2/18/13

I know this topic is not related to admissions so my apologies in advance if it's not in the right forum.

I am currently in a relationship with a great girl; we've been dating for about 2 years, and even though marriage is not something that's on my mind yet, i could definitely see myself marrying this girl. She applied to business schools during round 1, and I did applications for round 2, for mba as well as mfin. She was lucky enough to get into her first choice and already sent in her deposit, so there's no ambiguity on where she will end up this fall. On my end though, i'm interviewing, and if i don't get into that school i will have to go elsewhere. I also applied to a few european mfin programs, so depending on my options it could become a real long-distance thing.

Question and concerns. From what I have heard from different people, conventional wisdom seems to be that if you and your significant other are going to be in different schools, it's simply not going to work out. I think there's a term called "black friday" or "black october?" To what extent is this true? I would love to hear serious responses from people who may have been in similar situations.

Thanks a lot.

Comments (84)

2/17/13

Depends on the strength of your relationship, trust in each other, communication etc. In general though it's always going to be a lot harder to maintain one where you barely ever see each other. You need to ask yourselves the following:

  • Do you trust each other to go out partying with the opposite sex with no "chaperone" (for want of a better word)?
  • Are you both willing to spend the time and money to fly out to see each other?
  • Can you both cope with just speaking on the phone for a few weeks / months at a time?
  • Can you feasibly see yourselves living together / close by again after business school or is this going to be long-term long-distance?
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2/17/13

just take a break for business school and if you guys both want to end up together after it will happen. Think of it as your last 2 years of freedom for the rest of your life and enjoy.

relationships can last, but the ones that are long distance in b school, they are few and far between....i saw several MARRIAGES crumble in b school. You are back in a fun / college atmosphere, so not having your significant other there to enjoy that with you is very tough.

it most definitely wont last if you are already worried about Black friday...i think you should also ask yourself why you think she is so willing to move away from you...has she encouraged you to apply to programs in the area or been more open to you being away?

If it's the latter I'd save yourself a lot of pain and anguish and have a mature conversation now about the future. so many people just roll through lives and stay in relationships because it's comfortable...not a good reason to be with someone. And you sound too young to get married, so at least you have your head straight there....

Best of Luck man!

2/17/13

WallStreetOasis.com:
just take a break for business school and if you guys both want to end up together after it will happen. Think of it as your last 2 years of freedom for the rest of your life and enjoy.

relationships can last, but the ones that are long distance in b school, they are few and far between....i saw several MARRIAGES crumble in b school. You are back in a fun / college atmosphere, so not having your significant other there to enjoy that with you is very tough.

it most definitely wont last if you are already worried about Black friday...i think you should also ask yourself why you think she is so willing to move away from you...has she encouraged you to apply to programs in the area or been more open to you being away?

If it's the latter I'd save yourself a lot of pain and anguish and have a mature conversation now about the future. so many people just roll through lives and stay in relationships because it's comfortable...not a good reason to be with someone. And you sound too young to get married, so at least you have your head straight there....

Best of Luck man!

Thanks for this rather sobering and realistic assessment. Holy cow. You actually saw marriages crumble in b-schools?

Well, my gf is going to her first choice school, and she's obviously not going to alter that because of me, nor do i want her to. Ideally i will get in as well, and none of this would be an issue, but this has been burning in my brain lately.

I'm not going to lie; I'm definitely insecure about black friday. My feelings for her are a bit more intense than vice versa, but more to the point, I do worry that if we end up at different schools she's going to meet someone who's more successful than me and do a "trade-up". I know it's insecurity speaking here, but I would be lying if I said otherwise. Either way, I think we will need to have a serious conversation about this once I find out my results.

2/17/13

WallStreetOasis.com:

it most definitely wont last if you are already worried about Black friday...i think you should also ask yourself why you think she is so willing to move away from you...has she encouraged you to apply to programs in the area or been more open to you being away?

If it's the latter I'd save yourself a lot of pain and anguish and have a mature conversation now about the future. so many people just roll through lives and stay in relationships because it's comfortable...not a good reason to be with someone.


this. If you guys were really going to be married, you'd figure out a better arrangement. It's already done in my book...rip the band aid off and get it over with. 2 years is too long to be with someone who you're not sure about.
2/18/13

SirTradesaLot:
WallStreetOasis.com:

it most definitely wont last if you are already worried about Black friday...i think you should also ask yourself why you think she is so willing to move away from you...has she encouraged you to apply to programs in the area or been more open to you being away?

If it's the latter I'd save yourself a lot of pain and anguish and have a mature conversation now about the future. so many people just roll through lives and stay in relationships because it's comfortable...not a good reason to be with someone.


this. If you guys were really going to be married, you'd figure out a better arrangement. It's already done in my book...rip the band aid off and get it over with. 2 years is too long to be with someone who you're not sure about.

Real talk.

2/17/13

I have seen several girls trading down to a lower school to come with bf/husband. With exactly similar (or even slightly lower) profile, a female will always get in at better schools than male. Making the compromise is where the rubber hits the road (e.g. lets say both of you are career oriented, who will be the one giving up first to raise the kids. You need one to stay at home in most cases). But yeah, have seen breakups, including engagements haha.

2/17/13

This thread will be a good way to see what screen name Brady's using these days

2/17/13

FrankD'anconia:
This thread will be a good way to see what screen name Brady's using these days

What if Brady is really SirTradeAlot? the greatest plot twist in WSO history.
2/18/13

packmate:
FrankD'anconia:
This thread will be a good way to see what screen name Brady's using these days

What if Brady is really SirTradeAlot? the greatest plot twist in WSO history.

That would be awesome. Like rabbits!

After rereading what is undoubtedly the most entertaining thread in WSO history, it would be especially awesome if it was true.
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/e-mail-from-...

There are tons of highlights in this thread, but my favorite is the one between Brady4MVP and one of his known aliases 'derivatives'.

2/18/13

SirTradesaLot:
packmate:
FrankD'anconia:
This thread will be a good way to see what screen name Brady's using these days

What if Brady is really SirTradeAlot? the greatest plot twist in WSO history.

That would be awesome. Like rabbits!

After rereading what is undoubtedly the most entertaining thread in WSO history, it would be especially awesome if it was true.
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/e-mail-from-...

There are tons of highlights in this thread, but my favorite is the one between Brady4MVP and one of his known aliases 'derivatives'.

