NOTRE DAME: Are Transfers discriminated against?
I was accepted to Notre Dame early action, but decided it may be worthwhile to stay a couple years at a local college, and then transfer. Are transfers discriminated against, though?
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You should just be happy you got accepted. I have a few Cornell friends who tried to switch to AEM and were rejected. It's a small program and ridiculously selective. Make the best out of this opportunity is all I can say.
I don't know what to think. I just looked through the data for the 2011 class and there weren't many kids in IB. I'm worried that going there, I will be outcasted when it comes time for interviews as the first question they ask me is "Are you a transfer" and I get kicked out of the room for coming from a, in their eyes, a shitty school and taking the backdoor in. I do have PWM and Boutique IB internship previously before I go in, but looking at where transfers placed, it doesn't look too promising. The main thing that scares me is the acceptance rate and people thinking I won't be taken seriously because I took advantage of that, or something. Believe me, I'd prefer to attend Cornell for a variety of reasons, but if it's gonna hurt my future job prospects, I'll go to the other T25 I got accepted to with fairly decent stats and no issues of transfer fluffing..did your friends attend Cornell and just not do well or something to not get into AEM? Thanks for helping me out
No they had good grades. It's just that the transfer is relatively competitive. From what I heard, a lot of people try to transfer per semester. My source = the valedictorian of my high school who currently goes there.
By the way, I just pulled up AEM's 2011 stats - they have IB kids in every bulge bracket bank. Considering how small the program is (it's about 5 times smaller than Wharton), I'd say they are doing pretty well.
I actually just went through every 2011 grad and checked where they are now..out of 253 graduating kids, there were ~28 at name-brand firms (not all BB). There were also 3 transfers that I found that weren't in banking at all, I believe, but were into Finance and in BO/Support roles. This is why I'm asking. As for how competitive it is, I'm pretty sure you only need about a 2.75 GPA and a few courses done to internally transfer. There were about ~80 kids who did it last yr from inside Cornell and about 50 who transferred in from elsewhere. I'm very concerned about this and this is the only reason I'm doing so much research. I'd ideally like to attend Cornell, but have a feeling being a transfer from an unknown school will significantly hurt my chances at IB. Any help? Thanks!
Older brother graduated from AEM. Currently works at JP/MS/DB.
inferiority complex much?
If you transferred from like Podonk Falls Community maybe. If you're transferring in from a top 20 school or so, I don't see why they would discriminate (Vanderbilt-->Cornell or JHU-->Cornell). They'll probably assume you transferred for fit reasons rather than a trade-up.
I might as well have come from "Podonk Falls Community" so let me know if that factors into your decision. And, I hope you all realize that I'm asking this specifically for CORNELL because they have a reputation, that I believe alums know about, for accepting a huge amount of transfers - this won't necessarily be a problem @ the other schools as they don't have that issue. I'm just worried that alums will know I transferred and ding me for it, even if I do well my first semester, because I was basically "guaranteed" acceptance as they view it. Thanks.
If you want to succeed do not second guess your decision to go to Cornell AEM. From what has been previously stated it is a highly selective program so even if you transferred..you beat out a lot of other students. Realistically what your worried about is the "stigma" of being a transfer but to be honest no matter who you are there will always be something people can pick on. I mean really...do you honestly think just because someone transferred they are going to be looked down upon come recruitment season? There are probably a million other factors that give a more accurate picture as to why those other transfer's didn't end up in their desired positions. In the end it is up to you to figure out how your going to approach this issue you seem to think you have...will you feed into your own malice or persevere and make the most out of your situation..which is way too advantageous for one to walk away for a reason like the one you have stated. Why did you apply for transfer? After suffering to get what you wanted out of your old school do you really think a speculative reason like this should stop you?
The problem is that it's not so much a problem for being a transfer, as it's being a transfer in AEM. CALS has a ~50% admission rate for transfers, and this is published online. As long as you complete the coursework, you have a good shot at getting into Cornell AEM and I feel like alum's know this and feel like transfers are a completely different group of people. The reason why I'm debating not attending is because of this and teh feeling that I could be buried some recruiting season, and judging from the placement of AEM, at least...it doesn't compare at all to GTown MSB. People hype it up on this board to an unreal degree and most of the kids who are doing it don't even go there. Sure, it was great back in 08/09, when it was new, but now the placement is average at best (for AEM). Not sure what to do here...
1) AEM is not new. It's been around for a while
2) Compared to other undergrad business programs, AEM is quite small (on class size basis). Can't just go around and say "they have lower numbers so they are only average." Keep in mind Cornell has other colleges (e.g. the Hotel School) that also places well in BBs.
3) If you have so much doubt, just don't go. Save yourself the anxiety. Plenty of kids of made it to BB IBD from Cornell and many more want to be part of the program. It sounds like you have abnormal amounts of doubt at the moment. Might as well give up your spot to someone on the waitlist.
So you think your inferior? Great. How about you drop that bitch way of thinking and go to class and dominate. Then go into the interviews and dominate. If you give people a reason to doubt you they will. Now stop worrying so much about something that is already out of your control.
The decision is entirely up to you, whatever the choice is its still better than whatever school you were in before. If you could provide a list of those other targets I am sure others will provide you excellent advice. I am not an American University student but I do have knowledge of your target schools and programs. If you were to give more information people who have much more knowledge and personal experience with this will help you cut down your list. It seems to me that Cornell may be the one you are leaning on as your best choice but you are unsure as to whether or not it is worth it and are weighing your options by making an analysis of its benefits and disadvantages. I think that you are right in doing so but don't dwell on minor issues such as this because as long as you keep yourself composed as a student and maintain a decent GPA and community presence, I highly doubt you will be "buried" come recruiting season. Your recruiter should not be thinking "oh he's a transfer..pass on this kid" He should be more or so like "Transfer ? why? non- target high grades very involved...decides to move to a target..shows consistent academic/social trend...this kid is a rockstar, lets get him an interview before x firm grabs him!"....The only person stopping you is yourself either live in your pessimistic statistics or grow outside of them and show the world what you got..other wise as it will teach you.
Except I'm coming from a community college, which aem has transfer agreements with many of them. This is why at aem and Cornell, transfers are looked at as pretty low because its something the kids there dislike. At the other school, this isn't a problem because transfer rate are so low, that it probably wouldn't even come up. I'm worrying that once they know I'm a transfer, they'll be like ding cuz this kid scammed his way in
With this mentality you are destined to fail... You have to give people a reason to want you, you are currently just making excuses on why you don't want to go to cornell
No, I'm not. I did research on the subject and it is incredibly eye opening from what's being spewed on this board. At Cornell, I attended the school and the incoming class for aem was almost entirely nys cc kids. When I researched it on where some transfers ended up, they were all at bo positions. There were only maybe 10 kids at bb from aem 2011 and that doesn't match up well to even Georgetown, where they had substantially more. What I'm saying is that you have to look at the whole picture, you can't just say "omg Cornell go its a target" because I thought that too. Then I saw how kids at Cornell view transfers into the program, and it isn't well, and these are the kids that are going to be interviewing you. They all know the acceptance rate goes from 12% to 40% and they hate it and I'm feeling like I will be discrimanted against in interviews based on not only speaking w Cornell kids but where I.saw transfers placing.
Just a quick FYI on Cornell also...a lot of those kids that do the BB are in the business fraternities...can't remember their names, and they then recruit from that pool, so if you go, rush those organizations. Some of the other kids play sports.
10 kids? That's just not true. I can name about 20 kids off the top of my head who are in aem interning as SA in FO BB.
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