How detailed are background checks?
Let's say I listed a previous internship in a country that's, well, not so popular on my resume. Will people in the US try to contact the firms I stated I worked at? How can I be sure that the people I worked with previously even remember me?
North Korea is best Korea.
u have it on ur resume. it's not like OMG we background checked he worked in russia when it says he worked in russia on his page
I really want to know how they will verify that I worked where I worked
If you worked in a country and it was that much of a problem you probably would've been contacted by the NSA by now anyway.
I think my question is being misunderstood. Working in the country isn't a problem. What I'm wondering, is how a US company would go about verifying work experience done in a third world country.
Somehow my other post was deleted. It's simple. Hiring firm hires a background agency->Firm hands over your resume->Background agency googles the shit out of the ex-employers on your resume->Background agency calls the numbers listed and asks to speak with an HR rep/office manager-> Did so and so work there? From when until when?->They record their findings and submit them back to the hiring firm.
Unless your old firm doesn't have a phone line, they will call. All they want to know is, did so and so work at the firm and what were the dates of employment. They don't care about the bullet points on your resume. Unless you were paid in cash under the table then the firm should have a record of your employment. Someone will obvioulsy remember you.
You're right. I did have to submit a copy of my ID and pictures when I started the internship, so they should have me on record. I worry too much. Thanks
To answer your question more broadly, background checks are becoming more and more thorough. Everyone's resumes are embellished to a certain degree, but there's a difference between embellishment and blatant lying. In theory, the background check agencies can verify everything on your resume, but it's extremely time consuming and they're only able to verify what someone else is willing to disclose to them. i.e. GPA (which is rarely, if ever, actually verified. schools are extremely close guarded with this, but they will divulge degree earned, graduation date, and sometimes honors earned)
My wife is a recruiter for a bank so I know what they check with their applicants.
I think OP is leaving something out if the above answers do not satisfy him.
I just accepted a summer analyst position. I have tutoring as something on my resume. The problem is, it was organized by my teachers on a temp basis, and I don't know how to verify it. I also tutored some of my friends whose contact information I have, but will this be verified?
Do background check companies just verify what you filled out on their form? (Originally Posted: 03/09/2016)
I'm in the process of some background checks. I recently filled out a form with past employers, education, and other personal info. I'm wondering if the background check is only to verify what I put in this online form or do they cross reference with my resume as well? I listed a couple projects/jobs in my resume that I didn't on the form so just want to make sure nothing suspicious comes up.
Anyone have any idea? Thanks
Depends on the firm. Just like anything else, they will vary depending on how much you are willing to pay. For my firm, they called every single place on my resume and confirmed dates and employment, but I doubt they would ever check actual projects/work.
For BB's expect more because it's potential risk, for smaller places sometimes they are more lax, but can be strict as well.
Resume vs. Background check (Originally Posted: 08/05/2007)
I know most banks do extensive background checks as a condition of a full time offer.
On my resume, under the "Employment" section, I have listed major summer jobs that I have, and omitted smaller part-time jobs I worked during the school year. Since I was paid for the smaller jobs during the school year, I will receive a W-2, and these jobs will thus show up as Employment on a full background check.
Will I get in trouble for not including part-time jobs on my resume?
Is there a place, other than my resume, that I will need to report these jobs that are unrelated to the position I am applying for?
lol relax, you obviously arent expected to list every single job youve ever had on ur resume. no, you dont need to report these jobs
lmao imagine they don't give you an offer because you "lied"....
"you didn't tell us you worked at mcdonalds, what are you trying to cover up....?" pw3nd
Too funny. Don't sweat it, unless that part time job is delivering meth.
You'll be fine, there is no way you can list every single job you ever had. Good luck with your job searching
Background Check - What shows up on a check? (Originally Posted: 03/09/2010)
what shows up on a background check?
Is it just your previous work experiences? I only have one pertinent experience listed on my resume, a finance-related gig. However, I've also worked jobs at restaurants, retail stores, etc. throughout my life ( I did not report any of these, since I didn't feel they were relevant at all). Is this going to cause me trouble w/ HR?
