its actually quite unfortunate from a diversity point of view. i personally think there should be more emphasis on getting women than the other programs they currently have in place.
that will lead to a ton of really unqualified people getting in unless they really encourage more women to apply. women get a bit of an edge as it is - if you ever see the resume books banks get (or at least the one my bank got), they are even more of a sausage fest than the group that actually makes it into banking.
It's a sausage fest because girls care how much a guy makes and guys care about how hot girls are (not true in every instance, but it works as a rule). Why the fuck would anyone go into banking if they weren't in it for the money? Girls as a rule don't go into careers that suck your life away in exchange for cash cause it just isn't worth it for them -more power to them in my opinion to be totally honest.
If a girl is good looking enough, they don't need to do a job like IBD because they can attract whatever guy they want in the end. Most women I have met in banking are just ugly nerds that I would never touch, no matter how many all nighters I've pulled. If they are good looking and working in banking, they are just plain crazy.
If a girl is good looking enough, they don't need to do a job like IBD because they can attract whatever guy they want in the end. Most women I have met in banking are just ugly nerds that I would never touch, no matter how many all nighters I've pulled. If they are good looking and working in banking, they are just plain crazy.
Wait until you actually start working. After long periods of no sleep, your mind starts playing tricks on you.
Who cares if they work with girls or not? If I'm working at a fabric testing facility that is testing bathing suits, then I want to work with a bunch of girls, but my (limited) interaction with WS type girls has been underwhelming, and judging by other folks responses I have no yearning to sit in a cube down the way from a cranky chick. That's not to say they are all going to be cranky because I have met some cool ones, but I am more concerned about working with someone that I can get along with and who pulls their weight, so unless the chick has those traits and is smoking hot, then I would rather work guys because they are far less temperamental and they're emotionally stable.
P.S. Sorry for stereotyping all the normal girls into the crazy category, but you probably already know that you are a very rare creature.
Regards
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan
Well I worked in an office of 10 over the summer and there were 0 girl bankers. The group I'm going to this summer has about 30 bankers and again, 0 girls.
Larger banks have more diversity recruiting. In particular, BAML, JPM and Citi all have fairly high percentages of females in their IB analyst classes. In the senior ranks, it's still a male-dominated profession, however.
"For all the tribulations in our lives, for all the troubles that remain in the world, the decline of violence is an accomplishment we can savor, and an impetus to cherish the forces of civilization and enlightenment that made it possible."
Male to Female Ratios in Banking firms. (Originally Posted: 02/10/2013)
How many women are in the average Bulge Bracket office?
How attractive are they and do they cope with the long hours and work pressures better or worse than men, considering a lot of women are under way more pressure to have kids and settle down?
Maybe 30:1 in banking. They dominate the secretary division. Nobody gets coffee better than women; nobody.
This is probably too low.. but at a certain point, we're talking about a trivial difference. There aren't a lot of women, at least in the investment-banking division proper. You'll see better ratios in capital markets (particularly on the equity side), and in sales.
"There are three ways to make a living in this business: be first, be smarter, or cheat."
How many women are in the average Bulge Bracket office?
How attractive are they and do they cope with the long hours and work pressures better or worse than men, considering a lot of women are under way more pressure to have kids and settle down?
I'd say 15:1 male-to-female. I haven't seen one I would describe as particularly attractive; most look average, but professional.
Also haven't seen any difference in how they handle the hours. As for settling down, they aren't under any pressure to do so - but marrying a MD probably sounds a lot better than working as one.
We are around 40 bankers on my floor and 4 of them are women. Pretty shitty ratio, I would love to have some more good looking female analysts. In terms of look, they are ok but nothing special.
Printing support, secretaries, reception and HR is dominated by women though and especially the HR staff is pretty attractive.
I would say they don't exist since you have to be a fucking geek to go to a top tier school and on top of that get good grades. Hot chicks are out here at my big public school playing beer pong, getting fucked and studying shit like nursing and elementary education, not accounting or finance...
Qui est eligendi dicta vel. Cupiditate sed est qui vel debitis maxime similique ex.