Just finished rereading this, epic on so many levels...certainly the best thread on here

2/18/13

Amphipathic:
SirTradesaLot:
packmate:
FrankD'anconia:
This thread will be a good way to see what screen name Brady's using these days

What if Brady is really SirTradeAlot? the greatest plot twist in WSO history.

That would be awesome. Like rabbits!

After rereading what is undoubtedly the most entertaining thread in WSO history, it would be especially awesome if it was true.
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/e-mail-from-...

There are tons of highlights in this thread, but my favorite is the one between Brady4MVP and one of his known aliases 'derivatives'.

Just finished rereading this, epic on so many levels...certainly the best thread on here


Ditto; great read. Thanks for bringing that back up!
2/18/13

The fact that your GF didn't even discuss the matter of B-school with you kind of shows that you seem to care more about your relationship then she does. You just mentioned she wouldn't have altered her school choice because of you. Being in a relationship is about making sacrifices on both ends and if she was not willing to do it, then it goes to show she may not be the type of person you would want to spend your life with. Think about this. She may be a great person and you may have a lot in common, but there is more to it then that.

2/18/13

TeddyTheBear:
The fact that your GF didn't even discuss the matter of B-school with you kind of shows that you seem to care more about your relationship then she does. You just mentioned she wouldn't have altered her school choice because of you. Being in a relationship is about making sacrifices on both ends and if she was not willing to do it, then it goes to show she may not be the type of person you would want to spend your life with. Think about this. She may be a great person and you may have a lot in common, but there is more to it then that.

These are fair points.

1. I think the reason it didn't come up is because there is so much uncertainty since I do not have official admission results yet. I guess both she and I feel that we should address it once I know for a fact where I will be attending. As a side note, I was unable to apply round 1 due to some personal issues, and although she was willing to wait until round 2 for my sake, I told her to go ahead and get it over with since she was ready to apply then.

2. I agree that relationships entail sacrifices. But we're not married or engaged, and the type of sacrifice I would be asking her to make (assuming i don't get into that school) is simply too much and unfair to her professional ambitions. She worked hard to get in, so that is simply not an option.

2/18/13

mbavsmfin:
TeddyTheBear:
The fact that your GF didn't even discuss the matter of B-school with you kind of shows that you seem to care more about your relationship then she does. You just mentioned she wouldn't have altered her school choice because of you. Being in a relationship is about making sacrifices on both ends and if she was not willing to do it, then it goes to show she may not be the type of person you would want to spend your life with. Think about this. She may be a great person and you may have a lot in common, but there is more to it then that.

These are fair points.

1. I think the reason it didn't come up is because there is so much uncertainty since I do not have official admission results yet. I guess both she and I feel that we should address it once I know for a fact where I will be attending. As a side note, I was unable to apply round 1 due to some personal issues, and although she was willing to wait until round 2 for my sake, I told her to go ahead and get it over with since she was ready to apply then.

2. I agree that relationships entail sacrifices. But we're not married or engaged, and the type of sacrifice I would be asking her to make (assuming i don't get into that school) is simply too much and unfair to her professional ambitions. She worked hard to get in, so that is simply not an option.

Normally, I would agree with you, but you did say this "and even though marriage is not something that's on my mind yet, i could definitely see myself marrying this girl."

I would take a step back and reassess your situation. The fact that you are also scared she will meet someone else and fall in love while in school just shows she is not the type of girl you would want. Do you really plan on being with someone who can't trust to be loyal to you? You need to answer this on your own.

2/18/13

TeddyTheBear:
mbavsmfin:
TeddyTheBear:
The fact that your GF didn't even discuss the matter of B-school with you kind of shows that you seem to care more about your relationship then she does. You just mentioned she wouldn't have altered her school choice because of you. Being in a relationship is about making sacrifices on both ends and if she was not willing to do it, then it goes to show she may not be the type of person you would want to spend your life with. Think about this. She may be a great person and you may have a lot in common, but there is more to it then that.

These are fair points.

1. I think the reason it didn't come up is because there is so much uncertainty since I do not have official admission results yet. I guess both she and I feel that we should address it once I know for a fact where I will be attending. As a side note, I was unable to apply round 1 due to some personal issues, and although she was willing to wait until round 2 for my sake, I told her to go ahead and get it over with since she was ready to apply then.

2. I agree that relationships entail sacrifices. But we're not married or engaged, and the type of sacrifice I would be asking her to make (assuming i don't get into that school) is simply too much and unfair to her professional ambitions. She worked hard to get in, so that is simply not an option.

Normally, I would agree with you, but you did say this "and even though marriage is not something that's on my mind yet, i could definitely see myself marrying this girl."

I would take a step back and reassess your situation. The fact that you are also scared she will meet someone else and fall in love while in school just shows she is not the type of girl you would want. Do you really plan on being with someone who can't trust to be loyal to you? You need to answer this on your own.

I think my fear is natural. As the poster above me said, he has seen marriages crumble in business schools, and a lot of relationships in general do fall apart due to distance and other issues. I'm sure those couples thought they could handle it by saying something like "ok honey, i'll come up to visit you twice a month, and we'll talk on the phone as often as possible. i love you, and we will make it work." On paper, such loyalty and devotion are touching, but in reality they may simply not be enough.

Look at it this way. In business school you are surrounded almost 24/7 by your classmates, especially those in your section. Classes, group projects, networking events, clubs, career treks, travels, social events, etc. Such an environment means that the odds of you cheating on your significant other becomes a lot greater due to constant exposure to a group of people. This is basic human psychology and social dynamics. Although I don't think I would cheat on my GF, I cannot say that it would never happen. Stronger men than me have fallen to temptation. And I'm sure she would be tempted too given the right circumstance. It's sad, but it's just the way we humans are.

2/18/13

mbavsmfin][quote=TeddyTheBear][quote=mbavsmfin:
TeddyTheBear:
The fact that your GF didn't even discuss the matter of B-school with you kind of shows that you seem to care more about your relationship then she does. You just mentioned she wouldn't have altered her school choice because of you. Being in a relationship is about making sacrifices on both ends and if she was not willing to do it, then it goes to show she may not be the type of person you would want to spend your life with. Think about this. She may be a great person and you may have a lot in common, but there is more to it then that.

Although I don't think I would cheat on my GF, I cannot say that it would never happen. Stronger men than me have fallen to temptation. And I'm sure she would be tempted too given the right circumstance. It's sad, but it's just the way we humans are.

