(Undegrad) How well is NYU Stern perceived by recruiters, specifically compared to Duke, Columbia and Cornell?
Would a student at Duke, Columbia and Cornell have an edge vs. NYU Stern in terms of recruiting?
How would you investment banking analysts assess a kid from NYU Stern, Duke, Columbia and Cornell ceteris paribus?
Would it be worth transferring from NYU Stern to Duke or Cornell for this advantage?
| +244 | CVP 2025 Summer Analyst Class Is A JOKE | 100 | 9m | |
| +98 | The "Not So Obvious" things that get you a return offer? | 10 | 9h | |
| +94 | PJT Best EB in the next 5 years? | 46 | 9h | |
| +57 | Ex-JP Morgan analyst awarded $35M decade after NYC building’s glass door suddenly shattered on her | 15 | 18h | |
| +34 | Georgetown Placement for 2024 and 2025 | 20 | 14h | |
| +31 | Pros and Cons of the BB coverage groups | 16 | 4d | |
| +29 | Best IB group on the Street | 14 | 5h | |
| +28 | Barc vs WF for IB (Generalist) | 7 | 7h | |
| +28 | How to deal with egotistical team? | 6 | 7h | |
| +26 | BIG FOUR ARE PARADISE | 4 | 7h |
Career Resources
Get instant access to lessons taught by experienced private equity pros and bulge bracket investment bankers including financial statement modeling, DCF, M&A, LBO, Comps and Excel Modeling.
I heard through the grapevines that students from NYU are snobby stuck up kids who think they deserve front office roles because they're a private institution that bears the name of the "BIG APPLE" and has unparalleled relationships with wall street firms due to its location. In reality its second tier no different than Fordham and filled with rejects from Columbia. I Fail to understand any argument that is made as to why recruiting has gone down at NYU when all other schools are facing the same downturn with the exception of the "IVY LEAGUE". Im assuming MIT has lost a significant amount of recruiting do to kids like MIT_ALGO_TRADER and smalltalk101. That institution generates the most socially awkward individuals out of any school in this nation. I guarantee those students watch the Matrix religiously and in their spare times try to either hack into Zion's main frame or create algorithmic models to retrieve Zion's access codes.
*On a side note I'm sure NYU kids are intelligent but their snobbish stuck up behavior rubs me the wrong way especially the ones that I've met from Stern...........i wonder which is worst this one or my Jefferies post
All I ever hear is how many NYU Stern grads work at Goldman.
lol the matrix? thats pretty randomn big guy
You have to remember that NYU is in the middle of the financial capital of the world. So students have accessibility to school year internships and easy face to face networking opportunities. I would have to say this factor outweighs any marginal effect changing schools might add (Columbia is also in the city but it is basically on par with NYU, anyone correct me if I'm wrong).
Are you a junior with access to interview net? I see many more postings than the ones you've indicated, although I've been told it's a lot less than previous years (which was expected).
Dipset, sorry about the experience with NYU kids, alot of them are like that but from direct experience most are not.
NYU is pretty well represented on wall street. i think all that you mentioned would give you excellent opportunities. visit the campuses and see which one fits you the best.
I see no reason to celebrate because of someone else's misery. I've definitely encountered some dicks from Stern, but not all of them are bad kids.
ok, im an nyu junior. People need to stop spreading misinformation. What the op and the next comment wrote are completly false. Either they have been information or are just hating.
Good luck to everyone, its a tough market out there.
This is a sampling of some of the ocr postings on the career site:
Job Title Employer Sales Research Summer Intern Hapoalim Securities Sales Trading Summer Analyst Hapoalim Securities 2009 INTERN PROGRAM - DEBT CAPITAL MARKETS - STAMFORD UBS 2009 INTERN PROGRAM EQUITIES STAMFORD/NEW YORK UBS 2009 Intern Program Finance Stamford, CT/New York, NY UBS 2009 Intern Program Operations Stamford, CT/New York, NY/Jerse UBS 2009 INTERN PROGRAM FIXED INCOME SALES & TRADING - STAMFORD UBS 2009 Summer Analyst Investment Banking, New York UBS 2009 Summer Intern Program Information Technology UBS 2009 Treasury and Securities Services Summer Analyst JPMorgan 2009 U.S. SUMMER ANALYST POSITION Information Technology Barclays Capital Account Management Group (AMG) Summer Intern BlackRock Account Management Group (AMG) Summer Intern - Princeton Office BlackRock Alternative Investments Beta Strategies Marketing Summer Anal Credit Suisse Alternative Investments Strategic Partners Summer Analyst Credit Suisse Alternative Investments: Funds Marketing Summer Analyst Credit Suisse Alternative Investments: Multi Manager Portfolios Summer Analyst Credit Suisse Apollo summer internship Apollo Management, L.P. Asset Management Credit Suisse Quantitative Equities Group Q Credit Suisse Audit Intern BDO Seidman LLP Commercial Banking Summer Analyst JPMorgan Chase Bank Equity & Fixed Income Sales & Trading: Summer Analyst Credit Suisse Equity Research Summer Analyst Credit Suisse Finance Summer Intern Program Prudential Financial Analyst Johnson Associates, Inc. Financial Modeling Group (FMG) Summer Intern BlackRock Financial Sales and Analytics Training Program Bloomberg LP Information Technology Summer Analyst (Non-Technical) Credit Suisse Information Technology Summer Analyst (Technical) Credit Suisse Intern- corporate finance FTI Consulting Investment Banking Summer Analyst Credit Suisse Investment Banking Summer Analyst Rothschild Inc. Investment Banking Summer Analyst - Internship Lazard Investment Banking Summer Analyst - NY Generalist Jefferies & Company, Inc. Investment Management Summer Analyst JPMorgan Chase & Co. (Private Bank & Investment Management) Investment Products Group (IPG) Summer Intern BlackRock Mid-Corporate Banking Summer Analyst JPMorgan Chase Bank Portfolio Analytics Group (PAG) Summer Intern BlackRock Private Bank Summer Analyst Program JPMorgan Chase & Co. (Private Bank & Investment Management) Private Fund Advisory Group Summer Analyst - Internship Lazard Private Wealth Management Summer Analyst JPMorgan Chase & Co. (Private Bank & Investment Management) Prudential Retirement - Plan Sponsor Solutions Summer Intern Prudential Sales and Marketing Intern FGI Risk Services Solutions Center - Trading & Analytics Group Summer Intern BlackRock Summer Analyst Sagent Advisors Summer Analyst (Spring 09) Insight Venture Partners Summer Analyst Program - Commercial/Corporate Banking Wells Fargo Bank Summer Analyst Credit Suisse Operations Credit Suisse Summer Financial Analyst - Financial Restructuring Houlihan Lokey Howard & Zukin Summer Intern 2009 Sonenshine Partners Trading Assistant Intern Chicago Trading Company (CTC, LLC) Buying/Planning Internship Macy's Inc. Product Development Internship Macy's Inc. Finance Intern The Children's Place Summer Leadership