Master in Management
Hello,
First something about my background. I did a social sciences degree in a global top 25 school in the field of sociology. 7/10 GPA and for my final thesis an 8/10.
After, I did an internship for the capital markets team in a big global real estate brokerage company, and I wish to pursue the field further for a few years.
Now I'm finishing a study abroad program in another European country. I learned the language (an important one) but I have nothing else to show for the exchange program itself.
But I have an entrepreneurial venture going on (still in very early phase)
Now I have the option to start in a Global Top 70 Master in Management (with a short duration and high focus on financial subjects), which would perhaps grant me access without GMAT.
The alternative is to apply directly towards a higher ranked master in management, say, top 25, but that would imply that I could start later (at least half a year but maybe a year), and the duration of the program would be much longer (as a lot of MiMs are 2-3 years). The experience might be great but I think a Global Top 70 MiM that is locally regarded quite good, might also give me a good foundation to pursue a real estate or finance degree in a higher ranked top institution later on.
Question is:
Go for the Top 70 MiM that would give me access quicker and is quite good for finance and investments, and pursue specialization later on a higher ranked institution?
or,
Wait half a year or a year, apply for top 25 MiM, and pursue specialization later on a higher ranked institution?
I'm 23 years old, no particular 'Business School' education yet. Not really in a hurry but at the same moment I am. Funding is taken care of.
unless you want to switch a continent for your work, MiM is probably unnecessary. Global top 25 isn't enough?
Top 70? So 69th ranked MiM program?
I would not go out and collect degrees. Look into some real estate programs (think LSE, Oxford maybe Cass etc.) if thats what you want but do not pursue a top 70 MiM (Really meaning it is ranked in the sixties in regard to MiMs? thats waaaaay to low to have any positive impact).
Hmm the MiM is regarded quite good in the local real estate sector (because the school offers good Real Estate MBA), so real estate companies see it as something that deepens my financial understanding. Afterwards I could pursue a traineeship (and I saw already that they don't NEED specific real estate masters, but it might help). The thing is, a real estate master might be better suited for me but it would imply that I can start a year later or something. I think I would do one or two masters in total and I don't want to choose something too 'low' for me. But the MiM I was talking about, was actually recommended by my internship supervisor at the real estate company.
How bad would it be to start a year later if the program suits my needs better?
My main drawback is that I still lack a proper financial education foundation, but I am aware that real estate programs offer me more in terms of knowledge, network and opportunities.
Well i am currently a student at ESCP which is regarded as one of the best schools for the MiM. The Masters in Management is a great degree and has a great scope of getting you placed in good schools. But there is a BIG BUT here, well we all know that the MiM is still relatively new and people are still wrapping their heads around it, especially HR departments of big firms. Now if you have the brand name of a big school (say top 20 ) behind you, the school usually has a really good reputation for imparting quality education and also has long standing tie ups with corporate's who actively recruits from their ranks. This really works well for students as they get picked up pretty fast. Atleast this is something that i have seen in my school and several others. With schools such as DUKE, LBS, LSE, HEC offering the MiM, trust in the degree is building , but still the opportunities you get from these schools far outrank those given by the lower ranked schools both in terms of exposure and job opportunities. You only need to look at employment records of the schools to understand this. Hence i would advice wait a bit, beef up your profile & make it more competitive and then apply to a top 20 MiM school.
top 20 MiM school is almost a joke man. similar to top MAcc and MSF schools, not every top MBA school has specialized masters in everything. It's just pegging on their other cohorts, including part-time or full-time or executive MBAs. Cool to say you had the classes, but you got no experiences to back up your degrees
. You got impressive items but just gotta wake up man. If MiM are that great, then people can save money and just attend state school UG and MiM for a year, much cheaper. My goal is to encourage you to be realistic
please help yourself and use MBA rankings as a strong relative reference~
MiM entry level (Originally Posted: 11/15/2017)
I am considering receiving a MiM degree. I currently have a chemistry bachelor's. I was just wondering, since you can't really get a management position before you get some experience, what type of entry level jobs does a MiM qualify someone for?
MiM is basically an European degree. So i'll suggest you look at Europe. If you know one of the European Languages and are from a top school here different positions will open up to you. This is because in European MiM degrees you need to carry out internships.
So if you get a couple of very good internships you can either try BB Summer Internships or can do a full time in Europe and thene lateral to other countries.
Now what kind of positions you will get depends on what you are targetting. In Markets you can join Banks as structurers or sales or any of the myriad positions from FO to BO. Depends on you. You may also join an M&A team or if thats not your cup of tea join EBs as well.
But the major caveat is that you must learn one of the European Languages. 1 European Language + Fluent English and you are already more competetive than a majority of the candidates
Master in Management to land finance job: bad idea? (Originally Posted: 09/16/2017)
Dear monkeys, I would love to get your opinions about my situation.