Dude I'm not saying you're wrong here, but that kind of attitude answers your question. You can't go into a long distance relationship not knowing whether you'd cheat on someone, especially in your mid to late 20s. It's not worth it and you'll just be holding onto someone you don't care about for no real reason. If you were that into her I don't think you would have written those words. I just made a similar difficult decision, as I'm also going to b-school in the fall, because I wasn't sure and you should consider doing the same. And if you're really split 50/50, might I recommend the following link?
https://www.freakonomicsexperiments.com/

2/18/13

I think I'll be going through a similar situation later this year: my girlfriend is thinking about applying in the fall, and she's pretty set on only attending HBS or maybe GSB (top tier work experience, female, 3.9 from HYP, likely 750+). I'm also applying to business school this year, but there's a pretty good chance that I go 0 for 7 and join the Zero Admit Club (if I do get in anywhere, it'll probably be a school she wouldn't attend).

Should be an interesting year.

2/18/13

Dude stop being a little bitch. Every relationship is different. If you want to stay together then tell her that. If you don't want to, then tell her that. Don't break up pre-emptively with your potential future-wife for fear that she will dump you in business school. She won't dump you to trade up for a guy with a better job, but she might dump you for being a little bitch.

2/18/13

Banker88:
Dude stop being a little bitch. Every relationship is different. If you want to stay together then tell her that. If you don't want to, then tell her that. Don't break up pre-emptively with your potential future-wife for fear that she will dump you in business school. She won't dump you to trade up for a guy with a better job, but she might dump you for being a little bitch.

Plenty of successful women trade up; thousands of years of evolution dictates that women are looking for the "better" provider. I mean in my social circle here in NYC, i only know 1 woman who went to top schools, has a great job, and is dating a guy who went to a much worse school and makes less money than her. I understand that the social dynamics of NYC is different from most places in America, but the type of people going to top b-schools sort of share the big city professional culture ethos.

2/18/13

mbavsmfin:
Banker88:
Dude stop being a little bitch. Every relationship is different. If you want to stay together then tell her that. If you don't want to, then tell her that. Don't break up pre-emptively with your potential future-wife for fear that she will dump you in business school. She won't dump you to trade up for a guy with a better job, but she might dump you for being a little bitch.

Plenty of successful women trade up; thousands of years of evolution dictates that women are looking for the "better" provider. I mean in my social circle here in NYC, i only know 1 woman who went to top schools, has a great job, and is dating a guy who went to a much worse school and makes less money than her. I understand that the social dynamics of NYC is different from most places in America, but the type of people going to top b-schools sort of share the big city professional culture ethos.

On another thread, didn't you mention that you've received interviews from every program you've applied to? Why worry about other "what ifs" for next fall if all your apps are already going as well as they possibly could. As someone who is also currently applying to bschool, the process is stressful enough, if you go looking for other things to worry about you're just going to give yourself an ulcer. You know your girlfriend, and her proclivity to cheat, a lot better than anyone else on this board. Wait until you know what your options are until you preemptively worry about her breaking up with you.

2/18/13

acrew09:
mbavsmfin:
Banker88:
Dude stop being a little bitch. Every relationship is different. If you want to stay together then tell her that. If you don't want to, then tell her that. Don't break up pre-emptively with your potential future-wife for fear that she will dump you in business school. She won't dump you to trade up for a guy with a better job, but she might dump you for being a little bitch.

Plenty of successful women trade up; thousands of years of evolution dictates that women are looking for the "better" provider. I mean in my social circle here in NYC, i only know 1 woman who went to top schools, has a great job, and is dating a guy who went to a much worse school and makes less money than her. I understand that the social dynamics of NYC is different from most places in America, but the type of people going to top b-schools sort of share the big city professional culture ethos.

On another thread, didn't you mention that you've received interviews from every program you've applied to? Why worry about other "what ifs" for next fall if all your apps are already going as well as they possibly could. As someone who is also currently applying to bschool, the process is stressful enough, if you go looking for other things to worry about you're just going to give yourself an ulcer. You know your girlfriend, and her proclivity to cheat, a lot better than anyone else on this board. Wait until you know what your options are until you preemptively worry about her breaking up with you.

Yes, I do have interviews everywhere, but that's still not an acceptance. You're right that it's premature, but it's been burning inside of me for some time and just wanted some advice. Thus far, the people here have been very insightful and helpful.

2/18/13

Maybe you are just exaggerating and she isn't even going to dump you or cheat on you.

This happened to me once when the girl I dated went on a long-term (~ 1 yr) business trip. I was very worried and kept thinking if she would cheat or not. However, at some point I just realized (or I just got tired of these thoughts - not sure) that I can't do anything about it and I should just focus on other things that I genuinely enjoy.

After this my life became much easier, our relationship improved and we dated for 7 months more when she returned.

2/18/13

Ok, here is my experience. Hope it helps:

Started a relationship just 4 months before leaving my home university for an exchange semester in Hong Kong. I did lots of sacrifices like not going to out with friends because I had to skype my girl etc. It worked. Spent 3 awesome years with her. Then, another exchange semester in Taipei. It worked again. Came back home and spent one month of vacation with her. Then left the city after getting a FT position. Started to make plans of leaving together after her graduation, but she didn't like my new city (even if she NEVER said clearly that se didn't want to move here). We spent 5 awful months on a long distance relationship. Then I started to like one of my flat mates... We finally broke up and I started to date this new girl.

I am currently living with the new girl even if roughly dated for 9 months (as I mentioned, we had been flat mates before). Now, I'm considering B-school in Hong Kong. She says that she wants to continue with me and that she is ready for a 2 year long distance relationship. However, I've seen this before... and it doesn't always work...

2/18/13

Don't know you know that MBA stands for Married But Available? One or the soft white underbellies is that of the MBA is that you hear about all the marriages happening but not the ones falling apart. Or all the married or engaged who are hooking up with people other than your SO

If you like it then you better put a ring on it

Oh oh ohhh

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2/18/13

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I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

2/18/13

Hi OP.

Do you believe in making decisions using the best information available ?

Are you aware of what the marriage law, and more importantly divorce law looks like in your state?

If no, consider question 1).

Reread it, look up the stats over recent years, ask divorced people if they thought it would happen to them, before they were married and remove that thought from your head.

