Small PE Firm or BB IBD

What is better? I want to end up in PE, but don't know if starting with a PE firm with under £250 m AUM is too small to start off, or if its better to have a BB brand name in a couple years time...

 

I've been at a lower MM PE (~$1Bn) for about a year and just accepted an off cycle BB IBD offer. For me, and like Kimchi said above, it came down to wanting broader exposure and a brand name. For perspective, I was invited to interview with five or six banks and just one other PE shop over the past few months. I made it to final rounds/super days for four of the banking processes and received two offers. On the other hand, I didn't make it past the first round of the one PE process. While I can only offer a small sample, starting in PE may not negate the importance of a couple years in banking.

 

IB would provide a better "training ground," if you will. People realize you won't know shit when you come in, not sure if that's the mentality for PE, especially smaller PE shops where they may expect you to hit the ground running.

If you can't the latter, stick with IB. You don't want to set yourself up for failure, get frustrated, or even worse, getting fired because you are not performing (no training).

 

As I have said dozens of times on here (you can go through my posts for explanations), if you have an opportunity to go to a well branded PE firm with significant assets that does a lot of deals and a formal analyst program, go do that 1000% of the time. Else, go BB. A L250 AUM firm probably isn't going to cut it so I would go BB. Work your ass off for a few years in any of these environments, and dedicate yourself to learning, and you'll become a spartan regardless.

 
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I am unfamiliar with the British PE market, so unfortunately, my advice may not be as applicable. I started out of UG at a similar size shop, and it was a good experience, but the shop was extremely lean and I found the professional development aspect to be lacking. As @Whiskey5 said, they would probably expect you to hit the ground running, which may or may not be the best situation.

If you joined the EB, you would stand a much better chance at getting a position at a larger fund a few years down the line. It's easier to go down market, in terms of deal size, then up market. Smaller funds see value in hiring ex-Associates from larger, brand name firms and it is much more difficult to move from a shop focusing on $100MM EV deals to a shop focusing on $500EV deals.

I would recommend you join the EB, and work to get a more senior role at a PE fund following your stint in banking. However, the hours can be grueling in IB, and you should take into account what your career goals are. If the fund you have an offer with does deals that you would like to focus on, and it's a career track opportunity, perhaps you should consider taking it; although, most people would recommend that at such an early stage of your career, you can never know what will be interesting for you 5-10 years from now, and would advise you to take the EB role.

Best of luck and keep us posted!

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Dude are people here in high school? Banking for sure. It's extremely hard to move up market especially at a 250m fund which is on the very lower end, while good banks have a funnel to get kids into megafunds and/or multibillion dollar shops, as well as top business schools. Source: did 2yrs at BB IBD and 2 years as a PE associate

 
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Dude are people here in high school? Banking for sure. It's extremely hard to move up market especially at a 250m fund which is on the very lower end, while good banks have a funnel to get kids into megafunds and/or multibillion dollar shops, as well as top business schools. Source: did 2yrs at BB IBD and 2 years as a PE associate

Not everyone wants upper MM / Mega fund experience. Some prefer lower MM.

 

Agreed, but it's not a bad idea to do MF or Upper MM then go down market to Lower MM if larger deals aren't your thing. Why kill off your ability to move around the PE market by starting at a super small PE fund? How would one even know if Lower MM is where they want to go for sure without having done banking or private equity already? If you don't know for sure you want to do Lower MM wouldn't you say it is better to start off at a larger fund and move if you have to?

 

In the UK, I would go for BB IBD. If you want to end up at a megafund or decent MM shop, they do the vast majority of hiring out of BB/EB, just because it's an easy way to screen for technical competency.

From a practical perspective, BB IBD is a good training ground especially if you can get exposure to PE transactions. Experience you get at a £250m AUM shop is not necessarily going to be as relevant to the larger shops because the investment process is quite different in terms of sourcing, participating in auctions, financing, DD process, etc.

 

I see going to a BB with name recognition as a career hedge. It minimizes your downside because if you want to go into another industry, it helps to have a name on your resume that people at least recognize.

Unless you want to do lower MM PE for the rest of your life, do the BB which will you give you a better variety of exit opps.

 

I worked at a small ($350 AUM) PE firm during the summer before my senior year. After the internship, the fact of the matter was that the firm could pick any IB guy and he would know exactly how to do my job before I even began training materials. Although that was not a total shocker, it led me to pursue IB following that summer analyst stint for the sole reason that branding/formal training mean everything. In short, you have to learn to bale the hay before you go searching for the needle in the haystack.

 

I know many stories from my friends about switching PE with IB and vice versa. If you see yourself In PE in LongRun then go in PE what are you waiting for? However, if you think that you're not well prepared for it, then you probably better star in IB. I started in PE without any IB experience and I'm glad I had an opportunity like this because you have bigger exposure, better experience (you're involved in whole deal process, while in IB you make pitches and other stuff 24/7, that's job for a dumb chimp, really). And you will be able to switch PE with another PE and if you want get into IB without any difficulties, justifying you decision like "Guys, I moved out from PE to IB because I need more drive and ardor. That's it. Hope my comment will help you and you will make the right decision. GL

 

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