Blond V Brunette and Short/Tall and Curvy/Slender

Short or tall, who cares, but curvy AND slender is best.

Curvy and slender nice choice.

Tall or short doesnt matter both have advantages. Long legs with the tall ones, but you can pick up those short ones easily.

Brunette, Tall, Slender

Brunettes for some reason look more sophisticated. But there is something about a tall blond that makes her the ideal fantasy woman

I'd actually pick a redhead. They always seem to have a good time.

Blonde or brunette, tall but not a giraffe. That's all I look for.

I agree with the sophisticated comment, makes brunettes sighly understated... maybe that's what makes them somewhat mysterious and gives them so much charm...

Thin & tallish (though I'd don't mind small & thin provided they are very thin). In fact I would say that just as you can't be too rich for them they can't be too thin for you. The only exception is tall, thin and very short hair - but short hair look cr.p on a bint anyway.

Although you could make a case for 'curvy' if you're talking about Jennifer Anniston in the early episodes of Friends or Cindy Crawford back in my college daya (mid 80s) just remember (as I found out with my first wife) that chicks don't get thinner with age. What starts out as 'curvy' at 25 becomes 'womanly curves' at 30 and becomes 'rubenesque' at 35 after two kids.

I'm just curious, what's according to your profile, an MD (+married?) doing on this forum, and why posting on this threat?

MD or not you made me laugh!

Age is an interesting theme, British girls seem to get overweight around 19. And some Mexicans and Indians just look amazing but things go awfully wrong as soon as they settle down. Anyone have a take on which women age best?

1. I'm a HF manager in London and one of my analysts told me about a joke that they had read on this site - reasonably funny though I've read worse in my day.
2. Not any more. I suggested that my wife hire a personal trainer and after a particularly tough day on the trading floor I came home to find the trainer giving her 'extra sessions'. However, the good news was that after I was fired not long afterwards (this was winter 2001) the trainer promptly dumped her fat *ss because he figured that I wouldn't be able to fork over six figures in alimony every year.

That mae me laugh too. Your right women seem to put on weight quickly. They also start losing there looks. So you want to go for a real looker and one that has a fit body, so maintains it for a while and when she begins to age, it takes a while. She will go from fit, to fat slowwer then a avg chubby girl.

Said is a hedge Fund Manager. So must have been markets.

That's what I meant; "you had to be" as in there was no other way.

Blonds. -about 5'5", nice firm/perky C cups, tight stomach, smooth legs, proportioned ass, nice hands and feet -no polish, just the white ends- slender face, thin nose, classy, heels with jeans. oh baby, that does it for me -im weak.

petite, curvy brunette.

Oh good god... Too much testosterone on this post.

I'm a very fair brunette... had long hair and went significantly shorter a year ago. I'm not so skinny... not so curvy either...

I like men that are tall and husky... not bodybuilders though. Dark hair, blonde - doesn't matter. For whatever reason I like men with round eyes, weird. Men seem gentler when they have round eyes. Must have strong arms and a tight butt. Most important - is a man's smile and if he laughs easily or has a fun, contagious loud laugh and is smart yet also silly... I'm hooked.

The critical thing for me is a man's talent at table. Sounds simple but it actually encompasses everything required for a good relationship. Wit, grace, cheek, conversation, careful regard for the pleasure of the beloved and for one's own pleasure, sensuality, appetite, timing, patience, and just the right blend of self-control and wild abandon. Dinner is theatre, only more engaging, because it is something that you can do and that is done to you. So few men can ever dine well... and those that can tend to take years to acquire the skills and the capacity. It's frustrating, particularly when one meets a man that one wants to like, that shows real promise... and then he goes and orders the grilled chicken breast, downs it in fifteen minutes flat, and starts shifting around in his seat as if he's ready to go.

I have been known to feign sudden exhaustion in such circumstances and ditch the dullard, only to open my black book to a different page and call a better companion.

Ms. Ind. that cracked me up... thanks! You're absolutely right.