Then reconsider marriage, and thank me later :)

Regards

le SkepTic.

2/18/13

From personal experience, you need to go ahead and cut it off, or tuck it between your legs and stay near her. I left to go to grad school, and we lasted until December; however, it would have been better just to cut it off when I left.

"They are all former investment bankers that were laid off in the economic collapse that Nancy Pelosi caused. They have no marketable skills, but by God they work hard."

2/18/13

Waiting until round 2 to apply isn't much of sacrifice compared to not going to that school. If she truly cared about you then she would have been willing to alter her choice.

2/18/13

TeddyTheBear:
Waiting until round 2 to apply isn't much of sacrifice compared to not going to that school. If she truly cared about you then she would have been willing to alter her choice.

No, I was the one who told her to apply round 1. She was willing to wait, but she already had her materials lined up, gmat, recs, etc., and i just told her to go ahead and do it.

2/18/13

novice question, but does b-school actually take up that much time? obviously if you go to different schools in different cities, states, countries, continents, etc that is tough, but from what i've heard, b-school isn't nearly as time consuming as a full time job

Remember, once you're inside you're on your own.
Oh, you mean I can't count on you?
No.
Good!

2/18/13

snakeplissken:
novice question, but does b-school actually take up that much time? obviously if you go to different schools in different cities, states, countries, continents, etc that is tough, but from what i've heard, b-school isn't nearly as time consuming as a full time job

B-school basically is a full-time job, at least until you get an offer. The classes themselves aren't that bad, but you have to balance so many commitments and activities that you really learn how to prioritize what's important to you.

2/18/13

also, whe nthere is a girl with a boyfriend or fiance who isnt gonna be near and she is cute, a lot of the other single guys basically are like 'yeah shes going to get nailed by someone at xyz school mwahahaha that ish wont last! shmuck!'

real talk

2/18/13

I think you should consider the fact that if she's going to a top tier b-school chances are she'll be meeting some BSD bankers/highly successful people that are bound to catch her eye and inevitably make you pale in comparison. Chances are (if she's attractive) she will catch the eyes of some of these aforementioned BSDs. Throw in constant contact through classes, social gatherings, and alcohol, the chances of your relationship lasting two years of being hundreds, potentially thousands of miles apart are not very high.

The whole "trading up" debate is true. Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy

I wouldn't break up with her beforehand for fear of her finding someone else. That's probably foolish and a little immature, especially if you're serious about her. Let her know you'd like to stay together, discuss with her if you two want to be exclusive/take a break/etc. and go from there. Being a realistic optimist is ideal. Of course you'd want things to work out, but don't be overly surprised or devastated when they don't.

2/18/13

Silicon Economist:
I think you should consider the fact that if she's going to a top tier b-school chances are she'll be meeting some BSD bankers/highly successful people that are bound to catch her eye and inevitably make you pale in comparison. Chances are (if she's attractive) she will catch the eyes of some of these aforementioned BSDs. Throw in constant contact through classes, social gatherings, and alcohol, the chances of your relationship lasting two years of being hundreds, potentially thousands of miles apart are not very high.

The whole "trading up" debate is true. Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy

I wouldn't break up with her beforehand for fear of her finding someone else. That's probably foolish and a little immature, especially if you're serious about her. Let her know you'd like to stay together, discuss with her if you two want to be exclusive/take a break/etc. and go from there. Being a realistic optimist is ideal. Of course you'd want things to work out, but don't be overly surprised or devastated when they don't.

Your first paragraph effectively encapsulates my worries and insecurities about this.

2/18/13

Silicon Economist:
I think you should consider the fact that if she's going to a top tier b-school chances are she'll be meeting some BSD bankers/highly successful people that are bound to catch her eye and inevitably make you pale in comparison. Chances are (if she's attractive) she will catch the eyes of some of these aforementioned BSDs. Throw in constant contact through classes, social gatherings, and alcohol, the chances of your relationship lasting two years of being hundreds, potentially thousands of miles apart are not very high.

The whole "trading up" debate is true. Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy

I know someone dated a C-level executive at a consulting firm, but she decided to leave him for business school this year (for career progression purpose). Guess there are some girls falling out of your stereotype.

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2/18/13

huanleshalemei:
Silicon Economist:
I think you should consider the fact that if she's going to a top tier b-school chances are she'll be meeting some BSD bankers/highly successful people that are bound to catch her eye and inevitably make you pale in comparison. Chances are (if she's attractive) she will catch the eyes of some of these aforementioned BSDs. Throw in constant contact through classes, social gatherings, and alcohol, the chances of your relationship lasting two years of being hundreds, potentially thousands of miles apart are not very high.

The whole "trading up" debate is true. Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy

I know someone dated a C-level executive at a consulting firm, but she decided to leave him for business school this year (for career progression purpose). Guess there are some girls falling out of your stereotype.


Stereotypes are created because something happens a certain way frequently or most of the time. Obviously, there will be exceptions to any rule/stereotype.
2/18/13

huanleshalemei:
Silicon Economist:
I think you should consider the fact that if she's going to a top tier b-school chances are she'll be meeting some BSD bankers/highly successful people that are bound to catch her eye and inevitably make you pale in comparison. Chances are (if she's attractive) she will catch the eyes of some of these aforementioned BSDs. Throw in constant contact through classes, social gatherings, and alcohol, the chances of your relationship lasting two years of being hundreds, potentially thousands of miles apart are not very high.

The whole "trading up" debate is true. Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy

I know someone dated a C-level executive at a consulting firm, but she decided to leave him for business school this year (for career progression purpose). Guess there are some girls falling out of your stereotype.

Sure, but hypergamy is a real phenomenon. I have seen this so many times amongst the girls I know. As I said in an earlier post, I only know 1 girl who is in a serious relationship with a guy who is of "lower" status, in terms of school and job. However, I have tons of guy friends who are uber successful but date girls who are in sales, marketing, nursing, teaching, etc. Hell I have one good friend from college who is now a PM at a major hedge fund, and his fiancee is a nanny who did not even attend college.

2/19/13

mbavsmfin:
huanleshalemei:
Silicon Economist:
I think you should consider the fact that if she's going to a top tier b-school chances are she'll be meeting some BSD bankers/highly successful people that are bound to catch her eye and inevitably make you pale in comparison. Chances are (if she's attractive) she will catch the eyes of some of these aforementioned BSDs. Throw in constant contact through classes, social gatherings, and alcohol, the chances of your relationship lasting two years of being hundreds, potentially thousands of miles apart are not very high.

