should i quit?

so i graduated in may and joined a PE FOF out of school....the job started well with the training etc but as time went on it has become unbearable. i am pushing myself as much as i can with my work but my manager basically picks on me....every time she meets me, she tells me how she wasn't involved in my recruiting, they made a mistake and there are many other kids who want my job and they might replace me....its not even been 4 months and all the content has to be learnt on the job. i can handle difficult bosses but threatening me with firing and constantly demeaning me is becoming very difficult for me to handle...should i talk to the HR or her senior? i am feeling so helpless now and i feel one of these days i might just quit...PLEASE ADVISE!

 

A lot of people kid around at work about things like this. Are you being too sensitive? Give some examples. Also, are you fucking up a lot or are you doing an ok job? How old is she?

I certainly wouldn't quit. I would push back though. I think it's all in how you deliver it.

She says something like, "Well, I wasn't involved in recruiting you.". You can say something like, "Well, of course you weren't. They try to send the good employees to recruit people.". Or, she says, "Tons of kids would kill to have this job." You say, "Ha-ha...Working for you? Get the fuck outta here."

This depends on the environment though. I'm assuming this lady is just fucking with you a little bit, but maybe I'm reading the situation wrong. I would guess she's just checking to see if you have a spine or a pulse.

 
Best Response
SirTradesaLot:
A lot of people kid around at work about things like this. Are you being too sensitive? Give some examples. Also, are you fucking up a lot or are you doing an ok job? How old is she?

I certainly wouldn't quit. I would push back though. I think it's all in how you deliver it.

She says something like, "Well, I wasn't involved in recruiting you.". You can say something like, "Well, of course you weren't. They try to send the good employees to recruit people.". Or, she says, "Tons of kids would kill to have this job." You say, "Ha-ha...Working for you? Get the fuck outta here."

This depends on the environment though. I'm assuming this lady is just fucking with you a little bit, but maybe I'm reading the situation wrong. I would guess she's just checking to see if you have a spine or a pulse.

You obviously have much more experience than I have, but I'm not sure if your "recommendations" hit the nail in this situation. This boss sounds like a total bitch, I'm not sure if a phrase like "they try to send good employees.." would be the right thing to say, but maybe I'm misreading the situation..

 
above_and_beyond:
SirTradesaLot:
A lot of people kid around at work about things like this. Are you being too sensitive? Give some examples. Also, are you fucking up a lot or are you doing an ok job? How old is she?

I certainly wouldn't quit. I would push back though. I think it's all in how you deliver it.

She says something like, "Well, I wasn't involved in recruiting you.". You can say something like, "Well, of course you weren't. They try to send the good employees to recruit people.". Or, she says, "Tons of kids would kill to have this job." You say, "Ha-ha...Working for you? Get the fuck outta here."

This depends on the environment though. I'm assuming this lady is just fucking with you a little bit, but maybe I'm reading the situation wrong. I would guess she's just checking to see if you have a spine or a pulse.

You obviously have much more experience than I have, but I'm not sure if your "recommendations" hit the nail in this situation. This boss sounds like a total bitch, I'm not sure if a phrase like "they try to send good employees.." would be the right thing to say, but maybe I'm misreading the situation..

The social intelligence don't discriminate by age or "experience". You are right. That kind of advice will only make the bitch more mad. I say the OP stay until you finally manage to screw her over. She sounds like a filthy bitch, make sure to do her in a filthy way. Need me to elaborate?

I'm feeling like a star, you can't stop my shine---Ridin' Solo
 

thats exactly how i was taking the situation initially...but it seems she has an issue with me...i have made mistakes but i am trying my best to work and correct them. and honestly from what i have seen, normally when a new kid comes in, his work is being check by someone to give him feedback and teach right? basically, every feedback session has been a nightmare.....the problem is that she literally yelll and is extremely insulting...over my 4 months, she talked to me may b 3 times in a civil manner. all the oher ppl are great but the prob is that she is a little senior....doing extremely well for her age but a very huge ego...basically i can't even open my mouth in front of her, let alone respond. and i feel this kind of environment is taking a toll on my work and self-esteem as i am constantly stressed and unhappy...

do you think bringing it to the HR could backfire?

