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I applaud these Marines for their actions. Young men, sent to a shit hole, allowing a people to be free and vote Democratically for the first time in their lives, who get sniped, blown up and otherwise treated like shit, kill a couple people who are trying to kill them and then decide to piss on their bodies. I see ZERO wrong with this.

The Marines were not pissing on little kids, prisoners or anything else like that. They were pissing on Taliban enemy combatants. Big fucking deal.

Oh no, the Afghani's are getting pissed. You know what? The USA should leave Afghanistan and go to the Taliban and tell them it is all yours, we won't fuck with you ever again. In 5 years when women are beat and gays are killed and people can't read or go to school the USA should fly a huge banner over the country and tell them " told you so ".

Why on earth do we even bother? Americans across this country should urinate in milk jugs and send it to the military so they can fill a C130 full of red, white and blue piss, fly it to that shit hole and urinate on the whole country.

Ungrateful, medieval cock suckers. And fuck the Pentagon and our entire government. We are such pussies. Tell Afghanistan so suck a dick. Nothing like invading nations, forcing them to comply, being the most powerful nation in the world and then always acting like a complete pussy.

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Comments (189)

  • Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    I'm with ANT on this one. I mean, that's the point. No one is upset that we killed these people. They're upset that their rotting flesh is being pissed on. It's totally illogical!

  • In reply to blastoise
    Rupert Pupkin's picture

    blastoise:
    how long does it take to train a sniper though bc if it's like ~ 6+ months i doubt these guys will have anything done to them

    A lot of the guys in Sniper platoons aren't school trained snipers. With the frequency of the deployments over the past decade, only about 50% at most are school trained. In the Marine Corps it doesn't matter how much they've spent training you, if you fuck up this bad you're getting NJP at least, but most likely a Court Marshall for these guys.

  • In reply to Rupert Pupkin
    cplpayne's picture

    Rupert Pupkin:
    cplpayne:
    Damn, I bet it really sucks to be in 3/2 right now.

    No shit man. Post-deployment leave is going to be changed to a 96 haha.

    3/2's command would lock down the Battalion for the entire weekend if one Marine got a DUI.....They are probably going to the field for month in order to avoid any new attention, really sucks.

    "One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger

  • Cash4Gold's picture

    I can't see how this spreads the good will of democracy or will generate a positive view of Americans worldwide. I suppose the easiest way to solve this controversy is to put an end to eternal nation building!

  • Bondarb's picture

    ok i will be the only one who says the obvious truth...the us military is a source of evil and oppression in the world. Had we not been in afghanistan these poor saps (both the soldiers and the afghans they pissed on) would have productive lives in front of them...now they all are deader then fried chicken including the marines who will live with this the rest of their lives. As the sayijng goes, war is equally humiliating for the victors and the vanquished.

  • Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    Yes, impoverished, uneducated Islamic fascists had productive lives ahead of them murdering gays, subjugating women, and executing heretics.

  • In reply to Virginia Tech 4ever
    Jerome Marrow's picture

    Virginia Tech 4ever:
    Yes, impoverished, uneducated Islamic fascists had productive lives ahead of them murdering gays, subjugating women, and executing heretics.

    Yes, I'm sure these lowly gentlemen here were murdering many gays. You almost seem to believe the propaganda. These combatants were likely impoverished people with little other opportunity and were probably offered a few bucks by some local warlord to 'fight'.

    The fact is, everyone involved is worse off and the situation is not improving. Many thousands dead with nothing of note, and now all those involved in this incident are worse off for it taking place.

  • Jerome Marrow's picture

    The fact anybody thinks that it is commendable and acceptable for a professional soldier to act in this manner is simply out of their mind insane. I can't think of any possible way to justify the actions and any way you think about it, it is absolutely horrible. From the perspective of a human being with some idea of humanity, as one soldier to another, as an American, as somebody who is supposed to be a professional, somebody who is expected to be an adult and role model, somebody who is supposed to be bringing liberty/freedom/etc.... coming from any of those perspectives, it is simply despicable.

  • Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    Give these kids a break. They risked their lives to go fight and they sure as hell went through a lot of shit, both emotionally and physically. One of the kids I knew from my middle school went to Iraq as a marine, and returned home with a leg missing. Those crazy motherfuckers in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan throw all kinds of shit at you, including suicide bombing via all kinds of vehicles disguised as civilians. You never know when bombs are coming to get you, and these U.S. soldiers are stressed and paranoid as fuck about their safety.

    It is completely rational that these marines have a hard feelings towards these motherfuckers, and it should be natural for them to wanting to take a piss or shit on enemy's corpses, secretly or explicitly. Now, I think it was retarded of them to film this shit, but still, give them a break.

