Living off 60k base in NYC?

What's take-home pay biweekly for 60k base in NYC? Just trying to figure out what if any I'll be able to save. Fixed expenses being rent (aiming for ~$1500 a month) and student loan repayments

 
DaisukiDaYo:
seville:

you're probably going to earn about $1,500 after-tax give or take, every 2 weeks. ($3,000 a month)

$70k is ~4.4K/month after taxes, so you're saying a $10k dropoff equals $1.4K less a month? Sounds reasonable.

Too lazy to calculate but there are multiple threads on this already.

How do you figure a 14% decline in salary equates to a 32% decline in after tax pay?

And that $4.4k after tax monthly pay on $70k/yr in NYC sounds a little rich...

 

$60k is very close to $2300 bi-weekly pre-tax. After taxes you are looking at something very close to $1620 bi-weekly. And yes this is accurate.

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yeahright:

$60k is very close to $2300 bi-weekly pre-tax. After taxes you are looking at something very close to $1620 bi-weekly. And yes this is accurate.

This is right but also keep in mind you will probably have pre-tax health insurance and maybe dental insurance. Also pre-tax 401k contributions if you do that. Health insurance is roughly another 50 a paycheck and dental is 10 for me.
 
lucidfighter:
Anacott_CEO:

1,500 will be steep, coming from experience with around that salary.

what do you find yourself spending money on outside of rent/lunch/transportation?

Alcohol/bars/drunk food. Weekends are incredibly expensive and will really sneak up on you. That's one thing I didn't really account for in a budget is all of the bullshit little costs that add up; 20 here, 30 there, that stuff will happen all the time.

 

side question, how many ads do you guys see for apartments that seem too good to be true? I'm seeing a lot of listings for 4br apartments in places like gramercy and chelsea for like $1300 a person between 4 people. that seems very doable and they look pretty nice (from pictures at least)

 
lucidfighter:

side question, how many ads do you guys see for apartments that seem too good to be true? I'm seeing a lot of listings for 4br apartments in places like gramercy and chelsea for like $1300 a person between 4 people. that seems very doable and they look pretty nice (from pictures at least)

Probably a hidden brokers fee.

There are some great deals, but they're usually gone in under a day. You have to really be on top of your apartment hunting in NYC.

 
lucidfighter:

side question, how many ads do you guys see for apartments that seem too good to be true? I'm seeing a lot of listings for 4br apartments in places like gramercy and chelsea for like $1300 a person between 4 people. that seems very doable and they look pretty nice (from pictures at least)

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Pictures are taken at the best angels to make the apartments look bigger than reality. Chances are they are really small.

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I have a good friend making 65k base in NYC and he is doing fine. He has 2 roommates and no car though. Plus his bonus is light (non-finance), so he's not making the difference for living there.

 
dereka2013:

I have a good friend making 65k base in NYC and he is doing fine. He has 2 roommates and no car though. Plus his bonus is light (non-finance), so he's not making the difference for living there.

why are you making it sound as if having a car is a common thing? almost no one in the city who is single has a car here unless they are affluent

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Having a car, or transportation in general was clearly mentioned above. Just saying how a friend makes it in NYC with or w/o the two most common major expenses, rent and a vehicle.

 
dereka2013:

Having a car, or transportation in general was clearly mentioned above. Just saying how a friend makes it in NYC with or w/o the two most common major expenses, rent and a vehicle.

there isn't a single person who would have expected your friend earning 65k to have a car...

if he did have a car they would think it was a stupid expense

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Thanks for the insight guys. A couple of additional details -- my office will be in midtown Manhattan and it will be typical consulting hours i.e. 8:30-8:30 or so.

I was looking into the Boroughs as well such as Brooklyn and Hoboken and maybe even Jersey City. Are these places not recommended? Is Manhattan the way to go in terms of lifestyle and enjoyment?

"Well, you know, I was a human being before I became a businessman." -- George Soros
 

Yes, very possible. Assuming you mean Manhattan, which will be difficult at times, but alot of people survive on that or less. My salary was 62k when i started 2.5 years ago.

Neighborhoods that you can afford - with roommates(no shot at living at home): Murray Hill, Midtown East and West. UES, UWS, downtown.

