http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM…
Just saw this article about the film prompting the blowout: he's a Coptic who created a jewish pseudonym to draw the heat off of himself. Not only was that a fraud, he's also been convicted of actual fraud. What do you all think?
9-14-12 EDIT:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/14/…
10-1512 EDIT:
Intel sources are now saying that there was no riot and it had nothing to do with the video. Based on the footage I saw, it seems the compound was attacked and the crowd was trying to pull people to safety, some maybe not. Anyone here know exactly what happened? I don't have the time to sort through this stuff that I used to...
What a fucking scumbag. I hope we deport his ass back to Egypt. See how he fares there.
Since when is America's military for anything but our defence FIRST, and everyone else as an afterthought? WTF? I remember my dad telling me that even though he fought in Vietnam, he'd break my leg if I ever tried to join the military because our troops were being misused....I finally understand what he's talking about.
lol this movie looks so bad, it might actually be good for laughs...
[quote=Febreeze]lol this movie looks so bad, it might actually be good for laughs...
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I thought that too, but good luck getting through more than five minutes of it. I read somewhere it cost $5 million to make. I would really like to see how that breaks down, because this guy pretty much filmed it in his garage on an iPhone.
$5 million?!?!
Jesus H. fuckin Christ
Wow. I vehemently oppose the Islamic response to this, but what did this guy have to gain? He realized these people were crazy, but he went through with it.
It would be like walking through Oakland, CA at 2am, dressed in a nice suit. Yeah, it is very likely you will be mugged or shot. The assailant is clearly in the wrong. But it is not exactly an unexpected outcome.
i haven't seen this movie yet, but it's already my favorite, right up there with the Godfather Part II. bless this man's Coptic soul, i hope he makes 5 more movies, each more offensive than the last.
the day we let a bunch of good-for-nothing savages on the other side of world stifle our freedom of speech is the day that i will not take pride in being an American. seriously, fuck those guys.
Yeah, freedom of speech, all that good stuff, but do you really think that's all that's going on with this 'artist'? I look at it this way: if it's fair game for a foreigner to manipulate our system into serving their goal, it's much more than fair for us to openly push our agenda. It's not like we started this.
So fuck the children or women too who get caught up some idiots crusade because some fucking jackass cannot fathom the society he lives in?
I'll be completely honest, there were so many names I couldn't keep track of the guy's identity (probably the point). While I agree that he's absolutely protected by the First Amendment, he's using the US as a medium to purvey jingoistic and anti-Islamic views, much in the same way our rich white dudes use other countries to hide their taxes--only his actions have proved to have fatal consequences. Excluding the four Americans who were killed by these savages, you bet your ass we'll take at least 50 of them just looking for the leader of this Al-Queda syndicate. If he weren't such a pussy, he wouldn't hide behind false identities and his ostensive Bill of Rights protections. I'd personally like to see this guy locked in a cell with Sandusky for a few years.
"Hide" behind the Bill of Rights? Are you fucking serious?
I disagree with what CaR said, so he should be imprisoned and maybe even raped.
Is that how this game works?!?
Regards
Okay, if you want to focus on syntax instead of the point I was trying to get across, that's fine. I said "hiding" behind the Bill of Rights because he quite obviously took advantage of American civil liberties and expression to purvey jingoistic views--views that resulted in four innocent Americans dead. I apologize for the poor phrasing of the statement [redact--no I don't], but feel nonetheless that he wouldn't have acted surreptitiously and fraudulantly had he not known what he was doing was completely unethical. If "use" the Bill of Rights or "enact" helps you understand, then sure, whatever you need. The First Amendment wasn't ratified to protect religious denigration. I agree with UFO that he took advantage of our system, though I'm damn proud to have a system capable of being taken advantage of than not. The rest is hyperbole.
So you're blaming a stupid movie maker for the deaths of these Americans, not the savages who killed them. Okay.
I guess you think Theo Van Gogh was asking for it too?
Why is a foreign national hiding behind our flag, instigating a negative response, and our troops drawing the fire? I think that's a problem. This IS NOT me making any comment on free speech. I'm making an argument that he should be investigated for running what amounts to an intel op from American soil. Should that be the case, deport him. They're using America as a sheild. Either we stop it, or we use them back. Not sure how this is confusing on any level.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/14/was-innocence-of-musli…
Why is a foreign national hiding behind our flag, instigating a negative response, and our troops drawing the fire? I think that's a problem. This IS NOT me making any comment on free speech. I'm making an argument that he should be investigated for running what amounts to an intel op from American soil. Should that be the case, deport him. They're using America as a sheild. Either we stop it, or we use them back. Not sure how this is confusing on any level.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/14/was-innocence-of-musli…]
Only sane guy on this thread. In complete agreement. I think its a case that people fail to view this objectively. People in these countries know no better. We call them animals, savages, etc because frankly they're acting like it.
What's everyone else's excuse?
Hey, those savages that your talking about are the trash of what's left of gaddafi's mobs, they were all caught arrested and will have the hammer of law smacked on to their heads, If you think straight and open wide you see that the confused civilians are pulling the ambassador away and to aid, if the public really wanted to do what your thinking of they would of cut him up and showed it to the world, but again, with your false imaginative accusations that your stupid fucking government and society has taught you, we have the right to murderer every single one of you, from the massacres you've made in iraq, and afganistan. But who am I talking to anyway another stuck up patriotically blind fool who think's he's a hero and is justice.
