Worth it to lift as an analyst?
obviously cardio/anaerobic stuff is good to keep you from getting fat, but is it worth it to lift or attempt to build muscle as an analyst? since you don't sleep much as an analyst, doesn't it make it really hard to put on muscle and maybe even hurt you if you lift without sleeping?
Lifting without adequate sleep = FAIL. Most guys recommend lighter exercises like cardio, jogging over the weekends and (probably) yoga. (won't do yoga myself tho)
it cant hurt...if you can find the time to fit in a (4) day routine about an hour each. You wont put on a ton of mass but with the right set of supplements can at least be lean and strong plus have the extra energy to deal with the long hours and stress.
depending on your individual body type, chances are that weightlifitng will actually hurt you if you try to do a regular split because you simply wont get any recovery time on banking hours and you will find after a short while you will start getting sick very easily.
This obviously depends on the individual and how much recovery your body actually needs as well as how hard you lift. I have a pretty heavy routine and if I go a stretch of days with 5 hours sleep and try to stick to my regular split I start feeling the effects very quickly.
I'd disagree about the cardio bit, with the exception of HIIT and vigorous swimming. Just jogging on a treadmill will eat up tons of time and not do much. Cardio does immediately burn calories, and has a slight effect the day after, but lifting has a much greater residual effect. Also, lean muscle mass increases BMR.
Lifting, on the other hand, will at least preserve muscle mass. If you can eat reasonably healthily, you should be able to stay lean. If you haven't done weight training before, you might even see a slight body fat recomp over the first few months.
This.
Personally I lift 3x a week during lunch and once on the weekend. I also play football every weekend Im not working, which is nice to have some cardio in every once in a while.
But again it all depends on your body type. Another analyst I work with runs 4x a week during lunch, and runs half marathons at least once a month. He looks like a runner, I look like a football player.
its a better idea to lift and eat right rather than jog or do cardio for hours on end.
chances are if your lifting at least your body will recognize the need to "keep on some muscle", if your running and/or doing some other type of cardio and not lifting, your body will catabolize your muscle tissue first (if your diet is something like the classical american diet) and you're fat will remain (thats why you see so many skinny fat girls who crash diet, duh)
And whoever said lifting as an analyst is fail is completely wrong. If your diet is in check, you shouldn't have any issues. Obviously if you dont get enough sleep, you won't be able to gain muscle mass as easily, but that doesn't mean you'll break it down. If your doing a 4 day/week split and eating the right amount of kcals, you shouldnt have any issues.
I'm currently cutting on a keto diet, working as an analyst-intern and I've not only lost body fat but i've preserved my lifts and gone up in a few lifts, so its possible.
Good luck
i can't take this seriously. only fatfucks go on keto diets -- not an optimal diet for building long-term lean muscle mass. carbs and subsequent insulin spikes are essential in protein synthesis and the severe restriction of carbs needed to get to ketosis is counterintuitive.
I don't ever really like to call people names, but your an absolute idiot.
Google Sciviation CHA Diet, the Cut Diet, Anabolic Diet, CKD, and you will be proven wrong (with science to back them up). Some people function 100% better on higher fat and lower carb diets, especially those who are extremely sensitive to carbohydrates. And BTW i'm measuring in at around 9-10% BF (3 pt caliper test depending on the time of the day), so that goes against your "only fatfucks on keto diet".
Excessive Insulin spikes lead to one thing: fat gain. If you want to clean bulk the right way, its going to be a slow and painful process. Some people have the metabolic ability to clean bulk on a high carb diet, but not everyone.
And anyway, if you had the ability to read correctly, i'm cutting, not bulking, Strong reading comprehension skills.
Lighter workouts, don't go for burnouts. Also, yoga has for thousands of years been for men: it is designed for the male body. Just like pilates, it's also a LOT harder than it looks once you get past 'beginner'.
I second yoga. Former college athlete. It will de-stress you, de-booze you, and heal your atrophied banking posture.
Vinyasa yoga on weekdays, a longer Bikram class on the weekends.
Throw in 2x weekly high intensity lifting workouts.
Eat right.
repeat
you could just do a 1hr lift during lunch and eat at your desk....
If you work out hard and with the intensity needed to build muscle then you most definitely will get sick if you are lacking sleep, it'll eventually weaken your immune system. Eating a perfect diet will counteract the effect at first, but not forever.
You could take a special something that makes all the above go out the window though : )
I can't go without it personally. Through HS and College I competed in oly weightlifting so I just continue lifting now. Of course my numbers have gone down a bit and I've gained an extra 10 lbs ( the appetite is till there but the energy expenditure isn't) but it still keeps me sane.
I keep it simple now and it usually takes under an hour all in all.
Hang clean/snatch, clean pulls/ snatch pulls, front squat /back squats, bench press, dumbbell/ pendlay rows, push press/ jerks.
4 or 5 times a week usually and pick from the hang/pulls/ or squat and tack on the pressing/rows/ or bench depending how I feel.
I was able to put in a lot more volume and energy in HS and college but an oly lifting routine actually lends itself to those strapped for time.
The lack of sleep sucks but I sneak in naps whenever I can.
This makes me wonder: is there any etiquette for doing pushups/pullups/situps in an office setting? During the day obviously not, but at 11PM does anyone care?
Also, having to walk EVERYWHERE in the city has reduced my need for cardio, so that's a plus.