The whole "trading up" debate is true. Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy

I know someone dated a C-level executive at a consulting firm, but she decided to leave him for business school this year (for career progression purpose). Guess there are some girls falling out of your stereotype.

Sure, but hypergamy is a real phenomenon. I have seen this so many times amongst the girls I know. As I said in an earlier post, I only know 1 girl who is in a serious relationship with a guy who is of "lower" status, in terms of school and job. However, I have tons of guy friends who are uber successful but date girls who are in sales, marketing, nursing, teaching, etc. Hell I have one good friend from college who is now a PM at a major hedge fund, and his fiancee is a nanny who did not even attend college.

Your PM buddy is an idiot if he will sign the papers with a nanny, he will learn then his ass will hurt from the pounding in the courts.

"The HBS guys have MAD SWAGGER. They frequently wear their class jackets to boston bars, strutting and acting like they own the joint. They just ooze success, confidence, swagger, basically attributes of alpha males."

2/18/13

This is why you never want to be in a relationship with girls in the business world. They care more about career progression than relationships. I know a kid who was an SA at JPM and during this time he was dating a girl interested in banking. She was incredibly smart and not bad looking either. Anyways she worked at some boutique and convinced her BF to open up his connects at JPM. He really pushed for her and she was able to get a phone interview with an alum and eventually she got a FT offer. He was so happy since they were dating and now working together. Well none of that mattered since she broke up with him senior year.

2/18/13

TeddyTheBear:
This is why you never want to be in a relationship with girls in the business world. They care more about career progression than relationships. I know a kid who was an SA at JPM and during this time he was dating a girl interested in banking. She was incredibly smart and not bad looking either. Anyways she worked at some boutique and convinced her BF to open up his connects at JPM. He really pushed for her and she was able to get a phone interview with an alum and eventually she got a FT offer. He was so happy since they were dating and now working together. Well none of that mattered since she broke up with him senior year.

None of the women I know (reasonably well) who're going to business school (three of them, all around 25 and all at top tier schools) have any real plan to work in the "business" world for more than 3-4 years following graduation. Their likely career progression (at least for the attractive ones):

1) MBA
2) Work in consulting / investor relations / fashion shit / whatever for 2-3 years
3) Get married
4) Get a job at a non-profit somewhere in Manhattan
5) Start pumping out kids in late-20s / early-30s

2/19/13

holla_back:
TeddyTheBear:
This is why you never want to be in a relationship with girls in the business world. They care more about career progression than relationships. I know a kid who was an SA at JPM and during this time he was dating a girl interested in banking. She was incredibly smart and not bad looking either. Anyways she worked at some boutique and convinced her BF to open up his connects at JPM. He really pushed for her and she was able to get a phone interview with an alum and eventually she got a FT offer. He was so happy since they were dating and now working together. Well none of that mattered since she broke up with him senior year.

None of the women I know (reasonably well) who're going to business school (three of them, all around 25 and all at top tier schools) have any real plan to work in the "business" world for more than 3-4 years following graduation. Their likely career progression (at least for the attractive ones):

1) MBA
2) Work in consulting / investor relations / fashion shit / whatever for 2-3 years
3) Get married
4) Get a job at a non-profit somewhere in Manhattan
5) Start pumping out kids in late-20s / early-30s

This is precisely why admitting women to MBAs is a joke. If you admit a female to mba, there should be some sort of "poison pill" which gets activated if they drop out of workforce early or do bs jobs. The whole mantra we are educating future leaders and etc. is a fucking joke, when a significant portion will be overeducated housewifes.

"The HBS guys have MAD SWAGGER. They frequently wear their class jackets to boston bars, strutting and acting like they own the joint. They just ooze success, confidence, swagger, basically attributes of alpha males."

2/18/13

TeddyTheBear:
This is why you never want to be in a relationship with girls in the business world. They care more about career progression than relationships. I know a kid who was an SA at JPM and during this time he was dating a girl interested in banking. She was incredibly smart and not bad looking either. Anyways she worked at some boutique and convinced her BF to open up his connects at JPM. He really pushed for her and she was able to get a phone interview with an alum and eventually she got a FT offer. He was so happy since they were dating and now working together. Well none of that mattered since she broke up with him senior year.

I think women in general want to be with a man who is more successful than they are, at least when it comes to long-term relationships and marriage. It's the whole "provider" instinct that is the result of human evolution. This is not limited to women in finance.

2/19/13

Ok, the best arrangement I can think of for you is to break up with the girl for now. If she's making you insecure, she's going to make you even more insecure during and after MBA. Think about it, your girl may be cruising parties getting slammed by multiple BSDs every night during b-school and the imagery will kill you inside.

But, as a new single you can slay chicks in sales, marketing or whatever caters your ego. Everyone's happy.

The Auto Show

2/19/13

huanleshalemei:
Ok, the best arrangement I can think of for you is to break up with the girl for now. If she's making you insecure, she's going to make you even more insecure during and after MBA. Think about it, your girl may be cruising parties getting slammed by multiple BSDs every night during b-school and the imagery will kill you inside.

But, as a new single you can slay chicks in sales, marketing or whatever caters your ego. Everyone's happy.

Yup, that's definitely my worst nightmare. She gets swept off her feet by a tall charismatic alpha who worked at bain capital/blackstone/KKR before b-school.

As for me, I'm only into smart accomplished chicks. Looks alone don't really do it for me, so girls in sales, marketing, and so forth are not viable options.

2/19/13

mbavsmfin:
huanleshalemei:
Ok, the best arrangement I can think of for you is to break up with the girl for now. If she's making you insecure, she's going to make you even more insecure during and after MBA. Think about it, your girl may be cruising parties getting slammed by multiple BSDs every night during b-school and the imagery will kill you inside.

But, as a new single you can slay chicks in sales, marketing or whatever caters your ego. Everyone's happy.

Yup, that's definitely my worst nightmare. She gets swept off her feet by a tall charismatic alpha who worked at bain capital/blackstone/KKR before b-school.

As for me, I'm only into smart accomplished chicks. Looks alone don't really do it for me, so girls in sales, marketing, and so forth are not viable options.

