Prestige of the girl you're dating?

Do bankers really end up marrying teachers, nurses, flight attendants, etc.?

I'm having a tough time finding a girl that's "on my level" from a education and work background (top university, top BB). I find myself drawn towards ivy league girls (thing for Harvard girls in particular) who are in "prestigious" finance. business, law or medical positions. Success is attractive and it signals a degree of confidence, motivation and level of security in being able to provide for a family.

However, I'm getting a lot more interest from girls who went to less than inspiring schools and have run of the mill jobs. And even if they are quite physically attractive, it's in the back of my mind and it's hard for me to fully commit.

Anybody feel similarly?

 
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I'm in the same boat as you, bro. I have a hard time taking seriously girls who did not go to top schools and/or have solid jobs. To me it demonstrates a lack of intelligence, work ethic, and ambition. Every time I'm on a date with a girl who has a mediocre job, I can't help but think that she's a gold digger who is going to use me. But if the girl is at least on my level, I'm much less concerned since she has her own money and has her shit together.

This is one reason why so many couples come out of top b-schools. Like attracts like.

 

I was under the impression that b school students worth looking at were dating/married already.

also OP, that's extremely shallow. nothing wrong with wanting someone who's ambitious, but if you're seriously the type of person who judges your significant other based on the prestige of her school and the number on her W2, then I've got no advice for you

 
thebrofessor:

I was under the impression that b school students worth looking at were dating/married already.

also OP, that's extremely shallow. nothing wrong with wanting someone who's ambitious, but if you're seriously the type of person who judges your significant other based on the prestige of her school and the number on her W2, then I've got no advice for you

This.

Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
 
mbavsmfin:

I'm in the same boat as you, bro. I have a hard time taking seriously girls who did not go to top schools and/or have solid jobs. To me it demonstrates a lack of intelligence, work ethic, and ambition. Every time I'm on a date with a girl who has a mediocre job, I can't help but think that she's a gold digger who is going to use me. But if the girl is at least on my level, I'm much less concerned since she has her own money and has her shit together.

This is one reason why so many couples come out of top b-schools. Like attracts like.

As if you have even close to enough money for a real gold digger to even think about dating you.

 
mbavsmfin:

I'm in the same boat as you, bro. I have a hard time taking seriously girls who did not go to top schools and/or have solid jobs. To me it demonstrates a lack of intelligence, work ethic, and ambition. Every time I'm on a date with a girl who has a mediocre job, I can't help but think that she's a gold digger who is going to use me. But if the girl is at least on my level, I'm much less concerned since she has her own money and has her shit together.

This is one reason why so many couples come out of top b-schools. Like attracts like.

You never disappoint my friend.

 

I don't know why you got so many MS. I think it's completely valid to question.

I think most women, ultimately, are looking to be cherished and cared about. Just like many young men are very focused on beauty, some young women are focused on status. It's a maturity thing, mostly. And it's so heavily hyped, people get caught up in it.

Regardless of looks or money, dating and hooking up is just part of the process, and is different from a serious committed relationship.
Ultimately, connection on a deeper level is what takes hold for it to be successful. Fully agreed that intellectual matching is a major component. I think it's cute you have a thing for Harvard girls - why not. Just...where someone attends school, or their job, is not really the sole indicator of intelligence, or even ambition. You might just be at different stages of a career path. If only everyone could be so certain academically and professionally out of the starting gate, but they're not. As for gold diggers, you'll know it when you see it. And no one say you have to be used! This is the modern era, and women should never depend on a man for $/survival - have seen way too many horrific divorces to prove that one out!

Why are these 'less inspiring' girls the ones you're finding, more so than the better-educated ones, and are you really giving them a chance?

If you like Ivy girls, date Ivy girls. See how it goes. One day someone will grab your heart, and that's that.

As for beauty, with a little effort and $$, any girl can be beautiful.