Program- Leadership Adventure Program Pricewaterhouse Coopers 2009 Finance Summer Analyst JP Morgan Chase (Department) 2009 Operations & Business Services Summer Analyst JP Morgan Chase (Department) 2009 IB Credit Risk Management Summer Program JPMorgan 2009 Investment Banking Summer Analyst Program JPMorgan 2009 Investment Banking Tax-Exempt Capital Markets Summer Analys JPMorgan Associate Account Executive EPSILON Corporate Banking Summer Analyst The Royal Bank of Scotland Corporate Banking- portfolio management -Summer Analyst The Royal Bank of Scotland FX Options & Local Markets Trading The Royal Bank of Scotland Loan Markets Summer Analyst The Royal Bank of Scotland Sales & Trading - Summer Analyst The Royal Bank of Scotland Business Systems Analyst TriTek Solutions, Inc. Financial Sales & Analytics Rotational Summer Internship Bloomberg LP Actuarial Intern Ernst & Young Analyst - Summer Intern SECOR Business Technology Summer Scholar Deloitte Consulting LLP Consultant SunGard Consulting Services, Inc. Human Capital Summer Scholar Deloitte Consulting LLP Summer Leadership Program Ernst & Young 2009 Finance Summer Analyst Goldman Sachs 2009 Global Investment Research Summer Analyst Goldman Sachs 2009 Investment Banking Division Summer Analyst Goldman Sachs 2009 Investment Management Division Summer Analyst Goldman Sachs 2009 Operations Summer Analyst Goldman Sachs 2009 Quantitative Resources Group Summer Analyst Goldman Sachs 2009 Securities Summer Analyst Goldman Sachs 2009 Technology Summer Analyst Goldman Sachs 2009 U.S. SUMMER ANALYST POSITION - Finance Barclays Capital 2009 U.S. SUMMER ANALYST POSITION - Human Resources Barclays Capital 2009 U.S. SUMMER ANALYST POSITION - Investment Banking Division Barclays Capital 2009 U.S. SUMMER ANALYST POSITION - Operations Barclays Capital 2009 U.S. SUMMER ANALYST POSITION - Research Barclays Capital 2009 U.S. SUMMER ANALYST POSITION - Sales & Trading Barclays Capital Actuarial Consulting Intern Pricewaterhouse Coopers Campus Actuarial Intern Towers Perrin Campus Health and Welfare Intern Towers Perrin Capital Markets Origination - Summer Analyst Citi Corporate Banking & Leveraged Finance Summer Analyst - Internshi TD Securities Corporate Banking Summer Analyst Program Citi Ernst & Young Transaction Advisory Services Valuation and Busi Ernst & Young Finance - Summer Analyst Program Citi Finance and Operations Intern D.E. Shaw Group Global Banking & Markets / Global Private Banking HSBC Global Banking & Markets Global Transaction Services Summer Analyst Citi Global Wealth Management Group Summer Analyst Markets Group Morgan Stanley Global Wealth Management Group Summer Analyst Private Wealth M Morgan Stanley Human Capital Summer Scholar - Actuarial Consulting Deloitte Consulting LLP Human Resources Summer Analyst Citi Investment Banking and Global Capital Markets Summer Analysts (J Morgan Stanley Investment Banking Summer Analyst Program Citi Investment Management Summer Analyst Morgan Stanley ISG Financing- Securities Lending Trading Morgan Stanley Operations Analyst Intern Deutsche Bank Prime Brokerage Summer Analyst Morgan Stanley Proprietary Trading Intern D.E. Shaw Group Public Finance - Summer Analyst Citi Research Junior Associate Summer Position Morgan Stanley Strategic Risk Management Consulting Intern Pricewaterhouse Coopers Summer Analyst Barclays Wealth Summer Analyst Evercore Partners Summer Analyst - Internship Miller Buckfire & Co., LLC Summer Intern - Audit KPMG LLP Summer Intern - KPMG Forensic KPMG LLP Summer Intern - Tax KPMG LLP Technology Analyst Intern Deutsche Bank Technology Intern Protiviti Technology Summer Analyst Morgan Stanley Global Corporate and Investment Banking Summer Analyst Program Bank of America Sales and Trading Analyst, Summer Program Bank of America Investment Banking Summer Analyst Greenhill & Co. Summer Intern Analyst Huron Consulting Group Global Banking & Markets - Foreign Exchange Currency Options Tra The Royal Bank of Scotland Advertising Sales Account Coordinator The New York Post Accounting Associate D.E. Shaw Group Associates Program and Entry Level Opportunities - Full-Time Random House Inc. Equity Derivatives Trader Trainee Group One Trading Finance and Operations Generalist D.E. Shaw Group Proprietary Junior Trader D.E. Shaw Group
If IB recruiting is your only criteria then there is no real value in transferring from NYU to those schools. NYU is a good school in a great location for IB. And they have a solid undergrad finance program, which I don't believe you'll find at Columbia or Cornell. I'd rather be a finance major than an econ major, but that's just me. If you were asking if you should transfer from Boise State or something then there would be a good reason to. At NYU you have great access, so just get good grades and you'll be in as good a position as those other schools, if not better for some of them. The hassle of transferring should discount to some degree any advantage of the better image Columbia or Cornell may have among some recruiters. I've transferred schools, take it from me, it can be a pain when you have several classes that aren't accepted at your new school and were just a waste of time and money. 4 years of college is long enough, no need to add on another year or more for the marginal value of an Ivy over NYU. Stay at Stern.
That just proves how shitty Stern kids are. If people challenge them on the quality of their 3rd tier schools, they get all defensive, and i just LOVE the way that you slipped in "Proprietary Junior Trader D.E. Shaw Group". If you really think you're school's recruiting is top dog, then just imagine the recruiting at Ivy League schools. You're all just Columbia/Cornell rejects.
You are making a really strong case for being the biggest doucher on this site with every post you make. Go back to collegeconfidential.
I would say that Cornell's AEM program is a solid undergraduate business (finance) program that rivals that of NYU Stern. One of my friends who attends talks about how a few Stern students transferred into his program and how many on campus recruiting events there are. Although the ability for NYU students to just walk out their front door and meet people face to face is a definite advantage.
Don't think of it in terms of investment banking. Think of it like this: In twenty years, do you want to have to say "I went to NYU?"
What misinformation have I been spreading? This is the stigma that comes with NYU Stern and there is a reason why its associated with it. You might not be part of the larger population that contributes to this culture but this rather large group of stuck up snobs do exist @ Stern.
xc
wow..nyu definitely trumps ucla by a lot...
we only have ib, big 4, and the lower tier consulting firms.
a lot of ours are all engineering
Once you get that first job no one gives a shit where you went to school. NYU is in the middle of NYC which is great for doing internships during the semester. Just focus on getting some actual experience and worry less about the name on your diploma.
