Life outside of work in your 30s.

I guess this is a part of my quarter life crisis right now and I've always been the one to plan for the long term.

Now I know I am not the only 20 something on the board that feels this way so I guess I'll speak for some others on here.

So many members of this forum are going to work very hard in their 20s (and I am doing all I can to be a part of that crowd although I am playing catch up) yet it seems like society and media make it seem like this is also the last decade of our lives we can really have "fun".

Maybe it's because I never had the privilege living in a city like NYC to where I never come across any 30 somethings I would want to be like. So many I meet are jaded, bitter, and angry about life to where I kinda feel like it's all downhill after your 20s.

For those grinding in their 20s who might end up having slightly more down time in their 30s assuming they don't get married and have kids, I do wonder. How can life outside work look like in your 30s?

1 - Social life and friends? Seems like a lot of your fellow 30 somethings are going to be married and busy with their families, it seems to be the case that it is harder to make friends in your 30s or just after college in general as some claim. Seems like everyone pretty much had it in this regard so making friends gets tougher.

2 - Parties? After listening to media and hearing from society, it seems in your 30s, social life is supposed to be dinner parties that end at 10 PM or backyard BBQs where everyone complains about their jobs and life. Plus I hear that your body cannot handle alcohol as well anymore, hangovers are much worse, and past your 30s you end up being that "creepy" older guy if you go to clubs. Seems like everyone had it in this regard too and got it out of theirs system at 18-22 so you're an odd one out there.

So how is life outside of work in your 30s, especially if you decide not get married or start a family?

 
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Plenty of people in their 30s are happily living the single life, traveling the world, going to bars/clubs with an older clientele in mind... there is a whole world of happy 30-somethings living it up and loving it. Research actually shows people are happier in their 30s than in their 20s.

The question is, what do YOU want out of your own life? 30 is just around the corner for me, and I am bored of the partying / clubbing scene. I still do it, but I now go to a club once a month rather than every weekend when I was in my early 20s. And honestly, I am happier this way - there is so much more to life than the party lifestyle. Many of my older friends are lonely and sad deep down, since they spend their weeks without any meaningful relationships to treasure and looking forward to a few hours of drunken fun each Saturday night. Others have decided to spend time living in other countries, have found happiness in hobbies and other social groups, etc... the difference between the happy and the miserable comes down to whether or not they are being true to themselves.

If you live your life based on someone else's idea of happiness, you are guaranteed to be miserable. Figure out what is truly important to you, and chase that. If you need to get the party devil out of your system, then by all means go ahead and do it. Maybe you will love it all the way into your 40s, maybe you will get bored. The important thing is to not lose sight of what truly matters. Stick to your own values and forget society's expectations, and you will be happier for it.

 

100%. Firm believer that the party devil needs to be out of the system before you start the next chapter of your life. Very important. And being honest to yourself is crucial. I have several friends in their 40s who are still single, clubbing, and there's nothing wrong with that. And friends in their mid 20s who are in LT relationships they do not want to be in but are too scared to get out of. I am in my late 20s and will be doing the clubbing scene for several years yet for sure, because I love it and am not going to stop just because an arbitrary number has been reached. As someone else said, the recipe for disaster is living your life how you think others want to see you live it. Do what you think you want - imagine being 60 and looking back, and knowing inside that you didn't.

 

Looking back, all the hockey parents would get HAMMERED at tournaments and team get togethers - seemed to be a pretty fun time. I'm actually semi-looking forward to that . . .

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Fuck dude, I miss playing in those tournaments. One of my teammates' dad didn't even have a drivers licensee cause he would be drinking Bud Light 24/7. Then there was a Russian dad who was just insanely crazy. Finally, there was my dad who found a way to get thrown out of the rink every 1/10 game. Now, I have ex-teammates playing D1 puck and/or NHL draft picks while i'm slugging it out trying to break into investment banking. Not sure where I went wrong...

 

The problem I see here is that if some guy in his 30s does want to go that party animal route, how would he even go about finding a network to do that with when so many other 30 somethings are way past that stage in life? Plus no one really wants to go to the bars and clubs by themselves, just looks awkward that way.

Also, WHOA there on the monkey shit fellas, I am a small city kid who never had any 30 somethings to really look up to so I am just trying to get the experiences of others on here, no need to lose your shit over it (pun intended).

 

In my early 30s, been working for the last ten years. A few things that I would like to point out:

1) Career: I don't see any of my peers slowing down. Most of my IBD friends (I would say 90%) of them have move to either i) product management role in Silicon Valley or ii) corporate strategy/development role with their ex-IBD-clients. Probably 10% move up to VP/Director roles at IBD or PE. And I don't see people having less stress. On the contrary, the higher you move up, the more stress you will have. So work/life balance isn't there if you are still in the IBD/PE roles.

2) Entertainment: There are two types of people in this. One has the "I have less time so I am willing to spend a lot of money for quality time approach". These people go for expensive dinners, lavish shopping trips, and becoming sugar daddies sponsoring a lot of sugar babies. Then, the other extreme, is the type where they just save all the money in case they get fire from their current jobs. These people still do once a year vacation, have a hobby that don't cost that much (i.e. bodybuilding, running), involve in charities and NGOs (I am more like this type).

3) Family Time: I am still single and the reason that I moved back to Asia so that I can spend more time with my family like taking them for medical checkups, playing golf with my dad, mentoring my siblings, and driving my mom around for errands. I feel like this takes up a significant portion of my personal/down time.

4) Friends: Most of them are in serious relationship, married or already having babies (I would say 60% of the people). The rest 40% is still single: 20% of them are actively looking for a relationship, 20% of still hardcore partying. So my activities with friends depend on which group I am hanging out with. From that 60% of "attached friends", I would say 30% still have the "married but let's still have fun attitude". I end up spending most of my time with that 30% and the 20% of actively looking for relationship types.

Net Net. I think your 30s are still the same as your 20s. It all depends on how you plan it. But a few general observations that I can say that the differences between your 30s and 20s are: - your social (close) circle get way smaller as you don't take shit from people and start having a personality - you will earn a lot more and have more money saved - you will have a much better quality in term of dating pool - you will be given a lot more responsibility at work (which can be both good and bad) - you will spend more money on less items with better quality - you will develop more distinct personality traits (i.e. strong distastes for certain things) - you will probably have more patience with things in general (and more long term view)

 

great post, especially #1 and #2. I'm with you, to me i'd rather make enough money to live comfortably without killing myself from cortisol levels. The rat race never stops and with most people in IBD type jobs, the more you make the more you spend... can't leave those jobs or your lifestyle dramatically changes. Being that I don't want work to literally be my life.... I had to leave IB and go to CB.

