Transfer to target school?

Currently a junior about to be a senior debating transferring to a target school. Don't really have a problem with taking an extra year if it means I have a better chance of landing an internship in IB or PE. Have a 3.9 at a non-target, but my main goal right now is to land the best experience possible and I feel I can only do that at a top school; am I wrong? Have decent work experience at a few boutique firms but nothing related to IB.

Got into some top schools, but didn't go because I didn't want to take out debt. Or should I just stay at the non-target and apply? If you do suggest transferring, what schools would be the best bet?

 

There's a lot of threads on this if you search around. No right or wrong answer really, but i'm confused are you going to be a junior or senior this year? You said you're looking for an internship so i'm assuming junior, but if you'll be senior I don't see the point in transferring. Anywhere you go you'll be putting in the same amount of effort trying to break in

 

I transferred to a target school as a rising senior. Although I had a ton of credits, target schools require that you stay 2 full years at their university before getting a degree. For you, that means you wouldn't graduate until 2020. Pros: OCR, you get to recruit for internships as a "junior", and you get a brand name school on your resume. Cons: It will have taken you 6 years to finish undergrad, recruiters will most likely questions why you decided to transfer after you were already eligible to graduate, and you will NOT have a relevant GPA while recruiting your first year. My recommendation: Either consider non-MBA masters programs or get some decent work experience after you graduate (get paid instead of taking on more debt for more school), do your MBA at a target school, and then recruit for IB. If you insist on transferring, there is a thread on WSO that I used as a guide--I think it was called, "Transfer friendly target schools." It will be extremely unlikely any target school will take you at this point, but if you're willing to apply to numerous schools, including some semi-targets, I'm sure you can find one that will take you.

 

One question at a time. But firstly, you should know this has been covered EXTENSIVELY on this website- use the search function and you will be able to read a LOT about potentially transferring, the costs and benefits.

1) Yes, transferring and getting a slightly lower GPA would be worth it. While you will probably get interviews if you have good EC's etc with a GPA of 3.5+, you need a 3.7+ for your given majors to be safely competitive, even at a target.

2) I don't think knowing Chinese fluently would give you an edge. Maybe an interesting talking point, but you're not going to use it in your day-to-day job as an IB analyst.

3) Your plan will take a long time, if you start in big 4 and do it that way. Probably 6 years at least (4 work, 2 school) before you could go to something like IB. There are slightly easier ways into b-school, in that you could get in to a top b-school even from something like audit, if your application is strong and well-rounded. However, without TAS/other IB-like or IB experience, you may even struggle a bit to get IB after.

Bottom line- ABSOLUTELY transfer if you have the opportunity and think your current school will make it unnecessarily hard to get to where you want to go. If you're going to a private university anyway, the cost probably won't be hugely different and the benefits will be huge.

 

The fact that you are thinking about this now means that you are probably way ahead of the curve compared to most people. I didn't consider IBD until late Sophomore year. Figure out who the alumni are in the industry and reach out to those people asking for advice and talk to them about their path. Also find out who the seniors are that had SA positions at BB banks and build a relationship with them as early as possible. The easiest way to get an interview is by having alumni vouch for you along the way. Most people will be more than willing to help and everyone wants kids from their alma mater to join their firm. Best of luck

 
Magneton:

If your end goal is IBD why don't you skip the accounting and go directly for IBD? Even a boutique experience will be better than TAS.

What is the competition like for boutiques? Could someone with my (expected) stats have a good shot at getting in? Also, is it common to move into a BB after experience at a boutique?

 

Yes. I made the mistake of thinking undergrad doesnt matter. It's most important for finance. Take easy classes, get a 3.8+ and transfer to the best school you can. Cornell ILR takes a lot of people as does NYU stern.

 
realestate101:

Yes. I made the mistake of thinking undergrad doesnt matter. It's most important for finance.
Take easy classes, get a 3.8+ and transfer to the best school you can. Cornell ILR takes a lot of people as does NYU stern.

As it so happens, I've been looking into both of those schools; however, I've heard that just about every finance major at NYU tries to get into IB. Do BB's only interview a certain number of people from each school, or will they interview everyone with certain stats?

