11/19/12

Please understand that this isn't a question like "Help me lie about my GPA." The only reason I am coming on here is because I have legitimately been falsely accused and want to know if anyone else has ever had to deal with this and how they successfully proved their innocence.

I have a class this semester that's largely discussion based. Each week we turn in a short response paper to some prompt in the syllabus. A couple weeks ago I turned in a prompt that drew heavily on a short piece published online. I explicitly cited the web source in the footer. Author name, website, and publishing date.

Received an email from the professor asking me to come in and meet with the Dean regarding a violation of the student code. From the language of the email (that included their entire exchange discussing strategy) it looks as if they've already set their mind. What do you advise?

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11/18/12

You're in deep shit. You have to cite it every time you draw from it, not just once. I hope they go easy on you, but it looks like your prof has already involved your school's administration...

EDIT: To be helpful, claim that there was no intent. It's typically not an accepted excuse, but you can point to the fact that you did cite the source in your response paper. You can argue that the way you cited it suggests that you were going to continue to draw from it throughout your paper.

Sorry I can't be any more helpful. By the book, this is a blatant honor code violation, even though you probably didn't mean to do anything wrong.

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In reply to CallThatBond
11/18/12
CallThatBond:

You're in deep shit. You have to cite it every time you draw from it, not just once. I hope they go easy on you, but it looks like your prof has already involved your school's administration...

This seems absurd to me. There were literally no guidelines given for these papers, it's one of those entrepreneurship sort of classes taught by a guy who isn't a career academic so the syllabus is very fluid and focused on experiential learning. Never specifies a citation style or requirements, just an intentionally broad and ambiguous question and a desired length.

It never required in-text or parenthetical citations, so I made very clear reference to the sources but did not embed them in the paper. I feel like there's a very clear explanation here but I don't want to get railroaded.

11/18/12

If your school is like mine, you signed an "Honor Code Agreement" -- or something along those lines -- when you matriculated. That agreement walks through the rules for citing sources, and what you've done is almost always explicitly banned.

However, take a look at what I wrote above:

"EDIT: To be helpful, claim that there was no intent. It's typically not an accepted excuse, but you can point to the fact that you did cite the source in your response paper. You can argue that the way you cited it suggests that you were going to continue to draw from it throughout your paper."

The one way out of these hairy situations is that you cited the source in such a way that it is clear that you intended to draw upon it multiple times. You can use the ambiguity of the syllabus and whatnot to reinforce this argument by claiming that you did not want to disrupt the flow of the paper with numerous redundant in-text citations. Instead, you opted to include the source in a footnote, and you thought it was clear that you were referring back to that source.

If you go with this story, you're going to need a damn good reason for why you didn't put a superscript next to every sentence taken from the source.

I hate to see honor code violations go down like this, but this shit happens. Typically profs are lenient when the cheating was intentional, but it looks like you got a hardliner who is going to insist on nailing you.

Don't know what else to say other than sorry.

11/18/12

It's clear that I didn't cheat, however. I put the citation in!

I'm going to have to walk them through this and pray it works out for the best. I have a job on the line here and this is not going to cut it.

11/18/12

Read through your school's honor code. There should be an online copy on your Registrar's website (or even on your student portal).

I don't think this is sinking in: Whether or not you intended to cheat is irrelevant. (Therefore, "I put the citation in!" doesn't matter. It only matters if you cited the source correctly and as many times as you should have.) 99% of honor codes explicitly state that ignorance is not an acceptable excuse. It may make your prof pity you, but it will not excuse your misstep.

You need to parse through every damn sentence of your school's honor code to figure out how to get out of this situation. This is the ONLY way I have ever seen people get out of plagiarism accusations. If you go into your meeting with what you're telling me, you are going to come out of it very, very unhappy. I have been witness to far too many hearings like this, and it hurts every time that I have to raise my hand to vote "guilty."

Here's what you can do:

The syllabus was unclear. You didn't know how you were supposed to cite the source, so you put it in a footnote.