Damn, those are some really good opportunities. So do each of those firms take like 5 or 6 people or a lot more than that?
each of those firms definitely do not take 5-6 people. Some will take that many, most will take less, and some will take 0. Firms interview at lots of places, but that doesn't mean they give out at least one job offer to each school they interview at.
Actually they will. Every time you try to get a job after that, you're school will always matter. Although, Stern has a much better reputation as a school than NYU overall.
Q: What do a Columbia Student and an NYU student have in common?
A: They both got into NYU.
Sorry, couldn't resist. Good luck to everyone recruiting. FYI, as I've learned painfully this year, just because a job posting is listed does not mean they will actually hire anyone or even necessarily interview. It's rough all over.
Harvard - So you are telling me that a kid from NYU can get into GS, rock out as an analyst and have zero exit opportunities because he went to NYU and not Harvard?
I will agree that the school you go to is important, but once you get a full time job it will matter much more how you perform and the people you meet.
NYU is fine. Get internships and know how to interview.
Let me say this. I respect top academic programs. I know plenty of kids at Wharton, Columbia, etc. Smart people. With that said you are not going to see me blow someone because they went to XYZ school. Get real. Plenty of morons are top schools also.
I meant in the case where you're not a star. If you just did some decent work at not a GS/MS/JP, then it'll probably come down to your background. I'm not hatin' on NYU because I know it's a great school, but employers will always see HYPSW > NYU
Obviously, but the OP is asking about Duke/Columbia/Cornell vs NYU
Columbia and Stern > Duke and Cornell for breaking in, but as previously mentioned nobody will care after a certain point. They're all in a similar level of prestige, less than HYPSW, but the difference doesn't matter in the long run. If you really care, get a grad degree.
I would say the ability to network and interface on a local basis, constantly, is far better considering the pedigree of the school. You don't have to move to be in NY for interviews, internships, networking, etc. You're already there, which is half the battle, if you read all of the "I'm a tard and didn't book my living arrangements for the internship right away" posts. :P Anywho, my two cents.
-N.
Dipset- I really don't see how you are getting off by attacking me, especially considering that I've said nothing to you.
I can assure you that your analysis is terribly flawed though, you clearly know very few people from MIT. The correlation between quantitative ability and social awkwardness is present, but the correlation fades quickly once you realize that you'll be worthless to the future of finance without an analytical mind.
Also, you may want to reconsider your criteria for social awkwardness. I assure you that even the ugliest/'awkwardest' member of my frat gets ass from a new Wellesley/BU/Simmons girl every week
Once you start FT, output is all that matters and no one gives two fucks about where you went to school.
There are a lot of kids from Stern at the bbs. Kids are kind of hipsters, which is cool if you're into that. Go there of you'd like the people, but I know I'd hate it and wouldn't fit in there.
Hi MIT,
*Relax its all in good fun and Cal Tech is better than you
If Columbia is an option, then this thread should be finished. But...
Cornell is extremely well represented on the street, plenty of the buyside shops take one or two guys/gals, and they have a good brand name beyond all things finance. But if you're dead set on finance, Stern is the place to be. I think every bank in the city recruits there, and it has to be cake to setup informationals and network only 15 minutes from your dormroom.
In regards to the the "diploma doesn't matter convo". If you get a get a good job for a great company, and are not looking to move, then your degree will be worth sh*t. If you didnt get IB, or if you're looking to upgrade your firm or change roles, this will certainly make a difference. Sure, they can see how you did at your last job, but it may not even be relevant. Their only other way to gauge your ability is to see where you graduated from. This is what happened in my case...
What is this geek battle going on in here? I went to NYU (CAS, not Stern) and had plenty of friends in many of the schools. Yeah, Stern had a lot of dumbasses who beat the meat to finance, but they all aren't bad guys. Just like MIT has a ton of weird nerds, but not everyone is like that. Generalizations are retarded.
I am at NYU Stern's MBA program, and I can tell you that we feel inferior to Columbia guys. However, aside from that, the ease of accessing Wall Street is pretty insane! I went to a corporate presentation the other day simply by taking the subway after class. Got there on time, and went home by 9. Now, let's say you got a Monday free, you can potentially see 3 to 6 corporate presentations, have watched a seminar, talked to some employers, and gone home by 6pm!
On a side note, I wonder if recruiters put that much emphasis on schools. I have no knowledge of that, but I suspect they place some weight, but not a tremendous amount on it.
Haha Dipset just insinuated that Thain didn't get laid till he was 40.
jesus christ stern is fine.
An MIT degree gets respect, regardless if you are a nerd or not. And there are plenty of firms at NYU doing interviews. How many people they decide to take is probably going to be lower than normal, but that's pretty much true everywhere.
Site has turned in collegeconfidential over the past few months.
i have a question regarding stern vs. babson college for finance concentration?
Posts like this (and any other posts regarding university/bank prestige) should honestly be banned to maintain the integrity of the site. Not necessarily referring to the OP here, more so the ridiculous little argument between dipset (who has collegeconfidential written all over him) and MIT.
Seriously?
Babson makes it to US News Rankings (so does Creighton Omaha) but that doesn't mean anything - recruiters don't use US news rankings. In practice Stern trumps Babson for Finance hands down. Check out the WSO power rankings and you'll have your answer. Stern is 2 and Babson is 48 (Creighton doesn't make the top 50 by the way) but that being said you can probably network your way into finance in the long wrong anyway.
Babson isn't very well represented at all in finance. Not really a target school - really more focused on entrepreneurship.
Stern is a cutt-throat bitchy place to be but it places it's cream of the crop into the banking industry.
objective observation: nyu kids on this thread seem pretty chill while a fair amount of the non are complete douchebage
I'm still a prospective monkey such as yourself, but as far as I can tell, all your schools (especially Duke/Columbia) do fine. Like Sav said, Stern is a competitive school largely populated by aspiring banker Asians. I stayed overnight there once with a friend and the atmosphere seemed way too cut throat and cliquey (cliques as in groups of Chinese/Korean kids who stand together to reject the use of English and form cheating circles). If it weren't for the fact that you could escape all of that by hopping on a train/cab/bus, it's seriously be unbearable. I'd honestly choose Columbia - you're in New York, have superb (and diverse) alumni, more intellectual (aka intelligent but not cut throat) atmosphere, and an Ivy name.
Where did you get those postings from? I have current access to NYU's careernet, and a search for goldman shows up nothing but jobs that talk about goldman. I have a friend in Steinhardt who already has a job and let me sift through.
There's a difference between interviewnet and careernet, retard. It's not being defensive, it's called giving a rat's ass about your alma mater.
Retards don't go to ivy league schools; they apply, get rejected, and end up going to second-rate schools like NYU, retard.