Also, does a background check show where you previously had to fill out "background check" authentication forms (for other jobs).?
Background check isn't like a credit report that shows each inquiry. For an entry level position they will just make sure the information you provided is accurate.
Do they check on the awards you got and the clubs you attended to?
Anyone else paranoid about Background checks? (Originally Posted: 04/21/2012)
All my info on my resume is right but I'm just afraid HR might not be able to reach that one person or they may bad mouth me to them. You never know... Just really paranoid I guess lol.
Under what circumstances would HR take back an offer based on something they find in a BG check?
Probably if you lie, how thorough do you think the check is?
From my experience, it is really rare that a background check results in a withdrawn offer. You've got to do something pretty drastic. Firms are ultra sensitive about disclosing opinions on past employees due to lawsuits, so any calls regarding employment are extremely fact based. If everything on your resume is right, you really shouldn't lose any sleep over it.
What if they call a firm and they bad mouth you?
Background check details (Originally Posted: 02/23/2013)
I am interning at a BB this summer, and I'm curious about what the background checkers do with previous supervisors' contact information. Do they call them and confirm employment dates or confirm exactly what you wrote on your resume with them? I interned in AM last summer and didn't get along with my supervisor very well.
I've had previous employers call me to say that Kroll called to confirm my employment. I think they do that to confirm employment, and then run a criminal background check. That is all the info I have.
Had disagreements with my supervisor as well, never had problems getting through the background thing last summer (BB). Pretty sure they outsource to another company, which just makes sure you actually worked there.
Background checks are outsourced. People will call your references, confirm dates of employment and title, that's it. No one wants to risk legal liability discussing your job performance and the outsourcing firms won't ask.
Thanks -- they don't confirm individual lines of your resume with your references at all?
No, they will not ask and realize that - shocker - you exaggerated on the bullet points of your resume.
Got it. Thanks for your help!
What's in Background Check? (Originally Posted: 04/12/2012)
So background Check?!
Honestly, I have never been through one before. What should I expect from a background check. Do I fill out a background check form of some sort? Or do they just verify my resume? What's included in background check?
I know I shouldn't be worried, but it kind of got to me when I don't even know what they are looking for to verify and who they will contact.
A probe into the penis is very common.
Just be happy they didn't request a "backdoor check"
How serious is the problem if I lied about my penis size on my resume?!
In all seriousness, what do they really check?..
Now keep trolling.
If you return your videotapes...
They will usually check the following.
Criminal Background Check Financial Checks (a credit check) Verify employment dates and positions (and sometimes make sure you didn't get fired/disciplined) Verify qualifications (Grades and subjects) Plus sometimes a medical and usually a drugs test
I am sure you can find more information with a google once you know the name of the background check company.
Can anyone elaborate on credit checks for employment?
I'm a 2nd year analyst at a well-respected MM boutique and was just hired at a top PE shop. Obviously I passed both company's background check. But in all honestly, I have a terrible credit score. I mean pathetic, can't get a decent interest rate pathetic (even tho I have a very high income). I was really dumb in college and let my girlfriend max out credit cards (in my name) and would miss a bunch of payments because I was poor.
I guess what I'm asking is do they really care about credit score? If so, why? And why the fuck did they hire me?
It isn't about the score - its about having stuff in arrears, if you are currently having huge issues with charge offs then it can cause problems, although depends on a firm to firm basis. Also if you are a going through a bankruptcy that will almost inevitably cause issues.
From what I understand background checks verify school but not grades, they can't get your grades unless they ask for them.
There's multiple threads on this.
Background Check (in order of importance):
1) Standard / Financial related criminal history 2) Employment verification 3) Education verification (honestly, most of the time it's simply verifying you're a student or grad of the school's you attended. Have only had my transcripts pulled once, which wasn't even my current job)
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in background check they also trace your activities on social media platforms..