    I would be really disappointed if they get harsh punishment. Like some others in this thread mentioned, which is worse: killing people or taking piss on a corpse? The guy that deserves all the blame for all this mess is George Bush, not these young men who fought bravely and risked their lives.

  • In reply to Sexy_Like_Enrique
    Jerome Marrow's picture

    Sexy_Like_Enrique:
    Give these kids a break. They risked their lives to go fight and they sure as hell went through a lot of shit, both emotionally and physically. One of the kids I knew from my middle school went to Iraq as a marine, and returned home with a leg missing. Those crazy motherfuckers in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan throw all kinds of shit at you, including suicide bombing via all kinds of vehicles disguised as civilians. You never know when bombs are coming to get you, and these U.S. soldiers are stressed and paranoid as fuck about their safety.

    It is completely rational that these marines have a hard feelings towards these motherfuckers, and it should be natural for them to wanting to take a piss or shit on enemy's corpses, secretly or explicitly. Now, I think it was retarded of them to film this shit, but still, give them a break.

    I would be really disappointed if they get harsh punishment. Like some others in this thread mentioned, which is worse: killing people or taking piss on a corpse? The guy that deserves all the blame for all this mess is George Bush, not these young men who fought bravely and risked their lives.

    We have a completely volunteer military and these people are supposed to be treated and act as adults.

    Give them a break because they are stressed out/went through shit? Unfortunately, we don't even know the circumstances by which they did this or if these were even militants they were pissing on!

    I also apparently have had far different experiences with military folks than most people. While I respect the need for a strong military, I 'support the troops' (in the sense I wish for their safe arrival back home with a productive life and wish them the best in their efforts), and I think the idea of providing service for your community and society is a noble one that is worth honoring, most of the people that went into the military from my high school were utter shitheads and their service was not out of a feeling of a duty to their nation, but because of a last resort. Then again, a couple people from my college did go into the military and they were great people, so perhaps I had a very biased view, but the theme seems to be common and this event along with many others seems to corroborate the shithead view.

  • Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    Well, at least they didn't piss on enemies while they were alive. If I was a soldier deployed, I would have done things far worse than this out of stress and my hatred for these motherfuckers. If I was a soldier deployed, I would actually piss and take shit on these fuckers while they're still alive. And, I am sure many others would have done things that are far worse than this if they were deployed to fight in Afghanistan.

    For example, in Germany during WWII many German soldiers raped young Jewish women, only to later send them to concentration camps to be killed by poison gases. In war, people do stupid and brutal shit, and it is human nature. How can you fucking risk your life and fight against enemies when you have the kindest of intentions and manners towards your enemies? That's bullshit.

  • Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    It never ceases to amaze me how the American far left identifies with and defends Islamic fascists. Never was there a terrorist, wife beating, gay slauhtering, daughter flogging, child raping, heretic killing, journalist beheading, Jew exploding, Bible burning piece of shit Islamo Nazi that an American leftist didn't sympathize with. Yes, it's the American marines who are shitheads and the Islamo Nazis who hide in elementary schools and hospitals who are the victims. It's the Islamo Nazis who blow up buses and ram planes into offices buildings that deserve our sympathy. Boo hoo. Poor POS terrorist got his body pissed on. Cry me a yellow river.

  • In reply to Sexy_Like_Enrique
    Jerome Marrow's picture

    Sexy_Like_Enrique:
    Well, at least they didn't piss on enemies while they were alive. If I was a soldier deployed, I would have done things far worse than this out of stress and my hatred for these motherfuckers. If I was a soldier deployed, I would actually piss and take shit on these fuckers while they're still alive. And, I am sure many others would have done things that are far worse than this if they were deployed to fight in Afghanistan.
    Then you simply aren't mentally fit for the job and shouldn't be sent over there. People that go crazy on the trading floor would be pulled from the pit immediately.

    For example, in Germany during WWII many German soldiers raped young Jewish women, only to later send them to concentration camps to be killed by poison gases. In war, people do stupid and brutal shit, and it is human nature. How can you fucking risk your life and fight against enemies when you have the kindest of intentions and manners towards your enemies? That's bullshit.

    And you believe that is somehow justifiable? That fact is going to somehow make urinating on somebody okay or tolerable?

    Remember, these guys VOLUNTEERED to do this job and are paid to do this job. They ought to act like professionals if they are going to be treated with respect, which it seems many have not earned.

