Messi.
That is all.
Messi.
That is all.
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I hate that guy..
How about APOEL Nicosia from Cyprus knocking out Lyon and advancing to the quarters? That's at least on par with what Messi did.
Bro he scored more goals in the 90 minutes today than Fernando Torres has scored in the past 18 months. He has scored more hat-tricks this season than GOALS scored by Torres and Andy Carroll COMBINED this season (they were bought for £85 million combined last January). He's only 24 and only a few goals away from becoming Barcelona's record goal-scorer.
Apoel did great. But Messi isn't on par with anyone.
Can't believe the spread was only 2.5...easy money
Bernd Leno had an ordinary time; it was one of those matches where nearly every shot on target was a goal (7/10 here).
That being said; Messi is pure class.
Messi is the best player of the world by far, but that's nothing new. The goal race between Ronaldo and Messi is simply getting ridiculous. In the league Ronaldo alone has scored more goals than 12 teams as a whole. They break every record every season both of them. It's insane.
Even as a Portugueezer, I must say - Messi is the world's best player. But the gap between Messi and Ronaldo and everyone else is galaxies - the only person who may enter that stratosphere anytime soon is Neymar and that's not guaranteed (although he had 3 insane goals yesterday including this one -
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But in the context of history - CR7 and Messi are 2 of the greatest ever... If only they could win w. their nat'l teams to complete the picture, but I do think that it is much harder to win a World Cup (or Euro for that matter) than it was back when Pele and Maradona were playing.
Yea Messi did awesome yesterday but a few goals yesterday were because of the crappy goalie. With that being said, Messi is the best now but he has to win a world cup to be among the Top 3 ever. Pele won two Intercontinental Cups (South American champ vs European champ) back in the 60's and he had only 2-3 Brazilian national team players with him in Santos. Messi has one of the best all-around teams ever where even players in the bench could be stars in other top-flight teams.
Y'all are talking about curling, right?
I enjoy watching Ronaldo play more tha Messi.
I dont knwo why people consider Messi to be better than Ronaldo. Ronaldo scores more AND the only reason Messi is so good is because of his team. Watch him play with the national team, he barely touches the ball.
Messi beats Ronaldo is every meaningful statistical category and scored his 200th goal for Barca last year while Ronaldo was busy scoring his 100th for Real...and Messi is 3 years younger.
http://soccerlens.com/stat-attack-messi-beats-ronaldo-in-every-single-c…
Messi beats Ronaldo is every meaningful statistical category and scored his 200th goal for Barca last year while Ronaldo was busy scoring his 100th for Real...and Messi is 3 years younger.
http://soccerlens.com/stat-attack-messi-beats-ronaldo-in-every-single-c…]
Put it into context - Messi is a #10 - his role is to be the brains of the Barca attack (hence the 50% more touches than CR7) - of course his stats should be better with that much more volume.
Only 2 players on Madrid would start for Barca (Ronaldo and Casillas) - that's the talent gap between those clubs. Messi plays in the middle with the next best 2 players in the world after Ronaldo which opens up space for him. Barca w/o Messi is still a well-oiled machine, Madrid is lost without Ronaldo.
All that being said - I do think Messi is a better player, but Ronaldo will take home the silverware this year...
Messi beats Ronaldo is every meaningful statistical category and scored his 200th goal for Barca last year while Ronaldo was busy scoring his 100th for Real...and Messi is 3 years younger.
http://soccerlens.com/stat-attack-messi-beats-ronaldo-in-every-single-c…]
First of all, that statement is flawed because Ronaldo has played 2'5 seasons in Real while Messi has played 8 seasons in Barça's first team. Second, you're quite misinformed. Those statistics are more than a year old. Ronaldo has scored more goals than Messi this year and he scored more goals last year. He was the top scorer in Europe, may I remind you. He has scored 125 goals (not 100) in 126 matches with Real Madrid, which is FREAKING INSANE. 38 goals in 37 matches this season. You will not find a football player in history who has managed to score 1 goal per match over 3 seasons, not even in the 50s when teams scored 7 goals per game. For Messi is 228 goals in 311 matches, which is amazing, but it's a different ballpark.
Like I said, I think Messi is a better football player, but CR7 is a killer that has no match when it comes to scoring.
Also, to the guy who said that only Casillas and Ronaldo would play in Barça, that's just not true, and you can look at the spanish national team if you want. Plus a couple of others. Ramos is the best central defender in Europe right now, so much better than Piqué who is not even in the starting team in Barça lately. The team would be more like: Casillas - Alves, Ramos, Puyol, Marcelo - Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi - Ronaldo 6 vs 5
What amazes me is that they are all spanish, specially the midfielders. It's really hard to win Eurocup-World Cup - Eurocup consecutively (I think no one has done it), but the Spaniards have a pretty good chance.
Oh, and Özil is incredibly good, although a bit irregular, but he's 23.
Neymar has only played in Brazil, it's a whole different sport. Until he comes to Europe nothing is proven. Robinho was better than him when he played for Santos, the new Pelé they called him. And yeah, he's OK, but c'mon...
You cannot have a Messi v Ronaldo debate...ever.
They are 2 COMPLETELY different players
And the whole age thing in soccer means nothing anymore. Guys are getting snatched up for £1mm at age 17.
Messi is good in Europe, bring him to Argentina and he shits himself (or any other club besides the almighty Barcelona). Maradona was a GOD in Argentina, he went to barcelona performed at the same level, he went to napoli and made one of the shittiest teams in serie a champions, then there was sevilla. Messi will never be at his level, and if he ever accomplishes 1/3 of the things Maradona accomplished then il take my words back.