Based on what you've given me, I don't see another strategy. Here are the questions I would ask you:

1) Why didn't you superscript every sentence drawn from the source?
2) If you weren't sure how to cite the source, why didn't you ask your prof for clarification? 99% of honor codes say that you should ask your prof if you're ever unsure.
3) Exactly how similar is your paper to the source? Even if you cite it, you can't copy it.

Good luck.

11/18/12
11/18/12

I was on my university's ethics/academic integrity board as a student member. What you don't realize is that not citing something after every single sentence that you paraphrase (i.e. "draw on heavily" in your words) is technically plagiarism. Citing it in the footer is not enough.

There are all kinds of things that people don't think of as cheating that are actually plagiarism violations. Using text from a different paper you wrote last semester without quoting yourself, for example, is also plagiarism. Unless you follow the rules exactly, they can nail you if they want. I honestly never saw a single violation like yours come up, because typically professors aren't jerks about it. Everybody makes exactly the same mistake you did. So, I think a great defense is to find one or two other posts on the message board that make the same mistake, and ask why everyone else isn't being charged with the same violation.

You are not being falsely accused. You are guilty as charged, by the letter of the law. Just plead ignorance. You didn't know that was the rule, so admit it, apologize, and move on. I would be very surprised if they still held it against you. If they do, I would escalate it to the provost or whoever else is above the dean. No reasonable person would insist on putting this on your record. However, keep in mind that your professor probably has a working relationship with the dean, so the dean will believe the professor's perspective - you will have to fight for yourself.

In reply to 808
11/18/12
808:

I was on my university's ethics/academic integrity board as a student member. What you don't realize is that not citing something after every single sentence that you paraphrase (i.e. "draw on heavily" in your words) is technically plagiarism. Citing it in the footer is not enough.

There are all kinds of things that people don't think of as cheating that are actually plagiarism violations. Using text from a different paper you wrote last semester without quoting yourself, for example, is also plagiarism. Unless you follow the rules exactly, they can nail you if they want. I honestly never saw a single violation like yours come up, because typically professors aren't jerks about it. Everybody makes exactly the same mistake you did. So, I think a great defense is to find one or two other posts on the message board that make the same mistake, and ask why everyone else isn't being charged with the same violation.

You are not being falsely accused. You are guilty as charged, by the letter of the law. Just plead ignorance. You didn't know that was the rule, so admit it, apologize, and move on. I would be very surprised if they still held it against you. If they do, I would escalate it to the provost or whoever else is above the dean. No reasonable person would insist on putting this on your record. However, keep in mind that your professor probably has a working relationship with the dean, so the dean will believe the professor's perspective - you will have to fight for yourself.

This.

And, I am no expert, but perhaps MLA/APA/other formats require different rules. Heck, when it comes down to it, they are all pretty arbitrary, and unless your syllabus mandates that you use a certain form, I don't see how they can hold it against you.

11/18/12
11/18/12

I agree with futuredoc. Lawyer up prior to the meeting if you truly value your job.

11/18/12

MLA/Chicago/APA all require you use parenthetical citation after you take information from a source. This is middle school stuff.

Just curious what type of school you're at. Private, state school, Ivy?

11/18/12

Hire a lawyer. At the very least it will scare them into thinking you may litigate.

11/19/12

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If you are a dude, offer buttsex. Hope they are gay.

On a more serious note, by the letter of the law, you plagiarized. Now, this is not as bad as not citing anything at all, but plagiarism does not come in degrees - you either plagiarized, or you did not. By citing the source only once, you implied that the un-cited portion of your paper was yours, and not by your source. Painstainkingly read through your honor code, plead ignorance and good intentions, and hope the best comes out of it.

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11/19/12

You're a fucking idiot -- lazy and incompetent even at cheating. Admit and try to let him forgive you, and tell him and the Dean what you've learned. Expect suspension.

In reply to TheEconomiist
11/19/12
TheEconomiist:

Also, try crying. It might work.

A friend of mine had a similar problem except he had to deal only with the professor. He had a long talk with the professor and resolved the problem. I'm not sure but i think he cried too. But with the dean involved it seems serious.