 

I'm in my thirties now. I worked on a trading floor for a long time but now work in compliance. It's so slow but as a result it's given me a much better work/life balance and I actually get paid really well. I daresay I am less stressed these days. I can show up to work wearing whatever (no sneakers but you know what I mean). I get more sleep. I have time to run out to a spin class in the middle of the day if I structure my time well (which you get a lot better at in general the older you get).

People tell me that I've never looked better. Indeed, I haven't got those terrible bags under my eyes anymore. I'm working out so much more. My dating life is hot to trot. I had four guys wanting to take me out this past Sunday. Four! I never had that when I was working like crazy because I didn't have the time to go out and meet guys.

Dating in general is so much better because there's just more substance to the conversations. And the sleeping together part is better because you know your body and what you like and don't like and really aren't afraid to say it.

There's a pleasant shift that happens when you are in your thirties. You just feel more confident and comfortable in your skin and in your career. You know a bit more what's important to you. You because a bit bored with nightclubs. They are fun, sure, but you don't have this need to go out EVERY Saturday to a nightclub and you are totally content with going to the movies or dinner and enjoying someone's company.

But your body starts falling apart a bit. I can "feel" 31. Especially in the joints.

And yes, you will have more patience. This only comes from basically being torn apart in your early twenties career, but all of that builds you up so that the lows don't feel so low and you really appreciate the highs (which come more frequently).

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I'm 30 and married. I'm happy because I stopped listening to what other people told me I should do to be happy. I wish I could go back to when I was 22 and getting wasted at the one club in the college town I stuck around in with money I didn't have and puking outside of the Jack in the Box at 3 in the morning and tell my younger self to CUT IT OUT AND START DOING THINGS THAT I LIKED TO DO.

It turns out that personal interests are pretty fragmented. People don't come in nice tidy buckets like "club rat" and "crunchy granola climber" and "Gordon Gekko" and whatever other characters we see on TV. As I've gotten older, I've seen people gravitate to more complex groups of likes and dislikes, because, well, they don't need to adhere to what makes sense to someone else. I have a neighbor who looks like a handsome blonde quarterback right out of central casting, who drives a Mustang and listens to classical piano and doesn't like beer and works in IT. He does him, and I think that's more common as you get older.

The people who end up miserable are the ones who don't fit with the lifestyle they've chosen. The dads standing around the backyard getting shitfaced at a 5-year-old's birthday party because they wish they were single and clubbing are as miserable as I was at that club almost a decade ago, for the same reason. If you pick the things that make you happy, then regardless of what your married friends tell you, you'll find other people interested in those same things.

As far as alcohol tolerance goes-- mine cratered abruptly when I was about 26. I don't miss it. YMMV.

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I'm almost 30 (~5 months to go) and I've noticed some changes among my friend group and myself that I can share.

  1. As many of the posters above have mentioned, as people get older they really start to pursue what THEY want to do, not what they feel they "should" do. I have many friends who straight-up quit the "preftige" jobs that WSO loves to completely change careers. I just met a guy the other week who quit as a 5th year associate at a top NYC law firm to go into advertising. He's way happier now. One of my best friends left his trading job at a BB, went to a 3-month coding academy and now works for a startup in SF. Went from what was essentially depression to the best relationship he's been in. Another friend quit a prop job at GS and took over a year off to work on some of his side projects.

  2. The changes above also start to happen in people's personal lives. When we were 22-24, almost every weekend would involve pregaming at someone's apartment and going out to bars until 4 AM. Now, most of my friends are in long-term relationships (engaged, married, etc) and they really don't have much of an interest in that anymore. I'm single and I still enjoy partying, but I do that with my other single friends. With my married friends we tend to do what you listed above (dinner parties that end at 10) or other low-key events. After those events are over I will go out with the single guys. It's not better or worse, just different.

  3. All of the above varies with location. Being 30 and single in NYC is more the norm than an anomaly. As a game I look around the subway each morning to see how many of the women near my age have rings, and it's still a very low percentage. However, if you're in a small city in the South or Midwest you might find it to be more of a struggle.

 

"2. The changes above also start to happen in people's personal lives. When we were 22-24, almost every weekend would involve pregaming at someone's apartment and going out to bars until 4 AM. Now, most of my friends are in long-term relationships (engaged, married, etc) and they really don't have much of an interest in that anymore. I'm single and I still enjoy partying, but I do that with my other single friends. With my married friends we tend to do what you listed above (dinner parties that end at 10) or other low-key events. After those events are over I will go out with the single guys. It's not better or worse, just different."

So true. I feel like I've honestly matured a lot quicker than literally EVERY single one of my friends. I'm 25 but feel like I'm 35... and I love it.

 

How do the 30 something guys who still want to enjoy the partying phase of life even find a way to do it without being alone or being that one older guy at a college party?

I mean I understand, some people who didn't get the opportunity to enjoy it in college (you had to be in Greek Life, more or less, to enjoy it at my university) or even in their 20s might want to do so but I wonder how. So many others around your age are settling down and having kids or too mature for that sort of life. You can hang out with people in their 20s that enjoy that life but even that starts to feel somewhat weird.

I have nothing against guys that want to live life this way at all, not all of us were given laid back suburban parents that let us do whatever we wanted in high school and even college. All I am wondering is how these guys even make it work in their 30s when so much of American society is highly judgmental of men partying and drinking at that age compared to not caring at all if some fraternity brother does it in college.

 

Early 30s here. I find that I'm actually doing stuff now that I couldn't pull off in my 20s either due to inexperience, limited and precarious finances, fear, or ignorance.

I'm finally in shape-added some muscle and love the way I fit my clothes now. That confidence has carried over into other areas; for example, I just ended a 6-week fling w/ an exotic dancer (picked her up in VIP!). I never would have had the means or guts to pull that off in my 20s. I also travel quite a bit these days-comfortably with the occasional points upgrade-and am building quite a few solid relationships with internationals (who host me when they return home and vice versa). I even picked up surfing. My network has gotten a lot more interesting, as have my conversations and the kinds of activities in which I've been invited to participate. I'm making some great memories from these experiences and at least for me, 30s > 20s.

One drawback is that my core group of oldest friends is married, parenting, and/or in serious relationships. It makes you feel a little displaced (you can't help but compare yourself to your peers). That's been tough because I've no intention of ever getting married or having children, and women my age are all looking to settle down asap. That's presented some obstacles (hence the stripper), but has also made me appreciate my friends and their time more, even if it means attending a boring dinner party or kids' birthday.