You will be paying about 1500 for a room. Which will leave you with 1500 take home pay after taxes. Assuming you aren't suffocating in college debt - that is enough.

Also keep in mind, that if you sign lease on new apartment you and your roommates will need to make about 40x monthly rent payment. So if your 2BR apartment is 3k you and your roommate need to make at least 120k between the two of you. If not, you will need a cosigner. You may even need one if you hit that threshold as a fresh grad.

Craigslist is good because you can sometimes sublet a room for a few months and figure out where you want to live. Also good to just find roommates to find a new place. Try reaching out to HR and see if they can put you in contact with other new-hires. That or post on some facebook group at your school and see if anyone else is moving.

 
Lex120:

You will be paying about 1500 for a room. Which will leave you with 1500 take home pay after taxes. Assuming you aren't suffocating in college debt - that is enough.

That's a f*cking disgusting lifestyle if you ask me. I made more take home when I was 16, cutting lawns and tutoring.

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Hi Lex120: I just got an offer for 80k approx, and I will be moving from California to NYC, can you please recommend me a few neighborhoods in "Manhattan" I could afford to live in? I know living alone could be a bit tough in that price range but I prefer to do so (may be a studio apartment). Thank you very much in advance. Many Thanks, Vidya

 

Hoboken and Brooklyn are fine. I'd rather live off the subway since the PATH is a pain in the ass after a night out but getting a cab to take you to Jersey is a pain AND more expensive - meaning (of the two) I would lean toward Brooklyn to save some dough.

Making $60k/year you can live in many desirable neighborhoods in Manhattan with a roommate - you won't be balling out of control but you can pay your bills. Also, if you're not hung up on the names of neighborhoods, you could actually rent an updated studio or one bedroom in the gentrified part of Harlem for about $1300-$1600 and live on your own.

You may want to sublet something to start. This will afford you a few months to check out different parts of the city and see where you can see yourself living. Too many people get ripped off and end up miserable by signing year-long leases before they've had a chance to experience the different parts of the city.

Good luck!

 

If your work is by the NQ stops, I would say Astoria. If it's by Grand Central going to LIC/Sunnyside would be good options too. It takes 15-20 minutes for my wife to get to work on 5th by Central Park from Sunnyside. Rent will be wayyyyy cheaper and still have great neighborhoods for things to do late at night.

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I would either ask for a larger base salary or look for a different gig. Starting at $60k is too low and will take you too long to move up the curve to a more comfortable salary.

NYC is an expensive place, and you will have FOMO when your new friends are out having fun at the end of the month while you are watching Netflix because you ran out of $$$ before your next paycheck hits.

Over time, the sheer fact that you will be paying 50% of your take-home pay to a landlord will play with your sanity, and it will make you question the career choices that you made.

 
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ibankerben:

I would either ask for a larger base salary or look for a different gig. Starting at $60k is too low and will take you too long to move up the curve to a more comfortable salary.

NYC is an expensive place, and you will have FOMO when your new friends are out having fun at the end of the month while you are watching Netflix because you ran out of $$$ before your next paycheck hits.

Over time, the sheer fact that you will be paying 50% of your take-home pay to a landlord will play with your sanity, and it will make you question the career choices that you made.

I get the type of people this site is geared too, but starting at 60k is not shockingly low. Outside of banking, and top consulting, that is a pretty standard pay package. It is the pay for Big 4 roles, IT consulting type stuff, entry level f500 work.

And lets not act like it is some travesty to get by on close to 400 bucks a week in disposable income as a 22 year old right out of college. Sure, if you try and keep up with bankers at GS and Hedge Fund guys you won't be able to. But, hang out with people who make the same amount as you do, hang out with people who make less, people in advertsing, media etc, who are often more fun and interesting than your typical ego driven banker and you will be FINE.

 

You can easily survive on $60k in NYC. There are "artists" (aspiring musicians, actors, etc.) living in the city who get by on much less. My first year base salary / guaranteed compensation was not much better at $70k and I did not have any problems during my first year. I also was not especially frugal (e.g. I had an Equinox membership, ate out at restaurants, took taxis or Uber when I didn't feel like riding the subway, etc.)