  • In reply to Jerome Marrow
    Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    Jerome Marrow:
    Sexy_Like_Enrique:
    Well, at least they didn't piss on enemies while they were alive. If I was a soldier deployed, I would have done things far worse than this out of stress and my hatred for these motherfuckers. If I was a soldier deployed, I would actually piss and take shit on these fuckers while they're still alive. And, I am sure many others would have done things that are far worse than this if they were deployed to fight in Afghanistan.
    Then you simply aren't mentally fit for the job and shouldn't be sent over there. People that go crazy on the trading floor would be pulled from the pit immediately.

    For example, in Germany during WWII many German soldiers raped young Jewish women, only to later send them to concentration camps to be killed by poison gases. In war, people do stupid and brutal shit, and it is human nature. How can you fucking risk your life and fight against enemies when you have the kindest of intentions and manners towards your enemies? That's bullshit.

    And you believe that is somehow justifiable? That fact is going to somehow make urinating on somebody okay or tolerable?

    Remember, these guys VOLUNTEERED to do this job and are paid to do this job. They ought to act like professionals if they are going to be treated with respect, which it seems many have not earned.

    Your only argument seems that these marines volunteered to go fight, and thus they should act 'professionally'.

    That is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you are sent to a war by a draft or by will. People are same. When you fight against these crazy fuckers and witness your buddies getting killed and injured left and right, it is completely natural, as humans, to grow hatred against your enemies.

    And, are you honestly comparing your job in trading to fighting war in Iraq or Afghanistan? Worst thing that can happen to you in trading is you suck and get fired. Worst that can happen to you if you go to Afghanistan is you get caught by one of these fuckers, get filmed begging for your life as a hostage, and get filmed while your head is chopped off.

    That brings another point: these Islamic fuckers fucking ALWAYS film their hostages begging for their lives, and they also FILM their hostages getting tortured and getting BEHEADED. And many times, these hostages are actually civilians not soldiers, which is even more insane and more brutal. I don't know about you, but I think these U.S. marines are actually being very modest and considerate compared to those Islamic fuckers.

  • In reply to Sexy_Like_Enrique
    Jerome Marrow's picture

    Sexy_Like_Enrique:

    Your only argument seems that these marines volunteered to go fight, and thus they should act 'professionally'.
    My argument is that if somebody willfully chooses to expose himself to these situations, he ought to be expected to act in an appropriate manner and, if he cannot do that, he ought to be punished as will happen here.

    That is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you are sent to a war by a draft or by will. People are same. When you fight against these crazy fuckers and witness your buddies getting killed and injured left and right, it is completely natural, as humans, to grow hatred against your enemies.
    The contention is whether or not this behavior should be tolerated and accepted and the answer is that it should not be.

    And, are you honestly comparing your job in trading to fighting war in Iraq or Afghanistan? Worst thing that can happen to you in trading is you suck and get fired. Worst that can happen to you if you go to Afghanistan is you get caught by one of these fuckers, get filmed begging for your life as a hostage, and get filmed while your head is chopped off.
    I'm comparing the fact that we both choose to get involved in these activities and you accept the situation for what it is. If you cannot act in an appropriate manner you must suffer the consequences as it cannot be tolerated.

    That brings another point: these Islamic fuckers fucking ALWAYS film their hostages begging for their lives, and they also FILM their hostages getting tortured and getting BEHEADED. I don't know about you, but I think these U.S. marines are actually being very modest and considerate compared to those Islamic fuckers.

    Always? How often does that occur? Give me a fucking break. That's like saying every Muslim is a terrorist. Further, how does that horrible action justify another horrible action? It is completely illogical.

  • Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    How do you make a moral equivalency to beheading journalists and pissing on dead bodies? THAT'S completely illogical. How are these equally "horrible" actions?

  • Jerome Marrow's picture

    Who said or implied that they were equivalent? One is murder, the other is desecration of a body ( although who knows how or why those men were killed to begin with). Simply because one is 'worse' doesn't justify or make okay the other. A terrible action is sill terrible and I certainly don't see that these particular guys did any of those actions you claim are common.

  • In reply to Virginia Tech 4ever
    freemarketeer's picture

    Virginia Tech 4ever:
    It never ceases to amaze me how the American far left identifies with and defends Islamic fascists. Never was there a terrorist, wife beating, gay slauhtering, daughter flogging, child raping, heretic killing, journalist beheading, Jew exploding, Bible burning piece of shit Islamo Nazi that an American leftist didn't sympathize with. Yes, it's the American marines who are shitheads and the Islamo Nazis who hide in elementary schools and hospitals who are the victims. It's the Islamo Nazis who blow up buses and ram planes into offices buildings that deserve our sympathy. Boo hoo. Poor POS terrorist got his body pissed on. Cry me a yellow river.