Why do you fucking hate us so much? what have we physically done to you? 9/11? that's fucking crap, even the black box in all planes happened to go missing from 2 planes that day and aparently the culprits are from saudi arabia, then why didn't you go fucking open war on saudi? why did you go to iraq? saddam? bleh shut up will you.
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None of the aforementioned people's actions resulted in deaths, and none of the aforementioned people attempted to conceal their identities--a blatant indication he knew what he was doing was unethical. I am clearly not serious about locking this guy up with Sandusky [see: hyperbole], and it truly boggles my mind you cretins manage to type full sentences without drooling on your keyboards. This guy is a piece of shit--all I'm saying. He holds nowhere near the amount of blame the Islamic radicals do--never even insinuated otherwise. If you don't see the connection between the film and reaction it caused, then keep watching South Park or whatever it is you do Turing.
So you hold Jyllands-Posten responsible for the hundreds of people that died in the aftermath of the Muhammad cartoon controversy? Because a bunch of third worlders decided to, well, act like animals?
You dumbs are so unpreftigious man.
In fact, in many countries including the UK, he would be a criminal.
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I would say Jyllands-Posten has the right to issue those cartoons (assuming Danish law is similar to ours), just as this guy has the right to make offensive movies and release them under false pretenses. I would also say they're both irresponsible. I'm not calling for an arrest or capital punishment or something here. I wasn't aware there were hundreds of deaths following jyllands-posten, but I think that only furthers my point that these people are assholes. To think one, two, or hundreds of deaths could be prevented by a bit of morality and foresight is a shame, whether or not it's lawful.
Also, if yall would please show me the part where I said the Coptic filmmaker was more responsible than the extremists, I'd appreciate it.
I think the question should be is why are we limiting our freedom because people threaten violence. This guy had every right to do what he did and the people who attacked and killed innocent people are 100% in the wrong. I don't like it when the losers on Reddit mock religion, but I don't storm houses and kill people.
The first step towards a developed and civilized nation is tolerance. Until the ME can consistently show this they will be nothing but pawns and oil pumpers.
With that said, this is yet another reason why we should leave the ME. No reason to be there. If any nation wants to try and play hostage with the worlds oil market we can simply bomb them from a far or shell them from sea. Boots on the ground is just a waste of time.
Yessah
What I'm getting at is this: group A and B have a longstanding fued. Someone from camp A comes here, inflames the situation with group B, and our troops take the bullet. What happens now?
Agree, he had every right but lets not absolve him of any blame. I dont think its a case of limiting freedom but more of having a broader perspective of what effect a decision I am about to make will have.
Yeah, I think the freedom of speech thing is moot.
If soldiers get shot they should take it up with the commander and chief. They are there to protect our Bill of Rights, not ask us to curtail them to protect them.
The more i'm hearing, the more convinced i am that this was a planned terrorist attack that used this "Innocence" movie as a distraction.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2202857/This-does-represent-Pro…
[quote=sayandarula]The more i'm hearing, the more convinced i am that this was a planned terrorist attack that used this "Innocence" movie as a distraction.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2202857/This-does-represent-Pro…] Very interesting, thanks for the article
[quote=sayandarula]The more i'm hearing, the more convinced i am that this was a planned terrorist attack that used this "Innocence" movie as a distraction.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2202857/This-does-represent-Pro…]
Daily Mail. The bastion of impartiality and the pinnacle of journalistic integrity. Thanks.
Again, great collection of interesting perspectives. Such unbiased opinions, wonderful to see. What I dont even get is why, although its fully their rights and freedom to do so, and for what purpose would you antagonize a bunch of people and a faith for absolute no reason? What did the South Park creators have to gain aside from notoriety and a few more viewers? Is that really worth unnecessary bloodshed? What did this jackass with the video have to gain? Is he going to be the next Scorsese? Safe to say he isnt. Granted, I absolutely agree with the perception that the people involved are animals and really dont represent the faith they're striving to protect, but these people are playing with people's lives. Some fucking moron on Fox the other day actually spouted shit that four Americans died and that means 400 Libyans/Egyptian/etc have to die. I mean, seriously?
Not justifying any action taken as its barbaric and the many who have died is a tragedy, but I dont understand why countries all over the world permit such idiots to populate our society and antagonize an unstable element of society? All for what? A few laughs? They say their peace and hide behind some cloud of freedom (which in all honestly, those involved are also utilizing). Why havent various countries adopted measures such as in the UK where dissemination of religious material denigrating a faith or way of life is illegal? Baffles me.
The lack of objectivity on this thread is disgusting. Its embarrassing so many educated, mature people have so much difficulty rationalizing and providing coherent, well thought out posts.
Really, people.
'Merica bitch!
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The unbalanced perception of people here makes me think you'd have much to discuss with this genius -
http://www.youtube.com/embed/BaZCaWH96xw
Haha, is that real?
Thanks for the shit. Interesting those that espoused such bullshit never came back to defend themselves.
Who are you even talking to?
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