Try to shift your focus from the girl to your own MBA/MFin application. I could be damn wrong, but it's very unlikely that smart/accomplished chick + possessive/insecure boyfriend = long-term/fulfilling relationship.

The Auto Show

2/19/13

huanleshalemei:
mbavsmfin:
huanleshalemei:
Ok, the best arrangement I can think of for you is to break up with the girl for now. If she's making you insecure, she's going to make you even more insecure during and after MBA. Think about it, your girl may be cruising parties getting slammed by multiple BSDs every night during b-school and the imagery will kill you inside.

But, as a new single you can slay chicks in sales, marketing or whatever caters your ego. Everyone's happy.

Yup, that's definitely my worst nightmare. She gets swept off her feet by a tall charismatic alpha who worked at bain capital/blackstone/KKR before b-school.

As for me, I'm only into smart accomplished chicks. Looks alone don't really do it for me, so girls in sales, marketing, and so forth are not viable options.

Try to shift your focus from the girl to your own MBA/MFin application. I could be damn wrong, but it's very unlikely that smart/accomplished chick + possessive/insecure boyfriend = long-term/fulfilling relationship.

Thanks for the pointer, but my mba/mfin application is going absolutely great so far. Also I'm pretty freaking smart and accomplished myself, so it's not like I'm "reaching for the stars here."

2/19/13

mbavsmfin:
huanleshalemei:
mbavsmfin:
huanleshalemei:
Ok, the best arrangement I can think of for you is to break up with the girl for now. If she's making you insecure, she's going to make you even more insecure during and after MBA. Think about it, your girl may be cruising parties getting slammed by multiple BSDs every night during b-school and the imagery will kill you inside.

But, as a new single you can slay chicks in sales, marketing or whatever caters your ego. Everyone's happy.

Yup, that's definitely my worst nightmare. She gets swept off her feet by a tall charismatic alpha who worked at bain capital/blackstone/KKR before b-school.

As for me, I'm only into smart accomplished chicks. Looks alone don't really do it for me, so girls in sales, marketing, and so forth are not viable options.

Try to shift your focus from the girl to your own MBA/MFin application. I could be damn wrong, but it's very unlikely that smart/accomplished chick + possessive/insecure boyfriend = long-term/fulfilling relationship.

Thanks for the pointer, but my mba/mfin application is going absolutely great so far. Also I'm pretty freaking smart and accomplished myself, so it's not like I'm "reaching for the stars here."

Haha, I was not being sarcastic - just wanted to motivate to you. Good luck!

The Auto Show

2/19/13

huanleshalemei:
mbavsmfin:
huanleshalemei:
mbavsmfin:
huanleshalemei:
Ok, the best arrangement I can think of for you is to break up with the girl for now. If she's making you insecure, she's going to make you even more insecure during and after MBA. Think about it, your girl may be cruising parties getting slammed by multiple BSDs every night during b-school and the imagery will kill you inside.

But, as a new single you can slay chicks in sales, marketing or whatever caters your ego. Everyone's happy.

Yup, that's definitely my worst nightmare. She gets swept off her feet by a tall charismatic alpha who worked at bain capital/blackstone/KKR before b-school.

As for me, I'm only into smart accomplished chicks. Looks alone don't really do it for me, so girls in sales, marketing, and so forth are not viable options.

Try to shift your focus from the girl to your own MBA/MFin application. I could be damn wrong, but it's very unlikely that smart/accomplished chick + possessive/insecure boyfriend = long-term/fulfilling relationship.

Thanks for the pointer, but my mba/mfin application is going absolutely great so far. Also I'm pretty freaking smart and accomplished myself, so it's not like I'm "reaching for the stars here."

Haha, I was not being sarcastic - just wanted to motivate to you. Good luck!

Lol. Fair enough. Thanks for the good wishes.

2/19/13

If you get into M7 and keep your pre-MBA girlfriend, then you are an idiot. It's like getting into NFL\NBA\MLB and then still dating your high school sweetheart.

Move on buddy. Greater things await.

"The HBS guys have MAD SWAGGER. They frequently wear their class jackets to boston bars, strutting and acting like they own the joint. They just ooze success, confidence, swagger, basically attributes of alpha males."

2/19/13

I'll leave you with one last thought....when in doubt, throw her out.

2/20/13

SirTradesaLot:
I'll leave you with one last thought....when in doubt, throw her out.

Ha. I suppose I could upgrade myself in b-school if things don't work out with her.

2/20/13

SirTradesaLot:
I'll leave you with one last thought....when in doubt, throw her out.

I think businessinsider's recent advice was more valid: "You may want to find your ideal romantic partner, but this is statistically unlikely to happen, so you should embrace regression to the mean"

2/20/13

Amphipathic:
"You may want to find your ideal romantic partner, but this is statistically unlikely to happen, so you should embrace regression to the mean"

Maybe, but the internet can potentially increase the chance of finding 'the one' by a few percentage points. Just met a great girl online, can't wait for her to move to my city.

2/20/13

arru:
Amphipathic:
"You may want to find your ideal romantic partner, but this is statistically unlikely to happen, so you should embrace regression to the mean"

Maybe, but the internet can potentially increase the chance of finding 'the one' by a few percentage points. Just met a great girl online, can't wait for her to move to my city.


Manti?
2/20/13

SirTradesaLot:
arru:
Amphipathic:
"You may want to find your ideal romantic partner, but this is statistically unlikely to happen, so you should embrace regression to the mean"

Maybe, but the internet can potentially increase the chance of finding 'the one' by a few percentage points. Just met a great girl online, can't wait for her to move to my city.


Manti?

LOL

there are inefficiencies in dating markets...

2/20/13

"You'll lose a lot of money chasing women, but you'll never lose women chasing money"

2/21/13

use tinder

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

2/21/13

"Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."

Harvey Specter doesn't get cotton mouth.

2/22/13

Dude, we are right now in the season of switching partners.

2/23/13

I didn't read all the comments so apologies if I'm repeating others. It can obviously work. I've seen classmates break up and others get married to their significant others. I've also seen gfs, bfs move halfway across the country to be with their SO while in b school. If you both have your heads on straight, be honest and trust each other, the 2 years will fly by. Obviously depends on strength of relationship and maturity level but it's definately not a foregone conclusion that it'll end in disaster. Long distance sucks and it's not always easy but the only way it won't work is if one of you doesn't want it to work.

