Phone call rejections are awful
Had interviews with GS two weeks ago, got a voicemail today asking me to call back when I have some spare time.
"Oh hi, sorry but the team feels your skills and prior work experience would be better suited for X department so they do not want to pursue your candidacy. Thanks for interviewing!"
I must say -- I think I actually prefer email rejections. An email doesn't get your hopes up between listening to a voicemail telling you to call back and then telling you that you didn't get the job.
Yea I always figured when people ask you to call back it's an offer
That really blows. Can I ask what division you applied for considering this was only 2 weeks ago?
I interviewed for two spots, GSAM Compliance and FICC/ Equities S&T Compliance.
After the GSAM interview I didn't really want it, but I really clicked well with the S&T Compliance group. I will agree that my skills didn't really fit 100% considering I'm coming from an Asset Management (MF/HF) background, but I was really looking forward to working with them. They were a really nice group of people and the job sounded pretty exciting, it was definitely something I could have picked up pretty fast.
It really is a huge let down but at least you now have a better idea of what to expect going forward. That technique is not unique to GS, btw.
Such a C*ck tease
A phone call is generally positive no matter what the news. The one time I received a rejection by phone, I ended up with an offer from the same place about 6 months later.
That would be pretty awesome. I think I'm going to email one of the VPs I interviewed with later just thanking her again for considering me, an again expressing interest in any future opportunities that may arise. I don't think it would be inappropriate to email them again considering I would think if they take the time to call you to reject you, then you were probably on a pretty short list of candidates. Especially since the HR person specifically said that I wasn't being rejected because I wouldn't fit in at GS, but that they just didn't think my experience suited the department.
I guess there may still be some hope.
Well, why don't you apply at Dept. X, if you're interested in it? Sounds like they might almost recommend you to the interviewers for that other department ...
So which dep are they talking about regarding your fit?
They didn't direct you there?
In any case, like wallstasks said, it doesn't hurt to email the peeps there.
Back when I was interviewing for FT banking - Mizuho's Corp Fin team pulled this joke on me :(
Everything turned out pretty good in hindsight; but I was still pretty pissed for at least a week.
UBS pulled this on me
Yeah I think phone rejection is kinda lame, especially for such a company, why no simply send it vie emal:))??
JPM gave me the rejection at least directly to voicemail (with the offer to call back). It's almost like e-mail, because it does not keep your hopes up.
Phone calls tend to be more useful than emails. If you can get over your ego/emotions then it can be a good way to pick up some useful feedback. They usually aren't completely honest but it is often possible to get the gist of the real reasons - if you can use this feedback to ace your next interview then it has got to be worth it, especially if you are at the final round where it probably only requires a small change get past the final hurdle.
At least a phone call means they had to take a few seconds to reject you. Seems more cordial than an email, although definitely a downer
I would much rather take an email rejection
I had this done to me once... feelsbadman.
Nevertheless, if you take the time to interview and meet the team, they at least owe you a phone call to give you the news and any feedback. Its the least they can do. I interviewed at this one reputtable shop and had a terrible experience with their HR from the start (Not organized & bitter about being in HR). They botched my scheduling and I only met with half of the team- they told me they would try and reschedule. 2 days later I get a reject email... It felt tacky and just plain lazy- as if they were too cowardly to get me on the phone.
I guess the perfect reject would be a voice mail rejection where they give you the option to call back for feedback. In any case, anything beats a 'piss off' email, because in the long run you get nothing from it but sadness...
i wouldn't get your hopes up. i interviewed with 2 different divisions at GS my soph year. One I knew I did horrible in (it was IBD and I didn't know the first thing about finance), and I still got called to be rejected. The second interview went really well and I got an email telling me I was waitlisted, then called 4 months later with a voicemail telling me to call them back..only to be rejected. It's just standard there to do it like that.
Worst rejection isn't a phone rejection; worst rejection is no contact at all from the firm. Be a man about it and just tell me what's up so I'm not wasting my time.
Ya thats weak man I normally thought phone rejections were voicemails but if you got the offer the voicemail would be like call us back. They blue-balled you and then shit in your mouth afterwards... not cool.
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I realize this thread is a little old but w/e. I got a voicemail from GS today stating that they wanted to let me know what the next steps of the interview process were, and to let me know where I stand....I called back, and got shot down. There are no next steps. What a kick in the pants.
This happened to me last week. Boutique HR left me a voicemail, asking me to call back to discuss process status. Rejection. Moving on with other candidates. Apparently, it was a matter of "cultural fit."
Atleast you got a rejection, I know when I was interviewing, some places forgot to even call candidates about whether or not they got it. Its like you knew you didnt get it, if you didnt receive a call within one week.
I got rejected by phone on my birthday. That was pretty depressing. It was a really long phone call as well and I just wanted to cry. More of a slap in the face considering they basically told me everything was really positive but they didn't have the headcount. Now me and my classmates are all struggling for graduate jobs, even at top target unis...
Currently interviewing with GS. Anxiously awaiting the phonecall where they shoot me down.
I thought I was wait listed by BofA earlier this month after not receiving an offer and a friend getting rejected by email the next week. I've emailed them probably 6x (2x HR, 2x each for two guys in the group) and still no response. Pointless.