I will graduate in July 2018 from a non-target (EU), and, like many others, I am considering attending a Msc in finance program. Having no relevant work experience, I am afraid a 10-month program won't be really beneficial to my odds of landing IB jobs.
So, the alternative I found is to attend a two-year Master in Management program (at a top EU school), which includes several corporate finance courses. Do you think that studying management instead of finance could harm my chances of breaking into IB? Are bankers biased towards someone who has attended less quantitative courses?
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated, thank you!
It depend from the school that offer those masters. For Management eg LBS MiM > a few MSc Finance courses. General rule in Uk is brand > major at the very least. Don't be surprised if you see ppl graduated in Politic Philosophy and Economics or Theology from LSE/Oxbridge stole financial job to recent graduate at Durham, QMUL, or other Eu universities (as much as good they are).
Generally speaking, most 2-year Master's programmes offer plenty of quantitative electives in the second year. However, seeing as I've come across bankers who studied History or Philosophy I highly doubt the number of quant courses you've taken during your studies alone will serve as a reasonable predictor of your chances.
You go to a target university? No one will care about your kind of major. You go to a semi target? Work good on majors to demonstrate your interest. Easy. As Marcus said Philosophy at Oxbridge >> Finance at RSM etc. (as target as RSM is)
Masters in Management for IB (Originally Posted: 01/11/2017)
I want to break into IB and applying for a Msc in Finance/Accounting at top schools such as LSE/HSG/Imperial/Bocconi/Warwick are smart moves of course.
I was wondering, with no prior-experience, if I don't get into a finance program - is it possible to apply for Masters in Management at these schools as well in order to break into IB? For example, a MIM from London Business school or Bocconi - would that be attractive for employers?
If someone has some knowledge about this:
Regarding the masters in finance - is GMAT more important than GPA? Is it worth considering applying to these with a 650 GMAT? Early rounds to prefer?
Yes. GMAT's definitely more important than GPA. Especially since different schools from different countries have different grading systems.
But beware! Despite this, your gmat score usually won't be enough to work your way out of a not-so-good GPA. Unless you have a 760-780, then, the admission comittees will most likely blink at an average GPA.
I'd prioritize early rounds. There are way more seats to fill. Chances are higher.
Apply to HEC Paris' Msc in International Finance. This program will get you into IB. The odds are 100%. You might only get a Tier-2 IB (UBS). But you'll be in IB. You might also end up at JPMorgan. This program is a gold-plated one for what you want.
Of course LBS MiM is an excellent choice for IB (even without prior internships). It's not like MBB consulting. Another great program for what you want is LSE's GMiM (2 years, summer internship, MBA business schools">M7 MBA semester exchange in 2nd year).
You should apply to StGallen's SIM and not the Finance&Accounting program. HSG's SIM is the royal road to IB at this school.
I don't know enough about Bocconi.
You should seriously put MiM above MFin in your plan. You'll have a better shot at landing IB at the best MiM (LBS, LSE, HEC, StGallen SIM). All these programs are taugh in english, btw.
Masters In Management (Originally Posted: 10/10/2010)
Hello everybody, am a newbie to this forum and in need of a reality check. I will complete my Engg degree in 2011 from Pune, India and am interested in doing a Masters in Management course from Europe. I have done some research and have also checked the FT rankings for this course. Now, the thing is that, I dont have exceptional grades during my bachelor course, but have a good gmat score of 720. My extra-curricular activities section is also pretty strong as I am the college football team captain and am actively involved with Greenpeace, Pune. Now i need an opinion rather a reality check as to which universities will accept a student who has a profile like me.....
Would appreciate any guidance.... Thank You.
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Why not look at the Duke MMS program. Great program with diverse placements. Off the top of my head I think LBS has a MMS. Not 100% so don't quote me.
MIT also has a masters in management studies
http://mitsloan.mit.edu/academic/msms/
Hi there, you find more than 300 Masters in Management at www.mim-compass.com. Check it out, Pepe
LBS has a great program. You don't hear about them much in the USA, but they are par with HBS in Europe. Do you have any interest in a MFin?
I would not go to the US for that (I did not when I could) because of immigration policies. That being said it is up to you to decide where you want to pursue your masters. The FT rank is a nice guide for it contains a lot of programs, nevertheless take into account that cultural fit is also a big part of the equation, and its not the same to study in spain, or Germany or the UK. Check LBS MiM, HEC, LBS, St Gallen, ESADE and Bocconi, which I believe are the some of the strongest programs. Now, the issue will be to find the ones that take more into account your extracurriculars than your grades. For grand ecoles you have a centralized application system, at least it was so two years ago. Review your finances before applying!. I truly wish you good luck, even if I half hate you already for having any relationship with greenpeace XD.
The UK has quite severe restrictions on student and work visas in place now.
Better to go the best school regardless of location. Its just as strict in the UK, probably even more as less companies would be willing to fund a work Visa.