 

Craigslist is good, but also try Facebook - there are groups for people looking for roommates in NYC, and being able to see who people are/briefly stalk their life to get a slight understanding of them. Definitely would recommend for the roommate vetting process, as the last thing you want is a poor roommate situation with how busy you are.

I'd recommend Brooklyn, and neighborhoods like Prospect Lefferts Garden (2/5 train from a neighborhood stop can get you to 42nd street on the East or West Side in like 30 minutes), or Bushwick/Williamsburg if you're able to find one of those 3-4 bedroom living situations where you can pay a decent amount and live in a fun, young trendy neighborhood. Just make sure you're a short walk away from the L, that train runs like every 3 mins during rush hour.

However, I have to echo the people who believe $60k is low, especially for a 12hr a day gig. You absolutely must get a roommate, to try and get your monthly payment closer to $1k. Over the last year it was brutal trying to survive on $65k, credit card debt accumulates. Furniture, random incidentals, women - it will add up. However, if you're alright with minimizing your social life then you'd be alright.

 

Not sure if it is an option for OP, but one thing to consider is starting off in a lower cost city and making the jump to NYC later. I started out at 70K w/ no year end bonus in Chicago, lived very well and saved a decent amount. Two years and a couple of raises later I made the move to NYC and got my move (including temp housing and broker fee) paid for by the company I was joining. The extra monthly income that those raises translate to are the difference between scraping by and being able to really enjoying some (though of course not all) of the amazing stuff NYC has to offer.

There are so many jobs in NYC, it should be doable to move over in most any industry if you try hard enough.

 

Its sad that this is a finance forum and people that make no money ($60k) think about living in Manhattan and wasting money on rent. 10 years later you're going to have little to no savings. Please stick to bridge-and-tunnel, if you're working in Midtown, I suggest you live in Queens. (Manhattan is the "real" NYC I'm advising against, and the "boroughs" or "bridge-and-tunnel" areas like Brooklyn/Queens/Hoboken/Jersey City aka not the "real" NYC are the areas I am advising you to consider). If you like in Queens (Astoria/LIC/similar towns) your commute will be very much similar to most of your colleagues that reside in "real" Manhattan but your rent will be lower).

I'm no Ferrari Owner guy (read: front office), but I'm in the $150k range and still fucking rent in Queens. It's just 15 minutes to Midtown Manhattan, my commute is a lot lesser than most "Manhattan" folk. Queens has some nice brand new buildings as opposed to stinky Manhattan shacks in your price point. You wanna take random girls home? That's your reason for the "i live in Manhattan" brand? I'd focus on learning how to make more money first. The least I've ever worked for in NYC is $105k base + 10% bonus ($115k all in) and I STILL wouldn't rent in NYC even now at $150k. Besides, when you are in a phase of life where you're spending more hours in the office than in your bedroom, why blow money on it? Save it for later when you have more free time in life and can own your mansion with a larger down payment from money saved. When you get out of work at night and want to socialize, you're already in Manhattan so where you live doesn't even count. When you go back home after the social, you are hammered, so again, if you're 15-20 minutes away in Queens again it doesn't even count since you're brain-fucked.

To each his own, but life is going to be a lot less stressful with you have liquid cash in the bank - that's a fact.

All hot girls (if social life is the reason) know it's no big deal living in a shitty stinky room-mate share in "Manhattan". When you can afford a $1.2 million one bed room apartment (average NYC apartment cost) maybe then there's some status behind "living in Manhattan". Just my two cents.

 

IF OP lives in LIC/Astoria and works directly off the N/Q it is a 20 minute commute until he has a late night at the office or goes out on the weekend and it takes 60-90 minutes to get home. Otherwise add a 10-15 minute walk or train change if OP works in the Grand Central or Rockefeller Plaza area. OP would pay less in rent though.

Are you in a serious relationship/married or do you convince girls that you won't murder them to get them back to your place in Queens? An accessible part of Brooklyn is one thing, but there was no way anyone was going to take me back to Queens when I lived in Manhattan. And no, they weren't coming to my place either. Queens is great for married/relationship living but not somewhere you go if you are hoping to go out and get laid until you find someone.