I don't quite look my age yet but can't imagine becoming 40 and staying at hostels hitting on backpackers doing gap years, so I know my window is limited. I'm certain that before then I'll switch it up and pursue new interests, which is really the answer to your question. You should always be looking to try new/different things to prevent your life from getting stale, and while making friends will be tougher, making interesting acquaintances will be much, much easier assuming your social skills evolve as you age.

On the plus side, Once I do hit 40 I expect my friends will mostly be available again after going through their divorces. Mostly kidding there.

 

Oh the human problem w uncertainty. So many good answers here, but summarized w the following:

NYC is an adult playground, it's the biggest eclectic grouping of adult misfits. If you want to party until you're 50, you'll find a crowd. If you want to go to bible study, you'll find a crowd. Most importantly, who gives a fck?! Do what you want, people come and go through the years, you'll atttract what you project.

 
IvyLeagueVet:

Oh the human problem w uncertainty. So many good answers here, but summarized w the following:

NYC is an adult playground, it's the biggest eclectic grouping of adult misfits. If you want to party until you're 50, you'll find a crowd. If you want to go to bible study, you'll find a crowd. Most importantly, who gives a fck?! Do what you want, people come and go through the years, you'll atttract what you project.

I can't agree more with this, go to the Meatpacking District or Chelsea on any given night of the week and you will find people of various ages enjoying clubs, bars, lounges, restaurants, and God knows what else. At the end of the day it is your life, do what makes you happy and satisfies you.

 

A part of me thinks that is such a boring life though, just going out to bars and restaurants in your free time. I'm only 24, but I'd rather go fishing or hiking and eat a sub from down the street instead of going out in the city and spending $50 on a couple drinks and appetizer. Granted I'm not too much of city person.

 

Starting this thread, that was a worry for me, finding a crowd or social circle after 30 that wants to go out and have an amazing time, since I missed out on that in college, instead of the "adults" that think dinner parties that end at 9 PM are the norm. After reading the responses, seems like not all hope is lost. Looks like it is possible to find that sort of a crowd to hang out once you're past the age of 30.

I wonder sometimes, with the way things are and us being more laid back as a society, maybe when I am in my 30s it might be easier to find acquaintances around my age that want to enjoy their lives and have fun out in the city on the weekends rather than feeling really odd for not being the stable married guy or wanting to have fun out in the city with a group of people at the age of 30.

Looks like I will seriously have to consider moving to NYC.....

 
Postgradwonderer:

Starting this thread, that was a worry for me, finding a crowd or social circle after 30 that wants to go out and have an amazing time, since I missed out on that in college, instead of the "adults" that think dinner parties that end at 9 PM are the norm. After reading the responses, seems like not all hope is lost. Looks like it is possible to find that sort of a crowd to hang out once you're past the age of 30.

I wonder sometimes, with the way things are and us being more laid back as a society, maybe when I am in my 30s it might be easier to find acquaintances around my age that want to enjoy their lives and have fun out in the city on the weekends rather than feeling really odd for not being the stable married guy or wanting to have fun out in the city with a group of people at the age of 30.

Looks like I will seriously have to consider moving to NYC.....

people are older but everyone is different when they go through stages of life - i played sports in college and did all the crazy party stuff you are wanting to do now. in my 30s now i am more into doing a lot of the same things just with a bigger budget and also picked up new hobbies etc etc ... fun doesnt have an expiration date nor should you limit things to any age... i know 40 year old girls that are newly divorce and more fun than the girls i knew in college... just never know

 

A lot of very good advice in this thread. I particularly agree with the advice that you should start doing what YOU want to do and stop caring what society thinks. This has a profound impact on your happiness.

A few pieces of advice that I didn't see mentioned above:

I recommend that you don't try to predict your future happiness, particularly to the point where you're worried whether you'll have friends to party with 5-10 years from now. I've read a fair amount of psychology books, including those on happiness, and the research would suggest that people are actually generally pretty bad at predicting what will bring them happiness (outside of the obvious stuff). You may find that YOU actually don't want to party hard when you're in your 30s. I have a handful of highly successful friends that still like to go-hard, but I've also seen the wildest of folks tamed.

I graduated my MBA at 30 and moved cities to a place where I had a limited network, despite having grown up here. Most of my friends are married and have at least one kid. Believe it or not found that establishing a network of like-minded folks has been quite easy. It has always been my go-to, but I play a lot of recreational sports, usually up to four times a week. Frequently I play on the "open" teams, which ensures I meet about 10-20 new people every few months. Most of them wind up as nothing but a few have turned into some pretty solid friendships. It doesn't hurt if you have a foundation such as a passion for the sport that you met playing.

I'd argue that life can be a lot more enjoyable in your 30s than in your 20s, particularly if you are single. Work always has been and remains my priority, but I do have enough free time and predictability to pursue outside interests. I can play sports, travel anywhere for vacations or just weekends, eat wherever I'd like / take cooking lessons, etc. My living situation is also better as I can afford to live where I want. I even find that women approach me a lot more now then they ever did five years ago. There are a whole bunch of other reasons, but overall, there is a lot to look forward to in your 30s.

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I think that the majority of people (close to all) cannot live with partying throughout their lives but it has that allure to it for sure. The ones who luck out due to good circumstances (laid back and well off parents, growing up around other teens that love that lifestyle, and going to a party school yet also rushing a fraternity/sorority there) get it out of their system by the age of 20 to 21. Some might go hard at 22 but after that, it is done and something they never want to experience again.

For those who don't have those favorable circumstances growing up (pretty much everyone who isn't a middle class or wealthy kid growing up in the suburbs or major city), they end up wanting to experience it for just a little bit.

I kinda see it as something a lot of people could enjoy for a few months and at most a couple of years, then completely move on from. Definitely not something a person should ignore but then, as I said, wake up at 40 to still find that urge and somehow end up being that one creepy old dude at college parties.

 

OP I feel the struggle man. I'm black but I come from an entrepreneurial family that powered its way out of the hood. We moved to a white neighborhood (mostly old people) but the HS I went to was public and mostly black from the surrounding neighborhoods. I wasn't very true to myself because of HS politics and also coming from the hood, I just wasn't all that interested in the academic route. To have fun, I did some stupid shit that didn't end up panning out to well, for obvious reasons, and I burned some bridges. I'm not saying it's the same as ending up a 30 year old bachelor, but I think it's similar because I don't have a lot of HS friends to rely on now or even when I came home during college breaks. So, I never had much of a life at a point outside of college buddies. Anyways, I noticed that despite this, it didn't stop me from making new friends once you get over kicking yourself because of how things didn't go exactly the way you planned. While you are working post-undergrad, I'm sure you will find yourself in new places and have the chance to make new connections. You can build relationships with these connections because they're still folks who will enjoy a good time. No one is looking for you to bring your past into a new relationship anyway, so new friends will happily enjoy your company for what it is you have to offer. I'm suggesting that you don't look back and just focus on enjoying yourself now. Nothing will be lost in your thirties if you do that. As a matter of fact, when I went to college, some of the people I ended up meeting somehow came from the same school and town that I thought I screwed up so badly in. We all got along well and they barely even remembered anything from the past nor cared.