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 
ratrace12:
thats exactly how i was taking the situation initially...but it seems she has an issue with me...i have made mistakes but i am trying my best to work and correct them. and honestly from what i have seen, normally when a new kid comes in, his work is being check by someone to give him feedback and teach right? basically, every feedback session has been a nightmare.....the problem is that she literally yelll and is extremely insulting...over my 4 months, she talked to me may b 3 times in a civil manner. all the oher ppl are great but the prob is that she is a little senior....doing extremely well for her age but a very huge ego...basically i can't even open my mouth in front of her, let alone respond. and i feel this kind of environment is taking a toll on my work and self-esteem as i am constantly stressed and unhappy...

do you think bringing it to the HR could backfire?

Ok, got it, don't say what I said to say before. That will definitely not work with her.

Going to HR is a no-win situation for you, in my opinion. Unless the boss is doing something unethical or illegal, they will always side with the boss.

The first thing you need to do is stop making mistakes. Get someone else on the team to help you or review your work, before you give it to the boss. Other bosses may not yell, but none will enjoy receiving mistake laden work.

The reason I was asking her age is that I think there is a possibility she is not really aware of what she is doing or she thinks it's effective if she is relatively new to managing people. When you're 22, someone who is 28 may seem old, but she might be as new to her role of managing people as you are to yours.

If it were me, I would go in and ask her specifically how you can improve. Something like this: "This is my first job out of college and I want to be thought of as a top performer. Right now, it seems you aren't happy with my production. What suggestions do you have for me to improve X, Y, or Z tasks in my role?". This should tell you a lot. It's hard for someone to be yelling when they get asked something like this.

I would get my resume ready as well, she might just be a terrible boss.

 

she is only in her mid-30s but is about to become a MD.....

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 

i feel what makes me feel worse is that i was fortunate enough to have great offers when graduating and i picked this. as luck would have it, she was the one person i didn't meet at recruiting as she was on a leave....i want to put up a fight but i also don't want to waste my time and energy since she has already pushed me to my breaking point...

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 
ratrace12:
so i graduated in may and joined a PE FOF out of school....the job started well with the training etc but as time went on it has become unbearable. i am pushing myself as much as i can with my work but my manager basically picks on me....every time she meets me, she tells me how she wasn't involved in my recruiting, they made a mistake and there are many other kids who want my job and they might replace me....its not even been 4 months and all the content has to be learnt on the job. i can handle difficult bosses but threatening me with firing and constantly demeaning me is becoming very difficult for me to handle...should i talk to the HR or her senior? i am feeling so helpless now and i feel one of these days i might just quit...PLEASE ADVISE!

I would look for a new job asap and keep your current gig until you've found something else. Worst case you put up with a little bitchiness and keep collecting checks.

 

Is it a big fund? Is there a decent HR department? Could transfer to a different department within the fund. PM me. I can give you some advice. Im sorry about that though, yea it sucks, and in this economy, its always hard to leave a job, without having something lined up.

Array
 

Do not leave with something lined up. Start looking asap. Usually women are more insecure and when they reach a senior position they need to assert themselves. If she is really senior I wouldn't go to the HR dep. It can backfire...

Keep us posted and good luck!

 

Quitting the job is surely not a right option unless you acquire a new one. basically you are doing job for your need not for her ! You are an amateur and she is just seizing the opportunity. As you were not his choice, so obviously she has an axe to grind with you. Calling the seniors won't really help the situation as you have low profile against her. The more you gonna hit back, more you'll be hit.

learn from your mistakes and pledge yourself that you won't ever give her a single chance to shit upon you. And always be in a cool and calm manner whenever she yells. It will make her embarrass without even saying a word. this formula really work !! gotta try dude

Tomorrow never comes and today never ends !
 

thanks for the advise guys, please keep it coming. She definitely suffered a huge dent on her ego when they hired me without her being around. Which is manifesting in this way. While I am trying my best to make sure that my work is up to mark, being so new, i am having some issues with having the speed and the level of quality at the same time.

In fact, the other analysts like to screw me over rather than help most of the time. One of them always passes her time-sensitive and tedious work to me whenever she can and being so new, i never say no. i have been working basically whenever i can - weekends, late night etc. My manager basically panics me whenever she talks to me....i am very keen on a lateral move but being only 4months in, do you think it'll be possible to convince the HR to allow for this?

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 
ratrace12:
My manager basically panics me whenever she talks to me....i am very keen on a lateral move but being only 4months in, do you think it'll be possible to convince the HR to allow for this?