 

As a random note, does anyone know how well MM's and boutiques are viewed by adcoms for B-School? I've heard that if you've worked at a BB, you can pretty much choose your school. How much harder is it if you didn't work at a BB?

 
Medawaffle:

As a random note, does anyone know how well MM's and boutiques are viewed by adcoms for B-School? I've heard that if you've worked at a BB, you can pretty much choose your school. How much harder is it if you didn't work at a BB?

Don't get entitled. A BB doesn't give you a "choose your school" leeway, simply because there are so many other BB analysts trying to get spots at these top schools too. Will it be easier than coming in from a no-name boutique or an Ancient Greek Literature major? Probably. Will it be easier than coming from Laz or Evcore? Not significantly. And for the record, some of these non-BBs are damn badass, so don't get stuck on the prestige.
Currently: future neurologist, current psychotherapist Previously: investor relations (top consulting firm), M&A consulting (Big 4), M&A banking (MM)
 

Are you seriously thinking about b-school and transferring before even entering a college? Chill out. It is better to transfer definitely, but first go to the college and get awesome grades there. It does little to talk about it on this board. Everyone knows that superb grades at a target are better than superb grades at a semi-target. Also, give your school a fair shot. Don't enter the place knowing you will transfer. That year will be miserable.

 

If you want to do IB, I would view it as counterproductive to apply to masters programs for science/engineering. Also, you should certainly consider American schools, especially given your stellar performance at U of T. FYI- Harvard and Princeton do not take transfer students, well that's not entirely true, Harvard takes transfers from Deep Springs and Deep Spring only. If you want to stay in Canada post-uni, transfer to Ivey. I wouldn't worry about your high school transcript.

 
turtles:
If you want to do IB, I would view it as counterproductive to apply to masters programs for science/engineering. Also, you should certainly consider American schools, especially given your stellar performance at U of T. FYI- Harvard and Princeton do not take transfer students, well that's not entirely true, Harvard takes transfers from Deep Springs and Deep Spring only. If you want to stay in Canada post-uni, transfer to Ivey. I wouldn't worry about your high school transcript.

Would Management Science be counterproductive? I was always under the impression that it placed well in banking especially areas that was quant heavy. Or is it only true for the undergraduate program.

 

Ivey's good enough if you can get in.

Zarathustra:
I'm currently eyeing HYPS/Wharton/Haas/Cornell/Duke/Columbia/MIT. I'm not sure about any other schools though or if they would be better than Ivey as Ivey seems to have a pretty good placement track record.

Keep in mind that as an international transfer, you're not eligible for any kind of financial aid. If you're ok with spending 60,000-65,000/year on undergrad, then go ahead. Otherwise, stick to Ivey. It has fantastic placement.

 
seedy underbelly:
Keep in mind that as an international transfer, you're not eligible for any kind of financial aid. If you're ok with spending 60,000-65,000/year on undergrad, then go ahead. Otherwise, stick to Ivey. It has fantastic placement.
Excellent point
 
seedy underbelly:
Ivey's good enough if you can get in.
Zarathustra:
I'm currently eyeing HYPS/Wharton/Haas/Cornell/Duke/Columbia/MIT. I'm not sure about any other schools though or if they would be better than Ivey as Ivey seems to have a pretty good placement track record.

Keep in mind that as an international transfer, you're not eligible for any kind of financial aid. If you're ok with spending 60,000-65,000/year on undergrad, then go ahead. Otherwise, stick to Ivey. It has fantastic placement.

I'm not worried about student debt, I have a rather large scholarship fund that can be used towards American schools too.

 

Harvard - This year's transfer admission figures (2011):

Applied: 1500+ Admitted: 12 Admitted 0.8%:

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/transfer-students/1098136-official-…

^ That's a discussion by this year's transfer applicants to Harvard. Go to post # 464.

