Mbb from Ross mba
Looking for some feedback after R1 decisions came back. I got some money at Ross and I got wait listed at tuck.
I'm curious how much of a difference my chances are at MBB from Ross vs tuck. Let's assume I'm the same person if I go to either school, so I either have what they are looking for or don't, how much does it hurt to be coming from Ross?
I want to give myself the best chance, and since I'm only 25 now, I could get a promotion and strengthen my app and try for tuck/MBA business schools<br /> ">m7 next year. But if Ross will still give me a good shot, I'd rather just jump now. What does everyone think? I could also apply to duke/darden r2, but I don't think that buys me anything either.
Thanks for the help.
Ross is well regarded and pretty highly ranked. You'd be competitive coming out of there. I think Duke would be better, but that's just my opinion. You can make it to MBB either way; both are strong in consulting
I just know Tuck has traditionally had a great pipeline into MBB. Haven't seen a lot from Ross, but that's just one person's incomplete perspective. Take it as you will.
Tuck has a great track record with MBB but you can absolutely get there with Ross too. MBB all come on campus to recruit and plenty of people go full time.
Current Ross MBA1
If you can be personable and do well on the case interviews you can get MBB from just about any school in the top 15. Ross will put you in a great spot for Chicago recruiting, East coast offices might take a big more legwork on your part.
So I haven't been to B school yet, but I've spent a fair amount of time researching and from what I've gathered, unless you're looking to do PE/HF/VC, most of the non H/S/W business schools will give you opportunities to do pretty much anything relating to Consulting, IBD, Tech etc.
Now I know that schools have strengths in specific areas and will send more grads to specific industries like consulting, but it seems to me that if you already know that you want to do consulting post MBA and you have money from a pretty good B school, then you might as well go now and get into MBB faster than you would if you waited another year and applied again.
If you were going to wait a year and apply again to H/S/W that would be different, but if its Ross + $$ vs waiting another year + maybe a Tuck/Darden/Fuqua. From all the reports I've read it seems like Ross places pretty well into consulting, so I doubt it would hurt your chances too much.
One think to think about though is geographically where you want to be after your MBA. Ross seems to place more into the Midwest whereas a Tuck would obviously place better into the big east coast cities.
I agree with iConsult. I'm am just finishing up my MBA at one of the top b schools in Canada and I made it to final round with McKinsey. In the end I slipped up on one of the final cases and didn't get the offer. But the fact that I decided not to go to a top 10 US school didn't hinder my chances.
Side note: while the exact school may not matter, MBB still prefers top tier, accepts perceived 2nd tier, and ignores lower tiers. Additionally, make sure your gmat score is 700+ if you want to get called in for an interview at MBB - it may even allow you to skip the PST. Remember, networking is key anywhere you want to go.
ross to darthmouth is a bit of a gap.
ross to wharton/kellogg/mit/chicago similar difference. ever-so-slightly higher % at these ones will get accepted (i put wharton here too because we're talking consulting, not finance) even if the person was the same. i base this on recruiting numbers i've seen.
ross to stanford/harvard the difference will be a bit bigger. even though you're the same person, you have a higher % chance to get an interview (which is no big deal because networking can get you an interview), and also they accept a slightly higher % that they interview.
Here's some data. Based on this: http://poetsandquants.com/2014/01/17/where-top-mbas-work-in-consulting/…
I did some analysis. Here are % MBB of all consulting placements for each school:
Harvard 65.8% Stanford 75.1% Chicago 41.8% UPenn 55.2% Northwestern 50.1% MIT 61.6% Columbia 46.6% Dartmouth 63.5% Duke 27.1% UC-Berkeley 24.1% Cornell 24.8% Michigan 23.0% Virginia 39.9% UCLA 22.9% New York 16.7% Carnegie 15.1% Yale 21.5% UNC 11.7% Texas 6.9% Indiana 3.3% Emory 11.2% Georgetown 6.3% Washington U 9.2% U Washington 2.5% Vanderbilt 5.4%
You can clearly see that the higher ranked schools place better at MBB relative to all consulting placements.After darthmouth there's actually a pretty big drop in the %.
I'm sure someone will argue that same student has same innate ability, and the reason that harvard places better than vanderbuilt is because harvard students are innately better. Or maybe people will argue other stuff. Who knows? There's the data, I'll let you interpret it.
Although the way they gathered that data is a little suspect, that is a really good analysis. Thanks. Really makes me lean towards trying again next year to try and bump up a little bit.
p.s. Based on these numbers: (1) MBA business schools ">M7 + darthmouth is solid. (2) Duke to UCLA is clearly second tier. (3) Below UCLA doesn't look good. You've got to really hustle to get it from indiana or U Wash!!
I've heard that McKinsey gave out 26 full time offers at Fuqua this year, followed by about 25 for BCG and around 10 at Bain.
I don't think that's full time; it's roughly full time + internships. 14 FT at BCG, 12 FT at McKinsey, 8 FT at Bain.
Deloitte is the big consulting recruiter at Duke, with 31 FTs.
http://www.fuqua.duke.edu/documents/employment_report_2013-2014
I'm referring strictly to full time (converted summers + fall second year recruits) also this is for class of 2015 so it wouldn't be in last years stats. Fuqua had a huge year.
glad i could help.
but seriously though don't be stingy with them silver 'nanners -- this monkey don't work for free.
at 25 you've got time. upside is potential boost from school rep. downside is the next year of work isn't doing anything for your long-term career. If you to to b-school now, you exit as an associate at MBB. if you go to b-school 3 years from now, you still exist as an associate at MBB. sure, you'll get paid for that extra year or work and you'll be smarter and wiser, but it won't help the long term career. of course you might not get into a better school even if you wait.
those are things to consider. hope talking through them is helpful
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