There is no evidence stating that keto diets are a problem to long-term health.
Humans as a species originated eating a high fat/high protein diet, only later in our history were grains added.
You don't need carbs to function, once your body adapts to using fat.
However, regular carb-ups are required to keep hormone levels in check.
And for those who are super insulin sensitive, yes carbs are the enemy. Try cutting on an all carbohydrate diet, see what happens.
Whenyou’re utilizing carbs as your main source of energy, the body will take muscle protein, break it down and form glucose from it to burn for energy, once immediate energy stores are exhausted. This is where catabolic activity (muscle breakdown) takes place. On a high-fat diet, the ketosis avoids this.
"Research has shown that the ketone bodies burned for energy in the Anabolic Diet, D-betahydroxybuterate and acetoacetate, actually decrease protein catabolism." (Gorski J. Muscle triglyceride metabolism during exercise [Review]. Can J Phys Pharm 1992; 70(1):123-31.)
Let me know how it works out for you after a few months of not any carbs.
Also, if you are so sensitive to insulin that what I said above about low glycemic carbs is still an issue, than perhaps you do need a more specialized diet.
Getting back to the point of this thread.......if you are sleeping an average of 5hrs a night because of your work schedule AND cut all carbs out of your diet, then there is no way in hell you will have the energy to work out and if you do.........I guarantee you will get sick.
It's hard to bulk up or build mass when you're working because work completely fucks with your metabolism.
I did fast, 45-minute workouts mostly just cardio and just do reps instead of maxing out.
I did a consulting internship where I was working ~9 hours/day (so not even close to IBD hours) and did 1:30 in the gym 6x/week. Usually 15 minute cardio warmup 10 minute cardio cooldown, most of my time was standard athletic training (squats, cleans, deadlifts, bench, variated muscle groups in three-day rotations with one day off in between). That lasted two months, I was really sore all the time 'cause I was getting up at 6:30 AM to commute. Plus I was staying up 'till 1AM at least every night due to generally bad sleeping habits I picked up in college, so muscle growth wasn't really happening.
The third month all I did was cardio and lifting with freeweights, still felt pretty healthy while completely eliminating soreness. I think that could be the way to go. Plus I'm assuming IB analysts simply don't have an hour and a half of free time every day to spend in the gym, but I guess I'll find that out this summer. Since I'm living pretty close to work and my building has a small gym, I'm going to try and hit the treadmill/machines a bit in the mornings before I head into the office, probably no more than 45 minutes.
This guy is doing pretty damn well by eliminating carbs and eating paleo: http://www.arthurdevany.com/
Fun fact: Taleb isn't fat anymore because of de Vany's advice.
Agreed, Paleo is fine. The strict keto diet (sub-30g carbs per day, no carb ups) is not necessarily natural, and I do not think the body performs optimally on it. Even in pre-history, man still ate vegetables (carbs).
Some level of carb intake is needed to replenish glycogen stores. You can adapt to a keto diet, but I remain unconvinced it provides material performance benefits. As for claims that keto promotes fat loss, it is only partially true: keto suppresses insulin, which facilitates the movement of fat reserves. However, a low GI diet incorporating carbs will have the same effect while providing glycogen.
CKD is great, as is a strict "slow carb diet". When I say slow carb, I mean it; no whole grain pasta, brown rice, etc. They are only slightly better than their white counterparts. Really provides consistent energy, fuels good workouts, and provides adequate protein for muscle repair.
Even for Paleo, I would stay away from fruit. Fructose is just terrible for you. The prevalence of HFCS is a huge contributor to the obesity epidemic, imo; it's not the fries with your meal, but the soda.
Eat healthy with 2 brotein shakes after your lift and before bed, 3-4 x a week- 45 minute multi-bodypart lifts actually works..Won't see much gains but can still look/feel in decent shape. Best you can expect as an analyst..
I haven't worked full time yet, but this summer, I hit the gym everyday (2 days were yoga/stretch days) usually in the mornings before work in the beginning and as the summer progressed, went during dinner time if I wasn't swamped.
In terms of diet, all these diets are complete bullshit. I stayed away from alcohol as much as possible and instead of seamless, used the money to buy groceries. Fruits, veggies, whole grains, good fats and lots of protein, and 2 different kinds of shakes, that's really the formula to health. If you want to gain weight, eat more calories than you want to burn - that simple. And I was in the best shape in my group and plan to stay that way for the next two years.
Lifting During Internship (Originally Posted: 05/28/2014)
So I'll be working at a BB this summer doing an S&T internship...
I'd say I'm pretty into lifting, and currently lift heavy 3 or 4x a week. I also do some cardio as I'm trying to cut down a bit.
I imagine it'll be pretty hard to keep my normal routine throughout the summer, as I either won't have time or will be too tired during the weekdays.
I was planning on lifting twice on the weekends (Saturday and Sunday), with some light bodyweight work and cardio during the weekdays. From others' experiences, do you think this is feasible, and will I be able to at least maintain my strength and body?
I worked out 3-4x a week during my IB SA internship - you'll have more than enough time if you prioritise. I did it before work (most days I was able to be in bed by 130 am, and woke up at 630 - had a gym in my building which made it easy) and still worked 80-100 hours a week, and I'm not the only one. In S&T, you'll probably have to go after work rather than before, but you should have no problem keeping up your current regimen if you put in some effort.
in S&T you should be able to still lift 3-4x a week
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