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Stop posting useless questions
 

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Mr. White
     
 
(Orangutan, 255
 
Points)
 on 1/3/08 at 7:12pm

I know it's coming time for summer analysts to start interviewing, but stop posting useless questions like 'what are my chances at getting this' or 'what does the interviewer telling me this mean' or stupid ass shit like that. Stop coming to this board to 'confirm' what you already think. If you ask a question and the answers won't change the outcome, then don't ask it. If you ask a question and you don't accept critical/scathing answers, then don't ask.

What few senior people left on this board who can actually help answer REAL questions will stop answering altogether, so please stop for your own sakes.

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CompBanker's picture

Ouch, pretty bitter post.

CompBanker
      PE
 
 
(Almost Human, 8,751
 
Points)
 on 1/3/08 at 7:46pm

Ouch, pretty bitter post. While some people may be frustrated by the amount of inconsequential questions on the board, they do generate a level of actvity and content. I'm at the point where I can stop myself from clicking on most threads I have no interest in, as I'm sure many others are. I think we should all be glad that the "which bank is better?" threads have died down significantly as of late. Overall I find the level of posts just "taking up space" to be pretty manageable.

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nystateofmind's picture

CompBanker - I agree with

nystateofmind
      IB
 
 
(Senior Gorilla, 881
 
Points)
 on 1/3/08 at 8:13pm

CompBanker - I agree with you in that the number of manageable posts have significantly died down.

Although, Mr. White - I'm just as annoyed by the number of "What are my chances" posts. Guys - our answers aren't going to keep you from applying and pursuing your leads, so really why ask? And if our answers will determine whether you give up or not, you don't have the persistence and confidence required to get your foot in the door anyway. Please stop asking the board these questions to make yourself feel better.

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eb693's picture

Perhaps an immediate

eb693
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 on 1/3/08 at 9:31pm

Perhaps an immediate redirection to the 'Get a Job' subforum should be the stock response?

There really ought to be a script the scans posts for 'whut r my chansus @ gttin in @ ????!1?!one?' and flags them accordingly :)

Perhaps my banana-level is too low to be able to give a valid opinion on this, however!

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While it's inevitable that

ehf3660
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(Senior Baboon, 218
 
Points)
 on 1/3/08 at 10:48pm

While it's inevitable that some posts and questions will be useless, poorly thought out or annoying, I don't think its a good idea to discourage people or make them think twice before they ask questions with negative posts like this one. The best thing to do is just ignore the bad posts if you don't want to answer them, or explain to the specific poster why you think his post is wasting your time.

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ewong's picture

mr. white i'm sorry us

ewong
      IB
 
(Monkey, 60
 
Points)
 on 1/3/08 at 11:00pm

mr. white i'm sorry us rookies are taking up your valuable online forum browsing time... wait, no i'm not

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mlamb93's picture

The answer to 90% of this board's questions

mlamb93
      IB
 
(Orangutan, 271
 
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 on 1/3/08 at 11:12pm

So true. It's almost annoying at times. As a favor to anyone who asks, here are answers to the four most frequently asked questions on this board:

1. Hi. I'm currently a (insert class) at (insert university). I am a (insert concentration) major and have a (insert number) GPA. It's not a 4.0 because of (insert reason). I really love investment banking and I want to be an analyst so badly because (insert trite/textbook answer). What are my chances?

ANSWER: Your chances are zero if you don't apply no matter how much confirmation you do/don't get from anyone on this board.

2. Hi. I'm currently (insert age) years old. I have been working as an (insert title) for the past (insert duration) years at (insert company). I went to (insert university) college, majored in (concentration) and had a (insert number) GPA. My GMAT is (number). I want to go to HBS. Can I get in?!!?

ANSWER: See Q1

3. Hi. I have an interview coming up at (insert company) for (insert position). What should I know/study for the interview?

ANSWER: Read the job description and use Google. I still don't understand how this question gets asked.