Regardless of the posting, with 40k students at NYU, and firms not keeping their recruiting at ratio and only taking a maximum of 10 per division, odds at NYU are way worse than elsewhere, especially now.
stern is cuthroat and wall street is cuthroat... Nyu stern makes up with it immense network opportunities for it lower ranking
Maybe these postings are for Stern and not NYU as a whole
I don't see why you would feel "inferior" to Columbia MBA students, NYU Stern is a top MBA program and Columbia is not that far ranked ahead of Stern, four places maybe which is nothing. If you want to feel "inferior", you should feel inferior to Harvard MBA's.
Monst4r, you're a douche, and I doubt that list was put up to try to impress anyone. Just clearing stuff up.
Pot calling the kettle black here?
Stern might not be an "ivy", but in this market it doesn't mean shit...it's how well you've networked, and given NYU's location, anyone here who hasn't done so is, well, a bit retarded.
You could list 10,000 positions from any school's career services and that doesn't change one simple fact: No matter what recruiting options are available to you, unless you secure one of the positions they are meaningless. Quit bickering over which school has the best opportunities or the biggest assholes, none of that matters. All that it proves is that even when presented with hundreds of potential jobs, you couldn't seal the deal. It is amazing to see all of the poor attitudes displayed in this thread.
I recognize NYU kids were trying to defend their school's rep, the thread should have been deleted from the start.
~~~~~~~~~~~ CompBanker
^^ LOL
Yo Conf 789,
Its getting late now, but you have to attend an OCR orientation and get access to Interviewnet. Then you will be able to see all the jobs listed, but like I said it's getting late so hurry up and do it. Most of the big banks deadlines have passed, I believe UBS and some scattered divisions of other banks are still available but they are due within this week.
I donno what the fighting is about, I don't know him but I believe riffraff was just clearing up that there were positions listed unlike the original poster stated.
And of course you guys are right, just because they are listed doesn't mean they will take people.
As far as all the NYU kids who are douches & being Ivy rejects or whatever, who really gives a shit about that stuff?
Wow thanks for posting the list, I'm impressed that's literally 10x as many posting as we got in the good years.
So I crunched some numbers out of boredom. There are about 120 postings and about 570 juniors at Stern, NYU. Let's assume we have 250 more applicants from other schools. So there are about 820 students in total. So assume each posting takes 4 students on average. So about (820 - 480) 340 students will not end up with any internship in finance.
Comparative Breakdown (Top 2 CDN School) 250 Juniors 25 finance postings Each posting takes 0.9 student on average 227 students without finance jobs
??
of course
nyu sucks... when i did my summer, the kids from nyu just weren't on par with the rest of our class
cornell sucks too. i was watching the office and that andy guy is a huge douchebag
Dick measuring is inevitable. Its a forum. Part of the fun is the bullshit.
http://www.imeem.com/groups/mmJvGtba/music/1QKoamL9/mickey_avalon_my_di…
Watching you nerds go at it over your school's "prestige" is hilarious. Why don't you clowns land a job before telling the others you're better than them.
Money's on Monst4r being a gimmick considering that club he started. He's working this forum pretty well.
Honestly, NYU probably gets more career opportunities than Cornell. Also, they don't have to go off-campus for superdays. This year most of the firms are doing all of interviews on campus, otherwise, in prior years Cornell students had to miss 1-2 days of class just to engage in 2nd round interviews. I envy NYU kids.
Might not be as selective, but seriously they're like next door to all the banks. Their face-to-face networking consists of walking down the block, mine consists of hauling my ass from upstate new york.
This is THE funniest damn thread I have ever read on this forum. Couple of thoughts:
-I'm proud that my school is snubbed at by these ivy d-bags while considered a peer by other great institutions. I actually wouldn't want it any other way; it's truly an honor.
-Thain is the man, but not getting laid until 40? gotta agree. By the way - if anyone fucked this party up, I still gotta point to Stan the Man. -If you dudes think Stern kids are bad - please take a quick walk across the street and visit the Tisch art school kids. I think EVERYONE on this forum can agree that those kids take the shaft real hard.
-FYI - rumor has it that there are a few offers from elite boutiques already extended to our class in "big apple" university, and a scattering of Asia banking offers as well - only more to come.
-Last - to you stern kids putting out a bad rep - bend over and take it - you're only asking for it. To the rest of you - I'll see you at Phebe's or some shit soon.
Hey guys, stop acting so immature. We all got into good schools. It ultimately comes down to you as an individual. If you want to argue about college, go to talk.collegeconfidential.com.
All the tisch kids come to school thinking they'll be the next Spielberg.
All the Stern kids come to school thinking they'll be the next CEO of Goldman.
All the kids that are realistic about their life prospects go to CAS (except for the political science/prelaw kids-they all think they'll be senior partner at Cravath).
As a CAS kid, part of me is happy that Stern and Tisch are subsidizing my tuition (Sternies and Tischies pay ~10% more).
actually, the tuition paid by stern and tisch students go directly to their respective schools. i mean how else would stern have the money for the free events and business trips and tisch all the fancy film/production equipment.
NYU is just an overpriced overrated school. It's filled with rich snobby kids who weren't good enough for an ivy and wanted to go to a private school in nyc.
stern sucks for real, when i visited they kept trying to tell me how great they were at going to wall street and then explaining to all the visitors what wall street is. look at them now
Interesting to note that there is a lot of NYU bashing going on here. Fact of the matter is that irrespective of which school one goes to, it ultimately depends on his/her personality to either succeed or fail! And NYU has some wonderful professors, a good brand name and above all awesome resources. Agreed I have not studied anywhere else to know the difference, but I do know couple of my friends who study at Cornell and at Columbia. Some of them are really stupid while the rest are wonderful!!! So, in the end, what will we achieve by just college bashing when everything that you need is inside you?
necro
NYU Stern (Originally Posted: 04/18/2009)
Hi, I am now trying to decide whether I should go for an undergraduate degree at NYU Stern as a finance major. I had a few questions about NYU that I hope some of you could help me answer. My main question was do you know how many people from Stern would get IB offers from banks in NYC? I have heard that about 40% of the class usually wants to do IB and about half of them get offers. Is that true? Also, do you know if most of the time summer interns get full-time positions and what is the percentage that usually do?
I truly do appreciate any help that I can get. I am just trying to think about everything before I decide to go to NYU because it will leave me with over 250k in debt and my state school is practically free but I know if I want to do IB I need to go to NYU but I am just really trying to understand the odds of landing an IB offer after I graduate from there. Thanks again for everyone's help.
http://www.nyu.edu/careerdevelopment/survey/2008/fulltime.php
adjust downward significantly
what you are comparing NYU Stern w/, though? these numbers are quite useless w/o some comparison
How bad is your state school? What's it rank among other public schools? There is a difference between non-target no-name schools and non-target nationally ranked schools.
What about scholarships or federal aid?
You do not have to go NYU to do ibanking. I would try to go somewhere around the proximity of New York but I wouldn't waste all that money. If you think you're that talented go to another school that is less expensive. It comes down to how much you want it and how hard you're willing to work.