    How much of that do you actually believe? I seriously would like an answer. I can make the rebuttal that the American far right are xenophobic sadists who have never cared about the"collateral damage" of this global war on terror, which actually helps the Islamist terrorist movement sustain itself. If that wasn't enough, the sentiment expressed in this thread (and, say, Fox news and all conservative politicians who subscribe to hawkish foreign policy theory) validates the conspiracy theories espoused that "we" are targeting "them", which also aids the recruitment of terrorists. SO STOP HATING AMERICA.

    Videos like this harm America and our troops, so I'd not support this bullshit. Don't be obtuse just so you can disagree with people of a different political persuasion.

  • In reply to Jerome Marrow
    cphbravo96's picture

    Jerome Marrow:
    Give them a break because they are stressed out/went through shit? Unfortunately, we don't even know the circumstances by which they did this or if these were even militants they were pissing on!

    Did you forget the part where they are standing over dead bodies? Do you do that often? Do you kill people often enough to dismiss the apparently fucked up situation these people are in?

    Regards

    "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
    - Ronald Reagan

  • Brady4MVP's picture

    HUGE mancrush on ANT. His post hit it out of the park. I'm getting so fucking tired of the U.S. media apologizing for every mistake the military makes while completely ignoring the daily cruelty that the taliban imposes on its people. The liberals hate the military; there is no doubt about this.

  • In reply to pingafrita
    leveredarb's picture

    pingafrita:
    I stopped reading after the first paragraph...you sound more like a nutty hick with each post I spend time reading..

    whilst id usually agree with you that ant's political views are somewhere between batshit insane and fucking nuts, this time i fully agree with him for a change. well put ant.

  • Ambitious88's picture

    Making a video of this was beyond idiotic. The problem with recording it, etc. is twofold:

    1) Every uneducated Afghani who sees something like that will start thinking that the U.S. is against them -- do you think they understand the war? A recent survey showed that 92% of Afghanis in rural Pashtun Afghanistan don't even know what 9/11 was. These are uneducated, piss poor people with no jobs. The Taliban are recruiting Afghanis to join their cause for a wage because these people have no other way of feeding themselves. Imagine the Taliban showing a video like this to Afghanis and saying "here's what the occupiers think of you." Afghanis who know no better will line up to join the Taliban. What good is killing three if it creates 30 more? In short, these idiotic Marines just put their fellow troops in more danger.

    2) This is going to get worldwide international condemnation (and already is). That'll just complicate our mission in Afghanistan and make it more difficult to get Afghanis to side with us. The Marines are supposed to be the best of the best. We should hold them to higher standards instead of making excuses for them.

  • In reply to cphbravo96
    Jerome Marrow's picture

    cphbravo96:
    Jerome Marrow:
    Give them a break because they are stressed out/went through shit? Unfortunately, we don't even know the circumstances by which they did this or if these were even militants they were pissing on!

    Did you forget the part where they are standing over dead bodies? Do you do that often? Do you kill people often enough to dismiss the apparently fucked up situation these people are in?

    Regards

    Wait, so killing somebody gives you the right to act like a piece of shit? Standard apologist for the military. If we are to honor and respect the troops, it should be for the positive things they do at home and abroad. Actions like this are among the most deplorable and apologizing for those activities sure makes it difficult to justify the blind support most receive.

    They chose to be in this situation. Unfortunately for everybody, they are now going to face consequences which will haunt them for the rest of their lives, as they ought to.

  • In reply to Jerome Marrow
    cphbravo96's picture

    Jerome Marrow:
    cphbravo96:
    Jerome Marrow:
    Give them a break because they are stressed out/went through shit? Unfortunately, we don't even know the circumstances by which they did this or if these were even militants they were pissing on!

    Did you forget the part where they are standing over dead bodies? Do you do that often? Do you kill people often enough to dismiss the apparently fucked up situation these people are in?

    Regards

    Wait, so killing somebody gives you the right to act like a piece of shit? Standard apologist for the military. If we are to honor and respect the troops, it should be for the positive things they do at home and abroad. Actions like this are among the most deplorable and apologizing for those activities sure makes it difficult to justify the blind support most receive.

    They chose to be in this situation. Unfortunately for everybody, they are now going to face consequences which will haunt them for the rest of their lives, as they ought to.

    I was merely point out that you are ignorant for question whether these soldiers could possibly be stressed out from the situation they are in. They are sitting in the fucking middle east, away from anyone that loves them and have the potential to die any day. Is there really any question as to the circumstances they face everyday?

    I'm sorry we aren't sending the family of these militants Hallmark cards...if only we did that the world would be at peace. Fucking idiot.

