Relative Value Equity Funds and the Use of relative valuation methods

Going through CFA Level II right now, equity valuations, based on CFA, could be divided into absolute valuation methods (some sort of discounting) and relative valuation, such as EV/EBITDA, P/S, P/E, P/C, P/D, compared with other stocks in the present moment or the stock itself over its history. My question is, how often are these relative valuation used in real life? Do funds actually adopt these strategies and trade based on relative value? On that note, are there even relative value equities funds out there? google search wasn't much help, and WSO sees to have very few content on relative values. How profitable are these funds even if they do exist?

Thanks

 
Best Response

I'm just an undergrad w/ some intern experience at an AM firm [not a hedge fund] so take what I say with a grain of salt and I can't really comment on the industry as a whole.

But the firm I was at is very much focused on relative value. In this case the fund invested in a specific asset class REITs with the goal of outperforming the major REIT indexes - the goal was for a good relative return [vs. the REIT index] and not necessarily a good absolute return. I.e, if we felt certain the REIT index would be down 20% across the board over the next 12 months, the goal would be to remain almost fully invested and try to only be down 10% or 15%. Holding large amounts of cash or other types of securities would not be an option.

Does that model work? I'm not really qualified to answer that. But I think it depends entirely on the type of fund. At the AM firm I worked for, the goal was to provide exposure to a certain asset class [in this case, REITs]. Providing exposure means that you're providing beta as much as you're trying to outperform. So really, in the best case scenario you provide exposure to real estate while giving investors a better return then they'd get through an index fund. So in theory, I'd say it makes sense - but on the other hand, trying to beat the index while taking more of a top down view than a bottom up view is really hard. It's a market-based investment strategy - you're anticipating what other market participants will do in the short run more than you are trying to estimate intrinsic value and buy at a discount. It becomes more speculation than investing. The performance of the fund I worked at has been above the index net of fees pretty consistently, but only by a small amount.

Now for HFs I can't really say, but relative value seems to be in conflict with what hedge funds were at least traditionally supposed to provide to clients. If you're looking to provide good performance across the board, good absolute performance, then it's not enough to buy assets that will outperform the market. You need to only buy at a discount to intrinsic value. If values can't be found, then you hold cash / equivalents. Now in reality I'd imagine a lot of HFs are probably investing based on relative value, even if they wouldn't say it. Seth Klarman talks about this in his book Margin of Safety, about how the typical institutional investor is thinking more about beating the index than about providing a good long-term return.

 

They're used just as often as investors run across particular situations. Depending on the company you're analyzing there may be some parts of the business which can be better valued using one method and the rest with others. Sometimes it makes more sense to value a situation using a discounted rate, but in the case of an unprofitable company it'd make more sense to do a liquidation analysis. Using different relative valuation methods also gives you a range of values which you can use against comparable companies.

Tl;dr - More choices to use

That being said, valuation alone is only going to make up one of many parts of the overall investment strategy

 

Sorry I was busy at the time.

I'm working towards obtaining a valuation based on comp comparisons. I'm unaware however on the procedure that I must follow to obtain the price target. I was proceeding to base my comp analysis on the above but I'm confused In respect to the 2010E P/E. Is it the average or median P/E of the comparison firms?

"I wanna Thank the Good Lord for Making me a Capitalist"
 

Ut praesentium eaque aut non dolore laboriosam. Est corporis recusandae illum aliquid.

Non quibusdam esse quos rem optio provident facilis. Rem laudantium voluptatem velit explicabo qui ut modi et. Doloremque totam quia adipisci architecto officia. Quia autem necessitatibus quasi. Amet eaque sed et sequi.

Maiores quam aut omnis dolores praesentium impedit quas. Culpa recusandae quisquam ut. Excepturi provident velit veritatis nostrum pariatur adipisci neque velit. Placeat dolorem delectus aut dicta quis voluptas tempore. Facilis culpa necessitatibus vero eos sed velit. Dolorum sit odit sed maiores voluptatem.

Voluptas deserunt iste mollitia minus quia et. Facilis omnis sed aut inventore voluptatem eveniet. Et voluptate error in corrupti molestias est.

"I wanna Thank the Good Lord for Making me a Capitalist"

Career Advancement Opportunities

April 2024 Hedge Fund

  • Point72 98.9%
  • D.E. Shaw 97.9%
  • Citadel Investment Group 96.8%
  • Magnetar Capital 95.8%
  • AQR Capital Management 94.7%

Overall Employee Satisfaction

April 2024 Hedge Fund

  • Magnetar Capital 98.9%
  • D.E. Shaw 97.8%
  • Blackstone Group 96.8%
  • Two Sigma Investments 95.7%
  • Citadel Investment Group 94.6%

Professional Growth Opportunities

April 2024 Hedge Fund

  • AQR Capital Management 99.0%
  • Point72 97.9%
  • D.E. Shaw 96.9%
  • Magnetar Capital 95.8%
  • Citadel Investment Group 94.8%

Total Avg Compensation

April 2024 Hedge Fund

  • Portfolio Manager (9) $1,648
  • Vice President (23) $474
  • Director/MD (12) $423
  • NA (6) $322
  • 3rd+ Year Associate (24) $287
  • Manager (4) $282
  • Engineer/Quant (71) $274
  • 2nd Year Associate (30) $251
  • 1st Year Associate (73) $190
  • Analysts (225) $179
  • Intern/Summer Associate (22) $131
  • Junior Trader (5) $102
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (250) $85
notes
16 IB Interviews Notes

“... there’s no excuse to not take advantage of the resources out there available to you. Best value for your $ are the...”

Leaderboard

1
redever's picture
redever
99.2
2
Secyh62's picture
Secyh62
99.0
3
BankonBanking's picture
BankonBanking
99.0
4
Betsy Massar's picture
Betsy Massar
99.0
5
CompBanker's picture
CompBanker
98.9
6
GameTheory's picture
GameTheory
98.9
7
kanon's picture
kanon
98.9
8
dosk17's picture
dosk17
98.9
9
Linda Abraham's picture
Linda Abraham
98.8
10
DrApeman's picture
DrApeman
98.8
success
From 10 rejections to 1 dream investment banking internship

“... I believe it was the single biggest reason why I ended up with an offer...”