Background Check Question - Did work largely from home (Originally Posted: 12/10/2007)
After reading about how anal some BB banks are about background checks, I am a bit concerned about one detail on my resume. In high school, I did volunteer computer programming work for a scientist of a gov science research agency. However, I did this work largely from home.
On my CV, I just wrote under work experience the name of the agency and computer programming. Is this likely to be a problem?
LARGELY from home, or always from home?
There is embellishing and there is lying, and to me this qualifies as the latter. I doubt they would ever catch you by checking, but do you think they are really going to believe you did computer programming for a government science research whatever you want to call it in high school?
I don't.....
If you saw the awards I have won, you would. I got about $50k in science awards in high school.
And the work was substantial and used for the agency. Does this not qualify as working for the agency?
You should be worried about the people you list as references and making sure they're all good/reliable and will not screw up because they WILL call them.
I also don't think it's very likely that they would contact someone from a high school job, but it is possible. For me they contacted even volunteer groups I listed on my resume, which I didn't expect.
If worse comes to worse and they actually try to contact this person, as long as you made a contribution and actually worked for him I think you're fine. Whether you did it at home or physically in an office, work is work.
Generally they will just contact the person and say, "Please verify that he/she actually did this work."
If you're really worried you may want to contact your former employer and tell him to expect a call/email.
List it in whatever way makes you look the best, without actually lying. Mentioning that you have 50k in scholarships will do nothing but help.
I highly doubt that they will check this out. Moreover, as long as you can explain it and go into detail about it, you will be fine. These minute details really don't matter.
Thank you for the advice. I just submitted this resume online at one place (and plan to add "volunteer" for all apps from now on, including for on campus recruiting at this firm).
At what point do you list people as references?
Usually when you are filling out the pre-employment form when you accept an offer.
x13 is that for SA positions as well? i know a few of my friends never had to do this for their positions.
do they do this background check for both FT and SA? also, how many references are required?
Yes, it is required for both. They verify everything listed as work experience (a reference for each job is required). I hear GS even gets the high school transcript.
That's ridiculous that they would get your HS transcript. Would they ding you if it wasn't good? My HS grades were terrible, and I transferred into the school I'm at now.
How are you supposed to get your high school transcript? Am I supposed to fly to my old hometown and tell the counselor there that GS wants to know if I actually got a 92 or 95 in physics?
im really f'ed in the ass then, the guy i worked with 1-1 on my crappy internship last summer just passed away from his diabetes. guess no SA position now unless HR can listen to me explain my story.
i highly doubt GS does that. HS is worthless. How would that matter? If you had a 1.5 in HS and somehow now have a 3.8, why would that matter? would it matter if you were a slacker in the past if you got your act together now? not at all.
anyone know about this for sure?
even if they did i am 100% certain it would be after an offer and they cannot rescind your offer unless you recieved the offer under false pretense, ie you lied about your gpa, ECs, etc.
Yes, it is after the offer. You could get dinged if you said you were valedictorian or honor roll or something and had a shitty gpa.
what can i do for my problem? it was an unpaid internship. i heard you might only get really grilled about it if they think you are lying, ie if i could explain what i did in depth then they might take that as evidence enough? i hope HR will listen to me, i really want an SA position.
i said unpaid so everyone knows i dont have pay stubs to prove my employment. wow i sound like a liar.
Get your former employer on the phone when they question you. Simple solution.
dude he passed away, idk what to do. never again will i take a job from craigslist.
Closer, stop freaking out so much. People die, it happens. Go interview as normal and if you really feel the need, let HR know about your former employer's passing. It's really not a big deal.
Just show them the obituary.
In the absence of any statements regarding high school in my resume/interviews, would it be fine?
They're not going to check your HS transcript. Omega's misinformed. That's what you guys get for listening to a college sophomore.