Harvard - Last year's transfer admission figures (2010):

Collegeboard:
Applied: 600+ Admitted: 13 Admitted 1.9%:

http://collegesearch.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeI…


Admission to Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Columbia, Duke - type schools as a transfer, and ESPECIALLY as an international transfer, is next to impossible. Don't waste your time unless you're the next Einstein.


ivoteforthatguy:
P is notoriously stingy with junior transfers, for whatever reason.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Princeton hasn't had a transfer program for almost 8 years now. They don't even CONSIDER applications from transfers.

 
seedy underbelly:
Harvard - This year's transfer admission figures (2011):
Applied: 1500+ Admitted: 12 Admitted 0.8%:

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/transfer-students/1098136-official-…

^ That's a discussion by this year's transfer applicants to Harvard. Go to post # 464.

Harvard - Last year's transfer admission figures (2010):

Collegeboard:
Applied: 600+ Admitted: 13 Admitted 1.9%:

http://collegesearch.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeI…


Admission to Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Columbia, Duke - type schools as a transfer, and ESPECIALLY as an international transfer, is next to impossible. Don't waste your time unless you're the next Einstein.


ivoteforthatguy:
P is notoriously stingy with junior transfers, for whatever reason.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Princeton hasn't had a transfer program for almost 8 years now. They don't even CONSIDER applications from transfers.

Well that explains it. I NEVER met a transfer the whole time I was there. I assumed they had one like the rest of the Ivies, but apparently not.

I have met some marginal people who got high GPAs from the semitargets who transferred to P and H however. This is many years back and it looks like it got more competitive since then.

 

Also, are the placement differences between Ivey and HYPS/Wharton significantly different to warrant a $40,000 tuition difference? Or is it possible to get that elusive Disney Strategic Consulting job/GS NY Analyst Job/McKinsey consulting job (consulting isn't necessarily a desired career path, just wondering) with Ivey and persistent networking?

In addition, thanks for all the suggestions/replies, I greatly appreciate it.

 

One thing that no one has mentioned is the OP's desire to work in media banking, specifically in SF/LA. Not sure if Stanford accepts transfers. UCB and UCLA are extremely picky with out of state students, let alone international students. I'd say both those schools are 80%+ in state students. You definitely have the grades/SAT to transfer to USC, not too difficult to transfer into there. USC also does OCR with some reputable banks in the area, so give it a look if you're interested.

 
rmahal:
One thing that no one has mentioned is the OP's desire to work in media banking, specifically in SF/LA. Not sure if Stanford accepts transfers. UCB and UCLA are extremely picky with out of state students, let alone international students. I'd say both those schools are 80%+ in state students. You definitely have the grades/SAT to transfer to USC, not too difficult to transfer into there. USC also does OCR with some reputable banks in the area, so give it a look if you're interested.

I know someone from UBC that was able to transfer to Stanford after his freshman year who did not have comparable academic credentials (~2200 SAT/3.75GPA) but did have a strong high school GPA (4.0/top5%). I'm hoping to be able to go down a similar path but it seems Ivey is my most likely school of the future.

 

have you thought about schools with 2-3 year business programs that you could "complete" duke, emory and michigan all come to mind clearly targets as well, plus it solves the why did you transfer issue nicely

 

I have looked at Duke but as a whole, American schools are vastly different from Canadian ones. There are certain requirements that seem strange to me as a Canadian applicant such as the Wharton's foreign language proficiency exams or Columbia's Core breadth requirements or the strict graduate-in-8-semesters-or-GTFO requirements.

I'm unsure of Emory and Michigan, I don't think I would be able to justify going to such schools (relatively unknown to my parents).

 

your question was so vague there's not much to tell you. i transferred from community college to ivy league. material taught at courses is much the same but the professors push you much harder by automatically assuming that you understand the material and by challenging you to think beyond just remembering facts that are taught in the class/book.

career centers/recruiting/alumni are INFINITELY better resources and alone worth the price of admission. you'll learn most everything you need on the job anyway

 

I've heard of the car brand--nah just kidding. Checking the employee information of Bridgewater Associates, I've first came across the name Bentley University. The guy later got a MBA business schools">M7 MBA I think. It seems to me that kids like us who don't go to target schools mostly need to get a MBA business schools">M7 MBA to make a breakthrough later in our career. But there's no need if you are a rockstar.