2/23/13

I'd venture to guess that all these comments about destruction of relationships, cheating, etc. in bschool are more conjecture than from people that actually go/went to bschool. At school now, I'd say that about a third of my class has LD relationships. I don't see these crumbling. If anything, I've seen more engagements than breakups. Of course people go out and what not but its not like mind blowing crazy. I'd estimate that about 10% of students make up 100% of the gossip, and those 10% are the only ones even gossiping. The type of people that would breakup/cheat are they type of people that would do it irrespective of being in a LD relationship in bschool or the status quo.

2/28/13

ke18sb:
I'd venture to guess that all these comments about destruction of relationships, cheating, etc. in bschool are more conjecture than from people that actually go/went to bschool. At school now, I'd say that about a third of my class has LD relationships. I don't see these crumbling. If anything, I've seen more engagements than breakups. Of course people go out and what not but its not like mind blowing crazy. I'd estimate that about 10% of students make up 100% of the gossip, and those 10% are the only ones even gossiping. The type of people that would breakup/cheat are they type of people that would do it irrespective of being in a LD relationship in bschool or the status quo.

This is a great post. I really hope it's true. I keep having nightmares of losing my girl to some alpha BSD who worked at a megafund PE firm before b-school.

3/1/13

jr253:
...Long distance sucks and it's not always easy but the only way it won't work is if one of you doesn't want it to work.

ke18sb:
...The type of people that would breakup/cheat are they type of people that would do it irrespective of being in a LD relationship in bschool or the status quo.

I've got to disagree with these two points. Just think about the basic tenets of a relationship. Why are you with a person? Typically the answer is that you care about them, their well being and, more importantly, you enjoy their company and companionship. Knowingly going in two different directions is silly and to say that it will only not work out if someone doesn't want it to is naive.

What's the point of dating someone living across the country? If the point of a relationship is to spend time with a person and be with them for companionship, being in two different places for long stretches of time, especially when you are in a socially busy place like business school doesn't fulfill the initial urge you were satisfying. I also think it's a bit selfish for both people to expect to put the other person through the ringer with the 2 minute long late night phone calls, just so you guys can say you talked, etc. or skipping out on a happy hour so you can Skype, etc. And I realize that you should be willing to make sacrifices for the person you care about, but it's also a bit counterproductive to potentially miss out on networking opportunities, etc. while going to school with the express intent of elevating your status so you can take better care of the person on the other end of the phone.

There have been studies about people who cheat and conventional wisdom generally says that a guy cheats on his wife with a co-worker because they found the co-worker more attractive but the study showed that in the vast majority of the cases the husband thought the co-worker wasn't as physically attractive as their wife, but that the bond/relationship that developed as they worker late nights on the same project, etc. overcame the stereotype. And, if I recall, it was the opposite for women...which is ironic.

There is no denying that humans are animals and have urges that can only be suppressed for so long. Just look at how many women 'settle' because they are over 30 and 'need' to have kids.

And I'm not condoning cheating, but I think it's important to not put purposefully put yourself in a potentially bad situation, especially if you care about the other person.

OP, I would tell her how you feel and get her thoughts. If you are actually as insecure as you are coming across, it will only result in disaster because the situation isn't necessarily going to ever get better. If she's hot and accomplished and gets into a better school and possibly gets a better job post-MBA, then her job is going to be the next 'b-school' situation for you because there will be slightly older guys in more senior positions that went to a better school than you and who make more money than you and who have a better condo than you, might be in better shape or better looking, etc. And I'm not trying to be an ultra critical dickhead, because I've been there. I spent 4 years in the Army and was 4 years behind my peers when it came to school. My GF, who was 1 year younger, was a senior in college when I was a freshman. She applied to med school and got in. I dealt with the some of the same issues because here I was a broke college kid and she was hanging out with semi accomplished guys that had bachelors and masters degrees from well known institutions, on their way to being physicians and making good money, etc. And what I've come to realize is that my insecurity was mostly about me not being happy with where I was and feeling unaccomplished...which is why I said if you feel like you are dating up, even half a point, you might always worry. The small part of my insecurity came in part because I only knew a few of the guys she was hanging out with. Because they didn't know me, they didn't respect me and I knew that meant they would try to sleep with her and wouldn't care if it pissed me off or whatever. That's were that little office study comes into play. It's one thing for us to go out to a bar and some guy to come hit on her for a minute, it was another for the same guy to hit on her 4 times a week for 3 years. And she was a trustworthy girl, no doubt about it, but you just start to wonder what happens when everyone has been drinking and she lets her guard down...does she make a mistake? And it's going to really suck if you call her one night because you had a rough day or you miss her and want to talk and she hasn't to cut you off and tell you that she is working on a project for class and will have to call you back tomorrow. You are going to replay the conversation over in your head and ask yourself what that noise was in the background or that voice, etc. The way you are coming across at this point makes me thin you will deal with all of that if you guys are at different schools, so be honest with yourself and whether or not you can handle that.

With all that said, if I cared about her and thought there could be more, then I would certainly give it a shot, but wouldn't have much hope, especially because you seem more willing to put in the effort than she is.

Lastly, some food for thought. When I dated the girl from above, which last about 3.5 years, we talked about where she might be going to med school, where her internships were going to be, her residency, where she might practice afterwards, etc. and the thought was about what compromises could each of us make. Ultimately it didn't work out for some ancillary reasons, but the point is, we didn't wait for her to get into schools to talk about what sacrifices I would be willing to make to keep the relationship going, it was part of the discussion that guided decisions about where to apply and ultimately where to matriculate.

Best of luck.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

2/28/13

It is true. But the way I followed up to some prospective student inquiring about it was that it is more fun to talk about all the crazy stories than all the ones that are just stable.

2/28/13

abacab:
It is true. But the way I followed up to some prospective student inquiring about it was that it is more fun to talk about all the crazy stories than all the ones that are just stable.

Do a lot of crazy stuff happen in b-school?

2/28/13

mbavsmfin:
abacab:
It is true. But the way I followed up to some prospective student inquiring about it was that it is more fun to talk about all the crazy stories than all the ones that are just stable.

Do a lot of crazy stuff happen in b-school?


Does getting your cock pierced count as crazy?
2/28/13

SirTradesaLot:
mbavsmfin:
abacab:
It is true. But the way I followed up to some prospective student inquiring about it was that it is more fun to talk about all the crazy stories than all the ones that are just stable.