Some guys dress the part, even act the part but it isn't until you spend a reasonable amount of time with them that the creepy comes out. I'm sure men can say the same about women.

I dated a gentleman who I really really really wanted to like, someone with definite potential. So I gave it the old college try... unfortunately he had this awful - just awful - way of chewing his food. He devoured his meals like he hadn't had anything to eat in days. The image I kept having is of a future life with him lying on a couch with a smelly t-shirt and devouring a turkey leg. Unattractive. Ugh.

Then I dated someone else who had excellent table manners and not only was it a drastic difference but I can attest there's a high correlation that good table manners transfers to other areas as well. It is an art. So true.

I see you ladies go into some detail.

Guys: Legs, Ass, Boobs, Body, Nice face done.

Yep. The bar is high for us.

True. A guy's looks will get him five minutes of conversation with me. (With a good ass, maybe seven.) After that, if he hasn't shown why he's one in a million, I'm out. As are a lot of girls.

I think one of the reasons why girls' standards are higher is that we're the ones being pursued... most of us between the ages of fifteen and forty who are even remotely attractive are being stopped on the street and in clubs constantly, being told we're gorgeous, and so forth. It gets tired by the time you're eighteen or so. And then you've still got more than twenty years to go.

Someone has to explain this phenomena to me...

Why is it as men advance in their careers and n age they become less and less playful?

Part of the fun of meeting someone, being attracted to someone and escalating what starts as a friendship to something that's hot 'n heavy is the art of being playful with each other. I love that. But why is it that business men are so hung up on themselves that they don't know how to be playful anymore?

C'mon... I like smart guys... but I like playful guys more :-)

What's up with that?

because we know that its all bull. well...

initially, from my experience with girls/women, its all about looks and earning potential (preferably realised). after getting to know one another then the other factors become relevant.

as to your playfulness question, i think that it has to do with a couple of things, first, realising the comment above, and second, in order to make it careerwise, one tends to age beyond ones years. even though i'm still quite young (26), i have already noticed this change. i suppose it is inevitable when you spend most of your time working alongside older men, you can't expect to behave like a 50 year old for most of your waking life and then switch to being a 26 year old just because you have a date. perhaps you could pretend, but what's the point?

sometimes i wonder if i have lost touch with my generation. the questions that i have on my mind are about where to buy a house, my portfolio and where to summer this year, but the girls that i date can't relate to any of this. i suppose that i can't relate to their lives either. i haven't watched mtv in years and have seen not more than one episode of desparate houswives or whatever show is popular nowadays. come to thing of it, i don't really know what these girls' interests are.

i've already been told by some girl friends that i should date women in their 30s!

not going to happend for quite a while.

I see... well, that gives me some insight.

Well, I can relate to the concerns that are on your mind - e.g. where to buy a house, portfolio etc. RE where to summer? Ay vay, I think that's totally a NY thing... kinda superficial, no? Honestly, if you think about it you could "summer" anywhere.

I guess as hard as I work - I don't take myself so seriously. I remind myself that I work hard now so that I won't have to work as hard later. While my career is important to me, it's not THE most important thing to me. I've managed to keep things simple and I've sustained a healthy sense of humor. Knock on wood. However, work can be so serious, that I want something NOT so mature and serious when I look to date someone. Does that make sense?

What frustrates me about dating is that it takes men months to losen up and be playful, by the time they do I've grown disinterested, bored. Sure, the reason I'm attracted to someone initially IS the fact that a man is smart and succesful. But when I'm attempting to build a relationship, I want to see another side of a man too. Some of the best stuff in a relationship comes out when two people are just being silly.

Listen, life is damn hard... and getting married, starting a family, building a home and raising kids is HARD. I guess it turns me off that men forget how to be playful. I start to imagine a future with a man that perhaps won't be as involved family-wise or someone that can't enjoy the simple things in life. What's going to be fun in that? Life just can be mature and serious all the time. Boring. That's only going to make you prone to ulcers at 26.