Unless you've signed a written contract or even given a verbal commitment, you can leave one place and join another whenever you want. It's employment at will.

 
ratrace12:
My manager basically panics me whenever she talks to me....i am very keen on a lateral move but being only 4months in, do you think it'll be possible to convince the HR to allow for this?
Don't tell anyone you are even thinking of leaving.
 
ratrace12:
thanks for the advise guys, please keep it coming. She definitely suffered a huge dent on her ego when they hired me without her being around. Which is manifesting in this way. While I am trying my best to make sure that my work is up to mark, being so new, i am having some issues with having the speed and the level of quality at the same time.

In fact, the other analysts like to screw me over rather than help most of the time. One of them always passes her time-sensitive and tedious work to me whenever she can and being so new, i never say no. i have been working basically whenever i can - weekends, late night etc. My manager basically panics me whenever she talks to me....i am very keen on a lateral move but being only 4months in, do you think it'll be possible to convince the HR to allow for this?

Enough, enough. I've got the picture. Don't listen to the above people who gave you this or that advice which will only make you look more incompetent. You just need to be a bad ass to survive and possibly prevail in your brutal office. This kind of situation will continue until you give them one remarkable explosion.

I'm feeling like a star, you can't stop my shine---Ridin' Solo
 

A large part of the problem is that you are the low man on the totem pole. Other analysts passing you their shit work is just par for the course, unfortunately. That kind of thing happens everywhere.

 

In addition to what everyone else said, try to make at least one "friend" in the company - somebody you trust a little more than everyone else, whether it's a fellow analyst, someone more senior, or even somebody with a different work function (eg: CFO, Gen Counsel, Admin, etc.). That way, you can figure out how the politics work in the office, what the deal is with this manager (is this just her way of hazing newcomers? is it her or is it you?), and what people's perception of you is (do you deliver good work product? are they put off by your personality?) I think this is important because as a newcomer AND lowest on the totem pole, it's difficult for you to gauge whether you're performing up to standards for your level of experience without receiving honest/constructive feedback and it doesn't seem like your manager is being constructive at all.

While this is happening - prep that resume and start interviewing! But make sure you craft a bullet proof story of why you're trying to lateral this quickly.

 

SirTradesaLot has some quality advice. What you need to do is stand up for yourself. I'm not going to say I've experienced this, but you need to start producing quality work. You are going to make mistakes. The important thing is you don't make them again. When you make a mistake, right it down so you don't make the same mistake when you do it again in a week or so. And at the very least, you should be double checking your work.

Second, the culture seems pretty shitty and your boss is obviously a bitch so figure out why. Why does she hate you so much? Was she pushing for a relative or friend for the job and you got it instead? It seems like you're having a hard time relating to your colleagues. Can't give you solid advice on this other than stop being a weirdo and figure out ways to connect with your colleagues via shared interests.

As backup, start prepping your resume. Never hurts to have an alternative option, but remember that this should be your last resort. What you should do is sack up, produce quality work, and build some kind of rapport with your coworkers.

 

I think Battleship put it best with "don't take it personally". Whenever work or someone at work starts to piss me off, I just remind myself not to take anything personally and I am infinitely happier. Worst case scenario: you get laid off and enjoy your severance and unemployment benefits while looking for a job that does make you happy! Don't try talking back or any shit like that, as it'll just come back to bite you in the ass (maybe giving them probable cause to fire you, in which case you don't receive severance and unemployment).

That said, it' easier said than done. When you're working 80+ hours a week, it all feels pretty personal. Just try to ignore the bitch the best you can. In the mean time, can't hurt to keep looking for other options.

 

How can you not take something personally when the comments are specifically directed at you? Maybe this lady isn't saying things in the nicest possible way, but maybe there is a kernel of truth in what she is saying (maybe more than a kernel). If you don't take it personally, then you won't improve.

You shouldn't just be thinking "this lady is a bitch", but "maybe there are some things I can work on. I just graduated college a couple of months ago, so maybe I actually don't have everything figured out yet." She might be a bitch, but that's not in your control. Generally, you get along much better with your boss when you're doing a good job.

I would take the criticism, talk to her, improve my work quality, and reassess my options while doing so.

 

i don't have a problem with improving my work and making double the effort....my only problem with her is how can every single mistake lead to a job threat from my 1st/2nd month on the job.....i mean is it even reasonable? also since the day i joined, i am repeatedly reminded how she didn't hire me....in fact i almost see myself in a downward spiral now....she has crushed my confidence so much that lately i have been making mistakes that i have never made in my life.....