Do a lot of crazy stuff happen in b-school?


Does getting your cock pierced count as crazy?

No; that counts as stupid and gross. I was thinking more along the lines of parties, travels, hooking up, dating, you know fun stuff.

2/28/13

mbavsmfin:
SirTradesaLot:
mbavsmfin:
abacab:
It is true. But the way I followed up to some prospective student inquiring about it was that it is more fun to talk about all the crazy stories than all the ones that are just stable.

Do a lot of crazy stuff happen in b-school?


Does getting your cock pierced count as crazy?

No; that counts as stupid and gross. I was thinking more along the lines of parties, travels, hooking up, dating, you know fun stuff.


When you get a group of people in their 20's together, generally, you won't find dating, hooking up, drinking, or partying too often. But, everyone gets their cock pierced.
2/28/13

SirTradesaLot:
mbavsmfin:
SirTradesaLot:
mbavsmfin:
abacab:
It is true. But the way I followed up to some prospective student inquiring about it was that it is more fun to talk about all the crazy stories than all the ones that are just stable.

Do a lot of crazy stuff happen in b-school?


Does getting your cock pierced count as crazy?

No; that counts as stupid and gross. I was thinking more along the lines of parties, travels, hooking up, dating, you know fun stuff.


When you get a group of people in their 20's together, generally, you won't find dating, hooking up, drinking, or partying too often. But, everyone gets their cock pierced.

Ah, an attempt to be original and funny that fell flat.

If things end with my girlfriend, I definitely want to explore my social options in b-school. I personally think a lot of it is hype but would love to hear current students' take on this, more specifically how easy it is for the male students to get chicks outside of b-school, whether other programs at the university or the city at large.

2/28/13

mbavsmfin:

If things end with my girlfriend, I definitely want to explore my social options in b-school. I personally think a lot of it is hype but would love to hear current students' take on this, more specifically how easy it is for the male students to get chicks outside of b-school, whether other programs at the university or the city at large.

just dump her already..,it's not going to last. Of course people hook up in business school. Sort of obvious. Do your friends hook up with women now? (hoping the answer is yes, but the fact the question is being asked, I'm not so sure). I don't know why you think that would change because you're back attending school.
3/1/13

mbavsmfin:
SirTradesaLot:
mbavsmfin:
abacab:
It is true. But the way I followed up to some prospective student inquiring about it was that it is more fun to talk about all the crazy stories than all the ones that are just stable.

Do a lot of crazy stuff happen in b-school?


Does getting your cock pierced count as crazy?

No; that counts as stupid and gross. I was thinking more along the lines of parties, travels, hooking up, dating, you know fun stuff.

Stop talking! I have difficulty in concentrating on my work (will go to b-school this year~)

The Auto Show

3/1/13

huanleshalemei:
mbavsmfin:
SirTradesaLot:
mbavsmfin:
abacab:
It is true. But the way I followed up to some prospective student inquiring about it was that it is more fun to talk about all the crazy stories than all the ones that are just stable.

Do a lot of crazy stuff happen in b-school?


Does getting your cock pierced count as crazy?

No; that counts as stupid and gross. I was thinking more along the lines of parties, travels, hooking up, dating, you know fun stuff.

Stop talking! I have difficulty in concentrating on my work (will go to b-school this year~)

You should take some MBA-prep course. Here's a good start:
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/e-mail-from-...

2/28/13

If you have any close friends currently in MBA, just ask them. Here is one: Teammate hooks up with another teammate's wife. Obviously that marriage didn't last.

If you want to try it, do it and just see how things go. It's not like you will skip MBA and move to Boston or something just for her if your option is in Chicago or Philadelphia. Crazy shit happens, people know about it, and talk about it, and will make fun of it in front of large audience.

I have some classmates who kept it together LD, some who didn't (even if bf/gf in town). Some moved down to lower tier school to be with the other one, some who went different ways and survived. Some who live in different apartments, and some together. Some had husband/wife/fiance/bf/gf move with them even if they are not going to school. It's all over the map and you can't predict. There was no falling over Prince Charming though.

3/1/13

Interesting post but sounds like more sour grapes from your own experience. As I've said numerous times, literally like 25% of the people in my class have LD relationships and a ton have gotten engaged since school.

3/1/13

ke18sb:
Interesting post but sounds like more sour grapes from your own experience. As I've said numerous times, literally like 25% of the people in my class have LD relationships and a ton have gotten engaged since school.

Are you at a M7 school?

3/1/13

Cph, good post, and thanks for sharing that personal information with us. I appreciate your candor. l

The story about those med students looking down on you is very unfortunate but sadly indicative of how the world works. This is one reason why I made sure to attend a prestigious college and now hopefully a prestigious grad school. I want to make sure that people don't look down on me in those types of social situations.

3/1/13

mbavsmfin:
Cph, good post, and thanks for sharing that personal information with us. I appreciate your candor. l

The story about those med students looking down on you is very unfortunate but sadly indicative of how the world works. This is one reason why I made sure to attend a prestigious college and now hopefully a prestigious grad school. I want to make sure that people don't look down on me in those types of social situations.


Just curious: are you Brady4MVP? There are some striking similarities in how you think about the world.
3/1/13

SirTradesaLot:
mbavsmfin:
Cph, good post, and thanks for sharing that personal information with us. I appreciate your candor. l

The story about those med students looking down on you is very unfortunate but sadly indicative of how the world works. This is one reason why I made sure to attend a prestigious college and now hopefully a prestigious grad school. I want to make sure that people don't look down on me in those types of social situations.


Just curious: are you Brady4MVP? There are some striking similarities in how you think about the world.

No, I'm not brady, but he's a good friend of mine. He's actually heading to a top b-school this fall and is doing quite well.

3/1/13

mbavsmfin:
SirTradesaLot:
mbavsmfin:
Cph, good post, and thanks for sharing that personal information with us. I appreciate your candor. l

The story about those med students looking down on you is very unfortunate but sadly indicative of how the world works. This is one reason why I made sure to attend a prestigious college and now hopefully a prestigious grad school. I want to make sure that people don't look down on me in those types of social situations.


Just curious: are you Brady4MVP? There are some striking similarities in how you think about the world.

No, I'm not brady, but he's a good friend of mine. He's actually heading to a top b-school this fall and is doing quite well.

Is this a joke?

Too late for second-guessing Too late to go back to sleep.

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