In reply to 808
11/19/12
808:

I was on my university's ethics/academic integrity board as a student member. What you don't realize is that not citing something after every single sentence that you paraphrase (i.e. "draw on heavily" in your words) is technically plagiarism. Citing it in the footer is not enough.

There are all kinds of things that people don't think of as cheating that are actually plagiarism violations. Using text from a different paper you wrote last semester without quoting yourself, for example, is also plagiarism. Unless you follow the rules exactly, they can nail you if they want. I honestly never saw a single violation like yours come up, because typically professors aren't jerks about it. Everybody makes exactly the same mistake you did. So, I think a great defense is to find one or two other posts on the message board that make the same mistake, and ask why everyone else isn't being charged with the same violation.

You are not being falsely accused. You are guilty as charged, by the letter of the law. Just plead ignorance. You didn't know that was the rule, so admit it, apologize, and move on. I would be very surprised if they still held it against you. If they do, I would escalate it to the provost or whoever else is above the dean. No reasonable person would insist on putting this on your record. However, keep in mind that your professor probably has a working relationship with the dean, so the dean will believe the professor's perspective - you will have to fight for yourself.

What are plagiarism laws? And where exactly do these laws say you must cite X using Y format. Also, is there a giant database that contains every literature example(including ones I wrote,you wrote, your teacher wrote, some random in China wrote that are not published(lol, wtf?)), if not how are you to prove no one wrote your exact line of text.

Plagiarism is so horribly defined it is used as a defense by garbage authors to defend there shit ideas 99.999% of the population does not care about and will most likely laugh at if you are to be taken seriously.

my 2c

11/19/12

If you did not intend to cheat but u did not cite your source you might get zero on your essay. I do not think the professor should give you a more stringent punishment as it is purely unintentional.

11/19/12
808:

I was on my university's ethics/academic integrity board as a student member.

I hate you.

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11/19/12

What format were you supposed to be using? APA/MLA/Chicago? Was it specified? I know Chicago utilizes the footnote more often than APA or MLA, so I'm assuming you were supposed to be citing with Chicago format?

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11/19/12

Your university should have some sort of student law services available to you for free. Go to them and talk through your situation and see what they have to say. I'm sure they have dealt with this before and at the very least can give you an idea of what to expect going in there and how to best handle it.

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11/19/12

post your paper in full, and post the online paper. we will then determine whether you are guilty.

11/19/12

Whoah, I think a lot of people here are blowing this out of proportion.

You may not have followed a precisely dictated citation format, but you clearly cited a source nonetheless. In addition, the assignment was informal in nature. You will be fine. Don't be scared. Just speak the truth. Bring in the assignment, bring in a printout of the source, and if possible bring in previous assignments that you submitted with a similar citation style.

The administrator will probably just give you a slap on the wrist because he has to in front of the professor, but nothing actually bad will happen to you. Just stay the hell away from that professor. My guess is he had a problem with you beforehand. Otherwise, he wouldn't have pulled this.

In reply to elephantastic
11/19/12
jd-to-ib:

Whoah, I think a lot of people here are blowing this out of proportion.

You may not have followed a precisely dictated citation format, but you clearly cited a source nonetheless. In addition, the assignment was informal in nature. You will be fine. Don't be scared. Just speak the truth. Bring in the assignment, bring in a printout of the source, and if possible bring in previous assignments that you submitted with a similar citation style.

The administrator will probably just give you a slap on the wrist because he has to in front of the professor, but nothing actually bad will happen to you. Just stay the hell away from that professor. My guess is he had a problem with you beforehand. Otherwise, he wouldn't have pulled this.

I would have given you a SB for this. Gr8 post. I totally agree with what you said at the bottom of the post.

In reply to elephantastic
11/19/12
mikesswimn:

What format were you supposed to be using? APA/MLA/Chicago? Was it specified? I know Chicago utilizes the footnote more often than APA or MLA, so I'm assuming you were supposed to be citing with Chicago format?

None was specified. The syllabus completely omits any reference to requirements for these regular prompts, does not include the standard departmental boilerplate that every professor includes as a minimum, and instead has about three pages of purely biographical info.

