You guys see this bullsh*t. Monster is the next 4 Loco. Big government coming in to protect us all.
A 14 year old girl with a heart condition drank 2 cans in a 24 hour period and she went into cardiac arrest. Gee, I wonder why. This is called Darwin in action. Now the company is taking a huge hit and potential acquisitions are being questioned.
Fact: Monster has less caffeine than a large Starbucks coffee. Monster has also sold 8 billion cans of their drink.
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You can sue someone for just about anything, it doesn't mean you will win. Let's not blow this out of proportion. A crazy person taking crazy legal action is not really newsworthy unless they win (unless you hold Monster beverage stock in this instance, ha-ha).
FDA is investigating this. Beyond just a lawsuit.
From the article:
"The FDA said it investigates any report of injury or death that it receives."
No way the FDA finds enough evidence to ban it. But Monster tastes like chalk/Motrin. It's all about Red Bull or AMP
Ok, lets get some stuff straight here. This isn't some formality that the FDA is going through and some joke lawsuit. The company lost nearly 15% and this is jeopardizing a variety of potential acquisitions/deals.
1) Four Loko was taken out in a similar fashion.
2) Two Senators were calling for this investigation.
3) NY AG issued subpoenas to three companies producing similar items.
So I don't think this is purely hype or a formality.
I don't need the government to tell me that shit is poison. There's absolutely no reason to be drinking Monster, Red Bull, Four Loko, 5-Hour-Energy, etc. If you want more energy, just exercise.
I say we keep it for population control.
I don't think it's bad for you if you drink it occasionally and in moderation. It's mostly caffeine, sugar, and vitamin B supplements.
You drink four loko to get drunk quick, bro.
They purposely hide/don't advertise the amount of caffeine in it. It's marketed to youth as a "supplement".
Not saying it's right, but a lawsuit was just a matter of time.
Edit: Props for writing an angry post without using liberal in a derogatory fashion. I'm actually impressed.
So somebody with a heart condition died because they ingested caffeine? That's the equivalent of somebody with a peanut allergy dieing after eating peanut butter. The product itself isn't dangerous.
Wouldn't be surprised if NY levies a tax though. I am a liberal guy on social issues: pro gay marriage, drug legalization, etc. But most "liberals" seem to come with this nanny state complex.
there's certainly something different in Monster. No idea what. I get through silly amounts of caffeine a day, comfortably 4 litres of diet coke equivalent, and don't notice a red bull that much, can easily sleep soon after one, but Monster has a serious affect on me. Was hyped for hours after one can. Can't imagine the effects on a 14yr old girl, im a 27 yr old man with a healthy appetite and 1 was enough.
Again the lawsuit is nonsense, the FDA has to investigate it, but will conclude evolution, just in civil terms.
Ya, caffeine doesn't do shit for me anymore. I feel no different if I have six monsters or only water in a day.
if you genuinely have that amount of caffeinated drink in a day, you'd get serious headaches if you don't take something. You won't feel the caffeine, but you'd certainly feel not having it.
The first thing I'd note, is that they are only suing for 25,000 so the entire point was to spark some type of outrage about this situation. The comparison to 4 loko is a bit different because your mixing caffeine and alcohol which anyone who drinks can tell you ends very poorly (but awesome at the time). I think the issue is that the FDA has long let companies market 'supplements' which labels that you need a chemist to decipher. The sports supplement issues is rife with special energy blend bullshit where you could be ingesting god knows what.
Granted, there isn't much reason a young girl with a heart condition should be drinking something like that. Besides, why don't we sue the doctors for malpractice by not mentioning to lay off the caffeine? It is very, very hard to consume enough caffeine to be killed by simply that. God knows If energy drinks and starbucks coffee were that bad for you I'd be dead long ago; as would most people. This is a travesty but at the end of the day this is absolutely ridiculous over reaction to this.
Read the filing homie, it says "5. this is an action for damages that exceeds twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000.00), the minimum jurisdictional requirement."
Pretty sure that means it goes through trial and then an award is set post decision by a judge/jurry.
-Recently watched Rainmaker
Every lawyer, at least once in every case, feels himself crossing a line that he doesn't really mean to cross. It just happens. And if you cross it enough times it disappears forever. And then you're nothing but another lawyer joke. Just another shark in the dirty water.
You get a banana, I'll go back to not attempting to decipher legalese. haha.
Man, FDA bans 1MR and now on their way to ban this? Common.
If 2 cans is all it takes to kill someone, I'd say its not quite Darwin in action as much as the worst product in history. Just because you're conservative doesn't mean you have to root for a product to kill 14 year olds and act glib about it.
A more convincing argument would be: all arguments have side effects but there are certain rates that are acceptable, monster energy drink is safer than aspirins if you look at the users. That would be convincing. Blaming a 14 year old for her death because she drank 2 cans of soda is disgusting.