 

"You spend your 20s figuring out what you want to do and your 30s doing it."

Just turned 30 this year and loving every minute of it. My party days are long gone with the odd drunken night every now and again. I cut all the useless people out of my life and focus much more on meaningful relationships with colleagues and friends. I realised that spending 2k in a club on a Saturday night might be fun every week but it's a lot more fun to spend that 2k with people you actually care about and have fun with.

 

I am confused .. this was posted on 10/30/2016, but the best response is as of 10/20/2016 ... Halloween makes weird things happen

But, back on topic. The other day, NPR was talking about a new type of gonorrhea that "just wont go away" and is "thus far incurable"

I imaging this is the result of staying single throughout your 30s?

 

I'm 29, but...

  1. Only two of my friends are married with kids, and only three are even married at all, and I live in the South of all places. This isn't 1952. Plenty of 30 year olds are single or in solid relationships without the need to rush into things.

It's harder to make 50 new friends in a day like in undergrad, but it's not hard to make friends. If anything, the friends you make when you're older click easier because there's a good chance you like the same things - you're either in the same industry, from the same gym, like the same sports team, etc.

  1. "Dinner parties" happen, but the shift in social time, for me at least, is events where drinking happens but isn't the main thing. Instead of just getting shitfaced for no real reason 5 nights a week, you'll go to happy hour 1-2 times with colleagues, grab a bottle of wine or two over dinner with your girlfriend, and then tailgate or head to the beach with your buddies. Hangovers definitely get more intense, but you're also not drinking to black out anymore because it's embarrassing now...just like going to clubs is embarrassing now.

I was a varsity athlete in highschool and in greek life in college, so it's not like I "peaked late" or anything, but I can honestly say that life only continues to get better as you get older. My friends are closer, the amount of expendable income and the freedom that gives you only increases, and if you like your job you never really do anything you don't want to. My late 20's were pretty cool. Not upset about turning 30 next year at all.

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Postgradwonderer:
yet it seems like society and media make it seem like

you're a (social) media slave. no offense, but you're probably the type of person who finds articles from garbage aggregators such as Forbes on Facebook that post cringeworthy shit like "Here are the richest earners in their 30s - where do YOU stand?" inspirational. i hate to break it to you in such an aggressive way (no offense to you personally bro), but you have to wake the fuck up and you need a kick in the teeth. there's no advice that you're ready to comprehend until you liberate yourself. social media is designed to make you feel like the biggest, smelliest piece of shit on the planet. this is the first step that you have to understand, or any other "advice" is quasi-new age-inspirational garbage.

the modern society construct is rigged to the marrow to make you feel, on average, worthless. it's nothing personal directed at you, rather that media conglomerates don't want people to be happy overall, because happiness is liberating and free minded people don't consume media.

you can easily extrapolate this logic to other areas of society/life by asking yourself "who reaps the benefit from this (i.e. making me feel like shit/poor/uneducated/marginalised etc.)?". i think it's pretty fucking self-evident what's at play here. you can then go on to stop jerking off to banking/PE/your job as the holy grail of life itself and see it for what it is - a transaction between you and an employer so that you can get paid to do the stuff that makes YOU happy and free.

and to anyone out here who thinks that I'm delusional, open your fucking eyes and internalise that NOBODY except your family and partner genuinely has your best interests in mind. if you think otherwise, you're in as deep as OP.

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It was a really nice day at Copper Mountain today.

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Ive never much cared for the whole "the right age to do things" idea. If I want to "chase tail" til I'm 60, I will. If I want to "settle" at 23, I will. Just because most ppl do things at certain ages means absolutely nothing. Live your own life and see where it takes you, don't try to fulfill some bullshit societal norm.

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Ron Paul:
I think it's important to ask - How true is the theory that the balance of power shifts from bitches to bros as we age?

Very true, assuming we're not talking about promotions at work etc. Its blunt, but not outrageous for me to say that after a certain point, women age like milk left on the counter, while after a similar point, men age like antique desks. One is clearly better than the other. However, there is definitely a diminishing shift in that balance on the margin. I'm willing to bet there is fairly strong negative correlation between aging and the number of twenty year olds you pick up. If you're still killing it when you are a lot older, its probably not cause you're aging like an antique desk.

 
Ron Paul:
I think it's important to ask - How true is the theory that the balance of power shifts from bitches to bros as we age?

I think thats true; but its not important.

I think women (especially smart and attractive) have their pick earlier on, and this shifts to men (also smart and attractive, and perhaps financially stable) as time passes. It depends what you want when you 'settle down'. If you want real chemistry and a real relationship you dont need to be desirable to an entire demographic, just one person, the right person for you.

Personally I think it makes more sense to settle down when the right person comes into the picture - which may be within or outside the time when you technically have the 'power'. I wouldn't 'pass' on what I was looking for in a person just because I was 26; or settle down with the wrong person because time was 'running out'.

"Dont compromise yourself; you're all you've got" - Janis Joplin
 

Don't try to plan your life out like that. Don't force yourself to settle down now if you have to 'force yourself' to do so. Similarly, don't shut yourself off from settling down with a great person you meet just because she came a few years too soon.

 

All I know is I don't want to have kids after I'm 35. That way, I'll (hopefully) be around when they grow and get to know my grandkids

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Men in my family tend to settle down between 34-36 ish....I feel it coming but am in no rush. Genetically, people in my family age much slower than a lot of people, so we do stuff at 25 that a lot of people did in high school. Upside: if we dodge the cancer bug we live a long ass time.

Get busy living
 

There is not standard age. I know plenty of chicks at 30 who seriously don't want marriage either. Once you leave college / hs, the whole standardized progression of things becomes progressively less relevant with each passing year.

Something tells me I'm going to be that guy who goes to med school or something at the age of 65, or some other thing that people obsess about doing by 27 or OMG....28.

Welcome to real life.

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Yea I want to go to law school when I retire. Really just to fuck with people, legally. I'm going to be a troll in my retirement

"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." -IlliniProgrammer "Your grammar made me wish I'd been aborted." -happypantsmcgee
 
D M:
Yea I want to go to law school when I retire. Really just to fuck with people, legally. I'm going to be a troll in my retirement
Best post of the year, wish I had some SB's. I owe you.
Get busy living
 
UFOinsider:
D M:
Yea I want to go to law school when I retire. Really just to fuck with people, legally. I'm going to be a troll in my retirement
Best post of the year, wish I had some SB's. I owe you.