I don't know to what extent the Dean is involved, from the email I received (which showed their exchange) it looks like the professor reached out to the administration for next steps (perhaps because he wasn't sure what to do).

Cruncharoo:

Your university should have some sort of student law services available to you for free. Go to them and talk through your situation and see what they have to say. I'm sure they have dealt with this before and at the very least can give you an idea of what to expect going in there and how to best handle it.

That's a good thought, thank you.

jd-to-ib:

Whoah, I think a lot of people here are blowing this out of proportion.

You may not have followed a precisely dictated citation format, but you clearly cited a source nonetheless. In addition, the assignment was informal in nature. You will be fine. Don't be scared. Just speak the truth. Bring in the assignment, bring in a printout of the source, and if possible bring in previous assignments that you submitted with a similar citation style.

The administrator will probably just give you a slap on the wrist because he has to in front of the professor, but nothing actually bad will happen to you. Just stay the hell away from that professor. My guess is he had a problem with you beforehand. Otherwise, he wouldn't have pulled this.

Thank you, very helpful. I can appreciate your analytical nature (and hopefully legal knowledge, given your username).

11/19/12

OP if you have had no intention of cheating then you should not worry about it. There are so many CEOs I know of who have cheated at way more important things in life and never got caught.

In reply to G.M.Trevelyan
11/19/12
G.M.Trevelyan:

You're a fucking idiot -- lazy and incompetent even at cheating. Admit and try to let him forgive you, and tell him and the Dean what you've learned. Expect suspension.

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In reply to State of Trance
11/19/12
State of Trance:

OP if you have had no intention of cheating then you should not worry about it. There are so many CEOs I know of who have cheated at way more important things in life and never got caught.

don't leave us hanging, please.

11/19/12

OP, I recently endured a similar situation. Maybe I can help.

My junior year I plagiarized an Ann Coulter piece online in hopes of proving that since Obama was elected in '08--the same year the "Dark Knight" came out and again re-elected in '12 when "The Dark Knight Rises" came out--our country was indubitably a socialist country, and by extension, my public university socialist, and by extension, my professor was an instrument of a pinko commie regime and I was thus exempt from turning in assignments for the rest of the semester since it didn't benefit the common good. It's the transitive property, or something. I also included a quote from Mein Kampf in the beginning to accentuate my point that Obama is the dark knight, and that Christian Bale would beat Daniel Craig in a fistfight 8 times out of 10 provided he was in his prime (didnt cite that either--see: common knowledge).

My dean called me in, and laid out the Coulter piece directly adjacent to mine on the table. They were perfectly identical, both even including a small picture of Coulter at the bottom. As one might imagine, I was utterly shocked. I slammed my fist on the table and screamed "this is an outrage!!! I can not believe this trifling, petulant woman has plagiarized my material!!!" The dean and my professor were understandably confused. "What are you talking about? You literally copy and pasted miss Coulter's material onto your assignment. You even included a picture of her face at the bottom."

"No...you don't understand. This is my material. I put her face at the bottom to juxtapose aggression as a basic Nazi idea to the manufactured, neo-conservative notion that---nevermind, that's not important. Just look at this."
I pointed to the date of my piece, indicating it was written on February 31st, 1983, thus clearing me of all charges since the dastardly Coulter's had been written 25 years later. What an idiot!
"1983? That's practically seven years before you were even born, let alone before the assignment was even given. Is this some kind of joke?"

"Exactly," I replied.

PM me if you want more specifics, hope this helps and good luck with your meeting

In reply to CaR
11/19/12
CaR:

OP, I recently endured a similar situation. Maybe I can help.

I can't believe she jacked your ideas like that. Very nice post

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In reply to G.M.Trevelyan
11/19/12
G.M.Trevelyan:

You're a fucking idiot -- lazy and incompetent even at cheating. Admit and try to let him forgive you, and tell him and the Dean what you've learned. Expect suspension.