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/node/8670
how can you use a random posting as your basis for your argument. you cant verify if what he said is correct. HS transcripts dont make sense, they have no bearing on you now.
my best advice to you is to not worry about it. look, in your mind you know what happened, and i would say that you should just keep things as simple as possible and only provide additional details when you're asked for it. this applies to every instance where you're asked about a potentially tenuous situation, whether it's in an interview or a casual conversation or whatever -- always keep things simple, and the more relaxed you are about it the less likely you'll be able to draw attention to it. nobody is likely to analyze it the way you do.
just remember that people who often get the most scrutiny are the ones that try most deliberately to avoid it.
Post-offer documents? (Originally Posted: 03/29/2010)
Hi,
I'm just wondering whether the background checking process allows you send in any reference letters, letter of employment, certificates, and transcripts? Or do they usually just ask for all your information in the form and verify the information themselves?
The reason why I'm asking is because several of my previous internship experience are either unpaid or unofficial, so it would be difficult for the background checking company to verify.
Thanks a bunch!
They just asked me to fill out a form. I was in the same situation (unpaid/unofficial internships), and they did not even ask about it. I think you should be fine.
Thanks for your input!
Good I was wondering that too.
I had a gig selling life insurance, all commision. After I got what I wanted out of it, I just stopped and that was it. I stopped paying into the monthly spiff the sponsor got. I had no one to really report to.Would my last month be when I stopped paying into it?
background checks - trivial point? thoughts please... (Originally Posted: 03/04/2010)
hi.
i recently received an offer from a bb investment bank as summer analyst.
have a question on the background check - - i have written on my resume that i finished employment on 15th june, when it was actually 7th june (i.e a week earlier)..
do you guys think that this will be a problem? or can i just explain it away as an honest mistake if the background agency red flag it? in reality, it was an honest mistake but the whole recruitment process was based on that resume and i dont want to look like a fraud if all of a sudden i call up hr and say that i left a week ealier.
thoughts?
I don't think it will be a problem.
It's not going to be a big deal. But why do you write specific dates on your resume? Just write the month and year (i.e, June 2010 - August 2010).
You'll be fine, and in the future do what the above poster suggested
Background Checks - What to expect? (Originally Posted: 02/23/2015)
I've just received a offer from a credit rating company contingent on a background check. I have nothing to hide, and also have strong testimonials from all my previous internships, but still I can't help but feel uneasy as this is my first time going through one. In particular, I mentioned that I received an offer from an Asset Management firm for a long-term off-cycle internship, but the offer was given verbally and not through email. Short of calling my previous boss, it seems hard to verify. I will be interning with said firm again for about a month, though, would that constitute sufficient "evidence"?
Similarly, while I have an excellent testimonial from a bank I worked with several years ago, the job offer was given verbally at the end of my internship.
Does anyone have any advice on what to expect?
They generally check look for enrollment verification, employment history, criminal history, and sometimes credit history. GPA and verbal offers will - most likely - not be a part of it
Thanks turtles, appreciate it.
Thanks turtles, appreciate it.
Work Experience Checks (Originally Posted: 10/27/2013)
Wondering on what all of your understanding is when it comes to banks (SA positions) looking into your work history. I have boutique IB experience and have embellished a couple of bullet points on my resume (as we all have), not lied, but I'm not sure of the extent my employer would back me up should they be contacted by a bank. Do banks check your references and ask about your work experience or not?
No, not all of us have, actually.
You're finished man, just give up now and change careers
Everybody seems to be freaking out about this right now. They'll ask for the dates you worked there, and if listed, what you were paid. You're good. Just know how to explain what you did in an interview.
99.9% of the time background checks are simply "did joe smith work for X firm from this date to this date". Do you really think someone working the HR BO has any idea what the bullet points on your resume actually translate into? They're looking to verify actual data points like start/end dates, comp, degree completion, and not the fluff everyone has written into their resumes.
thanks. I forgot HR are the ones doing the checks, not actual bankers.
Nobody gives a fuck about the bullets you put on there provided they aren't ridiculous. As long as you worked there you'll be fine.
This. Relax.