It's the little things, UFO

"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." -IlliniProgrammer "Your grammar made me wish I'd been aborted." -happypantsmcgee
 
huanleshalemei:
I actually found a married guy to be "the one", which turned out to be a waste of time.
Is your picture a butt hole?
If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford
 

I think time plays a huge role, but not in the way that many of you describe here. It's not about your age or his/her age. It's more so about what point in your life you're at. Who cares if you meet the perfect person, but your lives are going down different paths?

I have learned (through my experiences and through those of others) that just because you love someone doesn't mean you can be with them. The sad reality of the world.

Makes me wonder if the probabilities of it all are significantly lower then we are led to believe.

 

Unless STL is looking for tips on what to do, that's legit.

"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." -IlliniProgrammer "Your grammar made me wish I'd been aborted." -happypantsmcgee
 
blindthoht:
Age is just a number (your salary isn't)

I hate this. Age is really a guideline as well. Though it varies for everyone, for example, studies show that men who have children after 40 are more likely to have kids with mental disabilities.

I for one want to do everything to make sure my kids are healthy. I'm sure everyone else does, too, I'm just putting some perspective into the whole "age is just a number" line.

"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." -IlliniProgrammer "Your grammar made me wish I'd been aborted." -happypantsmcgee
 

after 30, the need to crush fresh ass on a weekly basis goes away. i was always afraid of not being able to keep up with my desires past the 30 mark but as it turns out, the desires have not kept up with me.

 

We have our whole lives to mess around and have fun.

Robert Clayton Dean: What is happening? Brill: I blew up the building. Robert Clayton Dean: Why? Brill: Because you made a phone call.
 

WSO has taught me a few things:

  1. Women are in two buckets: attractive and will screw you over, or stuck up finance bitches with ridiculous expectations who will screw you over
  2. Getting married is the worst decision a man could make
  3. College age kids apparently know everything about which BB's and their groups are the "top" ones
  4. Disregard the above 3

Many women are indeed uppity finance bitches, as proven by some of the posters on this site, and I have no doubt many of your ex-wives were very attractive and absolutely screwed you over. But I think it's indicative that some of you talk in ways such as women "aging like milk on the counter" showing a shift in power in romantic relationships. Why on earth would you be with a woman who you think of in that way? Given point #3 and the obsession many on WSO have about getting in the "best" group at the "best" bank, why aren't you shooting for the stars and choosing someone who is attractive, but also smart, considerate, and willing to build something with you, rather than clawing pieces of your success?

It makes me sad to think that some people think that fun ends after your 20's. Your whole life should be fun, and it's definitely part of my definition of success. If you're only enjoying 1/4 of your life, that's just really, really depressing. If you know marriage at any age will make you unhappy, don't do it. If you think getting married at 23 will make you the happiest clam on the beach, go for it.

I think that goes for banking as well. Obviously a number of people are in it to pay off student loans, but for the others who hate it but stay with it because they feel like they're walking away from something too lucrative, I think it deserves reexamination. Don't do something you aren't excited about getting up for in the morning, even if thousands of people would kill to be in your place. If your 20's are for anything, it's for discovering yourself and what kind of person you want to be....and a miserable monkey in any respect is probably not part of that vision.

 
anaismalcolm:
WSO has taught me a few things:
  1. Women are in two buckets: attractive and will screw you over, or stuck up finance bitches with ridiculous expectations who will screw you over
  2. Getting married is the worst decision a man could make
  3. College age kids apparently know everything about which BB's and their groups are the "top" ones
  4. Disregard the above 3sion.
^golden, couldn't have put in better in words ;)
Given point #3 and the obsession many on WSO have about getting in the "best" group at the "best" bank, why aren't you shooting for the stars and choosing someone who is attractive, but also smart, considerate, and willing to build something with you, rather than clawing pieces of your success?
this is a really good point, and can be said the same for the women in finance as well -- given our personalities to always strive for the best, its ironic how much we're willing to settle in a partner. for men - trading attractive women/women with money for crappy personalities. for women [no offense to bankerellas post] trading messy hookup with men that are great on paper vs. stable relationships with good guys that may be 'scrubs' based on their profession. not sure why we do that.
 

A friend of mine's dad had him when he was 30 and his sister when he was 47 (by accident). His only regret (he obviously loves his daughter) is that he won't be able to keep up with her and the technology, which is changing really rapidly - "scares the hell outta me"

"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." -IlliniProgrammer "Your grammar made me wish I'd been aborted." -happypantsmcgee
 

What's the perfect girl if it's not the perfect time?

  • Big Sean
The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee WSO is not your personal search function.
 

I would actually try not to use this industry as a standard or norm with dating, relationships, marriage. We have terrible work/personal life balance. Settling down would potentially slow down our careers, dating a normal girl would be difficult again due to the hours so usually the type of girls you will see are the ones that don't mind you working most of the time but make sure you treat them to high end restaurants and clubs aka gold diggers.

That aside from what, I noticed a lot of my college friends are married or getting married mid- late 20s seems pretty common from my sample.

 

Touche, good point, but I'd rather do it naturally. Call me a romantic... >:D

"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." -IlliniProgrammer "Your grammar made me wish I'd been aborted." -happypantsmcgee
 

If I do get married it will be on my own terms, not because everyone else is doing it. My main concern regarding marriage is that a woman can pretend to act one way for 'X' number of years while dating and then the second you put a ring on her finger she can turn into a total bitch and have the protection of the state.

I think you guys don't realize how insanely awful and twisted most women are. Before everyone gets all upset realize that I come from a stable home, parents still married, my mother is a god damned saint. She drives my dad fucking crazy at times but that's women for you. I am not scarred by a broken home or my mommy didn't love me syndrome. Times are a changin'. I've just been with enough women in my life (I'm lucky) to know that you need to watch your fucking back.

I've hooked up with many women who I later found out were dating someone, proceeded to marry them, and invited me to the wedding. This has happened three times. Its not like I knew about any of this, or wanted to do that, if I had known I would have never tried to send it in.

I have never met an older drunk man at a bar who once said "MARRIAGE IS THE SHIT, GO FOR IT!!!!!!" But on more occasions than I can count I've heard the opposite. Absolute strangers butting into my friends drunken conversations about this topic to tell us to seriously adjust our fucking priorities and think this shit through.