Frankly, your condescension is naive and immature. There was no citation style specified, so excuse me for not having an accurate idea as to how he wanted it cited. I didn't misrepresent someone else's work directly as my own. I obviously drew heavily on the piece, but I did reference it in the sources and leading into each quotation, e.g. "As Prestigious Pete says, "I am the perfect example of a gold-plated excellence."

I will not admit a thing. I did not intentionally commit a single wrong, so acknowledging cheating would not only be certain death in that it gives them leeway to exact any punishment, but it would simply be a lie.

In reply to CaR
11/19/12
CaR:

OP, I recently endured a similar situation. Maybe I can help.

My junior year I plagiarized an Ann Coulter piece online in hopes of proving that since Obama was elected in '08--the same year the "Dark Knight" came out and again re-elected in '12 when "The Dark Knight Rises" came out--our country was indubitably a socialist country, and by extension, my public university socialist, and by extension, my professor was an instrument of a pinko commie regime and I was thus exempt from turning in assignments for the rest of the semester since it didn't benefit the common good. It's the transitive property, or something. I also included a quote from Mein Kampf in the beginning to accentuate my point that Obama is the dark knight, and that Christian Bale would beat Daniel Craig in a fistfight 8 times out of 10 provided he was in his prime (didnt cite that either--see: common knowledge).

My dean called me in, and laid out the Coulter piece directly adjacent to mine on the table. They were perfectly identical, both even including a small picture of Coulter at the bottom. As one might imagine, I was utterly shocked. I slammed my fist on the table and screamed "this is an outrage!!! I can not believe this trifling, petulant woman has plagiarized my material!!!" The dean and my professor were understandably confused. "What are you talking about? You literally copy and pasted miss Coulter's material onto your assignment. You even included a picture of her face at the bottom."

"No...you don't understand. This is my material. I put her face at the bottom to juxtapose aggression as a basic Nazi idea to the manufactured, neo-conservative notion that---nevermind, that's not important. Just look at this."
I pointed to the date of my piece, indicating it was written on February 31st, 1983, thus clearing me of all charges since the dastardly Coulter's had been written 25 years later. What an idiot!
"1983? That's practically seven years before you were even born, let alone before the assignment was even given. Is this some kind of joke?"

"Exactly," I replied.

PM me if you want more specifics, hope this helps and good luck with your meeting

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11/19/12

Citing the source doesn't make it okay to paraphrase an entire article, does it? You did not give many details in your OP, but it seems to me that you paraphrased an online article and simply cited the source and submitted that as your assignment. That is implying that some of the ideas were your own when they were not. If you had just put the entire article in quotes and cited it, you would have received a zero on your assignment because you did not do any work, just copy and pasted. The only difference between doing the copy and pasting and what you did was that you did not use the quotes and are implying that you came to the paper's conclusions on your own, which should be worse than getting a zero since you are now misrepresenting your work!

Point is, arguing that you were not cheating is the wrong move. Having dealt with these committees before, I can suggest to you that the best way to approach the situation is to say that you did not know you were doing something wrong AT THE TIME, but now you can see how it could be construed as cheating. Then apologize, say that this is something you had overlooked in the past and that you are a good, hard-working student and do not want this mistake to follow you around. Tell them about your job and that you have worked hard to get to where you are today. Tell them you learned a lesson and to please understand that this will never happen again. Do not argue. Do not try to tell them you were not cheating.. you know, do the opposite of everything you have done so far on every post above.

Edit: looks like you gave some more info on how you cited. First you said you just footnoted the article now you say that you cited every time that you drew on the work. If you cited every time you drew on the work, tell them to show you the infractions in your paper! If there are multiple places you did not cite, then my post above stands. However, I will say that if they have made up their mind on the manner, my aforementioned approach may serve you better than arguing.

11/19/12

Generally, colleges assume you have passed high school writing level, or they wouldn't have admitted you. High school writing level includes properly citing sources, not just throwing a title and author in the footnote once and then copying everything they said at will.

More than enough advice in this thread for you to go on, but you are in the wrong here, so you should definitely listen to what has been said.