Dolores assumenda deserunt et aut. Perspiciatis voluptatibus pariatur nam qui consequatur nulla. Soluta molestias et incidunt quia placeat ducimus. Praesentium nobis aspernatur est nihil omnis. Qui consequatur ullam sed repellendus ipsa aut repellendus. Vel sit consequatur ducimus nostrum hic aut eius dolor.
See All Comments - 100% Free
WSO depends on everyone being able to pitch in when they know something. Unlock with your email and get bonus: 6 financial modeling lessons free ($199 value)
Est fuga nisi corrupti quis earum praesentium dolorem. Ex dolor odit vero in est. Ut consequatur dolores velit consequatur. Quasi distinctio ullam cum amet sequi eaque iusto. Maiores eum aliquid aspernatur doloremque. Eos perferendis dicta id fuga maiores ipsa.
Laborum officia et porro aut. Sint deleniti non porro dolores enim et libero quasi. Itaque dolore suscipit et ipsum qui dolores. Explicabo error repellat sapiente odio voluptas qui aut.
Optio tempora ducimus alias architecto sint eius. Sed suscipit est facilis sit dolores. Quia aliquam consectetur eos veritatis. Placeat officia accusamus alias iusto ut quas perspiciatis. Illum nisi provident autem ullam dignissimos quaerat. Sint deleniti ducimus nihil eum eum. Explicabo nobis est ipsam doloremque labore accusamus.
Sorry, you need to login or sign up in order to vote. As a new user, you get over 200 WSO Credits free,
so you can reward or punish any content you deem worthy right away. See you on the other side!
NM
Funny.
yes and yes
100/1 and pretty much yes.
We have like 6 analysts / associates that are female. My advice is to keep your distance most are crazy and strung out.
yes only females are EA, ratio for non-support staff is total shit
its actually quite unfortunate from a diversity point of view. i personally think there should be more emphasis on getting women than the other programs they currently have in place.
that will lead to a ton of really unqualified people getting in unless they really encourage more women to apply. women get a bit of an edge as it is - if you ever see the resume books banks get (or at least the one my bank got), they are even more of a sausage fest than the group that actually makes it into banking.
thats true but a sacrifice im willing to make to get more women into banking and even the playing field.
Then what's next? Blacks?
Regards
not on my watch
http://www.graphpaper.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/don_draper.jpg
what do you mean even the playing field? don't shit where you eat dude.
even if we accepted literally every girl who applied at my bank who had at least a 3.0 gpa i don't think we would have had a 50/50 ratio
It's a sausage fest because girls care how much a guy makes and guys care about how hot girls are (not true in every instance, but it works as a rule). Why the fuck would anyone go into banking if they weren't in it for the money? Girls as a rule don't go into careers that suck your life away in exchange for cash cause it just isn't worth it for them -more power to them in my opinion to be totally honest.
If a girl is good looking enough, they don't need to do a job like IBD because they can attract whatever guy they want in the end. Most women I have met in banking are just ugly nerds that I would never touch, no matter how many all nighters I've pulled. If they are good looking and working in banking, they are just plain crazy.
Wait until you actually start working. After long periods of no sleep, your mind starts playing tricks on you.
U.S. banks have a bad ratio.
banks like barcap go for diversity and have more girls imo
Who cares if they work with girls or not? If I'm working at a fabric testing facility that is testing bathing suits, then I want to work with a bunch of girls, but my (limited) interaction with WS type girls has been underwhelming, and judging by other folks responses I have no yearning to sit in a cube down the way from a cranky chick. That's not to say they are all going to be cranky because I have met some cool ones, but I am more concerned about working with someone that I can get along with and who pulls their weight, so unless the chick has those traits and is smoking hot, then I would rather work guys because they are far less temperamental and they're emotionally stable.
P.S. Sorry for stereotyping all the normal girls into the crazy category, but you probably already know that you are a very rare creature.
Regards
Well I worked in an office of 10 over the summer and there were 0 girl bankers. The group I'm going to this summer has about 30 bankers and again, 0 girls.