You do not have to go NYU to do ibanking. I would try to go somewhere around the proximity of New York but I wouldn't waste all that money. If you think you're that talented go to another school that is less expensive. It comes down to how much you want it and how hard you're willing to work.
bro NYU is not worth the debt man especially 250K. New York City in general is a shitty place to go to college unless of course you go to Columbia. New York is expensive STAY AWAY DUDE and be at the top of your class at state university. Baruch is just as good for finance man. Leonard Stern got rejected from Cornell/Columbia therefor had to resort to NYU
now that was constructive
Jesus 250K really? I hope your meant to type 150K because 250K your looking at like 2000 a month in student loan payments alone after graduation. I don't care what job you get after graduation, that sticker price alone should make you steer clear.
Didn't you get any financial aid at all? scolarships? aren't your parents putting down anything? How are your expenses exceeding 60k an year???
Yeah, how are your expenses running you up to 60K a year. It should cost at most 50k, which in my opinion is still a lot of money.
The school is expensive, no question. Between tuition, books, apartment rental, and general living costs, it could easily run to 60k a year. With that said, I think most of us figure out ways to reduce our budgets.
If you do well at Stern and take the right steps, you will get a job in IBD. Ton of banks recruit, so the opportunities will be there, but it's up to you to take advantage of them.
Last--40% are not vying for IBD positions, and 1/2 of them (which is like 100 students) are not working in IBD next year. Good Luck with your decision.
Before, I begin - I graduated from Stern...
Recruiting: (ESTIMATIONS) Class Size - 500 kids/year IB Dreams - 250 kids in 1st year, 200 in 2nd, 100 in 3rd IB Jr SA Offers - 50 kids IB FT Offers - 60 kids
Prestige: Stern is bullshit compared to HYP, Wharton, Stanford, MIT Stern > Columbia FU, but Stern
I tend to disagree with you ThirdYearAss
1) 250k loan is not a fucking chump change. Take in account taxes, living expenses, rent, personal expenses, car loans, top MBA school ($140,000), etc. Is it possible to pay it off in 10 years? Definitely, but the kid's lifestyle will be shit (cheap car, shitty apartment, no models & bottles) on top of 60 - 100 hours of work.
2) It also depends what state school are we talking about. Is it in top 20 publicly ranked schools in the nation, or is it in top 100? Are there alums on Wall Street?
3) I go to a complete non-target school (top 10/15 public). Unlike you ThirdYearAss, I actually know what it's like being a non-target. Sure it sucks, but I'd rather work my ass off to keep GPA near 4.0, double/triple major, do extra work (join more clubs, athletics, etc), spend more time on various certificates & tests (SAT, GMAT, CFA, WSP, DealMaven, etc.) than have a $250k outstanding loan by the time I graduate. I am fairly confident I'll be able to land FT at MM, but then again, my school is known.
4) I'll have a $20k federal loan by the time I graduate. 5% annual interest rate will kick-in the day after graduation, right now it's 0. Let's calculate kids monthly payment: Best case: $200k loan, 4% interest rate after graduation, 20 years => $1333.16 monthly payment. Worst care: $250k loan, 5% interest rate after graduation, 10 years => $2545.57
Few questions: 1) Why FT at MM and not BB? Perhaps because the BBs don't recruit as heavily as they do at targets. If so, even though you worked your ass off, your comp will not compare in the associate years.
2) By 26, I paid off more than 3/4 of my debt. I paid for my freshman year tuition by senior year. I worked part-time every semester and worked full time every summer. I chose not to pay it all off early for simply tax reasons. No mortgage/house/car and single = Government fucks you for almost half your paycheck.
3) It is risky that you assume you'd get a high paying job, but Stern is easy and employment part-time during the year comes at will.
If you got the balls to think you could get the grades, Stern > any state school.
1) Only very few students can safely say "I will secure FT @ BB/elite." That's why I am not sure about BB, but pretty confident about good MM. I am aiming towards BB/elite, but it all comes down to networking for me.
2) Impressive
3) That make sense. I live in small town and I was very lucky to land a part-time lucrative internship (full-time over summer), but it's 35 miles away.
What do you mean by state school? Some states differentiate state schools and state universities. In my posts I combined them together, but if OP was talking about state school, not state university (like Berkeley, or UCLA), then taking out $250k loan would make sense.
Is NYU a target? (Originally Posted: 10/02/2009)
Is NYU a target school for top firms? Great school, but is it a target? Does NYU hold equal weight? Meaning, is NYU Stern respected more than NYU College of Arts & Sciences?
For the MBA it is target.
NYU CAS wouldn't exactly be a target I only met 1 my entire BB summer. The others were Stern, but my guess is if you're good you could try piggybacking on Stern events. Though not sure how their OCR and campus events could work to allow that
If you go to NYU, the bigger firms will expect you to have at least some involvement with Stern - in other words, whether you are Stern graduate, or double from Stern and CAS - Stern should be somewhere. The majority of bankers who attend NYU will come from Stern. It's just one of those things where even though NYU is a Target school, it is a Target school for Stern graduates, as opposed to schools like Princeton and other Ivies that are Target for all majors (especially since most of them aren't know, as Stern is, predominantly for the undergraduate B school).
IBanker www.BankonBanking.com [email protected] Articles, News, Advice and More Break Into Investment Banking
NYU Stern is a target school. All the large banks and boutiques recruit there. Not so much for their arts and sciences school, because they only have an Economics program, and if you're interested in a job on Wall St. you should major in Finance if you have the chance at Stern.
Undergraduate recruits are mostly Stern. There is an advantage when bankers/traders are minutes away from your campus. A few arts/sciences kids will make it and the math majors at Courant get looks for quantitative recruiting. Courant especially at the grad level is a top program. Stern MBA places well, again being in lower Manhattan helps.
one of the smartest kids I have ever met is a nyu grad ; )
Stern is one of the most heavily recruited schools on Wall Street.
In Goldman's top 5 2nd most represented school in IBD at BarCap Core school at MS, UBS, CS, BofA ML, and Citi
Also strong representation at the elite boutiques - Greenhill, Evercore, Moelis, Houlihan, PWP
Many many other boutiques as well - Sagent, Piper Jaffrey, etc.
The only major bank that does not come to NYU for on-campus recruiting is Deutsche Bank. All of the above mentioned firms come to campus to recruit.
On-campus presentations and interviews are available to all of NYU. So CAS potentially have the same opportunities, but the Stern name holds more weight.
*disclosure - brother is a recent grad at Stern and is currently at a BB
There is a very big distinction between target schools that is often overlooked on this board, but can make a big impact come recruiting.