That's the thing - Ronaldo has dominated in every league he's played in... Would Messi perform the same on another team or in another league (the tackles in the Premiere League and Serie A are no joke) - that's why guys like Ronaldo Fenomeno who dominated in Spain and Italian league have my respect - their games were just way too strong for any competition.
holy crap this guy is only a year older then me? I thought this fucker was 35 years old ahahahahahaha old hard worn out face
WOW dude - Ramos plays as a wing back - on the right side and sometimes the left - so you can't have him, Marcelo and Alves all starting for starters. Second - Pique IS a much better central defender than Ramos - this is not even a question and there are many others who would rate higher (like Vidic) than Ramos at central defense.
Plus you aren't breaking it down by position - GK: Casillas Defenders: Marcelo/Coentrao (this is admittedly where Barca is weak on the left win), Pique, Puyol, Alves MF: CR7, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi F: Villa (when healthy) or Alexis Sanchez
I agree on the Ronaldo points and Ozil WILL be one of the 5 best players in the world in a few years.
WOW DUDE, you can't be more wrong.. Ramos has always played in both positions, depending on the season and what positions are covered. He plays as a wing back on the right side with Spain and last season in Real because they have no one good for that position (let's face it, Arbeloa is barely OK) but they have great central defenders (Pepe, Carvalho in Real, Puyol and Piqué in national team). In fact, in his first season in Real, when he came from Sevilla he played as a central defender. 2 seasons ago when Pepe was injured he played the whole season in the centre.He has always been better as a central defender, and if you look at Reals last 15 starting teams or so he has played as a central defender with Arbeloa on the right, moving Carvalho to the bench, because he is playing incredible.
You can look at the starting team in last weekends game as an example if you don't believe me: http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/03_Marzo_Actualidad_11-12/133…
Arbeloa, Ramos, Carvalho and Marcelo. Pepe was sanctioned.
Or look at wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Ramos
Piqué has not played for 2 or 3 games, in fact in a couple of them Guardiola didn't even let him sit on the bench, that's how bad he has been playing. Ramos on the other hand has been getting all the credit in the press as a central, which happens every time he is switched back to that position. You can read Franco Baresi's opinion for example: http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/88/spain/2012/02/07/2892737/franco-bares…
I'm not going to go on, you get my point, and you clearly don't watch any games from the spanish league (no offense). Ramos is the best spanish central defender by far right now, and every article in the press agrees. I'll accept that Piqué when in shape is really good, and he might recover, but the central defense would be Ramos-Piqué then.
I was breaking it down by position, it's just that Barça plays without a striker (Alexis is a winger, just like CR7) since Villa's injury. They use Alexis or Fábregas as a false striker and score the goals coming from behind. I think that having CR7 and Messi that's the perfect way to play, so that's the tactic I was going for. I would just change Alexis for CR7 and Xabi Alonso in the midfield, like Spain plays. So again, it would be: GK: Casillas Defenders: Alves, Ramos, Puyol (Piqué if he comes back), Marcelo MF: Busquets, Xavi, Xabi Alonso, Iniesta F: Messi and Cristiano
But anyway, this last part doesn't have a right/wrong answer, they are just opinions and everyone has his own, but I wanted to make sure that you realized that you were wrong about the Ramos thing.
I totally agree with you on Özil. If he manages to be more regular he'll be awesome.
By the way, you said you are Portuguese right? What was the whole Carvalho leaving the national team thing about? Because to me that was an incredible defense Carvalho-Pepe. WHat happened there?
Messi with Argentina
22 South American qualifiers games played (2010 and 2014): 5 goals 2006 WC = 0 Goals 2007 CA = 2 Goals 2010 WC = 0 Goals 2011 CA (as host country) = 0 goals
Yup, seems like the best in the world to me ...
national team doesn't know how to use him properly + crappy coaching
he will be the G.O.A.T
what do you guys think about alexis Sanchez. I live in Chile (not chilean), i think he will reach his peak in 1 year, and will last like 2 more years before being kicked out of the barca.
Keeper let in two terrible goals and when the game was already over. That was after Messi chipped him twice and already had a hat-trick. You have no idea how f***ing hard it is to score the way Messi scores, especially given his size. I've played his position all my life and had my legs taken out more times then I can recall. You never see him dive or even go down. Anyone can chip the ball into a net on their own at the local park. Do it with a professional defender chasing your ass, at a bad angle and then try get your foot under that ball while sprinting and do it with just enough finesse so that 6'1" and up keeper can't reach it. Unreal what that little guy does.
Sanchez is sick though, great player. Can't wait to see how he performs in Brazil in 2014.
listening to people banter who "know" soccer makes strap on my Lollerskatez
Yah I'm from Portugal - defo watch the la Liga, esp Madrid! I hadn't realized that Mou was utilizing him in the central. I like Ramos, but he has a short fuse which gets him in trouble.
Carvalho left the team because he wasn't named in the starting XI for the qualifier against Cyprus - he said it was an insult for all he had done for the team. While I don't blame him, I would have preferred to play Bruno Alves + Pepe in the middle for such an important match.
Having said that, I would like to have him back, but it seems like the differences between him and our trainer Paulo Bento are irreconcilable. I feel like we have decent odds to win the Euro this summer, but great defense is a must especially in the group we drew up.
I think Spain is the clear favourite, they are the world and european champions for a reason and they have been undefeated in official games for like 5 years. Second one is Germany. They play amazing and if you think about it only Spain has beaten them, so.... After that it's Netherlands and Portugal probably. Italy doesn't have a good team, but you never know with them, and England and France have too much going on to do anything.
just take up hockey.
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