 
Managerette:

IF OP lives in LIC/Astoria and works directly off the N/Q it is a 20 minute commute until he has a late night at the office or goes out on the weekend and it takes 60-90 minutes to get home. Otherwise add a 10-15 minute walk or train change if OP works in the Grand Central or Rockefeller Plaza area. OP would pay less in rent though.

Are you in a serious relationship/married or do you convince girls that you won't murder them to get them back to your place in Queens? An accessible part of Brooklyn is one thing, but there was no way anyone was going to take me back to Queens when I lived in Manhattan. And no, they weren't coming to my place either. Queens is great for married/relationship living but not somewhere you go if you are hoping to go out and get laid until you find someone.

I totally support him living in LIC/Astoria etc. (that's exactly what I was recommending in my original response) though I disagree with your 90 minute theory being a strong enough reason to live in Manhattan because the few nights in a month when he's in that desperate situation where saving those few 20 mins matters so much, and with the funds he will save on rent, my boy's gonna upgrade to an Uber and get back home quick and still turn out with $100k cash in savings much sooner than if he takes the other route. Hell, I'll personally pick him up and drive him back.

Also, a big problem in his "model" was the assumption that he will quickly grow in base salary - you never know what might happen (given your starting salary itself is low, there's a high probability you're not going to be making 2x base in 2-3 years. Clearly he isn't a front-office/investment banking type guy, he stated he's in an IT role). I've seen time and again, people that start low, almost mostly always remain low for a long time. I don't wish this upon him or anyone, I'm simply talking from my personal observations. Even at my bank, entry level IT people start off at $90k out of school and just last week I was talking to a buddy in IT (who by the way isn't even a coder, he's a soft-IT guy) who got his first job at $120k - doing IT.

Meanwhile in other local news, sure, maybe you didn't go back to Queens to get laid because you thought they will murder you (oh please), but then... you're not saying you slept over at $60k guys' living in a tiny, stinky old $1000/month Manhattan rental with another room mate of his situated 5 inches away from you and your cute date, did you? Cuz' I'm sure you were classy enough to date the real men from Manhattan that actually could afford a real Manhattan apartment (impossible on $60k salaries).

Look, give the OP a break - he's not from the tri-state area, mentioned he has visited NYC only once, so is it really going to hurt him if he starts off slow in Queens? He can move into Manhattan at any point if things don't work out and come out with some savings. It's always easier to upgrade your lifestyle, and much much harder to downgrade. OP, don't take my harsh blunt tone seriously, I have your best interest at heart and have gone through the same journey as you (I'm 31 years old). Save your Dollars when you don't have many, and spend your Dollars when you have many.

 

Thanks for all of the insight fellas a few additional details -- I will be travelling most weeks Monday-Thurs and will have all of my meals paid for while I'm on those engagements so that is a large number of costs that I won't be facing. Secondly, I don't see this as a long term gig -- my plan is to apply to B schools after 3 years and matriculate in my 4th year. I am going to study hard for the GMAT and take part in extra-curriculars such as junior achievement and habitat for humanity.

At the end of the day I intend to work this gig for 4 years go to a top 15 B school and switch over to IBD as an associate.

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Thank you everyone (other than 1 idiot) that has kept it real. It doesn't take a fortune to live in the city, especially if you're living out in brooklyn or queens. You can even live in manhattan and have a roommate (there are people in their 30s that do this even though they could easily get their own place - this is common here) and not pay a ton of money.

NYC is expensive but you get what you pay for.

 

Having roommates definitely helps with your budget. Check out, UWS, UES, and Astoria. These are all relatively quick trips into mid-town to work and just pre-game before you go out. Being from NJ this is what I have to say about Hoboken and Jersey City: They are both great places to live and you can find some amazing apartments with your budget. The main issue is transportation. You can find an awesome apartment, but find yourself with a 20 min walk to the train. Sure that's fine during the summer, but come winter time you'll curse yourself for making that walk everyday.

 

Everyone has made great points.