As for bankers and who they marry, it's a mix, but I'd say most of the women are fairly to very well-educated. Certainly all are decently matched on intelligence, and the guys really respect their wives.

 

I personally know two bankers in my group who are dating or married to nurses. Also a journalist, two lawyers, stay at home parent, consultant - the list goes on.

I don't think there's a universal answer for your question. Maybe a general preference if you assume all bankers share certain qualities, but it's still a very individual thing at the end of the day.

 

Marry a teacher, here is why:

-Never worry about your healthcare (allowing you to make moves easier)

-Safety net for retirement (pension).

-No need for daycare during summers.

-Crazy amount of time off for vacations

-Stress level will not be as high when you get home every day as she will not be as burned out as you most likely will be.

Trust me, these things trump “prestige” once you reach a certain point in your life/career.

GTAA Mistmaker
 
CZtrader:

Marry a teacher, here is why:

-Never worry about your healthcare (allowing you to make moves easier)

-Safety net for retirement (pension).

-No need for daycare during summers.

-Crazy amount of time off for vacations

-Stress level will not be as high when you get home every day as she will not be as burned out as you most likely will be.

Trust me, these things trump “prestige” once you reach a certain point in your life/career.

CZtrader knows exactly what's up. I guess it all depends on personal preference but teachers (especially primary school teachers) are almost always the best wife material IMO.

It's a different case if you want the girl to financially support the family as well, but IMO none of us on WSO would "need" that. Other best wife materials IMO include artists, curators, pianists, violinists, cellists, and charity workers.

Not everyone is meant to make a difference. But for me, the choice to lead an ordinary life is no longer an option.
 
PARKER153:
CZtrader:

Marry a teacher, here is why:

-Never worry about your healthcare (allowing you to make moves easier)

-Safety net for retirement (pension).

-No need for daycare during summers.

-Crazy amount of time off for vacations

-Stress level will not be as high when you get home every day as she will not be as burned out as you most likely will be.

Trust me, these things trump “prestige” once you reach a certain point in your life/career.

CZtrader knows exactly what's up. I guess it all depends on personal preference but teachers (especially primary school teachers) are almost always the best wife material IMO.

It's a different case if you want the girl to financially support the family as well, but IMO none of us on WSO would "need" that. Other best wife materials IMO include artists, curators, pianists, violinists, cellists, and charity workers.

My buddy is married to a nurse. He was diagnosed last year with leukemia (he has thus far successfully beat it). There is nothing like have a nurse for a wife when you're seriously ill. The OP should keep in mind that a high powered female probably lacks that feminine maternal and caring instinct.

 

You certainly are limiting your options. I've dated a highly successful realtor, a couple girls who work in financial advisory roles, not to mention an attorney who was a partner in her firm. Sure, it's fun knowing you can plan awesome vacations and never feel like it is "all on you', but in the end it damn sure doesn't guarantee true happiness.

Now? Engaged to a grade school teacher. Sure, she doesn't make big bucks. No, she didn't graduate from some ivy school. But, she is fully devoted to her profession no different than myself or the rest of you folks here. I've never been happier compared to all my previous relationships.

Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
 

PS there's plenty of girls "on your level" as far as education and work background but if I had to guess you are not on "their level" as far as: ability to speak sentences clearly or personal hygiene.

This to all my hatin' folks seeing me getting guac right now..
 
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Are there any guides on here for getting a top girlfriend? Think banker/lawyer/doctor. I really don't want to go mid-tier and settle for engineer/accountant, but friends with target girlfriends told me sometimes you can start there and lateral. Any guidance? PS: freshman in HS so take it easy on me, just trying to plan ahead.

Also appreciate any commentary on blonde vs. brunette (mostly on fit here - have heard blondes might be easier to get in to but culture is tighter with brunettes).

 
Hugh Myron:

Are there any guides on here for getting a top girlfriend? Think banker/lawyer/doctor. I really don't want to go mid-tier and settle for engineer/accountant, but friends with target girlfriends told me sometimes you can start there and lateral. Any guidance? PS: freshman in HS so take it easy on me, just trying to plan ahead.