Can new employer find out in background check that I renegged on other offer? (Originally Posted: 04/03/2008)
So here's my situation: I did an SA stint in S&T at a BB (think GS/MS), received an FT offer, and verbally accepted in January. I haven't sent in my signed contract though, and somehow HR isn't bothering me about that, even though they do assume I'm coming (they keep sending me other admin stuff). Around mid-february, I also got an offer from a top hf. I initially was inclined to just go with the BB, but I decided to keep my offer at the hedge fund open for as long as possible to think everything over. Given that I really like the people at the fund and that banks are in such bad shape right now, I'd like to jump ship to the fund.
The issue is that my interviewers at the fund have asked me a few times whether I had already accepted with the bank. I've obviously always said that I had not, but that I hadn't said no either (since, while I verbally accepted with the bank, I never actually signed, I didn't think that was too far from the truth). This definitely raised suspicion with some interviewers, since they also know that we're already long past the acceptance deadlines at most banks.
Now my concern is that, if I sign with the fund, they will talk to HR at the BB I summered at as part of their background check, and thus find out that I did in fact accept their offer (albeit only verbally). I'd guess that they might then rescind my offer, as would the BB, and I could end up job-less.
Now my questions are: - How would you guys assess the risk of that worst-case scenario materializing? - How do background checks processes typically work? Is it likely run by the fund itself or outsourced to dedicated background check firms? Do they call HR at former employers, and if so, do they speak to the same people within HR who also handle FT hires? (The alternative would be that firms have a special person within HR who handles all background check requests but isn't aware of which candidates have accepted or not... Sounds unlikely, but I'm not sure.) - Crucially, will people at the BB (especially my desk) find out which specific firm I am going to through? If people at the desk find out, I'm pretty sure they'll do everything they can to torpedo my new job... - Any advice on how to best approach this situation? For instance, would it help if I tell the BB that I'm going elsewhere before the fund starts its background check? Would it help if I come clean with the fund first and tell them that I had in fact verbally accepted with the bank?
Any advice is very much appreciated! Thanks!
bump
Background check is outsourced and they will most definitely call your previous employers (ie those listed on your resume) and since the firm you will be reneging on is the one you interned at, then yes - the company doing the check will definitely talk your BB. In terms of who they talk to specifically, for my background checks I always filled out specific contact information for previous employment.
I can't really assess the risk of your situation although I personally would feel very very uncomfortable as there is a very high chance your desk can find you and they will most definitely be pissed. Further, playing a diplomatic hand in your case is really not bad at all. You can always maintain your HF contacts - tell them you verbally accepted but explain your longterm interest in the fund - while doing your BB stint. I mean its GS/MS, just suck it up. You are deciding between a lose/win or win/win situation. To me, it seems obvious.
The above is incorrect if the fund uses a background check firm.
For my internship, we filled out a completely separate form where we listed recent employment and contacts and numbers.
The background check firm doesn't have a copy of your resume, just the sheet you filled out.
So when you fill out your sheet, your best bet is to put the name down for an associate or analyst that you are on good terms with. They pretty much only call to see if you really worked there and what your position was. I doubt they call all of your previous employers too.
This info is for SA, btw, not sure how FT differs
how is what I said incorrect?
"In terms of who they talk to specifically, for my background checks I always filled out specific contact information for previous employment." obviously, whatever is on your resume, you will have to list on this form.
you basically said exactly same thing "For my internship, we filled out a completely separate form where we listed recent employment and contacts and numbers. "
deny 'til you die
Denying is obviously the plan in case they find out... However, if my former desk/HR calls the fund up and tells them directly that I have in fact accepted with them (or, worse, that they forward some old emails indicating this), I'm pretty sure the people at the fund will believe them and not me. They were pretty suspicious about me not having accepted with the bank yet to begin with.
So I'm pretty sure denying won't work. What I'm hoping for is that the fund simply won't find out that I already accepted. But the more I think about it, the less realistic this seems...
Why can't you just come clean and let hedge fund know you verbally accepted?
B/c they specifically asked me this a couple of times during the interviews. It would basically be admitting that I lied (or at least came very close to it). Not sure if they would rescind my offer b/c of that (probably yes), but it definitely wouldnt be a great start.