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 
ratrace12:
i don't have a problem with improving my work and making double the effort....my only problem with her is how can every single mistake lead to a job threat from my 1st/2nd month on the job.....i mean is it even reasonable? also since the day i joined, i am repeatedly reminded how she didn't hire me....in fact i almost see myself in a downward spiral now....she has crushed my confidence so much that lately i have been making mistakes that i have never made in my life.....

No, it's not reasonable. She sounds like an atrocious manager, a terrible human being, and a psychopath. I think you should look for another job (or switch groups if possible) and not stay there a second longer than you need to. Job threats are not even close to normal, and beyond unprofessional. It sounds to me like she doesn't like you personally and it has little to do with the actual work. Performance judgement is all subjective anyway.

Also, I thought this post by esbanker from another thread could be tangentially related, or maybe not, but it was well put: http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/comment/reply/170563/849340

 

i'm glad to hear this is not the norm of the industry. this being my first official job, i was wondering if i had just been lucky with all my internships. this is definitely a serious matter since its certainly not a way i am motivated by. also to add to the problem, its almost impossible to speak to her since she is the kind of person who won't let the candidate speak in an interview. i literally have to tell her "you really need to listen to me for 2 seconds" in order to let me speak......

i think i have had enough and i am finally at a breaking point. I need to voice it to someone who is her senior soon. However, as you guys are saying, I probably need to establish some sort of strong rapport/standing so that i will be taken seriously and things will not backfire..

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 

Direct confrontation with her would be preferable to trying to appeal to her seniors - they are unlikely to side with you unless they know you personally or really dislike your boss. It's all a game of political chess, and unless they have some connection or investment in you they're not going to risk making themselves look bad. You will just end up looking weak or a troublemaker. If it were me, I would schedule some time to talk to your boss and let her loudly and directly know what's up. I might also throw in a subtle threat to attempt to derail her MD promotion if she continues her nonsense (without actually doing anything - you don't want to accumulate enemies). This would be pretty easy if your shop lets you review your manager.

 
Going Concern:
Direct confrontation with her would be preferable to trying to appeal to her seniors - they are unlikely to side with you unless they know you personally or really dislike your boss..
Totally agree. I would go in with the mindset of having a conversation, instead of a confrontation. You will be more calm and collected.
 
Going Concern:
Direct confrontation with her would be preferable to trying to appeal to her seniors - they are unlikely to side with you unless they know you personally or really dislike your boss. It's all a game of political chess, and unless they have some connection or investment in you they're not going to risk making themselves look bad. You will just end up looking weak or a troublemaker. If it were me, I would schedule some time to talk to your boss and let her loudly and directly know what's up. I might also throw in a subtle threat to attempt to derail her MD promotion if she continues her nonsense (without actually doing anything - you don't want to accumulate enemies). This would be pretty easy if your shop lets you review your manager.

actually curious... how bad is a subtle threat with no follow-through. is it just as bad as having followed through?

 
ING:
Going Concern:
Direct confrontation with her would be preferable to trying to appeal to her seniors - they are unlikely to side with you unless they know you personally or really dislike your boss. It's all a game of political chess, and unless they have some connection or investment in you they're not going to risk making themselves look bad. You will just end up looking weak or a troublemaker. If it were me, I would schedule some time to talk to your boss and let her loudly and directly know what's up. I might also throw in a subtle threat to attempt to derail her MD promotion if she continues her nonsense (without actually doing anything - you don't want to accumulate enemies). This would be pretty easy if your shop lets you review your manager.

actually curious... how bad is a subtle threat with no follow-through. is it just as bad as having followed through?

Who knows. But you can't necessarily be blamed for something subtle and subtextual. If you follow through though you have no recourse thenceforth...the point is that if this boss hag is not a decent person, you have to both speak in a language that she understands AND act such that she doesn't completely lose what few marbles she has rolling around up there and then tries to take out your good eye with a plastic fork.

 
Going Concern:
Direct confrontation with her would be preferable to trying to appeal to her seniors - they are unlikely to side with you unless they know you personally or really dislike your boss. It's all a game of political chess, and unless they have some connection or investment in you they're not going to risk making themselves look bad. You will just end up looking weak or a troublemaker. If it were me, I would schedule some time to talk to your boss and let her loudly and directly know what's up. I might also throw in a subtle threat to attempt to derail her MD promotion if she continues her nonsense (without actually doing anything - you don't want to accumulate enemies). This would be pretty easy if your shop lets you review your manager.