    Regards

    "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
    - Ronald Reagan

  • TNA's picture

    Consequences that will haunt them for life? Dude, I would piss on them also. In fact, I think pissing on them is a pretty normal response.

    These animals target their own people. How many innocent Afghani's have died through suicide bombing. If you think normal Afghani people like the Taliban or appreciated their rule you are fucking nuts.

    God bless these Marines. Keep pissing on all of those scumbags.

  • In reply to cphbravo96
    Jerome Marrow's picture

    cphbravo96:
    I was merely point out that you are ignorant for question whether these soldiers could possibly be stressed out from the situation they are in. They are sitting in the fucking middle east, away from anyone that loves them and have the potential to die any day. Is there really any question as to the circumstances they face everyday?
    Who questioned whether or not their stress was legitimate? I question how they act out on it, which should be done. Do you think that the actions of the militants is justified? Because they are certainly under a lot of stress and duress, much of which was directly caused by the United States. I would say it isn't, but with your logic, nobody can judge them.

    I'm sorry we aren't sending the family of these militants Hallmark cards...if only we did that the world would be at peace. Fucking idiot.
    Another uneducated, unintelligent person from the military. Good work, guy! Making you and your peers seem like just terrific people and living up to all the stereotypes that exist.

    Believe it or not, there is a way to both do your job and act like a reasonable human being. Their actions don't even make sense for their own cause because, as others have pointed out, it will simply act as recruiting material and fuel to the fires of many potential terrorists and combatants.

  • In reply to TNA
    Jerome Marrow's picture

    ANT:
    Consequences that will haunt them for life? Dude, I would piss on them also. In fact, I think pissing on them is a pretty normal response.
    They are going to be severely punished for their acts. They will likely end up in jail for years, have a DD, and their names will be in the papers for all to see. Their actions will lead to more combatants. I think those are reasonably expected consequences of their actions that we can all recognize will happen, regardless of whether or not you agree with what they did. If you think pissing on 3 dead men is worth all of that, then more power to you.


    These animals target their own people. How many innocent Afghani's have died through suicide bombing. If you think normal Afghani people like the Taliban or appreciated their rule you are fucking nuts.
    There is no evidence that these guys were necessarily even militants. Our own military men have been found to abuse prisoners (many of whom were later found to be innocent), kill animals, rape women, ravage cities, and now desecrate bodies. I don't think we are all too innocent here even if you believe in our cause.

  • Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    I think it's about time U.S. pulls out of Middle East once and for all. Who gives shit if Taliban exists and Islamic extremists do all kinds of crazy shit over there? This war on Iraq has to be the most retarded war ever in human history, and it has no purpose nor any worth. No American gives a shit if Taliban guys want to blow up Afghani or Iraqi people. Let's face it - a war on Iraq or Afghanistan won't completely erase the root and cause of Taliban or Islamic extremists. We need to worry about shit that exists back in U.S., such as unemployment, fucked up economy, ridiculous cost of education and health care, loads of fucked up Mexican gangsters in LA, etc

  • TNA's picture

    We really need to stop with this idea that education makes you something special. I have two fucking masters and I support pissing on these people. Am I uneducated? Get the fuck real.

    Romans use to wash their hair with piss and pissing on your feet helps with athletes foot. If anything the Marines are helping these guys out in an ancient Roman tradition.

    Fucking people in this country pay to get pissed on and these terrorists got a freebie. What kind souls.

  • In reply to Jerome Marrow
    Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    Jerome Marrow:
    ANT:
    Consequences that will haunt them for life? Dude, I would piss on them also. In fact, I think pissing on them is a pretty normal response.
    They are going to be severely punished for their acts. They will likely end up in jail for years, have a DD, and their names will be in the papers for all to see. Their actions will lead to more combatants. I think those are reasonably expected consequences of their actions that we can all recognize will happen, regardless of whether or not you agree with what they did. If you think pissing on 3 dead men is worth all of that, then more power to you.


    These animals target their own people. How many innocent Afghani's have died through suicide bombing. If you think normal Afghani people like the Taliban or appreciated their rule you are fucking nuts.
    There is no evidence that these guys were necessarily even militants. Our own military men have been found to abuse prisoners (many of whom were later found to be innocent), kill animals, rape women, ravage cities, and now desecrate bodies. I don't think we are all too innocent here even if you believe in our cause.

    You really think pissing on enemies' corpses warrants these soldiers ending up in a jail for years? The most appropriate punishment that I see fit is military send these marines for soup kitchen and let them do two weeks of community service. That's it.