Group A is the schools where employers come to recruit smart kids, who have many different prospects at the time of graduation: grad school, research, banking, etc. They are the smartest of the bunch, and pretty much succeed at anything they want to pursue in life. This includes Harvard, MIT, Yale, Stanford. Group B schools are of lower prestige. Banks come to recruit here, but the number of spots is drastically less and the competition for each spot is much more fierce, because banking wannabes who couldn't get into the Group A schools often settle for these colleges because they have these "target" banking pedigrees according to the experts on WSO. This includes all the lower Ivies like Cornell, Dartmouth and other schools like Duke. There are some obvious exceptions like Wharton and Princeton that carry characteristics from both groups, but fall into group A because they are selective.
The reason why I'm mentioning this is that NYU is probably the epitome of schools that fall within the B category. In fact, I would even go so far as to put it within a separate Group C along with "target" business schools at state colleges, such as Michigan. The difference is that at Stern, you have 600 students, and all of them have had their eyes set on Banking from day 1. Whereas you may only have 150 students applying for SA internships junior year at Yale, all 600 students will apply at Stern, most likely for less spots and with better resumes. So yes, Stern IS a "target" by common definition and all(?I don't believe this) banks recruit there, but the students will definitely face a much harsher process come recruiting time than would students at either Stanford or MIT.
Stern is better described as a "semi-target", because although BBs do come to recruit there, the number of analysts/SAs from stern in most BBs pale in comparison to the "Group A" schools which Sirbankalot is referring to. Given the sheer amount of finance wannabes in Stern who think that they're gonna get IBD spots in BBs just because they go to a school in NYC and study finance, the representation of Stern relative to the Group A schools isn't very promising. Some of my friends who're upperclassmen in Stern themselves confirm what I'm saying. I've also seen this through SA resume books.
Funny, it seems every time the name Stern comes up, here you are Robes adding your two cents. For someone who doesn't go here, you sure have a lot to say about the finance wannabes. Afraid your lower "Ivy" diploma won't land you a job?
Those are quite pretentious comments. It makes me wonder how many of you have actually worked on Wall Street.
I completely agree with you that the Group A schools are the most prestigious. But that does not mean they are the best represented on Wall Street.
At the boutiques, they like to target undergrads who have finance background. That eliminates most of the "Group A" schools you just mentioned simply because you can't major in finance. When you look at the schools that Evercore, Greenhill, PWP, and Moelis come to campus for, aside from Wharton, a lot of them are not Ivies. Evercore, Greenhill and Moelis particularly like Wharton, UVA, and Stern. PWP seems to have an affinity towards Georgetown.
When going to the bulges, again Stern had the 2nd highest number of summers this year at BarCap. Second only to Wharton.
Duke is very well represented at MS and BofA.
Georgetown is also in Goldman's top 5.
And those are just a few examples. Those Group A schools will certainly give you opportunities, but don't for a minute think that Wall Street loves them above all others and saves 10 spots for them and 2 spots for all the others.
If you need even further proof, Blackstone M&A and Restructuring both hire from NYU. In your obsession with prestige, they're about as stringent as you'll get from a Wall Street firm. And there are plenty of schools in your "Group A and B" that they don't consider.
I would say that if you want to get into banking, Stern should be your second choice to Wharton. Their "night analyst" program is amazing and really beefs up your resume. Honestly, it makes their work experience section look a lot better than Penn resumes.
If you are referring to Merrill Lynch's Night Analyst program, that no longer exists. The Stern school does not have any Analyst programs.
Ya man, fuck Harvard and Stanford.
Keep in mind that when we consider giving people offers, not only do we consider intelligence, we also consider:
1) Does this candidate know what investment banking really is? 2) Does this candidate really know what he is getting himself into (i.e. hours, mindless work, etc)?
We consider these criteria because we don't want analysts quitting or getting so disillusioned that they push back on work after 3 months. Chances are Harvard and Stanford kids don't do well when we ask those two questions. Let's face it. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to be a banking analyst. We want reasonably smart kids who also know and can take all the bullshit that investment banking really is.
A lot of overeager banker-wannabes on this board can say, "Sure, 120 hours a week of mindless monotony and constant pressure is no problem." But really, try doing it.
It was more of an offhand comment than anything. I can tell you that if we have a candidate from Wharton vs. a candidate from Harvard with similar credentials, the Harvard kid is getting the offer.
Though it probably doesn't matter too much. If you're debating between NYU/Wharton and Harvard/Stanford, you're probably in pretty good shape. Opportunities will be endless.
this can be settled easily. someone please post how many analysts are represented in each BB/elite boutique from each school (both for FT and SA), and we can make conclusions about relative representations of each school
Robes, you are a homo. The school itself won't get you a job, no matter where you go. You need to be at the top of your class, network, get solid internships, and know how to interview to break into IB. As long as you go to one of the Ivy's or a good undergrad business school, the rest is pretty much up to the individual.
I agree with you Banker88 in terms of you need to be the best of the best in your school in order to work in BB, NY, but I don't see the logic of Robes being homo though... I don't understand why people have to be rude on this forum.
Stern >> ALL!!
No
NYU stern is for sure a target.
NYU Stern placement (Originally Posted: 04/12/2010)
I know NYU Stern has a great finance program, and its reputation has improved considerably in the last 5 years. Curious to know what their placement is like in BB S&T and also hedge funds. Do most top firms recruit at Stern?
Undergraduate - yes. Although not too many HFs. But several of my friends are doing S&T at BBs this summer, and some friends who have already graduated are also at BBs in S&T.
Not sure about MBA but I'd assume so.
Stern has a very good relationship with most of the top BBs on Wall St.
I was under the impression it places well on the sell side, but not so much on buy side
stern gets talked about way too much on this board.
goes to show how easy it is to get in.
GS gets talked about way too much on this board.
goes to show how easy it is to get in.
most i-banks and boutiques recruit for both ibd and S&T (contrary to some people's belief that its mostly ibd)
you wouldn't see too many hedge funds recruiting though, only some bullshit little ones for part-time semester internships.
^^ touche.
this will prob answer ur question:
http://www.nyu.edu/careerdevelopment/students/career_fairs/FallFairEmpl…
I was under the impression that NYU Stern is a borderline top 10 MBA in US. So I assume it's got great link ups with BBs and plenty of other opportunities
NYU Stern's peer schools? (Originally Posted: 08/11/2010)
What are NYU Stern's peer schools in terms of recruiting for undergrad and MBA?
Personally, I'd say Rice & UCLA. Both of those schools feed into regional BB's. NYU feeds into NYC BB but I don't think it would if it wasn't in the NY area, so its a 'regional target', even though NYC is the shit for finance. This is just my own opinion though, not like any of this really matters
Definetly not on the level of Ivys or HYPS. I would say Haas, Olin, Marshall, or possible a Upenn CAS major who took a class in Wharton. (the latter would be a step up though)
I don't know where these posters/kids are getting their ideas nowadays...
In terms of raw numbers for undergrad, NYU's peers are:
Cornell, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal (on the west coast)
In terms of representation #'s (not proportional) for NYC:
Stern is definitely a target in NYC and elsewhere. The above two posters sound like college kids with no clue. Rice? UCLA? WashU? USC? Please. You see very few kids from those schools. Especially in NYC and many of those schools don't even have reputable finance programs. Apples to oranges.