Finally saw something really useful when I read the "derail her MD promotion" part. It takes so much time to get into the topic. This bitch deserves a job threat of her own. But reviewing her would be too weak. My plan: invest a lot time in her, finding out her weakness (everybody has some), use some sort of bait to make her do something that crosses the line, then the real fun will begin... It is just a war. Some people in this thread are being too simple too naive. OP, whenever you need that kind of help, PM me anytime.

I'm feeling like a star, you can't stop my shine---Ridin' Solo
 

from personal experience, do NOT confront. confront if you want to collect unemployment. but then again, if you have only been there 4 months, you could always leave it off the resume, and say you were traveling the past 4 months

 

alright ppl, big day today. One detail i should have mentioned is that this is a HUGE firm....hence i am talking to the HR about it today....hopefully things will go as planned! keep your wishes with me!

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 

lolz....but this is significantly different though...the HR is extremely independent because of the sheer size of the firm...i am traveling to a different city just to see them and will be asking them to keep this completely confidential..the idea is to sound them and get their advise....n if possible change move laterally within the firm....

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 

Went through the same shit in my last role at a BB IB. It was an associate there who had it for me ( he was a lateral hire from a boutique and a low tier b school which I think was a factor). He made my life miserable or the first 6 months, I just shut up an made sure he had no opportunity to point out a mistake and slowly he started coming around and by the time I left we were drinking buddies. Today I am on the buy side and he is a VP there, recently ragged him about a wrong number in his pitch book, all in good humor of course.

Quitting is stupid, stop making mistakes and the confidence you gain will help you ignore any baggage the other guys come with. You can't just keep running away

 

talk is done and i think it went well...decision is still on me if i want to get the HR to talk to them or i can talk to her myself...the HR definitely took her side as you guys mentioned but she admitted to the fact that she should not be this rude and use these kind of attacks...she said the confidentiality is going to remain until i say which option i want....given the situation, i think i will try to talk to her myself first...if it doesn't seem to work then i'll go to the HR to give my boss "feedback" on her performance as a manager.....

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 

how is it even possible to derail someone's promotion when u yourself are this new and junior in a firm? i have seen her get in tiffs when some senior guys before but she always seems to rebound easily....i think i am still too much of a student....the only thing i could do is to ruin their new recruiting process but that will only bite me if i stay here longer...focal task now is trying my best to perfect my work and gettin one of the VPs to be my mentor

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 
ratrace12:
how is it even possible to derail someone's promotion when u yourself are this new and junior in a firm?

In the film A Serious Man (which by the way is a great film), the main character is a professor on the verge of getting tenure, but his tenureship is called into question when someone starts sending anonymous defamatory letters to the tenure committee. So maybe that's an idea. Be creative!

 
Going Concern:
ratrace12:
how is it even possible to derail someone's promotion when u yourself are this new and junior in a firm?

In the film A Serious Man (which by the way is a great film), the main character is a professor on the verge of getting tenure, but his tenureship is called into question when someone starts sending anonymous defamatory letters to the tenure committee. So maybe that's an idea. Be creative!

It may work but apparently my route will work better. This kind of behavior is a little something (coward?), not what we fighters will be proud of. Anyway, just screw her in whatever possible way you can. no mercy.

I'm feeling like a star, you can't stop my shine---Ridin' Solo
 
<span class=keyword_link><a href=/resources/skills/finance/going-concern>Going Concern</a></span>:
In the film A Serious Man (which by the way is a great film), the main character is a professor on the verge of getting tenure, but his tenureship is called into question when someone starts sending anonymous defamatory letters to the tenure committee. So maybe that's an idea. Be creative!

such a great film. watching it made boardwalk empire an even better show.

 
ratrace12:
how is it even possible to derail someone's promotion when u yourself are this new and junior in a firm? i have seen her get in tiffs when some senior guys before but she always seems to rebound easily....i think i am still too much of a student....the only thing i could do is to ruin their new recruiting process but that will only bite me if i stay here longer...focal task now is trying my best to perfect my work and gettin one of the VPs to be my mentor

I totally feel you. You are just fresh out of school. That's why you are here to look for guidance. I'm not saying that you should do the way I told you but it is all up to you if it is not going anywhere better. Let me tell you: you still need to do the research on her and try to find at least one particular senior in the firm that does not get along with her. Then you approach, do some ass kissing and try to light up the feud between the two a little bit more. After, you can ally with this senior to fight the bitch together. You may be a good use for him/her and he/she may be a great source to take care of you along the way. win win

I'm feeling like a star, you can't stop my shine---Ridin' Solo
 

I won't even bother to talk. Don't expect the bitch to understand or sympathize - you are way too dispensable so she has no incentive to care. If this job is important to you, shut up and go back to work. At the meantime plan your exit. Don't even mention a word how you feel about her - you never know how yours words will be interpreted or backfire.