Also appreciate any commentary on blonde vs. brunette (mostly on fit here - have heard blondes might be easier to get in to but culture is tighter with brunettes).

I'm quoting this because it's seriously so epic, kudos bro, kudos.

I have to say this: what would redheads be then, back office?

 
thebrofessor:
Hugh Myron:

Are there any guides on here for getting a top girlfriend? Think banker/lawyer/doctor. I really don't want to go mid-tier and settle for engineer/accountant, but friends with target girlfriends told me sometimes you can start there and lateral. Any guidance? PS: freshman in HS so take it easy on me, just trying to plan ahead.

Also appreciate any commentary on blonde vs. brunette (mostly on fit here - have heard blondes might be easier to get in to but culture is tighter with brunettes).

I'm quoting this because it's seriously so epic, kudos bro, kudos.

I have to say this: what would redheads be then, back office?

Back office or backdoor?

 

I would only date a girl outside MBB for a dowry > 50 goats.

I mean is this for real? I guess I'm glad that there are ppl like this out there. I have a cousin in-law and she's got a top JD and always has trouble finding dates because she almost certainly makes more money than her potential suitors, which seems to intimidate them. Now in her mid-30s and baby years are quickly dissipating. If there are guys who crave ambition and preftige in a woman, maybe there is hope for the successful girls after all.

 
cauliflowerfractal:

I'm having a tough time finding a girl that's "on my level"

Nothing wrong with going for strong and independent women, but I wouldn't put too much emphasis on their pedigree. Those are traits, not line items on a resume. Other than that, stop using phrases like "on my level" or "prestige", it makes you sound like a tool.

 
ArcherVice:
cauliflowerfractal:

I'm having a tough time finding a girl that's "on my level"

Nothing wrong with going for strong and independent women, but I wouldn't put too much emphasis on their pedigree. Those are traits, not line items on a resume. Other than that, stop using phrases like "on my level" or "prestige", it makes you sound like a tool.

Spot on. I do care that a girl is smart and is passionate about something, but that's not what this thread is about. Sounds like the male OP is a gold-digger...that's a new one.

 
TheSanchize:

I could imagine few things that would suck more than dating a girl in IBD. Between both of you working 80-90 hours a week when would you have time to see each other? Plus, you would both have nothing going on in your life outside of work, which makes for some pretty fucking boring conversation.

I can only think of a few couples I know where they both have high paying/pressure careers, and the one that leaps to mind are both successful lawyers but they're those weird people who take pictures of all of their food and post it on facebook and they dress their little rat sized dogs up in people clothes, take pics and post them also. Moral of the story? You don't want to be those people. Marry a teacher.

 
Dingdong08:
I can only think of a few couples I know where they both have high paying/pressure careers, and the one that leaps to mind are both successful lawyers but they're those weird people who take pictures of all of their food and post it on facebook and they dress their little rat sized dogs up in people clothes, take pics and post them also. Moral of the story? You don't want to be those people. Marry a teacher.

Sounds like my wife and I, except our dogs are a rottweiler and a mid-sized mutt and neither would stand for being dressed up. We don't photograph our food, but we have a friend who does.

@cauliflowerfractal - I married a ex-Big Law lawyer, now banker (EAF, covering Latam out of NY) who works longer hours than I do and is smarter than me in many ways.

I love to talk about her (as anyone who has read enough of my posts probably knows) but the prestige opps for showing her off are terribly low in a banking career. I actually need to really try hard to engineer an event where I can get her in front of people I work with.

I did manage to get her in front of an old regional head once at a charity function and that worked very, very well for me. Largely it helped that I was in Asia at the time, my wife is ethnically Cantonese, my regional head was a strong headed lady and the optics of having a strong minded ethnic Chinese wife in Asia ("he knows the culture") who could argue intelligently with my regional head ("he isn't terrified of strong women") was good marketing. The regional head would ask after my wife for years afterwards.