Agree with Solidarity except on the fact that those other schools don't have reputable finance programs. All of those schools have reputable finance programs (they are all highly ranked for undergrad and MBA), except they don't place well in Banking. But Banking is not the only field in finance. If we are speaking in terms of recruiting for Banking alone, NYU >>>>>>>> Rice, UCLA, WashU, USC. The other schools have strengths in different areas so I'd agree its like comparing Apples to Oranges.
Is Gtown really that high up???
Ditto Solidarity.
I 100% agree with Solidarity
NYC isn't a region, it is fucking Mecca of finance.
For MBA I'd say Haas, Darden, Fuqua, McCombs, Ross, Johnson, UCLA. The bottom of the top, one could say.
How does NYU stern stand vs. Duke and Cornell to be specific?
Duke and Stern are equal, Cornell is slightly ( I stress slightly) below those two.
If you listen to kids who go to Stern, they are peerless.
stern's peers are wharton and princeton
^The iPhone is peerless.
iphoned's comments are gormless.
NYU MBA places well into banking and sales&trading. But if you want a buyside job, whether it's a hedge fund or investment management firm, you shouldn't go there since those places don't even recruit at NYU.
NYU Stern does well in terms of numbers because it's about 600 kids a year for undergrad. 600 kids who want to focus on primarily finance, accounting and marketing. You probably won't have 600 kids who want to do business from each year at non business schools (maybe Cornell aside, because it's big).
That's why they are able to bring in large numbers. That, and location of course.
Wharton, Princeton, Cornell
THEN WHERE DOES BUY SIDE FIRMS RECRUIT?
Thoughts on NYU Stern - For those the know (Originally Posted: 01/10/2011)
Wanted to see what people in the know thought about NYU. I have applied to Columbia, Wharton, Kellogg and Duke and was thinking about doing a last minute NYU application (basically all of my essays will crossover).
How is NYU perceived. Is it basically considered the school that Columbia kids didn't go to. Do people choose NYU over Columbia. Or are you automatically pegged as someone that didn't get into Columbia.
I just don't know if its worth applying this year or waiting until next year when I would reapply to Columbia if I don't get in. I want to do development finance after school, think IFC, and know the schools that I'm applying to all have good international/social focuses and place kids into jobs at the IFC and similar places but I haven't been able to get a pulse on NYU in that regard because their career report doesn't site companies just placement numbers.
Thanks in advance.
MBA right? I suspect Stern undergrad is stronger than the MBA, but the name carries a lot of weight in the finance world.
You should have applied early decision to Columbia if you had significant doubts. Its helps immensely. NYU is a solid program and will get you a sell-side banking job if that is your aim. Look at their employment report. The whole ranking think gets old after a while. You will get the same recruiting exposure out of Stern that you do from Columbia. There is a prestige difference, but for all intensive purposes will probably attain the same resules as a Columbia grad. It really has more to do with your interview performance and past work experience. I got into both programs, and I did their application on a whim, and got in very quickly after applying. It really helps if you can get a grad to contact the admissions office and recommend you (not as an official recommendation, but like an informal email to the admissions office talking about how valuable you would be as an addition to the Stern Network and why).
smith, get back to work you fking sloth if you're not smith, then forgive the intrusion. Stern's a good school, nobody on the street looks down on it.
ke18sb, CBS has been putting a lot of emphasis on their social enterprise program in recent years and so I would look more into that at Columbia. NYU Stern is a great institution and I would not worry too much about how people perceive you, although I know it's hard not to, and focus more on the type of courses offered/who recruits at Stern vs CBS. Both schools will give you great opportunities to get into sellside finance and consulting, but I think you will get more on campus recruiting opportunities for development finance at CBS.
No recruting at NYU (Originally Posted: 09/06/2011)
Short story, I go to non target, friend goes to NYU (Not Stern) and he gave me access to NYU OCR. So I can reach out to recruiters. The only thing is I see only a handful who are recruiting from NYU. I thought NYU was a target and tons of recruiting took place at NYU. Can anyone confirm that only these banks are recruiting? because I feel like I'm not using OCR correctly since NYU is suppose to get tons of recruiting.
Robert Biard- all offices Greenhill- LA and NY office, deadline was yesterday Blackstone- M&A and Reconstructing- deadline was yesterday Tudor- deadline Sept 18. BAML Latin Group- Miami and NY office
Citi- Asian countries Credit Suisse- Asian countries Evercore- Hong Kong office
I'm pretty sure you've been in all the threads about hiring freezes....
not so subtle Columbia trolling...
It's ok, firms don't "recrut" at my school either.
I used the excel function on the NYU OCR website a while back (so some might not be here anymore. I think Barclays and RBC both were removed) and here are some banks you are missing:
Citi (non-Asian countries) Wells Fargo Moelis Piper Jaffray JPMorgan risk Peter J. Solomon Jefferies Lazard (done) Oppenheimer Stifel Houlihan Lokey TD Securities BAML risk Nomura Evercore US (done) Morgan Stanley Deutsche Bank quant Macquarie
informal hiring freezes son. FT class is going to be 1/3 the size. And SA offers make up an even larger percentage than usual (though only about 50% of SA's are getting offers which is low- that is more than enough to fill up most of the small FT class).
Ballmouse is correct. You are not using it correctly.
In short, you were not given access to OCR. You were given access to the general job listings board available to all NYU students. On-campus recruiting lists on a separate section from what you see.
Ballmouse's list is more accurate with a few of the newest listings missing.
Hahaha. Stern and Columbia College actually placed similarly at BBs last year. :)
But in NYC, Columbia still reigns supreme.
TheKid1, you are using NYU Career site incorrectly. You need to click interviewnet and see all. Not careernet.
It seems like he doesn't have access to Interviewnet. Could this be because hes not Stern? I
Funny cus Goldman basically replaced NYU Stern with Penn State on its target schools list hahaha
Are you a full retard or just half?
jef gave 1 out of 9 offers in fixed income s+t for analysts other sternies can confirm
OCR positions are for everyone. However they can be limited by specific major, gpa etc. For instance, some BBs have no major restrictions, some firms are ok with econ, some only want finance/accounting or math etc.
What position is Tudor recruiting for?
If Goldman replaced Stern with Penn State, it says more about Goldman than NYU/PSU.
Yeah, I guess that makes sense if you're a total idiot. The ONLY kid from last year's exiting 2nd year class in FIG at GS who went to Carlyle, was a PSU kid. PSU kids from Goldman have gone to TPG in years prior, and also to SAC, so shut the fuck up talking about shit you don't know about. They have placed a focus on that school because the quality of the candidates has been unbelievably impressive.
Yea and pretty much all the Stern kids I've met have been total douchers
You really read into that comment, didn't you?
Stern has ~2500 undergrads, Smeal has over twice that at around 5500.