The Auto Show
 

Hi Guys, so I'm back with the issue now blown up ten times more...after talking to HR, things seemed fine and my manager at least used better language and reduced on the demeaning remarks but gave more constructive criticism....but it seems she couldn't settle with it and today she gave me an official warning letter along with the HR person....the letter says my performance has been week and i have a bad attitude towards criticism....they mentioned all the work which i did incorrectly in my first 2/3 months on the job and with even materially wrong facts in the letter...she also said that i should not be asking my fellow analysts any questions....i am working with headhunters right now to find something new but i wonder if if i should just quit this traumatising experience...it seems even the VP who was apparently helping me used to spill every single thing to her over the time i worked with him...i now have a appointment with her and the HR to respond to the letter...moreover, she has this action plan where she will work with me closely and have a talk to me every week....i'm thoroughly confused and feel at an utter loss on whom to trust or even merely talk to in this process..please advice!

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 

Action plan? Do you mean performance improvement plan? Dude you are toast.. by the end of this month honestly you will be on the street, why did it take so long to move to another job? Given the situation new employers may think you did not pass probation period and assume you are crap i.e. finding a job next month on the street will be very tough go look for new employment asap. It is sad but true welcome to corporate life. Learn from the experience and move on.

 

i have been constantly job hunting but in all truth its very hard to find a stint after being on the job for only 6 months....cuz no one thinks of me as a new hire and i don't have enough experience for to be an experienced hire...i am also facing a hard time cuz being in a PE FoF, HHs are not the most helpful...and they have been telling me that I need to do banking...right now I am trying to reach out to as many ppl as possible to make a move to banking. this really sux since i was one of the best kids in training and this is a huge BB...

I found something with another PE FoF but then i don't want to be stuck in the exact same role in a much smaller firm... i was hoping to move to another department by end of this yr when v were allowed to apply for internal transfers....given its only april and she issued me this letter, i know she won't let me stay...any helpful souls out there willing to lend a helping hand in recruiting? i'm up for being a new banking analyst and I think my resume can make the cut....my career is being screwed because this one person who hates me is my manager....

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 
ratrace12:
i have been constantly job hunting but in all truth its very hard to find a stint after being on the job for only 6 months....cuz no one thinks of me as a new hire and i don't have enough experience for to be an experienced hire...i am also facing a hard time cuz being in a PE FoF, HHs are not the most helpful...and they have been telling me that I need to do banking...right now I am trying to reach out to as many ppl as possible to make a move to banking. this really sux since i was one of the best kids in training and this is a huge BB...

I found something with another PE FoF but then i don't want to be stuck in the exact same role in a much smaller firm... i was hoping to move to another department by end of this yr when v were allowed to apply for internal transfers....given its only april and she issued me this letter, i know she won't let me stay...any helpful souls out there willing to lend a helping hand in recruiting? i'm up for being a new banking analyst and I think my resume can make the cut....my career is being screwed because this one person who hates me is my manager....

What exactly did she say you did wrong? You mentioned that she even showed you and HR your poor work quality. Was she justified in acting in such a manner? Look when one person has something against you it may not be your fault, but you said the VP was even talking behind your back. So I am getting to think that either your firm is filled with jackasses or you are doing something wrong.

Array
 
ratrace12:
i have been constantly job hunting but in all truth its very hard to find a stint after being on the job for only 6 months....cuz no one thinks of me as a new hire and i don't have enough experience for to be an experienced hire...i am also facing a hard time cuz being in a PE FoF, HHs are not the most helpful...and they have been telling me that I need to do banking...right now I am trying to reach out to as many ppl as possible to make a move to banking. this really sux since i was one of the best kids in training and this is a huge BB...

I found something with another PE FoF but then i don't want to be stuck in the exact same role in a much smaller firm... i was hoping to move to another department by end of this yr when v were allowed to apply for internal transfers....given its only april and she issued me this letter, i know she won't let me stay...any helpful souls out there willing to lend a helping hand in recruiting? i'm up for being a new banking analyst and I think my resume can make the cut....my career is being screwed because this one person who hates me is my manager....

