For example - Rounding from a 3.65 to a 3.7? I can do this, but dont wanna get dinged by HR, or have it seen as shady by bankers by not listing to 2 decimals.
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Two significant digits is pretty typical, so it shouldn't be an issue. If you make it to an interview they won't care anyway.
Totally ok. just don't round 3.95 to 4.0
I would never hire a student that came in if I found out they had rounded up their GPA. You don't have a 3.7, so don't start advertising like you do. You have a 3.65 gpa, so advertise a 3.65 gpa. If you can't be honest during the interview phase, I have no reason to believe that you will when you get hired.
EDIT: Just saw a post from Sil about getting monkey shit from ungrateful college kids. If you don't like the advice, go ahead and apply with your rounded up GPA. When we get to the resume portion of the interview, I always verify the GPA with applicants. You want to lie about having a 3.7 when you don't? Good fucking luck getting a job at my bank.
okay what about like a 3.68 rounding to 3.7
3.65 to 3.7 rounding is fine. 3.65 rounding to 3.8 is not. 3.60 rounding to 3.7 is not.
Nobody will check pre-offer or give a shit post-offer if it's half way, but a full 0.1 might raise an alarm. Obviously more than is also bad.
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Rounding to the nearest 10th is standard practice. (IE. from 3.65 to 3.7 or 3.85 to 3.9). Never round up to a 4.0. Never put two decimal places if you rounded. (IE. If you rounded from 3.65 to 3.7, do not say you have a 3.70.)
Also, I don't know if this matters, but everyone will probably just assume you have a 3.65 if you write a rounded 3.7 on your resume anyways. Rounding up simply helps you pass the visual cue test when its being run through HR and first years for 1st round interview selection.
The resume screening and verification part is done by HR. HRs throughout the street have accepted this rounding convention and many people at target schools applying to all banks do it. HR asks you for your transcript and it won't bat an eye if you followed this convention.
No respectable banker is going to have the time, patience, and follow-up drive to request transcripts from HR and then actively try to ding a kid when he finds out about GPA rounding. By then, the banker would already have made a recommendation to allow the kid to proceed or to pass on him. Anything more than .05 is obviously wrong to do and could expose you to trouble during the process.
I've rounded my gpa to the nearest tenth, my friends have rounded up their and no one's ever had any issues. TBH your gpa's fine enough not to round up but it should be fine.
If you run into someone like broam who dings you for marketing yourself in the most positive light without lying, then they probably would have ding'd you for something else.
I was a Big4 CPA before going to law school. Practiced M&A at a V10 firm before moving into IB ten years ago. You're in fucking high school...
You just got owned xD
How is it not lying when he didn't earn a 3.7gpa? That is lying and yes, I'm looking for every excuse to narrow down the applicant pool. Good luck
When I was in college, our career services department specifically taught us not to round up in any circumstances. Take that for what it's worth.
The resume is a marketing document. Rounding to the nearest tenth is fine. No one other than HR cares, and you don't want to work with people who do
Rounding to nearest tenth is fine. It's really easy to figure out that the person has between XX and XX and honestly those few points in that range don't really matter.
I rounded my 3.01 GPA to a 4.0. It was the nearest round number up. I assume that's ok, right?
I know someone from this forum that crafted a 4.0 to get in MBB no questions asked. He had like a 2.5 cumulative.
It's not as bad as analysts rounding up 0.5 B deals to 1B
I understand that you are entering a competitive job market (getting even more so...) where the simplest of an edge may seem like a huge advantage. What I've experienced is that the people you really want to work for (and with) do not do things like this. It could be rounding a GPA, it could be exaggerating their deal sizes, it could be inflating the hrs/wk they constantly run. My advice is to steer clear of this and hold integrity, that helps in the long run 1000x more than your cumulative GPA for a 'top 50 us news state school (not considered a target)'
Why not just be risk averse and don't round? Put two decimal places. Will 0.04 really make that big of a difference in the long haul?
If you do round, only put one decimal place (e.g: 3.68 --> 3.7). If there are two decimals places, your GPA is a 0 on the hundredth perfectly (e.g: 3.7032 --> 3.70). I thought this was standard practice. If employers question you on this, let them.
I carry out my GPA six decimals. I actually need a new line on my resume for it.
I get why you might round up to the nearest tenth on an online application (it's a drop down menu and you don't have any other options, but on your resume I would just do to the nearest hundredth. Your GPA is high enough as it is. And people can't accuse of misrepresenting yourself on paper.
Just remember intergity is very important and it is always good to make a good impression that you are being honest. I do not round up my GPA, there is no reason why any one should.