I'll touch upon a different topic. It's the little things, like if you drink a ton of coffee, buy some to make yourself at home. Stuff like that. Hit up Trader Joe's over Whole Foods, and/or the local supermarkets before Trader Joe's. I've followed menswear blogs, some that recommend great quality menswear, but the brands are not well known. If the quality isn't important, like for large manila envelopes for storing old papers, buy them at the dollar store.

 

the best low cost manhattan housing I've seen small was a small one bedroom apt for 2300 in a very nice doorman / elevator luxury building on the UES (70's)...but these were essentially 400sqft studios with a wall. 230012 = 27,600/year 230040 = 92k/year required salary.

So, making less than 70k, to live in "prime" manhattan, you will either need to live in a walkup building, or get a roommate. Neither is horrible...thats just the manhattan real estate market. To spend less, you can look to the boroughs (many people do). 1500 for a roommate situation is pretty standard in manhattan (thats how i started also). Again, you can spend less for more in the outer boroughs (Brooklyn, Queens, Hoboken/JerseyCity), and other than a few extra (15-30?) minutes on the subway/path train for your commute, its not so bad.

Regarding meeting women..if you have good "game" then your financial situation means less. That said, most guys have pretty shit game.

If your primary concern is meeting girls, you would be better served to watch some RSDFreeTour Videos from RealSocialDynamics (download/torrent for free "RSD Julien Pimp" http://pimpingmygame.com and "RSD Julien Shift" from kickasstorrents.cr )

This will teach you "game" how do to it, what good game looks like...to the point where you can easily "trick" girls into finding you attractive, regardless of your financial circumstances.

 

lolol someone bringing up game/RSD on here. My mannnn

but yeah, most guys are chodes --- if you vibe, she won't leave on the basis of your job title (and you can lie per above comments), and she does after a quality interaction, then fuck that.

cheers

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It's possible, but live in Jersey City or Brooklyn/Queens as other posters have alluded to. You used to be able to do Grove Street with a roommate for $1000/mo. That may have increased to $1200/mo, but you don't need to spend $1500/mo on rent. Also JC has a lower cost of living and no NYC tax, which saves another $150/mo. Back in 2007, street was $60K. They upped it to $70K for the year behind me (and did not give second year analysts any sort of boost)

If you are frugal- if you do not go out clubbing or go out to eat anywhere fancy, you should be able to save $500-$700/mo before bonus. Next year you will get a raise towards $70k hopefully, which would mean another $500/mo in take-home. Now you can afford Sunday brunch, or you can keep building up your savings.

It's definitely possible, but you will have to live in an outer borough and be thrifty if you want to build up some savings.

 

You forgot subway fare at $3/trip or whatever it's up to these days, so you have a monthly deficit. And then there is also gym membership.

Jersey City or Hoboken can save you $10,000/year over Manhattan.

First year analysts should be frugal, especially on housing (unless walking to work is a need- IE you work 100 hours a week). Once you have your budget worked out, you can sign a more expensive lease next year.

If you know your job is 60 hours/week, it's better to live in JC or Brooklyn and have financial security and a nice life than live in Manhattan and be too poor to spend anything or do anything outside of your 200 square foot studio.

 

$400 on bars/restaurants seemed really low to me, like insanely low. I don't understand why you would even bother paying NYC rent if you weren't going to go out constantly and enjoy yourself. Dinner and drinks is $50 at a minimum and it gets into the triple digits fast. Makes no sense to me to move to NYC and live like a college freshman but I'm from a flyover state so what do i know....

 

I wish I had read this post earlier. I had an interesting experience with the director of research for a middle market bank when I applying for a biotech ER associate position.

He asked what I expected to be paid - and I replied with upper 70s - since being a PhD student for the past 5 years making 26k a year from the program as a "living stipend", 70k sounded amazing.

When I gave that answer, he dropped his pen, looked directly at me and said, "You'd be homeless."

Now after living in Hell's Kitchen for the past two months, paying $2800/mo for a 480 sq foot apartment and paying 25-100% mark ups on food relative to what I did in the Midwest - I see why.

I realize this is a bit late to the game for advice for OP, but the DOR also said, at anything lower than 90k base salary I would be easily poached by another bank. They need to pay you what you're worth - so if 60k is too low, then another, better opportunity will present itself rather quickly.

 

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