Perfect example... I had a date with an older guy, someone new. We went to an art gallery opening. Fun, interesting. The gallery was exhibiting the work of this Korean artist and we wound up talking to the artist later in the evening. I noticed that her paintings had something 'special' in them. When the artist was describing how her artistic expression has evolved over the past 20+ years, she said that her earliest pieces reflected much of her feminist rage and she had a lot of phallic symbols in her work. To which I simply blurted 'I thought that was what I saw!'. The artist and I simply laughed our butts off.

My date? well, he couldn't even see the phallic symbols in the paintings. Suffice it to say that I figured out afterwards that my date disliked that I had this discussion with the artist and moreso that I actually told the artist he couldn't see the phallic symbols. Oh good god. Perfect example of a man forgetting how to just chill out, be lighthearted.

Potential for this man? Nope. Just going to be a friend to hang out with. No romantic interest whatsoever. Sigh. Next...

interesting comments.

i don't think that going away on vacation is superficial. there is a whole world out there to explore and experience. moreover, what's the point of working hard if you aren't goning to enjoy the fruits of your labour, especially when you are young?

i also tend to go for light hearted women. i don't want to feel like we're having a due diligence meeting when i'm on a date, although it can sometimes feel that way. i like to be around people who enjoy life fully. i know i do. that is not necessarily the same as being silly. i dont' mind dating a silly girl as long as she can act appropriately when necessary. i don't ristrict the choices of girls/women that i date too much. as long as they are attractive and i enjoy their company.

it does take time for me to bond with and open up to a girl that i have been dating. i guess it is just my nature and probably works for the best as they tend to retain the image of me as someone successfull, strong and dependable as they begin to experience other sides of relinquo. i suppose it is also a useful mechanism to weed out the worthy from the selected few.

re your date. perhaps the guy you went to the gallery with didn't like it that you and some "artist" were taking the piss, at his expense, during your date! incredulous!

it seems to me that there may be a problem int he citeria that you are looking for. a conflict of sorts. wanting someone who is successfull, dependable and sure of what he wants doesn't translate into someone who will be silly. perhaps you would be happier with the various types of manchild available. there seems to be no shortage of those guys around.

Believe me... I'm not 25 years old and I assure you, I DEFINITELY know what I'm looking for in a man... and I'm most definitely not looking for a manchild.

Why do you believe that someone who is succesful, dependable and sure of what he wants implies that someone can't also be laid back and lighthearted or silly at times? It takes experience, maturity and most importantly being self-aware for a man/woman to know when to turn it on for business and when to turn the business edge off. I'm surrounded by succesful men all day. I already know this side of most men I date... I'm not going to make a connection with someone based solely on how succesful they are.

A man who is secure in himself wouldn't take offense at lighthearted banter - e.g. such as my conversation with this artist... What's so incredulous about that? Trust me, no one was purposely "taking the piss" at his expense.

addpepsi sounds like a opiniated woman. What characteristics of the thread title do you come under. Please leave your measurements also.

addpepsi knows that she wants the 50" 34" 20".

Finally! A real man who understands me.

(Sarcasm)

Wait, Aadpepsi. Hold up while I mud-wrestle you naked for the privilege of getting with the 50" whatever whatever.

Yawn.

Of course, he might not want either of us. We all know how unattractive opinions are in a woman.

On a serious aside, why is it that a certain type of man always thinks that, whenever someone laughs, they are laughing at him? Are men seriously this insecure?

Opinions in a woman are ok to an extent.

Mis Ind you can give your measurements too. Im thinking long legs.

Mis Ind... no need to wrestle, I can be generous... OK, you can have him :-)

Well on men being seriously this insecure... I think we already established on another post several months ago that YES, men are that insecure and easily mortally wounded!

Look at relinquos response... I may be mistaken, but it seemed like he actually

Finally, YES... a smart woman is always going to be pegged an "opinionated" woman... and an opinionated woman is always going to be regarded as an "alpha male"... and we know men are generally intimidated by an "alpha male"... Sigh. It's that viscious cycle of perceptions that one can't escape no matter what one says/does.