Rounding up to nearest 0.1 is absolutely fine. No one will think less of you if you do so - no downside other than people assuming you rounded up, in which case you're in the same position as if you didn't round. Just make sure to follow the proper rounding rules and truncate at the proper decimal - i.e. 3.65/4.00 -> 3.7/4.0, and not 3.70/4.00 or 3.7/4.00.
Never is any banker reviewing resumes going to think "oh wow this guy didn't round up his 3.65 GPA to 3.7, what admirable integrity, we should hire him." And if you don't, you'll risk the reviewer thinking, "this guy has a lower GPA than the other person whose resume says 3.7."
Lol, this is confusing. I have no idea what to do now.
it's almost like some people here have never seen a pitch book or league table before. you want to see fun with rounding? look at one of those..
no, you are not going to get dinged for rounding a 3.65 to a 3.7; you would be dumb not to do it, it would be almost un-bankerlike
How the hell did this get ~30 replies. what the fuck guys.
I rounded up 3.5 to 4 in my applications and juts saw this thread, am I in trouble? The math checks out tho
Honestly, just work on your gag-reflex. The 3.65 is fine, just make sure you can take in more than 3.65 inches in your mouth if you really want the job. Start with a pear for practice (recommend starting that immediately, PM me and I can send you some primers that teach you some open palm movements, finger sweeping and optimal wrist torque.)
Move your way up to a banana after you're comfortable with the pear - my advice is try to get at least ~5.4/5.5 inches down your throat. If all goes well, I'm sure you'll end up at your new job. Or on PornHub, anyway.
I would not round up. Spend more time making the rest of your résumé stand out. Remember, presentation is important and can help you more than an inflated gpa.
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nah round that shit up bro
I wouldn't round. Although it seems tempting, it's a bad move going from a 3.445 --> 3.45 --> 3.5... that's one too many roundings being done. I would stick to a 3.45. It would really hurt you because if they do find out then it might be an issue.
Besides most cut-offs are like 3.2/3.3, so you should be fine. Just include your major GPA as well (if it's higher).
Rounded up my GPA (Originally Posted: 08/12/2016)
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Very simple: that's not rounding, that's lying. If you had something like 3.45x, then it would be proper rounding.
You made this post and are seeking advice because part of you thinks doing this is wrong. I would listen to that part of yourself and not lie. There is a fair chance some banks will still consider your application, even with the 3.5 cut-off. I would much rather take my chances with that over my chances that the banks don't connect the dots between your transcript GPA during a background check and what you put on your resume.
Yes, lying would be grounds for you to have your offer rescinded.
It's not if, it's when they check your transcript.
Wouldn't risk it. All your hard work may be rescinded with that small round up.
GPA Rounding for Summer Courses? (Originally Posted: 07/22/2014)
Hi everyone. I have a 3.34 cumulative gpa at target school. I took a course at another semi target school and it was 4 credits and i got a A. Should I round my cumulative gpa to a 3.4?
Lol thanks for the laugh.
Lol serious question bro... i mean a 3.4
To whomever threw monkey shit at me. The original post was if he could round his GPA to a 4.0.
The course that you took at the other school will have absolutely ZERO effect on the GPA at your main school. It will show up on your transcript as transfer credit only with no GPA.
Should I still round my gpa to a 3.4? i have a 3.34 thanks. i'm freaking out right now hah
not like 3.4 is any better
Lol so should i keep it as a 3.34?
Like @"algernon" said. It's not going to make a difference. Also, I'm certain you've taken a math class before... 4 means round down! One last thing, since you're in college, leave it at the hundredths place. a 3.34 looks better than the 3.3 rounded the way it's supposed to be. Again, 3.3, 3.34, and 3.4 will not make any difference what so ever.
These guys above are very unprofessional. Personally, I would probably leave it at a 3.34. I wouldn't consider rounding it to a 3.4 unless you were at a 3.35 or higher. A 3.4 also sounds much better than a 3.3
Ultimately, the grade you received did not come from the target school you attend. It came from another school. So, you will be transferring credit in with no effect to your gpa at the target school. List the gpa to the second decimal of the target school you attend on your resume.
The banks will likely ask for your transcript to compare anyhow.
Agreed rounding is pretty standard. 3.45 you can round up to 3.5. 3.44 and you're better off just leaving it as 2 decimal places.
But to just get my face in front of an interviewer wouldn't it be better to put down 3.4 vs a 3.34?
Also if i have scientific publications where should i put that on my resume. Top/bottom etc? Thanks
That course does not get factored into your GPA. Like most have said, it is just transferred credit. Making your gpa a 3.4 would be lying
I know this will be unpopular with many people on here but most bankers I have talked to have recommended that I combine the GPA from my freshman year with my sophomore and junior year GPAs from the school I transferred to by multiplying each by the credits taken at that school. Banking is all about painting a company in the best light possible and to get a banking job, you should be pitching yourself in the best light possible. Personally, I'd much rather put a higher GPA and get interviews where I can demonstrate my value aside from my GPA and risk being called a liar, than get tossed out immediately. But that's just me.