I'd love to get her in front of my current NY bosses, largely as they are the sort of guys who would appreciate a ballsy woman who is not in charge of them, she's the sort of person who would deliberately try to shock them (eg she's discovered that Americans find "c*nt" more offensive than Australians and deploys it liberally now) and they are the sort of guys who would find that titallating.

There's potential for social prestige in being married to someone who is smart and accomplished, but most of our friends are not in banking and, luckily, care more about the quality of our characters than the size of our pay checks or the prestige of the deals we're invovled in.

What I do value in the relationship is intellectual stimulation and a certain similarity in experience. As we're both operating in the banking world, we can much more readily understand the context, politics and implications of work stories we tell each other. For example, if I say a banker is "a relationship guy", she knows exactly what I mean, the nuances of what I'm telling her and we can avoid long discourses on what that means. We can also give each other advice that is useful, although I think that's easy to overstate the benefit of that advice. Having someone who understand the work story context is more beneficial than the advice, probably more for her than me as she's a "dump the work stress on the partner" type, whereas I do that less often.

Otherwise, the intellectual stimulation mainly comes through talking about stuff completely unrelated to work - geopolitics, culture, arts etc. We don't have children and so have a lot of energy and intellectual capacity left for talking about interesting stuff rather than whether some kid has crapped her nappy yet. The intellectual frission we get through conversations is fantastic.

I've had relationships where I was with a less intelligent partner and I'm very happy I ended up finding and marrying someone who has a brain and the willingness to use it.

Now, that doesn't mean you need to find someone in a high paying career or who matches you qualification for qualification. I have quiet a few female friends who have only one university degree, but are intelligent and empathetic enough that I think that could keep me intellectually stiumulated. That could well be a teacher.

Those who can, do. Those who can't, post threads about how to do it on WSO.
 

You need to date a Veterinarian for these reasons:

1) They deal with pets

2) They are highly educated

4) They are very nice

5) Super passionate

If you don't agree then you clearly aren't a banker so don't bother disagreeing.

You know what else is fat, RUDENESS
 

Most of the consulting/finance IVY league dingbats I used to date were prestige whores, gets very annoying. Sure they're driven, but when it came to:

Conversation: very formal and boring. Sex: horrible, they expect you to maneuver. Activities: social events with other prestige whores.

I've found more common ground and fun with Big4 tax accountants, middle school teachers, and dermatologists... for some reason...

 
SocratesIsMortal:
I've found more common ground and fun with Big4 tax accountants, middle school teachers, and dermatologists... for some reason...

Lol, wtf? CPA is a solid upper middle class career which requires a masters degree - and Big Four offers require top grades and/or top feeder degree(s). And dermatology is literally the most competitive residency program after medical school - and one of the highest paying specialties. And middle/high school teacher requires a masters degree in most states. So, not exactly bottom of the prestige barrel, bud.

 

Agreed. In the UK medical students have the reputation of partying the hardest. They study the hardest but then proceed to get a night's worth of alcohol and drugs in them in about 1 hour.

Its honestly an amazing sight. Before a party you could be having a conversation with them about cutting edge chemical processes for the optimisation of cancer drug discovery and two hours later that same person is doing belly shots of vodka and dropping acid like its Woodstock

 

Why would you care where your girl went to school? Is she sweet, caring, cute, attractive, feminine, and slim? That's what's important.

Is she working in a high or low stress job? Hint: she's going to hit the wall pretty early if its the former. Does she eat healthy? Does she enjoy cooking? Hint: the best women do. Does she come from a good family? Does she swear? Hint: women that swear are repulsive. Does she dress well? Is she, or was she, a whore? Does she wear short skirts and low cut tops? Hint: No self respecting women does.