This is an outrage. How dare the FDA go nosing around the affairs of a decent, honest, hard-working American corporation. If a little girl dies from a few sips of a wholesome beverage that must be her own fault. The FDA should just mind their own business. We live in a surival-of-the-fittest society, and dumping more chlorine in the collective gene pool doesn't help anyone. Every man, woman, and 14-year-old-child for themselves.
As someone with a heart condition, the first rule of thumb is no stimulants, which caffeine very much falls under. The truth of the matter is that this girl was being completely negligent. I wouldn't blame Meijers if I had an allergic reaction to shrimp I bought there. At some point the consumer has to take responsibility for their personal actions.
The whole supplement thing is an issue, but has almost nothing to do with energy drinks. It's all of the other workout and fat pills that are sold to people without anyone actually knowing what are in them. We task the FDA with making sure things we ingest are safe, and pay too much in taxes for them not to.
The whole monster issue is a non-issue. It's like eating 30 cans of tuna in a week and claiming tuna causes mercury poisoning...A 14 year old girl with a heart condition just shouldn't be ingesting countless stimulants on a daily basis. There's no reason to take the products off the shelf because some people can't seem to use them correctly.
So who is at fault then BearMarket?
So are we saying that MNST is a buy now?
Could be an interesting stradle position going into earnings.
The case should be thrown out for one simple reason, the can clearly states- not to be consumed by children or those sensitive for caffeine.
And a silver banana for you.
This whole law suit is ridiculous. Honestly, that warning label should be common sense anyways. As others have said, consumers really need to take the responsibility at some point.
No way anything significant comes of this. Pretty much all energy drinks have the same shit in them so banning monster would require them to take on redbull, rockstar, amp, etc...
https://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:MNST
It's already had a nice bounce.
Just read this, pretty good perspective on the case
http://kiddynamitesworld.com/was-the-death-of-a-14-year-old-girl-preven…
[quote=TL2C24]Just read this, pretty good perspective on the case
http://kiddynamitesworld.com/was-the-death-of-a-14-year-old-girl-preven…]
I like how that article mentions replacing the FDA with Yelp. I think that's a pretty good idea. Then these kinds of incidents can give Yelp a nice bounce as well.
LOL at the "Darwinism" crap, if this was your kid you'd be outraged and sue (or do SOMETHING). Pure Social Darwinism is people gunning each other down in the street, so just let go of it. When we start calling innocents the "collateral damage of Darwinism", I think it's safe to say we've failed.
This is the media turning a simple case into a circus. $25K? That's it? All they have to do is stick a line of size one font on the can saying "should not be consumed by those with heart conditions", if it's not there already, settle, and move on. The company should have the common sense to do so, as this publicity is just going to hurt them: punishment for being stupid with their brand management. Media making a molehill out of a mountain, moving along.
As far as supplements, I don't think anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex things Monster is a supplement, and I dont' care WHAT the label says. The supplement conversation is complicated and besides the point.
My own personal observation is that our society is drugging itself more and more....maybe address that. If you need THAT much juice to get through the day, and it's sold EVERYWHERE, maybe question what the hell we're doing. I've known plenty of people who came to America with fucking NOTHING and built a very nice life who didn't even need coffee, so what gives? I like a 5 hour energy here and there like anyone else, but overall, what the hell kind of overdrive are we trying to call normal? And who the hell gives their kid an energy drink?????
If my kid, with not only a known heart problem, but an additional, underlying problem, drank a highly caffeinated drink not once, but twice, and then died, I would be sad, but that is life.
This world is going down the tubes because we coddle the dumbest people in society. While I am sure the parents are mourning, Monster did nothing wrong.This kid would have bit the dust sooner or later if she can't handle what amounts to less caffeine than a coffee from Starbucks.
We should all feel bad about the potential damage to the Monster brand and the lower valuation that might be attributed to it in the case of a potential acquisition bid.
Thats bullshit TNA, still Monster should be investigated. I bet u own some MNST stock. This is why U r patronizing them.
O RLY?
We are killing ourselves to compete and making ourselves terribly unhappy in the process.
I think this is going to end with WWIII. I am not sure it is avoidable.
I think the social darwinism comments were a little tongue in cheek
Well that's great for you but I really don't think that is a strong argument against energy drinks. We have been "drugging" ourselves for thousands of years. People have always had a knack for finding, using, and of course abusing the physiological and mental effects of chemicals, whether they come from natural causes or are produced in labs. 2 cups of green tea may work for you but claiming that that is what everyone should do ignorantly overlooks the fact that not everyone is you.
And I know that the WWIII reference was most likely a tongue-in-cheek comment but nonetheless...seriously?
I miss 4-loko
Drink 1 Monster u'll be hitting the walls.
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there you go
fair enough allday, i'll take you at your word. Just having regular amounts of caffeine in high doses, will give you an addiction, and headaches are the withdrawal symptom.