So you're recommending that I round to 3.4? Like I said I just want to get in front of the interviewer
I agree
First off I'd probably just round that 3.34 to a 3.4 and then do well this semester to actually bring it up. No one is going to hire you and background check you quick enough in the fall semester and as long as you don't lie on the actual application you'll be fine. Its not like you're saying you're rounding to a 4.0. All these jerkoffs on here who say its lying and that you'll get dinged obviously haven't worked in finance that long. If you kill it in the interviews and then you turn in a transcript with a 3.34 when you had 3.4 on your resume they won't care at all
Second, the best way to list that A would be to add the other school on your resume under the education section and put a 4.0 down. Sure you've only taken 1 class but its true that you got a 4.0. Combining GPAs pretty much never makes sense across schools. If that were the case I could go take a bunch of community college classes, get As and then lump then in with my target school GPA right? Wrong. Keep it separate.
Thanks for your thouoghts. I think i'll just round to a 3.4 then!
rounding GPA down (Originally Posted: 01/06/2010)
One of my friends has a 3.97 GPA and has had trouble getting interviews; he says it is because the banks perceive that GPA as too high and perceive him as an unsocial genius (which is completely false). Is it ok for him to round his GPA down to a 3.9 or write a lower GPA (e.g. 3.8 or 3.7) instead?
A 3.9 should be fine. Don't make it lower than that.
If the concern is that he's an "unsocial genius," work on making the extracurricular / leadership / other experiences on his resume better. Add experiences that show interpersonal skills and him thriving in team settings.
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as long as he's not rounding to a 4.0 he's fine. why would you round down? ever? it seems like an asinine reason because banks think he's too smart...there must be a reason he's not getting interviews (no ECs, no work, bad resume, non-target school w/ all the above)
I agree with the above - there has to be other reasons he isn't getting interviews. Perhaps the resume is formatted poorly and getting tossed before they give it a good look.
If he is really convinced it's because people think he's an "unsocial genius", then he should be networking with people at the banks so they know his personality and will vouch for him when reviewing his resume. It just takes one person to speak up to get him an interview, so he should start making contacts at the banks.
round up. it's basically a 4.0 that's more impressive than rounding down. Plus it's a 3.97, not like a 3.90. will be fine on a resume. just don't bold it.
yea if anything round up to 4.0 They will be so in awe that you are guaranteed an interview.
Yeah definitely don't round down. If anything, I'd say 4.0 is too perfect and might be perceived with skepticism, but 3.97 is just low enough to be awe-worthy
round it to 4.0, but you probably have problems that are preventing you from getting interviews.....
I would round up to a 4.0 and offset supposed nerdyness by including a reference to DUI conviction in the skills/interests section.
Are Wharton kids not allowed to round GPAs? (Originally Posted: 01/28/2011)
I remember hearing somewhere that kids at Wharton are not allowed by their career centers to round their GPAs, so they have to keep to two decimal places. Is this true, and are there other colleges that do this?
It is true, read it in the career survey resume guide.
Yep. It says explicitly on the career services website not to round.
Do Wharton kids tend to round anyway based on this site? Guess moral of the story is to make sure the school has no policy before listening to wallstreetoasis then?
Round if it makes sense. I went to Wharton and never had a problem doing it.
http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/undergrad/resumes.html
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Not necessarily - they could be truncated (e.g. 3.777 is just 3.77 not 3.78)
Well, instead of rounding I guess I would just be forced to lie.
Example: 3.777 = 4.0), lol.
Regards
Opps, I mean 3.777 = 4.00
Regards
the system rounds GPA's, to 2 decimals that what we need to put on the resume.
so like 3.956 would be 3.96
I wouldn't round regardless, it might look sketchy. I had a 3.89 back in the day and listed it as such. Naturally I thought "gee having a 3.9 might make me look a lot better"... but in the end you want to set the precedent that you are ethical and behaviorally-fit, not a weasel trying to bend rules
honestly, I wouldn't worry about it. My gpa is between 3.4-3.5 but I rounded to 3.5. I'm sure my school has a policy against this, but I did it anyway. If an interviewer asks me about this, I would have to answer that it would put me in a better spot because I knew I wouldn't get an interview with my GPA. (kids from my school get interviews with 3.8-4.0 only) You have to put yourself in the best possible spot. What's the worst that can happen? Maybe some disciplinary action, but to me, I think it's worth it if you land an IBD position.
Rounded 3.43 to 3.45..Problem or Overthinking? (Originally Posted: 08/16/2016)
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I've never heard of rounding to the nearest .05, unless of course you had .046 or somthing.
Don't do that.
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