I wish there were more women in IB in general so that at least we can commiserate together. It's exhausting to have to always defend ourselves, don't you think?

sorry... i meant to finish that sentence...

"I may be mistaken, but it seemed like he actually agreed that my date should have been offended."

I know, Aadpepsi... it was as if Relinquo thought that the two women should have remained respectfully silent about the whole matter simply because a man who was on a date with one of them couldn't comprehend it. Also, as if the guy had first rights to you and your responses simply because he was on a date with you.

Sounds like you have quite an appetite there, Dan. There is more to talent at table than simply eating, however.

o sure. there is of course the motion of the tongue. you need the perfect balance -a soft touch yet a vibration that hits.

aadpepsi, sounds like you want to go to diner. i love eating out, especially when she doesnt see it coming.

You girls claim its about looks for you too. Then how come I see some real ugly ass guys with real hotties. It must be the money.

of course its money. but for girls that have more dignity, its about looks and personality.

I've been with guys that were both "ugly" (I guess, because people told me that was the case) and not rich. I found a certain beauty in them. The ugly man often has a calm, quiet dignity and a distrust of what lies on the surface. Their intentions are to move apart from and above the constant drive to attract attractive people. The truth is that for a woman to see beauty in them is often balm to a wound so much a part of them that they can no longer recognize the scars. It can be pleasant for a woman to do that for a man.

aadpepsi. hhhmmmm, associate. i love a women with power over me.

No no no, you have the power over ME.

I admit, I have been thinking about you ALL day...

I can't concentrate I haven't been productive I've been utterly useless All because I keep on thinking of YOU!

Heh. Nice.

Dude. Even my fiance is allowed to hit on other girls. In fact, I've pointed him towards my faves in the past, before we came to this city and our social lives collapsed. With the girls who are towards the hetero end of bi, that's the only correct opening sally.

My real concern, Dan, is not that you're hitting on Aadpepsi, but that you're going to botch the job.

No offense, but I can't believe there are lesbos in banking.

wah?

He's referring to me as a lesbo, Relinquo.

Seanc, didn't you know that most girls can go both ways? They may not need to, but they can.

(Psst. I'll probably start a flame war here, but boys are the same way. It's just the deeply-ingrained social norm of homophobia that trains boys to be disgusted at the thought of it. In some non-Western cultures, phases of experimentation and lifelong bisexuality are not uncommon for either gender.)

Also, Relinquo, I think we are getting to the root of the misunderstanding. The way I read Aadpepsi's post, they were laughing over the evidence of penises in the paintings... and THEN the guy couldn't get it. They did not laugh at the guy, nor did they laugh when they realized the guy couldn't get it. They were laughing of their own accord, and the guy wasn't involved.

i see. so what's the problem? i don't think that most guys find phallic symbols that entertaining, or funny. why hold it against him?

I don't think anything was held against him. He held something against her... and he couldn't have chosen to find the phallic symbols funny or entertaining, because he couldn't SEE them. Also, the two women clearly did not find the symbols funny in themselves, but the way in which they were hidden and revealed.

I think you should go back and read Aadpepsi's post more closely.

i have. to me, it seems as if two girls saw a Phallus in a painting, started giggling about it to one another and then, for some strange reason, found it odd that a grown man didn't find that histerical. some time later, this event was used as a generalisation of how humourless successful men are.

unless you are seeing something that i am not in her post, i don't see how it is relevant. feel free to hold it against me though. i'm not interested in dating either of you.

Relinquo, you're not listening. It's not that he didn't find it funny... it's that he didn't see the penises. He was too serious, too literal-minded to make the connection.

so? he didn't see symbolic penises in the painting. why did she have to make an issue out of it, in particular on a date?

Mis Ind understood precisely what happened on my date...

The artist and I were having a chuckle of our own accord. My date wasn't involved. He was eavesdropping at best. I didn't make an issue out of it. My date did...