NYU as a whole has around 25,000 undergrads, PSU has close to 40,000 at the University Park campus.
When a company is looking to cut back on recruiting costs, why not target the large state schools. I didn't attend either of these schools (Which clearly, you rufiolove did) but it does say something that Goldman would replace an internationally recognized business school in NYC with a good state school in nowhereville PA.
It would say something except that it's clearly not true as nobody gives a rats ass about Penn State, might as well go to Oklahoma state.
I think it says that even Goldman thinks Stern kids are douchers (irony)
You people forget that not all the kids who get jobs from NYU are even in Stern! I know a number of very smart kids in other schools (CAS, Gallatin etc) who beat out the Sternies for the IBD and S&T jobs. To tell you the truth, if I were a recruiter, I would be pretty sick of seeing "Stern" on every freaking resume... being diff is a positive in this environment.
and GS was at NYU today with a table at career fair....
As I said, I didn't go to either of these schools, I'm just going off of the information in this thread, but it would seem odd for Goldman to pass on NYU, Stern or otherwise. Recruiters actually do give a rat's ass about Penn State, but not as much as a few of the PSU kids on this board care to believe. A top 50 close enough to Philly for recruiters that spits out 40k kids a year is likely to have some sucess stories.
NYU Undergrad (Originally Posted: 10/07/2012)
How is nyu undergrad viewed by Business schools? Like if I didn't get into Stern?
You can do very well coming out of NYU CAS.
The question is how good is your first job, and how good is your GMAT?
Well don't tell them that you "didn't get into stern" Act like you chose the major you wanted to pursue.
People on this board are pretty obsessed with Stern, but unless you want to major in finance/marketing/business administration Stern isn't for you.
How good is NYU's Accounting program?
Is NYU stern considered top tier? (Originally Posted: 03/06/2013)
is it a target school and if not what is?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Is+NYU+stern+considered+top+teir%3F
Good? Yes. Top tier? No. Top tier = M7. google that.
Also, search function.
I'm with CWM, it has a solid reputation in finance, not so much MBB. If in NY, a school like Columbia would open many more doors. Some top firms hire up to 10x more of the class at CBS. Not bad if you're dinged from M7. Seriously though, use search, this has been beaten to death.
PS If you're going to ask serious questions please check your spelling at least.
i dont know if this changes things but this is for undergrad
Repellendus molestiae quae vel sunt unde est ad. Ut et voluptatem nihil. Ut sint ut pariatur non ipsam doloribus id. Voluptas a et accusantium consequatur veritatis. Officiis quia et qui sequi.
Sint quae vero inventore aut impedit eius et corrupti. Facilis velit dolore sit qui rerum.
See All Comments - 100% Free
WSO depends on everyone being able to pitch in when they know something. Unlock with your email and get bonus: 6 financial modeling lessons free ($199 value)
or Unlock with your social account...
A saepe omnis voluptas deleniti. Aliquid quas sed aut voluptatem omnis rem aut. Iste et ut dolores blanditiis possimus totam.
Nesciunt quod et adipisci tenetur. Sint nobis doloremque mollitia accusamus aut. Et aliquam explicabo est est rerum magni corporis.
A non vel natus. Voluptas aliquid facere dolores fuga. Error sunt excepturi mollitia. Doloribus aut quod quia inventore aut nostrum quod optio. Vel maxime voluptatem eum ut est voluptate exercitationem ipsam. Voluptas aut provident optio esse architecto dolore.
Minima optio assumenda ducimus doloremque. Id et sint facilis atque sit reiciendis dolor. Et omnis eos eum alias eaque officiis.
Et ut ea qui. Vitae earum aut voluptas. Voluptas sed ut qui. Sapiente quia eum dicta et dolorum nobis.
Voluptates quaerat est ipsum qui. Ut optio harum dolorum blanditiis quia soluta minus. Error nemo debitis consequatur modi repudiandae.
Praesentium dolor architecto recusandae voluptas dolore esse ad. Officiis quo fuga ullam voluptatem necessitatibus temporibus qui. Dignissimos rerum aut officia aut quia nihil quae.
Qui eum voluptatem nesciunt. Quae minima velit ut est. Qui facere voluptatem sequi officiis. Sapiente non cumque occaecati sunt eaque mollitia laboriosam. Quis consequuntur et hic sit facilis quo at. Quis enim suscipit qui error quas vel. Sit et non eum numquam ipsa rerum et.
Praesentium necessitatibus accusamus aut molestiae. Non fugiat voluptatem et incidunt sequi dolore. Quae at aspernatur magni. Repudiandae dolor qui ea iure. Laborum sit molestiae autem nulla atque. Non asperiores est veniam itaque. Labore mollitia est quo. Qui quae sequi rerum sint aut sapiente.
Eum sapiente delectus vitae nihil repellat doloremque ducimus. Velit dolorem sequi dolore. Dolore vitae perferendis veritatis dolores modi quod deserunt delectus.
Dicta dolor officiis ut inventore qui dignissimos iste. Saepe aut rerum alias neque et velit. Nam rem et quaerat sint qui.
Incidunt facere aut labore consequatur neque. Est dolores sit illum quia laborum. Et repudiandae sit labore doloremque quasi. Dolorem sint iusto suscipit magni ipsa.
Et voluptas pariatur autem et sint. Dignissimos animi consequatur pariatur quidem ea ut. Perspiciatis corporis ad aut maxime ratione. Cum aspernatur enim beatae. Facere dolorem et non fugit. Impedit sunt tenetur esse. Est iste perspiciatis id praesentium mollitia itaque est.
Voluptas laborum adipisci quidem et vitae. Tempore soluta ut maiores itaque voluptas. Molestias vero nemo reprehenderit id corrupti architecto. Quis modi sequi tempora quos ea facere.
Sunt veniam unde soluta omnis. Ut aut reprehenderit dolor tenetur labore. Ut et provident sit cupiditate. Harum aliquid rerum sit aut illo ut.
Maiores perferendis sed perspiciatis enim. Ut facilis itaque numquam omnis voluptatibus nesciunt. Tempore mollitia vel consequatur veniam ipsa. Non non hic corrupti quidem magni ea. Qui corrupti praesentium assumenda eius cupiditate nobis iure.
Id officia vero est et corrupti. Sit modi qui culpa dignissimos ut amet similique. Enim eaque quia veritatis autem quo numquam.
Consequuntur odio enim cumque excepturi molestias quidem natus. Et quam cupiditate dicta ut rerum veritatis. Aut vel hic saepe numquam delectus consequatur eum. Repellat maiores officiis autem et in aliquid voluptatibus. Accusamus perspiciatis et ut cumque. Quam aliquid in nam distinctio.
Blanditiis quasi aliquam facilis vero et id id. Quae porro a at beatae dolores aut sed. Architecto pariatur labore ut iure labore qui. Inventore explicabo eius aperiam porro odit est. Voluptatem quidem at et. Numquam et sint ut voluptatem.