Go on a university exchange. You will meet 50+ American girls, 50+ European girls, 20 Brits and 10 Aussies. Mark my words, you will be able to pick out the Europeans girls. They are are class above the Aussies, Brits and Americans in every respect.

 
cauliflowerfractal:

Do bankers really end up marrying teachers, nurses, flight attendants, etc.?

I'm having a tough time finding a girl that's "on my level" from a education and work background (top university, top BB). I find myself drawn towards ivy league girls (thing for Harvard girls in particular) who are in "prestigious" finance. business, law or medical positions. Success is attractive and it signals a degree of confidence, motivation and level of security in being able to provide for a family.

However, I'm getting a lot more interest from girls who went to less than inspiring schools and have run of the mill jobs. And even if they are quite physically attractive, it's in the back of my mind and it's hard for me to fully commit.

Anybody feel similarly?

Just imagine. How in the heck did your ancestors procreate every generation for 1 billion years without Ivy League Wall Street banker girls around...?

 

If you're chasing prestige in yourlife, chances of you having a ruinous mid-life crisis are very high.

Are you guys in your 20s aware of mid-life crises and are you planning ahead in your career and life choices to minimise the risk of having one?

Those who can, do. Those who can't, post threads about how to do it on WSO.
 

My wife and I were on the same level of prestige after undergrad. But then she went to Harvard Business School and I went to Wharton so she left me because I wasn't prestigious enough. Stanford MBA's were her cut-off. She let me know after I get my CFA my prestige would be equivalent to her's and she may give our marriage another go.

Just yesterday, I was shopping at the local supermarket and realized I had purchased the store brand butter instead of Land'O'Lakes. I immediately went back to the store and returned my butter for a full refund because it wasn't "prestigious enough." There was just no way I could smear store brand butter on my Aunt Jemima pancakes which are equivalent to a Harvard MBA.

Daily, I find myself measuring the prestige of things as insignificant as the pens I use for work. There is just no way I could touch anything but a Pilot G2-07......

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I have been with my Griffins for three years and I should land a job at a 90+ billion AUM company. She's going to be a radiologist tech and she's stayed with me though all of it and never once brought up money. I think it depends on the girl not the profession.

"Fugazi, Fugazy. It’s a wazi. It’s a woozy.”
 

I thought this was going to be about prestige = hotness. I'm very disappointed.

Robert Clayton Dean: What is happening? Brill: I blew up the building. Robert Clayton Dean: Why? Brill: Because you made a phone call.
 

I know this is a finance forum but to equate top tier finance programs with intelligence is so ridiculous. People get into finance for two reasons: Money or they actually like it. However only a baboon would associate greed with intelligence. To each their own but on the spectrum of intellectual fields there isn't even a category for finance. I love finance. I get good grades and am happy with my life but to call myself intelligent would be the absolute dumbest thing I could ever think to say.

Someone is ambitious because they want a career that earns themselves a high salary? How about a higher understanding of life? What's really more valuable? I value the opinion of a PhD in physics or philosophy any day over a Harvard undergrad in Economics or Finance.

You have a lot to learn buddy and I was born in the 90s. Be happy defining your entire life by a paycheck.

 

I know this is a finance forum but to equate top tier finance programs with intelligence is so ridiculous. People get into finance for two reasons: Money or they actually like it. However only a baboon would associate greed with intelligence. To each their own but on the spectrum of intellectual fields there isn't even a category for finance. I love finance. I get good grades and am happy with my life but to call myself intelligent would be the absolute dumbest thing I could ever think to say.

Someone is ambitious because they want a career that earns themselves a high salary? How about a higher understanding of life? What's really more valuable? I value the opinion of a PhD in physics or philosophy any day over a Harvard undergrad in Economics or Finance.

You have a lot to learn buddy and I was born in the 90s. Be happy defining your entire life by a paycheck.