There is nothing more than I want in life than to have children. I worked my ass off in college and continue to do so with the idea that I want to provide my kids with a better life than I had. I want to teach my kids the rules of the game that I learned the hard way so they don't have to. I don't want the Bentley coupe and the Hamptons summer home so I can slay mad hoes son. I want to send my kids to the best schools and provide them with the opportunities to really find their place in this world and enjoy life in the process. As you all know, this ain't cheap and it's not getting any cheaper given the current economic climate and less than picture perfect outlook for America going forward.

American women, today at least, scare the shit out of me. I can get along with them in the work place or be friends with them socially or date / mess around with them. I cannot for the life of me feel comfortable with the idea of marriage. If you love someone, date them. If you want a house with a white picket fence and a women in your bed, buy the house with her. If you want kids, have sex. I realize that finding a decent woman to go along with you on these plans without proposing is rare but I can't find the value in signing a financial death sentence, I mean marriage license.

Take some time and youtube womens mid-day talk shows. Read a chick magazine. Look at the Kardashians or some other pile of filth that lots of women idolize. Look at how 90% of ads after 7 pm are aimed at womens insecurities. Buy his buy that, you're fat, you're old, get married or kill yourself. Women are constantly bombarded with the worst advice, told that they are ugly and not marriage material unless they drop serious cash on cosmetics etc.

It is safe to say that women are coached by Disney from a young age to marry a prince. They grow up watching MTV dating shows. Facebook is a constant reminder that their friends from high school are getting married before they are. Their mothers are angry with them because they aren't married yet. Society puts so much pressure on women to get married - and on top of it all their exists a clock in their vajay jay that sets off a series of signals and hormonal messages which scream GET MARRIED. This doesn't lead to sound decisions on why they should get married or to whom.

To be honest, I feel absolutely horrible about the plight of women having marriage forced down their throats from child hood. I mean their first toys are baby dolls. They're still a baby yet they are given toys that enforce the notion of motherhood. How fucked up is that? On the other hand it's not my problem! I am not going to piss away years of misery, half my assets and 1/3 of my earnings for life because some bitch couldn't make up her mind.

I'm just going to play it by ear.

Who am I kidding. I'll get married. I'll be following lock step behind you douche bags on our way to the altar. Post divorce we can all drive our 87 pintos to the local blue collar bar and piss and moan about how fucked our lives are and how great they once were.

First rounds on me assholes.

 
Cookies With Milken:
If I do get married it will be on my own terms, not because everyone else is doing it. My main concern regarding marriage is that a woman can pretend to act one way for 'X' number of years while dating and then the second you put a ring on her finger she can turn into a total bitch and have the protection of the state.

I think you guys don't realize how insanely awful and twisted most women are. Before everyone gets all upset realize that I come from a stable home, parents still married, my mother is a god damned saint. She drives my dad fucking crazy at times but that's women for you. I am not scarred by a broken home or my mommy didn't love me syndrome. Times are a changin'. I've just been with enough women in my life (I'm lucky) to know that you need to watch your fucking back.

I've hooked up with many women who I later found out were dating someone, proceeded to marry them, and invited me to the wedding. This has happened three times. Its not like I knew about any of this, or wanted to do that, if I had known I would have never tried to send it in.

I have never met an older drunk man at a bar who once said "MARRIAGE IS THE SHIT, GO FOR IT!!!!!!" But on more occasions than I can count I've heard the opposite. Absolute strangers butting into my friends drunken conversations about this topic to tell us to seriously adjust our fucking priorities and think this shit through.

There is nothing more than I want in life than to have children. I worked my ass off in college and continue to do so with the idea that I want to provide my kids with a better life than I had. I want to teach my kids the rules of the game that I learned the hard way so they don't have to. I don't want the Bentley coupe and the Hamptons summer home so I can slay mad hoes son. I want to send my kids to the best schools and provide them with the opportunities to really find their place in this world and enjoy life in the process. As you all know, this ain't cheap and it's not getting any cheaper given the current economic climate and less than picture perfect outlook for America going forward.

American women, today at least, scare the shit out of me. I can get along with them in the work place or be friends with them socially or date / mess around with them. I cannot for the life of me feel comfortable with the idea of marriage. If you love someone, date them. If you want a house with a white picket fence and a women in your bed, buy the house with her. If you want kids, have sex. I realize that finding a decent woman to go along with you on these plans without proposing is rare but I can't find the value in signing a financial death sentence, I mean marriage license.

Take some time and youtube womens mid-day talk shows. Read a chick magazine. Look at the Kardashians or some other pile of filth that lots of women idolize. Look at how 90% of ads after 7 pm are aimed at womens insecurities. Buy his buy that, you're fat, you're old, get married or kill yourself. Women are constantly bombarded with the worst advice, told that they are ugly and not marriage material unless they drop serious cash on cosmetics etc.

It is safe to say that women are coached by Disney from a young age to marry a prince. They grow up watching MTV dating shows. Facebook is a constant reminder that their friends from high school are getting married before they are. Their mothers are angry with them because they aren't married yet. Society puts so much pressure on women to get married - and on top of it all their exists a clock in their vajay jay that sets off a series of signals and hormonal messages which scream GET MARRIED. This doesn't lead to sound decisions on why they should get married or to whom.

To be honest, I feel absolutely horrible about the plight of women having marriage forced down their throats from child hood. I mean their first toys are baby dolls. They're still a baby yet they are given toys that enforce the notion of motherhood. How fucked up is that? On the other hand it's not my problem! I am not going to piss away years of misery, half my assets and 1/3 of my earnings for life because some bitch couldn't make up her mind.

I'm just going to play it by ear.

Who am I kidding. I'll get married. I'll be following lock step behind you douche bags on our way to the altar. Post divorce we can all drive our 87 pintos to the local blue collar bar and piss and moan about how fucked our lives are and how great they once were.

First rounds on me assholes.

We'd get along well. I come from the same background and I agree.

 
Cookies With Milken:
If I do get married it will be on my own terms, not because everyone else is doing it. My main concern regarding marriage is that a woman can pretend to act one way for 'X' number of years while dating and then the second you put a ring on her finger she can turn into a total bitch and have the protection of the state.

I think you guys don't realize how insanely awful and twisted most women are. Before everyone gets all upset realize that I come from a stable home, parents still married, my mother is a god damned saint. She drives my dad fucking crazy at times but that's women for you. I am not scarred by a broken home or my mommy didn't love me syndrome. Times are a changin'. I've just been with enough women in my life (I'm lucky) to know that you need to watch your fucking back.

I've hooked up with many women who I later found out were dating someone, proceeded to marry them, and invited me to the wedding. This has happened three times. Its not like I knew about any of this, or wanted to do that, if I had known I would have never tried to send it in.