You did lie. Stop trying to play it off as if you didn't.
Yeah, thats my point. Its not like your current employers will need to talk to the firms HR. All of the contacts I put are just analysts that were my superiors who liked me, and would be communicative if they were contacted.
This is pretty clear cut...
If you take the HF offer, there's a big risk you'll be caught lying and reneging on an offer. And I don't think it helps much to admit to the HF that you've been lying to them.
The hedge fund might be marginally better than GS/MS. But it's too big a risk. Maybe there's only a 10% chance you'll be caught. But if you are, you could easily lose both offers.
So get a move on and sign your BB contract. GS/MS is a great place to start your career. Stay in touch with the HF guys and maybe you can join them in a year or two or three.
Come Clean... this is a small enviornment. Just ask the HF if they are still ok with u verbally accept! If not, send in your Offer.
Go to BB. It is not worth it. You are running a HUGE risk.
You don't have much of a choice. You have to come clean with the HF since they will most likely find out the truth anyway. If they are fine with it, then good for you. If they are not, then you will just have to go with the BB.
If you try to keep the truth from the HF and they found out the truth from the BB you summered with, you will end up jobless.
It's a gamble you're going to decide whether or not you want to take. Here's a serious question: is the offer from Goldman still available to you yet?
Buy-side isn't exactly booming right now, and even if you DO manage to get away with the lie, if the HF ends up axing you down the line your resume may not look as good as the one you would have had if you had finished your IBD program analyst stint.
If for various reasons your IBD offer is already "gone", then you have nothing to lose by maintaining the lie to the HF.
If you can still safely take it, THEN you're going to have to decide what you want to do.
If you tell them, they MAY pull your offer or they MAY understand and let you get away with it. If you don't tell them, and they don't find out, you may have gotten away with it... but it may catch up to you at a later date. If you don't tell them, and they DO find out... well, the end result would probably be worse than if you told them yourself.
Remember, at the end if you DO end up getting your offer rescinded by the HF AND your IBD return offer isn't available to you any more, all you'll be left with is no job and an applied maths undergrad degree from Columbia and a single IBD SA stint at GSJHL on your resume.
Think hard about what you want to do.
P.S. Hong Kong is a shithole, IMO.
Just to let you know what happened: I decided to just come clean with the fund and tell them I had already accepted wit the BB, and much to my surprise they were ok with it. So thx for the very sensible advice!
Generally speaking which firms (tech/mgmt consulting/ibanking) have the most through background checks? (Originally Posted: 09/10/2017)
Also why? How do they compare to say a government security clearance process? is this industry or company specific (ie all financial consulting vs just McKinsey)?
Everyone at the same firm gets the same initial background check done by a third party. Additional clearances are only needed when put on a case that requires such checks.
Dude what the hell is the deal with you? All of your posts are neurotic as fuck. You either need to relax, or give us the details to whatever shady shit you've been involved with.
haha exactly what i thought. i think the OP also posted about bschool background checks a few days ago lol
Thanks for hijaking my thread wiht irrelevant opinions. please stick to the topic
I'm curiuous which industries are stricter on say C Level background checks?
If you haven't lied, you'll be okay
I'm curious about this because after 2009 there seems to be 'more scutiny in the financial industry' what does that mean and is it limited to finance?
JPM Background Check- Quite Thorough (Originally Posted: 03/28/2011)
has anyone else noticed the the JP Morgan background check for SA is very very thorough? they require a LOT of proof and documentation. I have friends interning for other banks and they more or less just had to sign a release form giving their respective banks the right to hire a background check company to investigate them.
also, if i can't provide hard documentation for something that happened 4 years ago (but the background check agency would be able to verify this without any problems) am I in trouble?
yours seemed more work than mine. what company is doing the background check for you?
is this for previous employment or do they also scrub the transcripts?
oh and what type of thing 4 years ago...like an internship? Do you still know anyone you used to work with?
Try getting a TS clearance
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