 

So funny and weird for me as a girl to read all this stuff. If you guys have problems finding a "suitable" (or whatever) girl while having a high paying / pressure job, what should then girls do who are in the same situation? It's a way more difficult.

 

I'm going to answer this seriously (which I know is dumb considering) but honestly I want a girl who has a less demanding job than me (that's also not to say that demanding automatically equals intelligent or ambitious). If I am working long hours I want to know that, when I am free, we actually have time to spend together. My current gf is like that. She understands if I'm pulling 80 hours this week and goes out of her way to make things easier for me outside of work. If I'm logging in from home on a Sunday she goes out and drops my dry cleaning off/picks up food/etc. It makes us a good team. Plus she has more time to spend in the gym.

That's what I prefer, anyways.

 

@AllDay_028

Agree. That's exactly what I mean. That sounds super for you as a guy. But imagine it the other way around - a girl working 80-100 hrs a week and a guy having a lot of free time. This doesn't seem to be so great any more. Moreover I think it won't work in most cases.

 
Akinakin:
But imagine it the other way around - a girl working 80-100 hrs a week and a guy having a lot of free time. This doesn't seem to be so great any more. Moreover I think it won't work in most cases.

My wife works longer hours than me. I love it. It means I can spend more time on my own hobbies when I'm not working.

Those who can, do. Those who can't, post threads about how to do it on WSO.
 
Akinakin:

@AllDay_028

Agree. That's exactly what I mean. That sounds super for you as a guy.
But imagine it the other way around - a girl working 80-100 hrs a week and a guy having a lot of free time. This doesn't seem to be so great any more. Moreover I think it won't work in most cases.

At least you have the pleasure of knowing you are prestigious enough for guys like the OP?
 

@AllDay_028

Hm maybe the pleasure of knowing. But that's it. I don't think it's a good idea to be with someone only because of prestige. At least not for me.

What I mean - in your situation it works fine, but the other way round it's somehow weird (it depends of course). And a relationship where both work so much is also difficult.

 
Akinakin:

@AllDay_028

Hm maybe the pleasure of knowing. But that's it. I don't think it's a good idea to be with someone only because of prestige. At least not for me.

What I mean - in your situation it works fine, but the other way round it's somehow weird (it depends of course). And a relationship where both work so much is also difficult.

Ya, it was a joke lol.

Dating as a female banker or whatever other demanding profession is hard, I completely agree with you.

 

Would an accomplished scientist with a PhD from Harvard fall in the prestige category even though she doesn't make much money? I guess not, because you only listed bankers/doctors/lawyers. You sound like my mom when she's defining good future husband material. Maybe you're my parents' age, in that case I completely get where you're coming from.

Seriously though, it's so obvious when a guy tries to show off where he went to school or that he works in some prestige banker role. Turn off.

 

ive been dating a girl on and off since undergrad who is doing her phd in something in astronomy at a top school. majority of what she does goes over my head and on an intellectual and intelligence level she would smash 99% of the people in banking or finance but she still does not and prolly will earn nearly as much as I would (assuming things go smoothly for me).

so I guess she fails the OP's prestige level scale lol

 

Thing is, many people in Finance subscribe to isolating themselves from practically everyone else and become a self-select group. The outside world couldn't care less about the right reservation at the best steakhouses or whether you have an MBA from a top 10 bschool or whether you have a sweet ride, or whether you just slept with a NY aspiring model. Patrick Bateman is satire. It isn't real for the majority of the world's population.

 

You can't stereotype a woman based on her job.

That being said, I dated a woman who went from target > banking. We were always in competition over anything & everything, both wanted to lead the relationship and after an amazing two years, it burst into flames like a Die Hard movie.

What concert costs 45 cents? 50 Cent feat. Nickelback.
 

In my experience upper class girls tend to have awful morals, high infidelity rate, think they ''earned'' respect after their parents set them up for top schools and jobs, want to ''have fun''/not start a family. Sure, maybe they can speak 4 languages, dress sexy etc. so I can understand the lure. They'll also be single at 35 and have a midlife crisis after which they'll take a trip around the world. I met a handful of exceptions anyway that were good people.