I have never met an older drunk man at a bar who once said "MARRIAGE IS THE SHIT, GO FOR IT!!!!!!" But on more occasions than I can count I've heard the opposite. Absolute strangers butting into my friends drunken conversations about this topic to tell us to seriously adjust our fucking priorities and think this shit through.

There is nothing more than I want in life than to have children. I worked my ass off in college and continue to do so with the idea that I want to provide my kids with a better life than I had. I want to teach my kids the rules of the game that I learned the hard way so they don't have to. I don't want the Bentley coupe and the Hamptons summer home so I can slay mad hoes son. I want to send my kids to the best schools and provide them with the opportunities to really find their place in this world and enjoy life in the process. As you all know, this ain't cheap and it's not getting any cheaper given the current economic climate and less than picture perfect outlook for America going forward.

American women, today at least, scare the shit out of me. I can get along with them in the work place or be friends with them socially or date / mess around with them. I cannot for the life of me feel comfortable with the idea of marriage. If you love someone, date them. If you want a house with a white picket fence and a women in your bed, buy the house with her. If you want kids, have sex. I realize that finding a decent woman to go along with you on these plans without proposing is rare but I can't find the value in signing a financial death sentence, I mean marriage license.

Take some time and youtube womens mid-day talk shows. Read a chick magazine. Look at the Kardashians or some other pile of filth that lots of women idolize. Look at how 90% of ads after 7 pm are aimed at womens insecurities. Buy his buy that, you're fat, you're old, get married or kill yourself. Women are constantly bombarded with the worst advice, told that they are ugly and not marriage material unless they drop serious cash on cosmetics etc.

It is safe to say that women are coached by Disney from a young age to marry a prince. They grow up watching MTV dating shows. Facebook is a constant reminder that their friends from high school are getting married before they are. Their mothers are angry with them because they aren't married yet. Society puts so much pressure on women to get married - and on top of it all their exists a clock in their vajay jay that sets off a series of signals and hormonal messages which scream GET MARRIED. This doesn't lead to sound decisions on why they should get married or to whom.

To be honest, I feel absolutely horrible about the plight of women having marriage forced down their throats from child hood. I mean their first toys are baby dolls. They're still a baby yet they are given toys that enforce the notion of motherhood. How fucked up is that? On the other hand it's not my problem! I am not going to piss away years of misery, half my assets and 1/3 of my earnings for life because some bitch couldn't make up her mind.

I'm just going to play it by ear.

Who am I kidding. I'll get married. I'll be following lock step behind you douche bags on our way to the altar. Post divorce we can all drive our 87 pintos to the local blue collar bar and piss and moan about how fucked our lives are and how great they once were.

First rounds on me assholes.

Dude... yes

 
Cookies With Milken:
If I do get married it will be on my own terms, not because everyone else is doing it. My main concern regarding marriage is that a woman can pretend to act one way for 'X' number of years while dating and then the second you put a ring on her finger she can turn into a total bitch and have the protection of the state...

Exact same situation here with regard to the stable family. I think the twisted mindset of a woman these days has a lot to do with the culture she was brought up in. In college, one out of three or four of my female friends came from some kind of a unstable, broken home and when asked a similar observation was noted by my friends at other schools. You just can't predict what they'll do down the road and that's scary when you're thinking about marriage. I saw someone post in another thread that they'll find an innocent, well grounded, Southern girl and settle with that and I think that's as safe as you'll get, at least in the US.

" A recession is when other people lose their job, a depression is when you lose your job. "
 
Cookies With Milken:
If I do get married it will be on my own terms, not because everyone else is doing it. My main concern regarding marriage is that a woman can pretend to act one way for 'X' number of years while dating and then the second you put a ring on her finger she can turn into a total bitch and have the protection of the state.

I think you guys don't realize how insanely awful and twisted most women are. Before everyone gets all upset realize that I come from a stable home, parents still married, my mother is a god damned saint. She drives my dad fucking crazy at times but that's women for you. I am not scarred by a broken home or my mommy didn't love me syndrome. Times are a changin'. I've just been with enough women in my life (I'm lucky) to know that you need to watch your fucking back.

I've hooked up with many women who I later found out were dating someone, proceeded to marry them, and invited me to the wedding. This has happened three times. Its not like I knew about any of this, or wanted to do that, if I had known I would have never tried to send it in.

I have never met an older drunk man at a bar who once said "MARRIAGE IS THE SHIT, GO FOR IT!!!!!!" But on more occasions than I can count I've heard the opposite. Absolute strangers butting into my friends drunken conversations about this topic to tell us to seriously adjust our fucking priorities and think this shit through.

There is nothing more than I want in life than to have children. I worked my ass off in college and continue to do so with the idea that I want to provide my kids with a better life than I had. I want to teach my kids the rules of the game that I learned the hard way so they don't have to. I don't want the Bentley coupe and the Hamptons summer home so I can slay mad hoes son. I want to send my kids to the best schools and provide them with the opportunities to really find their place in this world and enjoy life in the process. As you all know, this ain't cheap and it's not getting any cheaper given the current economic climate and less than picture perfect outlook for America going forward.

American women, today at least, scare the shit out of me. I can get along with them in the work place or be friends with them socially or date / mess around with them. I cannot for the life of me feel comfortable with the idea of marriage. If you love someone, date them. If you want a house with a white picket fence and a women in your bed, buy the house with her. If you want kids, have sex. I realize that finding a decent woman to go along with you on these plans without proposing is rare but I can't find the value in signing a financial death sentence, I mean marriage license.

Take some time and youtube womens mid-day talk shows. Read a chick magazine. Look at the Kardashians or some other pile of filth that lots of women idolize. Look at how 90% of ads after 7 pm are aimed at womens insecurities. Buy his buy that, you're fat, you're old, get married or kill yourself. Women are constantly bombarded with the worst advice, told that they are ugly and not marriage material unless they drop serious cash on cosmetics etc.

It is safe to say that women are coached by Disney from a young age to marry a prince. They grow up watching MTV dating shows. Facebook is a constant reminder that their friends from high school are getting married before they are. Their mothers are angry with them because they aren't married yet. Society puts so much pressure on women to get married - and on top of it all their exists a clock in their vajay jay that sets off a series of signals and hormonal messages which scream GET MARRIED. This doesn't lead to sound decisions on why they should get married or to whom.

To be honest, I feel absolutely horrible about the plight of women having marriage forced down their throats from child hood. I mean their first toys are baby dolls. They're still a baby yet they are given toys that enforce the notion of motherhood. How fucked up is that? On the other hand it's not my problem! I am not going to piss away years of misery, half my assets and 1/3 of my earnings for life because some bitch couldn't make up her mind.

I'm just going to play it by ear.