Count yourself lucky
Hey Neal broken link bro, here you GO ---
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Wait guys, I am drinking a large SBUX now, about to go into cardiac arrest. Make sure someone sues for me even though I willingly bought the drink and drank it.
I don't drink Monster because it is nasty. I do drink plenty of RBV with no issues. Then again, I have no heart problems. If I did you can bet your ass I wouldn't touch that crap with a 10 foot pole.
Why the parents would sue is beyond me. Seems this is a simple issue of a kid doing something they shouldn't and having an adverse reaction. This kind of bullshit is why we can't have peanuts on a plane and why schools can't celebrate Halloween.
Whatever. I just hope Monster's stock price fully rebounds and this doesn't hamper them being acquired.
You can never be an "extreme" libertarian. I am sorry but there already is a warning, the can has less caffeine than a SBUX coffee and the kid had a heart alinement.
http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=MNST
Look at that value destruction. I have so much sympathy for the shareholders.
:(
Coca-Cola used to have blow in it. Monster is weak sauce in comparison.
Let's forget that the diseased was a 14 year old. A 30 year old with a heart condition and an underlying problem drinks 2 cans of super stimulant within a short amount of time. Should their parent sue?
I feel for the kid and the family, I am sure she loved the rush, or thought she can handle it, or wanted to believe doctors were lying or whatever; so she played with stimulants irresponsibly. How is that Monster's fault?
Might as well ban Robusta beans, Viagra, and Acerola.
Even if consumers- not Monster- are responsible for what they consume, Monster is still in deep, deep trouble. The impact will roughly be the same; the FDA merely has the opportunity to force the drink off the market a little sooner.
What is a reasonable amount of caffeine? I drink 8 oz of coffee a day and I immediately pop wings out of my sides, and mind you, I am healthy as an ox. I think by drinking an "energy drink" you know you're getting caffeine and sugar and god knows what else.
Maybe that's why kids are advised to NOT drink these energy drinks? Maybe the FDA should investigate Starbucks. coffee is dangerous. Especially for kids. Particularly for kids with heart disease. I again, don't see a reason why this company should suffer such reputation damage.
Great plan. It would be very helpful if we all did that, and maybe if we taught our kids to do this as well?Punish the company anyway.
All hail the nanny state!
1) The can has a disclosure
2) It has less caffeine than SBUX
3) The girl had a heart issue along with other issues
4) She drank two cans
Now we have Congressmen and the FDA looking at things, along with a lawsuit.
When I get drunk this weekend on whiskey and freeze to death after passing out someone please sue for me because I a Jack Daniels representative wasn't there to hold my hand and make sure I was ok.
NANNYYYY STATEEEEE
Guys, I am drinking a Diet Coke now, please remember to sue when I die.
This whole "energy drinks are bad for kids" nonsense is being blown out of proportion. As a former gaming addict, I enjoyed plenty of allnighters with friends playing Warcraft III or Age of Empires, during which we'd each consume multiple cans of Red Bull, AMP, or my personal favorite, Cocaine (RIP). We all survived, even if our high school reputation didn't.
When you buy a bottle of beer, you get % alcohol by volume. When you buy a box of crackers, you get nutrition facts. When you buy a tin of coffee or an energy drink, you get -0- disclosure on caffeine.
Bans don't make sense. Disclosure does.
Because caffeine is the weakest ass drug ever.
What's all the rhetoric overshooting all about? The verdict hasn't even been decided, it might even be thrown out. Ideologues much?
Jeez, get a grip. Some kid died and the parents sued someone. Never seen this before??
You're right. Lets go back to posting questions asking about drug tests or am I getting fired for wearing pinstripes on a Tuesday.
This wouldn't be an issue except we have NYC banning large soft drinks, Four Loko being banned (RBV FTW) and now Congressmen and the FDA investigating this.
I see no ideology, just a discussion on how sue happy this country has become and how we need idiotic warnings on every single things in triplicate. Just like hair dries saying don't use while in the shower.
Well that was easy money. 43.11 to 46.50 and I'm out! Crazy kids and their energy drinks.
It isn't so much harmful as it is when compounded by the circumstances of WHEN you would WANT to drink Monster: already sleep deprived, dehydrated, probably been working for hours/studying, exhausted, etc.
Like when you get McD's at 2am...
My heart beats faster due to Monster than it does when seeing a hot girl
I like to grind up my Adderall in a mortar and pestle, stir it into a 32 oz Monster and add a 5-hour-energy shot. Really wakes me up.
Also, not sure why my heart's been fluttering lately, but I'm guessing it's cause this bish next to me got Monster booty.
I can't believe no one has asked yet what monster would do to you if consumed through an enema?
well go and try it for us Allday, since you're the strongest caffeine warrior among us. :>
If you want Fair and Balanced you just need to check out my boy S Hannity.
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