4. Hi. I received an offer from (insert company) as an (insert position). It's not the job I want, but I'm thinking about taking it for (insert reason). What are the exit opps? Can I get into private equity or Harvard/Stanford/Wharton afterwards?!?!!

ANSWER: Exit opps are almost exactly what you think they are. You can't lateral from ops at Keybanc in Cleveland to Restructuring for Blackstone in NYC.

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Mr. White's picture

ewong 3.5 wesleyan? What?

Mr. White
     
 
(Orangutan, 255
 
Points)
 on 1/3/08 at 11:18pm

ewong 3.5 wesleyan? What? You're FUCKED? Yeah stfu fag.

Oh wait, you're going for a teller position, I guess you're just fine.

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ewong's picture

although you all make very

ewong
      IB
 
(Monkey, 60
 
Points)
 on 1/3/08 at 11:22pm

although you all make very good points about repetitive questions being annoying and "a waste of space", is it really that much of a burden on your day? is your experience at wallstreetoasis made that much worse because you have wet-behind-the-ears undergrads asking questions that you find "dumb" and "annoying"? we know you're all hot shot bankers and you know your shit... hence why we signed up for this board to begin with, because we hope maybe you can give us advice as it pertains to us on a case by case basis...

yes you're right that a lot of the "i'm from (insert school) with a (insert gpa) what are my odds at (insert BB firm)" are very similar and should receive similar responses, but you have to realize we repeat these questions because we seek answers as they pertain to our specific situations... not to mention that the search function on this website pretty much sucks the big one.

if seeing the TITLE of a thread really pisses you off that much, don't click the damn thing... and if the members of this board are really that big of pricks that they'll stop giving advice because of the exorbitant amount of "stupid questions", then so be it... but ask yourselves, would you rather have kids not asking questions for fear of being reprimanded or would you rather just bite your tongue and deal with it? if i were a hot-shit-big-swangin-dick like you fellas, i'd choose the latter.

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ewong's picture

real classy mr. white...

ewong
      IB
 
(Monkey, 60
 
Points)
 on 1/3/08 at 11:24pm

real classy mr. white... real classy... the homophobic comments and the attack on the school really exemplifies your intelligence and worth

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Mr. White's picture

yes you're right that a lot

Mr. White
     
 
(Orangutan, 255
 
Points)
 on 1/3/08 at 11:25pm

yes you're right that a lot of the "i'm from (insert school) with a (insert gpa) what are my odds at (insert BB firm)" are very similar and should receive similar responses, but you have to realize we repeat these questions because we seek answers as they pertain to our specific situations... not to mention that the search function on this website pretty much sucks the big one.

Tell me how getting answers to your 'situation' helps you smart guy? If I tell you your odds are 0% does that make a difference? Will you give up trying for the position? Yeah...thought so. So please stfu.

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Mr. White's picture

I answer dumb questions on

Mr. White
     
 
(Orangutan, 255
 
Points)
 on 1/3/08 at 11:30pm

I answer dumb questions on this forum all the time. What's the formula for FCF, what should I change on this cover letter, etc - stuff I'd expect someone could easily find out if they just picked up a vault guide. But I'm not annoyed about that.

However, when you and others ask inconsequential questions where the answers don't matter, such as "i'm from (insert school) with a (insert gpa) what are my odds at (insert BB firm)", then that's a waste of time for someone like me that actually looks to help and answers questions that I may not be interested in, because nobody else is going to answer those threads.

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ewong's picture

actually, sir, mr. white, if

ewong
      IB
 
(Monkey, 60
 
Points)
 on 1/3/08 at 11:36pm

actually, sir, mr. white, if a reputable individual were to inform me that my odds were 0%, i would definitely give up on the position... unfortunately as an anonymous online poster, you do not qualify as said individual... but seeing as you've informed me that i'm F-CKED because i'm from wesleyan with a 3.5, i think i'm going to call the 1st and 2nd year analysts alumni that i know at BBs in nyc and let them know they're F-CKED and wont be getting ibanking analyst positions... oh wait, they already work there...

and is that really how this board works, mr.white can just dock my bananas because i pissed him off? i kinda like havin bananas mr. white, so i'm going to kindly ask you to please refrain from ridding me of more banana points... sir.