Rejected via phone call? (Originally Posted: 07/24/2013)
I interviewed at a local middle market bank last week and thought the conversation went well. The HR guy mentioned to me that he would let me know "one way or the other" sometime this week.
So, I'm at the gym and I wound up missing a call. This was after market hours. It turns out it's from an executive assistant at the same bank. Never met this person, never spoke to her, and don't know who she is. No voicemail was left and I googled the number to figure out who it was.
I assume they''ll call me back sometime week but could this be a ding? Been rejected plenty of times but only once by a call which I found strange. What do you guys think? Ever been rejected by small bank via the phone?
What are you doing??? Call back and schedule a time to talk with her!
If you have only talked with the HR guy so far, then this would be your second round interview.
I have actually been rejected by a BB via the phone before, but I would say that it is very unusual for BBs. I can see it for small banks though.
Got rejected by phone by a boutique bank last year. Left me a VM...fuckers
I always let down every applicant via phone so I could give feedback. The weird part is that its the executive assistant, makes more sense that it would be someone who interviewed you. Call them back and leave a message.
Are you at a boutique?
been rejected twice by phone
For what it's worth, I've been rejected by phone a couple times, seems like the standard thing for any company with self-respecting HR to do, after you interview. I've gotten rejection e-mails occasionally, but only after sending in my resume, ie not going to an interview (apparently this isn't standard, not that it'd take much time to make a program that sends an auto-rejection email, seeing how so much of the screening process is automated already..). This is mostly from insurance companies for actuarial positions, but one was more finance-related (a bank, for financial analyst).
Weird, a lot of companies don't/won't give feedback on why someone was rejected.
Most companies in Europe will do so. All BBs in Germany (with which I or friends have interviewed) have done so.
Definitely depends on the company and how far you've gone through the recruiting process (e.g. 2nd interview, assessment day, etc). From what I've noticed from my personal and friends' experience is that there is a much lower chance that they will call you (either rejecting or congratulating) after the interview compared to the assessment day. Either way, they can call to reject you in order to give you some feedback, especially if you've done pretty well at the interview/low competition/not a major city.
Anyway, hope you've received a positive answer by now, lol
It's rare that companies will call/email to tell you that you've been dinged. On the bright side, it gives you closure and doesn't keep you guessing.
Voicemail to call back only to reject (Originally Posted: 09/18/2013)
Why do firms do this? Do not understand at all - it'd be more efficient and easier on both parties to simply email the rejection or just leave it in the VM.
+1 for the other party telling you in person (even if it's over the phone it's still a person). That takes chutzpah.
Mainly so they know that you definitely received the news, good or bad
I think we should start sending rejection texts like "hey johnny, it's alfonz. unfortunately we cant extend u an offer. bttr luck nxt yr man"
Not fun, but far better than when firms just never say a word to you again.
I prefer email. VM is dicey, seriously who checks their personal VM these days? (actually being somewhat serious)
I had to add on voicemail just for recruiting season
i think this goes both ways. if it's an analyst on the other end, and she has a pompous and power-hungry tone, start quizzing her some technicals. i always hated those analysts that did the rejections making you think you were unworthy.
Bank called to REJECT me?? (Originally Posted: 01/05/2017)
Hi,
This is about bulge-bracket IBsummer analyst application. I received an offer from another firm while still in the recruitment process for the bulge-bracket, and so emailed the BB to ask approximately how fast they would be moving for a decision so I would know how long I could try to delay my other offer for.
Then I received a phone call from an HR guy at the BB telling me that they actually wouldn't be progressing my application to the assessment center, but to try to apply for full-time next year because apparently my interviews were good but I just applied too late (I did apply only a couple days before deadline).
How often do you think phone calls to reject the applicant occur? This was after my second round. Normally I thought they just send you an email. I am trying to figure out whether I indeed just applied too late and that my application was actually decent for a shot at the analyst job next year, or if they are just saying that to make me feel better.
Or do you think they were just trying to figure out where my other offer was from? The HR guy rejected me first and then asked where the other offer was from though.
Danke
Every rejection I have ever received after final rounds at a BB or boutique firm has been over the phone. After investing a portion of your time to interviewing with the firm, most think it's more appropriate to call to reject candidates.
Thx, not sure if this changes your answer but this was after second round phone interviews, not final round.
"Every rejection I have ever received after final rounds at a BB or boutique firm has been over the phone"
lucky.
This past summer was rough for me. I had one email me the rejection only after i followed-up two weeks after the final round, and three just told my recruiter (all final rounds again). talk about a shit sandwich summer
Especially after interviews/progress through recruiting pipeline (they have invested their time in you also), it's normal for a firm to follow up with a phone call, good or bad.
I think them calling you, explaining why you weren't moving on, and encouraging you to apply again was an incredibly stand up move on their part. Far better than a generic bs email with HR boilerplate.
Him asking you where the other offer was from was checking to see how good of a candidate someone else found you (employers always like this...so do women...) to note in your file and possibly for HR-type analytics.
Do MDs ever call to reject canidates after final rounds? (Originally Posted: 11/01/2007)
Has this happened to anyone?
I've never had this happen. If you're getting a call from an MD you are most likely receiving good news (e.g., an offer).
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