That said, the best Management programs I am aware of are the Duke MMS, LBS, Ivey, HEC Paris, SSE
Why don't you have a look at the Master in Management Compass? There you can search for Masters in Management and Business and filter for your region of interest (Europe). Two thirds of the more than 400 Management Masters there do not require work experience - so you should find the right program there. By the way, your GMAT score of 720 is not "good" - it's awesome.
Master in Management Admissions (Originally Posted: 12/24/2014)
I am a fairly recent college graduate with not much work experience from a non-target school with a non-business major and an economics minor. I am interested in pursuing a Master in Management degree in the United States (preferably in the Midwest or South but am willing to go elsewhere) and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for schools that I should look into. My undergraduate GPA is 3.3 and my gmat score is 670. I am wondering if I would have a chance at places like Michigan, Duke, Notre Dame, and Wake Forest and if there were any other schools that I should look into that might accept me. Thank you.
MiM is much better recognized internationally - try LBS
Kellogg's MSMS program
Thank you for your replies. I will look further into the programs at LBS and NW.
LBS' MiM is an interesting program, because you can attend MBA events etc quite easily (not sure if this is encouraged) which gives you pretty good access to recruiters/alumni
You'll get into Wake and be competitive at Duke. ND is all about fit so that will be the thing that really determines your acceptance or rejection. Michigan, I don't really know. I'd say you'd be a reasonable applicant. Not too sure about their preferences, etc.
Thank you for your evaluation of my chances. Do you have any suggestions of other places I should look into? I graduated in 2013 so I don't think I am eligible for programs like Northwestern and Virginia.
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You say you are in a non-business role—what is it? What do you want to do?
The reason I ask is because many who enter a Masters in Management program are either fresh out of undergrad or did something for a year and then matriculated. You’ll be over two years removed by the time you enter.
From my understanding, many of the job offers offered to those coming out of these programs are similar to those offered to undergrads that came out but with a business background (ie. business analyst).
Therefore, if you really are interested in marketing, general management, consulting, or finance, you should try to position yourself into a position that would best suite you to enter business school in 3-4 years. People with 3.3/680 and what might seem as unimpressive background get into top 15-25 MBA programs.
Is a MSc Management worth it? If so, where? (Originally Posted: 01/27/2018)
Hello everyone!
I am currently 24 years old, I live in Greece and I just graduated as a physiotherapist.
My only goal, however, is to get into (Business) Management, and maybe consulting in the future; I am not interested at all in Physiotherapy. I have some work experience mostly in part-time jobs such as dental assistant, a few summer camps where I had managerial duties, volunteer at forest conservation groups, and full time for a few months as an Apple Support technician or my 6-month internship as a physiotherapist, which I guess shows that I was not being lazy and I have seen a few things.
So after some months of research, I decided to apply for some masters in Management in the UK, So far I have applied to Durham, Leeds (International Business), Lancaster, Reading, Bradford. My main criteria were: - NOT London (too expensive) - Being triple-accredited. - Being on Financial Time's list of world's top 100 masters in Management
I was also thinking to apply to Manchester, Bath, and Strathclyde.
I've already received a couple of offers, and I am wondering if I should apply to any other universities as well... Since I plan on switching careers from Physiotherapy to (Business) Management I figured I need at least strong degree from an acclaimed university with a worldwide reputation, a good quality of teaching and a proper connection to the market.
Basically, that is pretty much what I need to know: 1) ** Is an MSc Management good enough to allow me to make that turn into Business Management?**
2) If yes, are these options good enough? Which one is most preferable?
3)** Is there any other, better option (that I can afford)?** (my budget is around 25.000-30.000 pounds max, after adding 10K from the UK postgraduate student loan, including living costs)
I would extremely appreciate any thoughts since I was not able to find enough information on the internet. Please help a young man to find his way in this world! :D
Thanks a lot, cheers!
Hi V for souVlaki, any of these threads helpful:
Any pros willing to rescue this discussion? bossarthur bsykes91 pzb
I hope those threads give you a bit more insight.
MiM (Originally Posted: 02/25/2012)
Redundant, hence edited.
Please refrain from posting so many duplicate threads if at all possible.
Haha, ok ok. I did feel iffy about it. Sorry!
Any Other Masters in Management Programs? (Originally Posted: 12/13/2012)
Guys, I'm trying to break into consulting and am looking to various masters of management programs. I'm already applying to Duke's MMS, Uva's MS commerce, and Wake Forest's MA in management. Does anyone else know of any similar programs I should consider?
See what's listed on MSFHQ . com. You probably have to still do some digging, but any program in the country would be on that site. I want to say Arizona State also has a program but I could be wrong.
Arizona does have a MiM program. USC has an odd one. MIT has one. Yale has one. Wake, Duke all have one.
Thanks guys. Ant, any word on when Yale's program will be opening?
Are you also considering Europe/Canada?
Nah, I'd prefer to stay in the U.S. I've heard it's super difficult for Americans to return and land a job
SMU has one as well
It's geared more towards older people http://www.cox.smu.edu/web/msm
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