11/19/12

I would search for works written by your instructor, your dean or anyone else on your faculty. I would scour them for their references and footnotes, and I am sure you are likely to find examples similar to your "plagiarized" assignment. Then I would collect said examples and bring them to the dean when your number gets called, and ask him what is wrong with following the examples of the faculty of your fine institution.

I know you will find examples if you look hard enough. Target the English department first. Nobody likes to hear that the ones failing to adhere to citation policies are your English professors. I can assure you that the citation tactic you used is commonplace.

In reply to Some Unknown
11/19/12

How could you even be accepted in your Uni if you cant even cite properly? Its a basic thing for every students to understand how to write and cite properly, they wont tach you that kind of shit in class nor put it in blackboard or something since they assume all students are able to do their own research. This is your fault no matter how you want/prefer to see it, and blatant plagiarism is yes, you would be very likely to be gone expelled unless you are a lucky bastard and they give you another chance.

11/19/12

Wall Street research pieces plagiarize each other every single day and pitch books in banking definitely don't include citations of the location of every source from which material is derived... and you know why? Because beyond specific figures and quotations, its generally a waste of time.

I never understood academic institutions' religious ferocity regarding citing sources and never will. What are they going to do when nearly ever sentence possible has been written by someone somewhere? Do you need to cite a source where you learned Obama became president this year or where you got the closing price of the S&P? This shit is just stupid.

Outside of specifically quoting something, using a quantitative figure, or near-quoting something, you shouldn't have to cite sources.

In reply to Some Unknown
11/20/12
Some Unknown:

I will not admit a thing. I did not intentionally commit a single wrong, so acknowledging cheating would not only be certain death in that it gives them leeway to exact any punishment, but it would simply be a lie.

Next you'll tell me that tacitly but deceitfully using another bank's research report for 1/4 of your paper isn't plagiarism -- since no one is there trying to catch you.

It's an integrity violation. It's not a violation because he caught you and you don't want to admit it, it is because you (universially) should never be in the position of someone down your neck accusing you of plagiarism. The facts are in the details buddy.

Give us your Professor's e-mail and perhaps we, in this forum, could shine the arguments you've used here to see if he would agree or disagree. You've spent enough time thinking about it by now haven't you?

11/23/12

so what was the outcome?

11/23/12

I would recommend you do this.

Print out your past discussion posts.
Look for a similar style of citing.
Make the argument simply like this, "I'm not an expert in citation, here's what I've done previously and I haven't had much of a problem with this professor. My professor has not discussed anything with me about making improper citation. I have no problem rewriting a paper and making my best effort to cite sources properly."

And just hope things pan out.

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11/23/12

For a test question, that is idiotic..... I would dispute that until i died. Different if it was an essay for the test, for defining terms........ what the heck

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11/23/12

Plagiarism should be allowed in college since everyone just pulls from Wikipedia anyways.

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11/23/12

I've done this before (and gotten "spoken to" for having answers similar to what's in the book). She should fight it. Most universities have safeguards to ensure students aren't screwed by something like this. Granted, they're not always great, but it's worth a shot.

Side note: I hate professors like this. I usually end up getting in more trouble explaining their idiocy to them than for the actual infraction. Well, I used to, I got smarter about it.

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11/23/12

Sounds like she successfully accomplished the objective that our educational system sets out for students: regurgitation. Charged with plagiarism? She should have been awarded a degree with honors upon completion of that exam.

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11/23/12

I'd argue it. If anything, she should be commended for remembering something so precise under time pressure. She could just pull the "I forgot to quote it", and turn this into a few point deduction from the grade.

"No way of knowing you didn't do something" would not hold up. It's incumbent upon him to prove this. I smell bullshit.

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In reply to torchic
11/23/12

I would be so upset if someone looked at my research paper and pulled the population of China number without citing my name at the end.

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In reply to UFOinsider
11/23/12

Prof probably tried to fuck the student, she didn't call back, now he seeks retribution.

11/23/12

Maybe so. At the very least, this is grossly improper, maybe there's a back story. Either way, I'd be fighting this tooth and nail, and seeking punitive damages (or the academic equivalent) just to underscore how wronged they are.