Dude, you are seriously toast. You will never be able to work at this BB again in future if you let them fire you. Just leave GS/MS/JPM FoF now to the smaller shop asap.

 

she actually did not show but merely mentioned the instances when there were issues with my work...every single piece of that work was done in my first 3 months here and moreover some of them was actually work where i was not even formally staffed on the job but she told the HR that the office had to staff other analysts to cover for me....i am actually allowed to clarify and talk about the examples she gave in the letter on monday and so i am preparing a list of concrete responses to the examples she gave since most of them don't hold water.

when she gave me the letter, i also explicitly asked her what kind of feedback did the vp give on my deal and she said that the it was one of the most complex deals in the office and it being my first one made it hard but the issue was that in my first month, i wasn't formatting things the way they wanted...

the problem is that she is senior to that vp too....so i have had instances when that vp would talk to me and say that he understands how things are unfair to me over here...but then everyone wants to save their own ass....being the only new person on the team, i have constantly been picked on by her and whats worse is that i'm not allowed to aks qns...she does't allow me to ask qns from fellow analysts either...in such a case, i feel at a loss on whom to approach...and her letter explicitly ignored all the work that i did in the recent months and all the work that ppl are giving me to do now because i work well with analysis and numbers...

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 

also,an added qn i have is how bad will it be to move to a big4 corporate finance department? i do have outstanding offers from them and they have mentioned that they will be happy to take me but i feel on my resume, unless i move to something "equal" or better, going for a big 4 might throw me off my path...am i being too closed minded here?

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 

You should apply and stop being so picky. Moving to a smaller firm is not a bad decision as long as you are happy. Otherwise, if you are holding on so you can find a better position, then good luck with that. With the way people treat you there, I would jump ship at the sight of any offer with a decent enough salary to cover cost of living.

Array
 

the game plan to make me have a "performance turnaround" is still under process so I am working my butt off but considering how unhappy I am, I am going to quit soon..i am currently in the process of finalizing my next move....should be out of here by end of this month

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 

I will definitely do that once I am out...also to make sure I am clear, the bank is great and everyone else too...its just this manager. I have also come to know that she has some issues with female analysts since the one before me also had a very hard time and things finally worked for her when she managed to get under an MD's wing who was senior to the manager...

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 
ratrace12:

I will definitely do that once I am out...also to make sure I am clear, the bank is great and everyone else too...its just this manager. I have also come to know that she has some issues with female analysts since the one before me also had a very hard time and things finally worked for her when she managed to get under an MD's wing who was senior to the manager...

i know this may be sappy, have you talked to hr about moving managers?

 

Oh well, first of all, I hope you have learned that learning politics is as important as learning the skills you need for any corporate job. I've had a very similar situation at my very first job. The motivation of my manager by then was to retaliate the MD who hired me without informing her. The MD didn't have to because it is the MD who has the final hiring/firing decision. I was in a BB by then. It turned out that I lived up to her standards and became friends. She even wrote some very good recommendation letters for my B-school applications couple years later. I still kept in touch with her after I left that bank. I could do that within 6 months time, so can you.

Despite your grief and bleak situation, try to look at this from a positive angle where you put in extra 100% of effort (most of the time your "best" is not enough) and make her feel and believe that you genuinely want to stay and get along with her. This is a virtue you must possess, the earlier the better. This is also a much better story to tell your next interviewer (for a bigger role) to show that you have what it takes to grind it out. Nobody wants to hire a fucking quitter, regardless of the excuses.

I didn't go to the HR because as long as nothing unethical, violent, or any sort of harassment was done, going to the HR somewhat shows that you can't handle pressure. Remember, in most firms, your managers know every single trick to make you look bad and kick you out. When shit happens the seniors protect one another. Nobody will stand on your side. Get this fact straight, swallow, digest, and never forget.

Last, go to church, kid. You need to pray for a healthier mindset that helps you adapt to reality.

Invest first, investigate later.
 

dude that sucks, you never want to be THAT guy in the office. Quit and save yourself, you don't want to scar yourself emotionally, and lose the will to work in finance. I say quit and find another job, it's not the end of the world if it even takes 12 months to find another job, you are young.

PS, what the heck did you do to piss off your boss? Aside from getting work wrong, maybe something about your personality is abrasive or you give off an attitude? This is your first job out of college and your manager should guide you, not abuse you like this. As petty as it sounds, things like the first wrong impression or looking the wrong way to your boss can make them not like you, and in turn they will have a negative judgement on you in everything you do.