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.
 
cauliflowerfractal:
Do bankers really end up marrying teachers, nurses, flight attendants, etc.?

I'm having a tough time finding a girl that's "on my level" from a education and work background (top university, top BB). I find myself drawn towards ivy league girls (thing for Harvard girls in particular) who are in "prestigious" finance. business, law or medical positions. Success is attractive and it signals a degree of confidence, motivation and level of security in being able to provide for a family.

However, I'm getting a lot more interest from girls who went to less than inspiring schools and have run of the mill jobs. And even if they are quite physically attractive, it's in the back of my mind and it's hard for me to fully commit.

Anybody feel similarly?

This sounds like a healthy way to screen for potential life partners.

 

Look, at the end of the day, if you are looking to be with someone, be with someone you want to be with.

That might sound simple, or maybe even somewhat shallow, but get what you need. If you want a girl with 2 MBAs, go find that. But don't expect someone to be everything, i.e. smart/funny/fit/caring/thoughtful/not crazy etc.

Everyone is an individual, and we all need individual things. I know usually when a guy says they want a girl to be something or a type of way, they kinda get a harsh reaction, but on the flip side some women tend to be very picky about their mates (he HAS to be 6ft+, must drive a lexus).

If you really, realllly want to date a women in high finance, thats fine, but ask yourself what would you do if you found a women who checked all the boxes but was a teacher? (Hopefully you've figured this out over 4 years).

 

My opinion is you're going about it the wrong way. Considering you're already connected with your ivy-league/BB network you shouldn't need to be too concerned about vetting girls to make sure they're up to your standard if you stick to your normal social circles. Finding an SO is based entirely on feeling and not fact and I hope when you do find the girl you're truly interested that your judgement/skepticism doesn't get in the way.

 

Statistically ofc men are way more often ready to date/marry down re: income/skills than the other way around. Since bankers - contrary to real celebs - usually are also not that famous that it would be hard to meet someone who is not primarily interested in your money/fame in the first place, i am pretty sure most from the financial class decide also primarily by (subjective) beauty like every other average man. Personally i think education and ckeverness are very sexy but there are ofc traits which are able to outbalance it.

 

Dude I can't believe you even have to ask this question. A connection at GOLDMAN SNACKS?!?!

There's 3 things in life that are more important that anything. 1. Being an investment banker 2. Being an investment banker in NYC 3. Being an investment banker in NYC who works at Goldman Snacks.

There's a few things that (shockingly) this takes a priority over. 1. Your family 2. Your health 3. The health of your family 4. Your happiness 5. The happiness of your family

If that man needs his shoes shined, YOU SHINE HIS SHOES. If the mom needs her dress hemmed then by god you find a needle and you hem that damn dress. Afterwards, 'accidentally' leave your resume and squash racket on the kitchen counter. You'll be chilling with the boss man Lloyd B before you have the time to check your first direct deposit.

 

The funny thing about this thread is that I got shit because people thought I would do it and then because I said I wasn't going to.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.
 

Maybe you should give a "lowly" teacher a chance. Might be surprised by her intellectual prowess, and maybe you should judge her based on her overall character, not just her title.

 

Not all women want people for the money some are actually genuine anybody who wants to be a teacher or a nurse probably isnt it for the money because they get paid like crap for a lot of work that they do

 

Whatever you do, marry your own.

By "own" I mean someone who would be considered your peer. Not necessarily someone with your exact same career or heritage, but someone who at least had a similar upbringing, has a similar lifestyle, has had similar experiences, and overall has the same outlook on life as you do.

This will minimize conflict and maximize compatibility. I once took a chance on a girl who came from a completely different from me (especially in terms of morality and friend groups), and all we did was argue.

"Work ethic, work ethic" - Vince Vaughn
 

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