The issue arose HOURS after we left the exhibit when I discovered that my date disapproved of my retort with the artist.

His inability to see the phallic symbols wasn't a mortal flaw... the flaw was that he took it seriously. The best way I can explain it is that he tried to see the phallic symbols and failed and he built up this translation in his head that it inferred that he wasn't "sexually aware". He sulked and took it personal. The turnoff was having to stroke his frailed ego about something so ridiculous.

The artist and I did not hold it against him that he couldn't see the symbols... we did't care less if he saw them or not. The reality is that the giggling started because I actually made fun of MYSELF. I told the artist that I must have a perverted mind because the symbols were the first thing I saw. THAT's why we starting laughing. It had nothing to do with my date or any inuendo against his manhood.

Anyways, in my experience I think every man's basic instinct is to defend himself against any inuendo against his libido... even when no inuendo is directly made or inferred. It's also my experience that the most succesful business men exhibit this behavior.

There ARE some men that actually would have found this highly entertaining and actually would have enjoyed the fact that I had a perverted mind and DID see the phallic symbols immediately :-)

A man who doesn't take himself so seriously would have been more relaxed and in the moment and would know to turn the business edge off and the fun ON. Think about it a little... this actually had the potential to turn into something really fun at the end of the evening...

Does this make sense? Probably not.

that guy didnt have the gift of the gab. I would have had a few quick replies for and the rest of the date would have involved your panties on my bedroom floor.

You're making perfect sense to me, Aadpepsi. It's Relinquo who's not getting it.

And see, Random, there are so many ways to make that situation fun and sexy if the guy's not not too busy making sure that his masculine dominance is preserved. Unfortunately, I imagine no panties ended up on any bedroom floors that night.

Sigh.

And Relinquo, just in case it wasn't crystal clear before:

The guy was NOT involved in the conversation between Aadpepsi and the artist. They were NOT laughing at him. They were laughing at their perceptions of the penises in the paintings.

Is it really so typical for men to think that anything and everything is all about them all the time?

Sigh, at least Random gets it :-)

That whole art gallery fiasco would be perfect material for a guy who had a quick wit! Totally could have been a fun and sexy scenario like Mis Ind said.

Although my date is generally a nice guy there's simply no chemistry, no romance. He'll be someone I just hang out with.

However, some other guy who's more lighthearted... yeah panties may end up on the bedroom floor :-)

Mis Ind, it IS so typical for men to think everything is about them all the time. That's my whole point about these sucessful business men. They're too wrapped up in themselves and their deals they forget what to do with a woman and how to have an easygoing, nice time!

I am successful. So is Aadpepsi. I highly doubt either of us would immediately assume that everything anyone says is about us.

Aadpepsi, my fiance is literal-minded and notoriously bad at perceiving symbolism. We've been in a very similar situation to that one before. His response is usually along the lines of, "Well, aren't you being a smutty little girl tonight," along with a sexy smirk, or, "That's my love; mind in the gutter, panties in the front yard," in reference to a now-notorious New Year's Eve incident in which the aforementioned dainties did in fact end up in the aforementioned location.

If he was drunk, he might go as far as, "I don't see anything. Clearly, you're not getting enough cock in your life. Let's rectify that as soon as possible. And that artist girl is hot... think she'd be insulted if I invited her to join in?"

See, that's fun and sexy. Getting one's testes in a twist because one doesn't comprehend a conversation is not.

Business is business... fun is fun... why would I or anyone else want someone who's all business all the time? Isn't dating supposed to be fun? What else is dating supposed to be?

Sure, I'm attracted to a smart man, a succesful man. I'd hesitate to date someone unless they were smart, driven, succesful. But that doesn't men I should forget how to have fun, does it?

We work hard so that we can play hard, no?

Relinquo, what's with you and the notion of manchild? Are men that know how to balance work/play manchilds?

Why do you presume that someone that knows how to have fun is simply turning their life into a piss take? That sounds awfully harsh and over generalized.

Some of the most succesful people in the world have completely different lives outside of work...