  • In reply to Sexy_Like_Enrique
    Jerome Marrow's picture

    Sexy_Like_Enrique:
    You really think pissing on enemies' corpses warrants these soldiers ending up in a jail for years? The most appropriate punishment that I see fit is military send these marines for soup kitchen and let them do two weeks of community service. That's it.

    Did I say that? I am stating what the likely consequences will be. I imagine desecrating a corpse is only a portion of what they did and, from a PR perspective, those in charge of the punishment will be apt to throw the book at them. There is rarely an appropriate reaction to anything and while I believe many people here are far underreacting by supporting these guys, there will most likely be an overreaction in the discipline they receive because of the nature of this incident.

  • TNA's picture

    Nothing will happen to these guys past losing rank or something. This story has jack shit legs. Just wait until we start bombing Iran and this will fade away.

    I think you have to live a decent life to be desecrated in death. If these guys are part of the Taliban, the same Taliban that subjugates women, murders gays, and other crimes against humanity, then pissing on their body is not desecration, it is appropriate.

    People pissed on Mussolini. I don't think that was desecration but deserved.

  • Bondarb's picture

    both ANT and VaTech sound like 12 year old fanboys who have a hard-on for the marine corps...you guys should actually enlist rather then sitting here halfway across the world talking tough about how violent you would be if you were over there. Give it up already, you arent tough and you are posting on a board about finance. ANT you should go back to giving advice about whether Vilanova or Syracuse has a better masters program.

  • TNA's picture

    Yeah pal, respecting one of America's finest fighting forces is being a fanboi. Sorry if I am not crying about a bunch of soldiers pissing on an enemy combatant.

    Last time I checked this post was put in the off topics section. If you are going to get so uptight about people discussing non finance things you might want to avoid the off topics forum. I suppose being passive aggressive is more pleasurable to you.

  • In reply to Bondarb
    Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    Bondarb:
    both ANT and VaTech sound like 12 year old fanboys who have a hard-on for the marine corps...you guys should actually enlist rather then sitting here halfway across the world talking tough about how violent you would be if you were over there. Give it up already, you arent tough and you are posting on a board about finance. ANT you should go back to giving advice about whether Vilanova or Syracuse has a better masters program.

    Please, PLEASE, for the love of Christ, quote anything AT ALL that I said that could even possibly be remotely construed as me saying what I would do. What you just said about me is a transaparent and verifiable lie. Please, PLEASE quote me as to where I said I would piss on their corpses or what I would do. PLEASE.

  • In reply to freemarketeer
    Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    freemarketeer:
    Virginia Tech 4ever:
    It never ceases to amaze me how the American far left identifies with and defends Islamic fascists. Never was there a terrorist, wife beating, gay slauhtering, daughter flogging, child raping, heretic killing, journalist beheading, Jew exploding, Bible burning piece of shit Islamo Nazi that an American leftist didn't sympathize with. Yes, it's the American marines who are shitheads and the Islamo Nazis who hide in elementary schools and hospitals who are the victims. It's the Islamo Nazis who blow up buses and ram planes into offices buildings that deserve our sympathy. Boo hoo. Poor POS terrorist got his body pissed on. Cry me a yellow river.

    How much of that do you actually believe? I seriously would like an answer. I can make the rebuttal that the American far right are xenophobic sadists who have never cared about the"collateral damage" of this global war on terror, which actually helps the Islamist terrorist movement sustain itself. If that wasn't enough, the sentiment expressed in this thread (and, say, Fox news and all conservative politicians who subscribe to hawkish foreign policy theory) validates the conspiracy theories espoused that "we" are targeting "them", which also aids the recruitment of terrorists. SO STOP HATING AMERICA.

    Videos like this harm America and our troops, so I'd not support this bullshit. Don't be obtuse just so you can disagree with people of a different political persuasion.

    Since you can't read between the lines, I'll lay this out in plain English. I was responding to the poster who was bashing American soliders as douchebags and shitheads while defending the poor little Taliban fighters. The American Left always ALWAYS bashes American soldiers and is always the first to defend Islamo Nazis. The so-called American progressive that is for gay rights, women's rights, religious freedom, etc. never expresses outrage at the Islamic world for executing gays, beheading journalists, and for oppressing and mutiliating women. No, it's the marines who piss on rotting flesh who are the bad guys. In the demented mind of the American left the guys who are fighting for Islamic fascism are the good guys. That's what's so demented and fucked up about the psychology of the American leftist.

  • Bondarb's picture

    BTW ask these actual soldiers, who now face real consequences for their actions (unlike you), whether they are happy they did this and my guess is that their answers will be signifigantly less gung ho then yours. Truth be told, the Afghans they pissed on at least have the balls to pick up weapons and defend what they believe in, unlike you guys who talk about how our military should be invading all these countries but you would be shitting your pants if you were ever asked to actually participate.