Based on the information presented, the should win....unless there's more to the story, then I don't know.

Get busy living

In reply to BTbanker
11/23/12

Haha I scrolled down to type this exact comment before I saw yours.

This poor girl, what a ridiculous situation. How is that plagiarism anyway? That's a bullshit definition of plagiarism. That's like getting in serious trouble for writing the price of a bond is the present value of all its future cash flows in an exam....is this professor just choosing to ignore the long-term consequences his little spiteful antic could/will have on this girls life?

11/23/12
11/23/12

I'm not sure if this is true or not but my ecology lab proctor (not even a real Professor) told the class that regardless of being found guilty or not, an accusation alone is enough to fuck up your chances at getting into grad school. He then turned a blind eye to rampant and blatant cheating/plagiarism on every assignment he gave us. So much for the first day of class hard ass routine.

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11/23/12

I agree with you and the other people who posted. The professor is not being fair to that student and should be disputed. You should tell her to fight it just as a good classmate.

11/23/12

pix of chick before advice;

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!

11/23/12

This reminds me of kids who are given failing grades by professors because they have answers that are better than the professors.

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In reply to BTbanker
11/23/12

BTbanker:

Prof probably tried to fuck the student, she didn't call back, now he seeks retribution.

Beat me to it.

OP, fill out and submit an appeal form.
Get her shit right.
Get professor reprimanded.
Be hero.
Save world.
Get beejay.
Recycle landfills.

In reply to Hooked on LEAPS
11/23/12

Shits crazy. Kids at my school never even thought about cheating. Probably because there were dozens of revolving cameras in every room though.

11/23/12

I got accused of plagiarism in college for re-using my own paper in two different classes--which I didn't think I couldn't do. When I met with the dean, I brought a copy of the school code of conduct to the meeting and went to the section on plagiarism and asked her to show me which code I violated. After reading it over 3 or 4 times, her response was "You know, not all rules are explicitly written, and it's your job to know that." Luckily I was able to talk my way out of it and re-write the paper, but sometimes schools will try and reach just to make a point.

I would agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

11/23/12

Well, if the professor remembered how the sentence was written in the textbook...

In reply to BTbanker
11/23/12

BTbanker:

Shits crazy. Kids at my school never even thought about cheating. Probably because there were dozens of revolving cameras in every room though.

Must suck to go to school in Prison

In reply to heister
11/23/12

Or kids who are given worse grades because their political views don't agree with those of the professor.

In reply to mrharveyspecter
11/23/12

That's what happens when your school is in the limelight.

Those non-targets practically beg kids to cheat so that it looks like they're smarter.

In reply to mrharveyspecter
11/23/12

mrharveyspecter:

BTbanker:

Shits crazy. Kids at my school never even thought about cheating. Probably because there were dozens of revolving cameras in every room though.

Must suck to go to school in Prison


i lol'd

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!

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I might have to go with the professor on this one. The average professor has been teaching for a couple of decades and if he sees a test with verbatim wording...

11/23/12

What a load of horse shit. Reminds me of a time I was accused of cheating because I did too well on a test...Sometimes I think those in the education system need to be knocked down a level or two. Some of them think they are quite literally god's gift to the rest of us.

"When you stop striving for perfection, you might as well be dead."

In reply to notthehospitalER
11/23/12

notthehospitalER:

Or kids who are given worse grades because their political views don't agree with those of the professor.

I took this bullshit business law or whatever class that's notoriously tough. Lecture hall of 350 kids and the entire grade is pop quizzes and exams from the book.

Uber-Lefty Professor spends each lecture talking about politics in a typically biased fashion. A few weeks in, I get bored and start sitting in the front and arguing about everything with him. We'd literally spend over half a lecture talking shit. And he has a mic and I don't, so anyone out of earshot hears this man arguing with nobody. I'd even play devil's advocate and argue with him when I agreed. Many laffs were had.

I ended up getting one of 7 As. I'm pretty sure I deserved a B and he bumped me.

11/23/12

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11/23/12

"When you stop striving for perfection, you might as well be dead."

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