Who am I kidding. I'll get married. I'll be following lock step behind you douche bags on our way to the altar. Post divorce we can all drive our 87 pintos to the local blue collar bar and piss and moan about how fucked our lives are and how great they once were.

First rounds on me assholes.

Truth.

 

PS: If you are worried about having kids with mental deficiencies, just freeze some of your seed when you are in your peak (25-30) and artificially inseminate as needed.

My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.
 

The reason you don't see any old grumpy guy at the bar professing how great marriage is... is because that guy wouldn't be alone at the bar on a weekday lmao

I hate victims who respect their executioners
 
BlackHat:
The reason you don't see any old grumpy guy at the bar professing how great marriage is... is because that guy wouldn't be alone at the bar on a weekday lmao
Bingo. I met a lot of these sad losers when I was a full time bartender. Do yourselves a favor and DON'T end up like them...
Get busy living
 

Women's life agenda in chronological order:

  1. Learn how to act like a lady. (ages 0 - 16)
  2. Find a man that will support her emotional, pysical, and social needs. (ages 16-30)
  3. Raise a family. (ages 20-40)
  4. Bitch about everything nonimporant (ages 30-120)
  5. Dwell on the past (ages 0-120)

Where you monkies want to join in on the fun is up to you. Personally, I will only marry a girl that has simliar interests as me: listining to metal music, experiencing new things, chilling for hours without being bored. That way we will always have our friendship to fall back on when shit hits the fan after marriage.

 

I guess I mean being in my early 20s, I'm selfish. I don't want to settle down with anyone and I want to focus on school/me/my career. If I date a guy i do so completely casually and it means nothing to me. it's just fun and games. I've always wondered did this is part of my personality or if it's something that will fade with age. Bankerella's post made me wonder if some people stay selfish/shallow or whatnot forever.

 
arguewithatree:
I guess I mean being in my early 20s, I'm selfish. I don't want to settle down with anyone and I want to focus on school/me/my career. If I date a guy i do so completely casually and it means nothing to me. it's just fun and games. I've always wondered did this is part of my personality or if it's something that will fade with age. Bankerella's post made me wonder if some people stay selfish/shallow or whatnot forever.
It usually changes for most people. For me it wasn't anything I sought, but I found the lady who I ended up marrying and that was what I wanted to do after I met her. Honestly, if it wasn't for meeting her, who the hell knows what I'd be doing. Also, Bankerella is not a real person, she's a persona. By her own admission, she was giving advice to young female analysts, not saying that she is currently living that and is 'off the market' herself right now.
 

The problem I'm seeing down the road is that I would have very specific criteria for who I want to marry. Absolute musts would be same religion and political views and high intelligence. That narrows down the field a lot right there. Then add similar views on money, careers, kids, etc. and it's not looking good. I would want to marry a woman who's very driven early in her career, makes a lot of money like me, then ideally could quit her job or work less to be more of a mom. Assuming she would even want to do that.

Someone mentioned earlier women who are from less than ideal backgrounds. These aren't the ones you need to worry about, they generally know a good thing when they see it and won't fuck you over. It's the upper middle class white hoes you need to watch out for. You all know who they are, the ones who have 2500 pictures on facebook, went to private (usually Catholic) schools all their lives, melt dad's credit card every weekend, try to keep the innocent girl image but gargle a baker's dozen of dicks every weekend in someone's basement after 6 shots of Smirnoff. Those are the ones who will hear the clock ticking the loudest because their moms have been grooming them for marriage and implanted the fairy tale Ken and Barbie image in their brains from birth, as their mothers did to them. These are the girls getting their MRS degrees, the future do-nothing trophy wives who will drive their X5's around their posh suburb all day, bitch to each other about stupid shit at Starbucks, and hate themselves because they wake up in the morning and look in the mirror and start to see the wrinkles starting to form. But they don't know how good they fucking have it, in a few years they will become insecure to the point that they will want to divorce their husbands.....you know how it works.

 
ChrisHansen:
The problem I'm seeing down the road is that I would have very specific criteria for who I want to marry. Absolute musts would be same religion and political views and high intelligence. That narrows down the field a lot right there. Then add similar views on money, careers, kids, etc. and it's not looking good. I would want to marry a woman who's very driven early in her career, makes a lot of money like me, then ideally could quit her job or work less to be more of a mom. Assuming she would even want to do that.

Someone mentioned earlier women who are from less than ideal backgrounds. These aren't the ones you need to worry about, they generally know a good thing when they see it and won't fuck you over. It's the upper middle class white hoes you need to watch out for. You all know who they are, the ones who have 2500 pictures on facebook, went to private (usually Catholic) schools all their lives, melt dad's credit card every weekend, try to keep the innocent girl image but gargle a baker's dozen of dicks every weekend in someone's basement after 6 shots of Smirnoff. Those are the ones who will hear the clock ticking the loudest because their moms have been grooming them for marriage and implanted the fairy tale Ken and Barbie image in their brains from birth, as their mothers did to them. These are the girls getting their MRS degrees, the future do-nothing trophy wives who will drive their X5's around their posh suburb all day, bitch to each other about stupid shit at Starbucks, and hate themselves because they wake up in the morning and look in the mirror and start to see the wrinkles starting to form. But they don't know how good they fucking have it, in a few years they will become insecure to the point that they will want to divorce their husbands.....you know how it works.

trooth

 
ChrisHansen:
The problem I'm seeing down the road is that I would have very specific criteria for who I want to marry. Absolute musts would be same religion and political views and high intelligence. That narrows down the field a lot right there. Then add similar views on money, careers, kids, etc. and it's not looking good. I would want to marry a woman who's very driven early in her career, makes a lot of money like me, then ideally could quit her job or work less to be more of a mom. Assuming she would even want to do that.

Someone mentioned earlier women who are from less than ideal backgrounds. These aren't the ones you need to worry about, they generally know a good thing when they see it and won't fuck you over. It's the upper middle class white hoes you need to watch out for. You all know who they are, the ones who have 2500 pictures on facebook, went to private (usually Catholic) schools all their lives, melt dad's credit card every weekend, try to keep the innocent girl image but gargle a baker's dozen of dicks every weekend in someone's basement after 6 shots of Smirnoff. Those are the ones who will hear the clock ticking the loudest because their moms have been grooming them for marriage and implanted the fairy tale Ken and Barbie image in their brains from birth, as their mothers did to them. These are the girls getting their MRS degrees, the future do-nothing trophy wives who will drive their X5's around their posh suburb all day, bitch to each other about stupid shit at Starbucks, and hate themselves because they wake up in the morning and look in the mirror and start to see the wrinkles starting to form. But they don't know how good they fucking have it, in a few years they will become insecure to the point that they will want to divorce their husbands.....you know how it works.

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