  • EPS's picture

    It's about meaning. Objectively, yes, the Afghans in the video were already deceased and so the marines urinating on them did not hurt them any further...and yes, it is obviously worse to be killed than to be pissed on, nobody is arguing otherwise.

    The issue here is the meaning that the action brings with it. Pissing on a corpse does not adversely affect anyone when examined from an objective standpoint. Unfortunately, most people do not think or act in objective terms. The desecration of corpses is considered to be a serious taboo amongst most cultures worldwide and is certainly NOT the type of action that should be tolerated AT ALL in the military, let alone the planet's foremost "first-world" military that is attempting to establish peace and democracy in the Middle East through nation building.

    The actions of these marines exemplify the very reason why the US has fucked up nearly every military engagement that it has been involved in since WWII. Without "winning the hearts and minds" of the people that an army occupies, it stands absolutely no chance of generating the popular support that it so desperately needs to be truly victorious in an endeavor to instill its own ideals in other cultures. The actions of these marines have only given the recruiters for anti-American groups more ammunition to inspire more hatred toward our nation.

    Impossible is nothing

  • Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    "[F]or instance, 16 IEDs have been planted in girls' schools" by the Taliban in 2008.

    If these rat leftists expressed 1/100th the outrage at Islamo fascists for their human rights violations as they do at a marines for pissing on dead bodies then I'd have at least a modicum of respect for them. The fact is, American leftists hate the United States and sympathize with radical Islam's hatred of the United States. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Leftists see Islamo Nazis as their temporary allies.

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    Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    EPS:
    It's about meaning. Objectively, yes, the Afghans in the video were already deceased and so the marines urinating on them did not hurt them any further...and yes, it is obviously worse to be killed than to be pissed on, nobody is arguing otherwise.

    The issue here is the meaning that the action brings with it. Pissing on a corpse does not adversely affect anyone when examined from an objective standpoint. Unfortunately, most people do not think or act in objective terms. The desecration of corpses is considered to be a serious taboo amongst most cultures worldwide and is certainly NOT the type of action that should be tolerated AT ALL in the military, let alone the planet's foremost "first-world" military that is attempting to establish peace and democracy in the Middle East through nation building.

    The actions of these marines exemplify the very reason why the US has fucked up nearly every military engagement that it has been involved in since WWII. Without "winning the hearts and minds" of the people that an army occupies, it stands absolutely no chance of generating the popular support that it so desperately needs to be truly victorious in an endeavor to instill its own ideals in other cultures. The actions of these marines have only given the recruiters for anti-American groups more ammunition to inspire more hate toward our nation.

    This is entirely false. You don't win the hearts and minds of your enemy. Just like in World War 2, you seek absolute victory or no victory at all. You either fight a war 100% or you don't fight it at all. All the cluserfuck wars the U.S. has been involved in have been wars where we have no sought absolute victory, from Korea to Vietnam to the Gulf War to Iraq to Afghanistan to Somalia. You don't win the hearts and minds of Nazis, of Stalinists, of Islamo fascists. We have no business in Afghanistan because there is no country to defeat, no war to win, no finite mission to accomplish.

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    Jerome Marrow's picture

    Virginia Tech 4ever:
    "[F]or instance, 16 IEDs have been planted in girls' schools" by the Taliban in 2008.

    If these rat leftists expressed 1/100th the outrage at Islamo fascists for their human rights violations as they do at a marines for pissing on dead bodies then I'd have at least a modicum of respect for them. The fact is, American leftists hate the United States and sympathize with radical Islam's hatred of the United States. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Leftists see Islamo Nazis as their temporary allies.

    lol who has said anything about supporting militants? Why are you even bringing this up? How would this at all make what the Marines did okay? Killing being worse than desecration does not make desecration okay.

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    TNA's picture

    Bondarb:
    BTW ask these actual soldiers, who now face real consequences for their actions (unlike you), whether they are happy they did this and my guess is that their answers will be signifigantly less gung ho then yours. Truth be told, the Afghans they pissed on at least have the balls to pick up weapons and defend what they believe in, unlike you guys who talk about how our military should be invading all these countries but you would be shitting your pants if you were ever asked to actually participate.

    Why are you still posting? Go hang out in the finance forum and leave off topics alone. I don't want to hear any more of your crying.

    And great logic. I can't support the troops or think punishing these guys for a silly mistake is wrong simply because I haven't served. So is military service the only qualified? My buddy who did two tours in Iraq thinks it is perfectly fine what the Marines did. Does that make his statement the word of God?

  • Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    The point I'm making is that the leftist media, Democrats and Ron Paul people never express outrage at the breathtaking subhumanity of the Islamo Nazis around the world. They are quick to take a bad incident like this and apply "shitheads" to the entirety of the Marine Corps. Where is their outrage at the targeting and murdering of civilians by the Taliban? Why aren't they saying, "My God! What the Marines did was bad and they should be punished, but it's hard to not sympathize with their feelings toward the Taliban, which places bombs inside elementary schools so that they can kill 8-year-old girls for learning"?

    Why is your knee jerk reaction to bash the Marine Corps and the United States? What is the demented psychology behind this thinking?

  • Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    it is kind of hilarious that these marines filmed this shit. When you commit an act that has potential to be condemned for whatever reason, you never leave any evidence.

    for the record, i bet there are many other soldiers who did this kind of shit, except they didn't film themselves doing it.

  • TNA's picture

    The left only cares about foreign people when it can make the USA look bad. When the Taliban was killing innocent people or desecrating other religions they could care less. When US soldiers make a silly mistake they jump all over it. Hypocrites to the max.

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    TNA's picture

    Sexy_Like_Enrique:
    it is kind of hilarious that these marines filmed this shit. When you commit an act that has potential to be condemned for whatever reason, you never leave any evidence.

    for the record, i bet there are many other soldiers who did this kind of shit, except they didn't film themselves doing it.

    Exactly. The only crime they committed was filming this. We should punish them for doing so. Next time people piss on dead terrorists they must not film that shit.

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    EPS's picture

    Virginia Tech 4ever:

    This is entirely false. You don't win the hearts and minds of your enemy. Just like in World War 2, you seek absolute victory or no victory at all. You either fight a war 100% or you don't fight it at all. All the cluserfuck wars the U.S. has been involved in have been wars where we have no sought absolute victory, from Korea to Vietnam to the Gulf War to Iraq to Afghanistan to Somalia. You don't win the hearts and minds of Nazis, of Stalinists, of Islamo fascists. We have no business in Afghanistan because there is no country to defeat, no war to win, no finite mission to accomplish.

    LOL are you kidding? We haven't been fighting nations with standing armies like we did in WWII, we've been fighting ideals and trying to instill our own in populations that aren't receptive to them. There can be no absolute victory through military might in these situations, as I would think the results of the US failing to do this very thing on numerous occasions since WWII would prove to you. Winning in these situations means not doing excessively fucked up shit to make more of the civilians hate the United States and take up arms to support the cause against the USA.

    ANT:
    The left only cares about foreign people when it can make the USA look bad. When the Taliban was killing innocent people or desecrating other religions they could care less. When US soldiers make a silly mistake they jump all over it. Hypocrites to the max.

    I consider myself to be of the right, and I can admit that military personnel are not infallible to the extent that people are making them out to be, and that perhaps pissing on those we kill is not in our best interest. Am I supportive of the Taliban? Fuck no. But it doesn't take a genius to see that our current tactic of occupying a nation and trying to change the culture to be more receptive to US ideals cannot work when things like this occur. I agree with you on most of your posts, but think that this pretty clearly not something to be applauded.

    Impossible is nothing

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    Ambitious88's picture

    ANT:
    These animals target their own people. How many innocent Afghani's have died through suicide bombing. If you think normal Afghani people like the Taliban or appreciated their rule you are fucking nuts.

    Then explain why the Taliban has been growing steadily, not shrinking, since 2004. We Americans see people on TV dying through Taliban-led suicide bombings. Do the Afghanis see that? Not at all. A lot of them (including innocents) just see US troops breaking into their houses, killing their family members, etc.

    These people barely have clean food, let alone access to news sources, especially in the southern rural areas of Afghanistan. Taliban reps actively recruit them, promising them wages when have no access to clean water or healthcare. The Taliban pose as freedom fighters, not oppressors, and the locals know no better. When Taliban recruiters show videos people getting pissed on to Afghanis, do you think the viewers rationalize that the subjects are Taliban? No, they just see a white man urinating on an Afghani man. They don't see Taliban vs. non-Taliban. That prompts them to join the Taliban's struggle, i.e. strengthens the Taliban.

    I'm not saying their thought-process is logical since the Taliban were absolutely and unequivocally one of the most oppressive governments in recent memory. But check the results of any Afghani poll. Most of them feel more afraid and less secure than they did under Taliban rule.

    And we sit here under the delusion that there aren't going to be any consequences to this video. In reality, all this does is strengthen the Taliban and put more of our forces in danger. Exactly what we don't need.

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