Queen's Commerce vs Western Ivey vs Schulich iBBA
I'm considering all three business schools for undergrad, so any input would be appreciated...
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Well assuming you are asking with reference to quality and frequency of front office IB placements after graduation, consensus seems to be Ivey >> Queen's >> Schulich and other second tier canadian business schools. But obviously the most important thing is pick someplace you actually want to go and will enjoy, because most people from all these schools who try to get into IB aren't able to anyway.
Not Schulich. All depends on what you're looking for. I definitely think Ivey has a better alumni network and they often place very well in IB but Commerce has a better program overall and you get more education in actual business etc. Definitely not Schulich though...
Why not Schulich? It seems to be just as selective and offer a great program... besides the fact that it's in York University, why not go to Schulcih? I mean, tuition is very cheap when compared to QC or Ivey.
I def know where you are coming from though, since lots of peple have advised me not to go to Schulich, even one of my teachers... I just don't understand why it's that bad...
br.ca..... u really need to understand the power of a school's name. who cares how cheap tuition is... ur making a decision that will affect ur career prospects
in Finance... brand equity is everything! Ivey gives u good odds on bay street (RBC Capital, TD Securities, Scotia Capital)
odds of Wall Street are much much MUCH slimmer from any of these schools
Br.ca, there's some previous posts discussing Ivey vs. Queens, I would advise searching for them if you haven't already.
I have read some previous posts discussing Ivey vs Queen's, and I believe QC would be the best fit for me. But why not Schulich? Does it not measure up to Queen's / Ivey? Why not? Does the difference lie solely in the reputation and alumni network, or in the quality of the program itself?
Unless your hell bent on staying in TO, which I do not get why anyone ever is, both Western/Queen's have great rez experiences. Queen's, Ivey and maybe even McGill should be your only choices.
You got it right the difference lies in recruiting, SSB is still not a target by US banks or MBB it is getting there maybe in another 5 years.
Yeah Schulich is in 2nd tier, along with Laurier, Sauder, Calgary etc. As others have said it's not about the selectivity, it is about the recruitment. You are better off at McGill (or even Sauder) than Schulich in my opinion.
I think the obvious choice is Queens. Western isn't that much better recruited that it'll be noticeably different (i.e. it's like the difference between Harvard and Yale for recruitment) and by going to Western you're taking your chances in that you may not get into Ivey once you're there.
I went to one of the above schools mentioned and you may take my comments with a grain of salt ( I may be biased ), but during last years ib recruiting the people from Schulich were not competition. It has a strong accounting program that Ivey in particular has been trying to play catch up to given a quarter of its class goes into that field. For banking, Schulich has difficult placing. At one of the Big5's second round, the Schulich alumn in the bank asked the interviewers to take it easy on the Schulich students because they are weak on technical compared to their peers.
As for Ivey, it definitely has the strongest recruiting program out of the three and actually places on Wall Street a lot better than some on this forum my think. The issue with Ivey is you have to appreciate their case discussion style, if you aren't a big fan of it, you will not do well, which may impede you on your hunt for interviews. Going to Western and not getting Ivey is a non-issue because if you can't even get a 80 avg at Western to get into Ivey through AEO...you have no chance at banking..just don't party too hard the first two years lol.
Queens has people who place into the US BBs and their regional offices in Toronto and many of the banks in Canada are either a Queens or Ivey shop (they'll typically hire from one in a particular group). If you want an idea of the caliber of people at QC, I believe they post their resumes for their graduating class up...you can see where they summered.
http://business.queensu.ca/recruiting/student_resumes/bcom/index.php
All in all I personally think Ivey gives you the best chance at breaking into banking but like I said, it depends on your learning style as well. Go with the program that you think you can do well in. Another thing to consider is that you can always apply to Ivey in your second year and Western first 2 years is definitely no match for QC or Schulich..it's a complete waste of time...there are 40-60 students a year that transfer to Ivey from another school and the Schulich and Queen's transfers typically place very well in banking and consulting.
Hope this helps a bit...
And I can't help but ask, what did the poster mean by QC offers "more" education lol?
is mcgill 2nd tier?
I'm really interested in starting my own business after undergrad, so which of these three business schools provide the best support for young entrepreneurs?
One of my friends in high school who got 60s in all his classes got accepted into Schulich lol. He did it by taking some bull shit summer school. Plus most canadian schools suck anyways.
Mcgill > Ivey > Queens> Schulich
Definately Ivey or Queen's. Speaking from experience, both are quiite good for placing candidates on Bay Street (and even, to a lesser extent, Wall Street). Schulich is not a bad school by any means, it just doesn't have the name that gets recognized (as many people pointed out).
...If it helps, when I was interviewing all of the kids were from either Ivey, Queen's, or Schulich. Those schools must be doing something right.
Mcgil first? seriously? no shot. Everyine I know got into Schulich....just saying
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