First impressions MATTER, and professionalism is everything. protect your reputation with you life! This is what I learned 3 years working in a corporate environment, heed this advice well padawan

My finance blog: AdviceAboutFinance.com Twitter @samleefinance
 

Quit the job before you get permanently scarred

I had a similar experience at my last firm. I worked in other companies before where people were much better so i knew that the people at this firm was a fucking joke and not the right fit for me. Hope the people at the firm enjoy that miserable working environment and horrible hours.

 

Ratrace tell us what's going on!! I just read every post and I'm so curious!! haha I haven't been this hooked on a thread in a while.

"You are neither right nor wrong because the crowd disagrees with you. You are right because your data and reasoning are right." -Warren Buffett
 

Read this entire post and am keen to know what finally happened. OP - having done 5 years of mid/small-market IB, I can tell you this kind of environment is very rare. It will make for a great MBA story, provided you have learnt something from it.

 

Ea perferendis consequuntur et eos. Corporis aut ullam eum vel id eaque porro. Eos quisquam et accusamus minima ut et.

 

Ut deserunt sit ut sed hic quia ut. Libero ipsam error omnis deleniti neque est omnis. Voluptas quo sed recusandae dolorem ipsam quis molestiae accusamus. Facilis mollitia occaecati recusandae ducimus ipsa odio. Neque qui quo qui incidunt autem et aut. Deleniti aspernatur aut dolores voluptas quas nobis.

Cumque dolor eos quae reiciendis quisquam autem est. Quia hic aperiam qui dolorum officia. Illo sunt sit minus debitis. Voluptatem eum maiores incidunt debitis aut qui quia. Maxime est dolorum qui excepturi aut perferendis et. Vel natus corporis eum mollitia excepturi unde magni dolores.

“I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals and I loathe humanity for its failure to live up to these possibilities.”
 

Nemo eos sed aut sit quasi reprehenderit quod eum. Et sequi dolor veritatis aut incidunt velit eos. Voluptatum doloribus ut eius et dolores tempora dolores sit.

Beatae aut voluptatem commodi dolore culpa. Id enim magnam molestiae consequatur quia aliquid rem. Velit cum quo sunt sunt et qui fuga. Magnam mollitia ut est et autem laudantium. Sed reprehenderit expedita eos est nam deserunt nihil. Quo dolorem necessitatibus ipsam perferendis.

Career Advancement Opportunities

March 2024 Investment Banking

  • Jefferies & Company 02 99.4%
  • Goldman Sachs 19 98.8%
  • Harris Williams & Co. (++) 98.3%
  • Lazard Freres 02 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 03 97.1%

Overall Employee Satisfaction

March 2024 Investment Banking

  • Harris Williams & Co. 18 99.4%
  • JPMorgan Chase 10 98.8%
  • Lazard Freres 05 98.3%
  • Morgan Stanley 07 97.7%
  • William Blair 03 97.1%

Professional Growth Opportunities

March 2024 Investment Banking

  • Lazard Freres 01 99.4%
  • Jefferies & Company 02 98.8%
  • Goldman Sachs 17 98.3%
  • Moelis & Company 07 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 05 97.1%

Total Avg Compensation

March 2024 Investment Banking

  • Director/MD (5) $648
  • Vice President (19) $385
  • Associates (86) $261
  • 3rd+ Year Analyst (13) $181
  • Intern/Summer Associate (33) $170
  • 2nd Year Analyst (66) $168
  • 1st Year Analyst (202) $159
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (144) $101
notes
16 IB Interviews Notes

“... there’s no excuse to not take advantage of the resources out there available to you. Best value for your $ are the...”

Leaderboard

1
redever's picture
redever
99.2
2
Secyh62's picture
Secyh62
99.0
3
Betsy Massar's picture
Betsy Massar
99.0
4
BankonBanking's picture
BankonBanking
99.0
5
kanon's picture
kanon
98.9
6
CompBanker's picture
CompBanker
98.9
7
GameTheory's picture
GameTheory
98.9
8
dosk17's picture
dosk17
98.9
9
DrApeman's picture
DrApeman
98.9
10
bolo up's picture
bolo up
98.8
success
From 10 rejections to 1 dream investment banking internship

“... I believe it was the single biggest reason why I ended up with an offer...”