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Mr. White's picture

"actually, sir, mr. white,

Mr. White
     
 
(Orangutan, 255
 
Points)
 on 1/3/08 at 11:40pm

"actually, sir, mr. white, if a reputable individual were to inform me that my odds were 0%, i would definitely give up on the position... unfortunately as an anonymous online poster, you do not qualify as said individual"

And that's exactly my point smart guy. If you're not going to listen to the answers, then stop asking.

"and is that really how this board works, mr.white can just dock my bananas because i pissed him off? i kinda like havin bananas mr. white, so i'm going to kindly ask you to please refrain from ridding me of more banana points... sir."

wtf? dock bananas? I don't even know wtf you're talking about you dumb shit.

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Mr. White's picture

ewong if you know you're

Mr. White
     
 
(Orangutan, 255
 
Points)
 on 1/3/08 at 11:43pm

ewong if you know you're going to get in, then stfu and stop asking dumb questions on this forum. Oh wait, you're insecure and don't know if you'll get in because you're at wesleyan with a 3.5? Oh yeah...that's what you said on the other forum isn't it?

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ewong's picture

what makes you a

ewong
      IB
 
(Monkey, 60
 
Points)
 on 1/3/08 at 11:50pm

what makes you a d-bag-anonymous-poster is that instead of logically and reasonably explaining to me WHY i have no shot at ibanking, and HOW i can go about increasing my chances... all you have to offer me are the words "fag", "smart guy", and the acronym "stfu", none of which actually help me... when i posted a thread earlier in regards to my school, gpa, chances, etc... i was answered by an intelligent member who explained to me that its impossible to quantify odds, every situation is different. and when i then had another member look over my resume, he/she aided me and gave me advice on how to increase my chances of an interview and what parts of my resume were my strong suits, weak suits, etc... this would qualify as helpful information that i WOULD listen to, even though its from an anonymous forum member.

are we on the same page mr white? what im tryin to tell you is that, in fact, we rookies DO listen to the advice you give us, and if someone explained to me reasonably WHY i have no shot, i would in fact consider a career change. and for christ sakes we're all adults here so please cut the bullshit name calling and swearing... "smart guy"

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Mr. White, I'm a prospective

squirtle
      IB
 
(Senior Baboon, 248
 
Points)
 on 1/3/08 at 11:50pm
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It's annoying because it

ideating
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 on 1/3/08 at 11:53pm

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Mr. White's picture

I would stop being a d-bag

Mr. White
     
 
(Orangutan, 255
 
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 on 1/3/08 at 11:53pm
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ewong's picture

touche... as a firm believer

ewong
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 on 1/3/08 at 11:50pm
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ewong's picture

touche... as a firm believer

ewong
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(Monkey, 60
 
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 on 1/3/08 at 11:50pm
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ewong's picture

touche... as a firm believer

ewong
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(Monkey, 60
 
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 on 1/3/08 at 11:53pm
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ewong's picture

ok im retarded i have no

ewong
      IB
 
(Monkey, 60
 
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 on 1/3/08 at 11:55pm
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Mr. White's picture

ewong, I don't like being an

Mr. White
     
 
(Orangutan, 255
 
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 on 1/3/08 at 11:56pm
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ewong's picture

deal

ewong
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(Monkey, 60
 
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 on 1/4/08 at 12:01am
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Banking on Investments's picture

Although I agree with you to

Banking on Inve...
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.

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haha as the guy who asked

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Monkeybone's picture

No sense in stifling free

Monkeybone
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(Senior Chimp, 19
 
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 on 1/4/08 at 8:28pm
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pineapple's picture

except nobody will post

pineapple
     
 
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