I wish I was a native american girl that is a first generation student and living in poverty.
Larger banks have more diversity recruiting. In particular, BAML, JPM and Citi all have fairly high percentages of females in their IB analyst classes. In the senior ranks, it's still a male-dominated profession, however.
Male to Female Ratios in Banking firms. (Originally Posted: 02/10/2013)
How many women are in the average Bulge Bracket office?
How attractive are they and do they cope with the long hours and work pressures better or worse than men, considering a lot of women are under way more pressure to have kids and settle down?
Maybe 30:1 in banking. They dominate the secretary division. Nobody gets coffee better than women; nobody.
This is probably too low.. but at a certain point, we're talking about a trivial difference. There aren't a lot of women, at least in the investment-banking division proper. You'll see better ratios in capital markets (particularly on the equity side), and in sales.
in my group 10:1
I'd say 15:1 male-to-female. I haven't seen one I would describe as particularly attractive; most look average, but professional.
Also haven't seen any difference in how they handle the hours. As for settling down, they aren't under any pressure to do so - but marrying a MD probably sounds a lot better than working as one.
We are around 40 bankers on my floor and 4 of them are women. Pretty shitty ratio, I would love to have some more good looking female analysts. In terms of look, they are ok but nothing special.
Printing support, secretaries, reception and HR is dominated by women though and especially the HR staff is pretty attractive.
my bank is full of hotties in equity sales...
The analyst class at my school was 45:2 this year for IBD.
Male/Female Ratio in IB (Originally Posted: 10/11/2006)
What do you think the male/female ratio in IB?
Here's a funny blog article about female bankers - http://www.leveragedsellout.com/2006/05/how-to-get-a-banker-chick-for-t…
I have met some HOT female bankers from JP Morgan in NY, but hot female bankers are hard to find... Are they just rare or getting extinct???
I would say they don't exist since you have to be a fucking geek to go to a top tier school and on top of that get good grades. Hot chicks are out here at my big public school playing beer pong, getting fucked and studying shit like nursing and elementary education, not accounting or finance...
well, there are some cute banker chicks...
Have you seen Erin Burnett on CNBC? She used to be a banker at Goldman. She's one beautiful and classy chick.
Sales and Trading has a lot of hot chicks
One good looking girl in my whole class of 95 at a BB...however some of the sales girls and corporate bankers are smoking.
The only females on my floor are the ones who answer calls and expense my meal receipts
Definitely better looking girls in sales & trading.
Qui est eligendi dicta vel. Cupiditate sed est qui vel debitis maxime similique ex.
Dolores assumenda deserunt et aut. Perspiciatis voluptatibus pariatur nam qui consequatur nulla. Soluta molestias et incidunt quia placeat ducimus. Praesentium nobis aspernatur est nihil omnis. Qui consequatur ullam sed repellendus ipsa aut repellendus. Vel sit consequatur ducimus nostrum hic aut eius dolor.
See All Comments - 100% Free
WSO depends on everyone being able to pitch in when they know something. Unlock with your email and get bonus: 6 financial modeling lessons free ($199 value)
or Unlock with your social account...
Est fuga nisi corrupti quis earum praesentium dolorem. Ex dolor odit vero in est. Ut consequatur dolores velit consequatur. Quasi distinctio ullam cum amet sequi eaque iusto. Maiores eum aliquid aspernatur doloremque. Eos perferendis dicta id fuga maiores ipsa.
Laborum officia et porro aut. Sint deleniti non porro dolores enim et libero quasi. Itaque dolore suscipit et ipsum qui dolores. Explicabo error repellat sapiente odio voluptas qui aut.
Optio tempora ducimus alias architecto sint eius. Sed suscipit est facilis sit dolores. Quia aliquam consectetur eos veritatis. Placeat officia accusamus alias iusto ut quas perspiciatis. Illum nisi provident autem ullam dignissimos quaerat. Sint deleniti ducimus nihil eum eum. Explicabo nobis est ipsam doloremque labore accusamus.