Sorry for hijacking your thread. How is UCLA economics? I think the school is great but not a lot of finance recruits from the east coast. I'm thinking about getting a high GPA and transfer to somewhere like Columbia in my sophomore year.

I know that diamonds mean money for this art, but that's not the shape of my heart.
 

Bentley has recently improved its placement in BB IB, ST positions. Class of '12 placed 6-8 IB analysts and at least 2 traders at BBs. And BBs are now recruiting IB analysts at Bentley, for the first time posting summer analyst positons on the undergraduate career website. Its extremely competitive however because there are of course less positions available for bentley students than other target schools.

Pretty much every student from Bentley '12 that wanted and worked hard enough to get into investment banking has found a position, whether in the BB bracket or MM.

 

Since you're in the Midwest - IU Kelley, Northwestern, Michigan, UChicago. Others: NYU Stern, Penn, Cornell, Duke, UVA, UNC, Vanderbilt.

Stanford is not worth the application fee, you won't get in unless you have a non-traditional background.

MM IB -> Corporate Development -> Strategic Finance
 

I hate to say this, but transfer admission to a target or semi-target is extremely difficult, even with your stats. I highly, highly recommend that you read the following thread to understand how hard it is to transfer to a top 25 school. This thread includes the most recent transfer acceptance rates and explain some crucial details about the transfer process. http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/transfer-students/1362873-transfer-…

 

No offense, but I don't see why you're worrying about whether to transfer to a target. FYI, Target = UChicago, Penn (Wharton), and HYPSM. These schools accept less than 5% of transfers (on average), so there's virtually no way you'll get in (sorry, transfer admission is to top schools is just that competitive).

If you're aiming for colleges in the top 11-30 however, I think transferring would be a good option. Don't get me wrong, prestigious schools in that bracket, like Northwestern, Cornell, and Brown, still have extremely low transfer acceptance rates. The silver lining, however, is that top public targets (UMichigan, UVA, UC Berkeley, etc.) accept a fairly high number of transfer students. In fact some schools, like Vanderbilt and Notre Dame, accept a greater % of transfers than freshman.

Also, to address your new question, I think you should transfer if its financially feasible. Many private colleges don't give aid to transfers and public schools won't give aid unless you're in-state (in most cases). If your EFC is only 30k, transferring will probably increase your student debt significantly. If I were in your position though, I would definitely try to transfer. Five to ten students is a minuscule amount at MSU (or Wis/Iowa). Thus, you probably have a better chance of transferring to a semi-target than being admitted to that program.

 

I transferred from a state school to a target school. From what I understand:

Harvard, Yale, Stanford - ridiculously hard to get into. Princeton doesn't take transfer students. Penn (Wharton) is also very difficult. Columbia is difficult (~7%) but feasible. Penn (non-Wharton) is difficult but feasible as well (probably around same acceptance rate as Columbia). Dartmouth is very difficult (~3% if I recall correctly). Brown is need-aware - not really worth it unless you're rich. Cornell is also need-aware, and while it has a high acceptance rate, there are a lot of guarantee transfers and that skews the numbers. It's unclear how easy/hard it actually is to transfer in.

Schools of note include Vanderbilt (high acceptance rate) and Michigan (really high acceptance rate). Both are good for banking - but with your stats, put some safety schools and apply for the targets. Worst case scenario - you don't get in.

PM me if you have any other questions about the process.

 

Thanks!!! I'm going to be a sophomore in Sept. I should make that clear---I was mentioning both because I'm thinking of getting a job after getting a bachelor degree or applying to Mfin programs.

 

I just got into two Ivies (think Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown level) and G'town off the transfer. I will admit my stats were higher. I had a 4.0 in the fall, a 2250+ SAT, and I went to a well-known public university (semi-target) as well as a really good high school.

It's certainly possible to get in, but it might be a little harder. I would definitely apply because going to a better school will always help with recruiting. PM me and I'll give you more information.

 

1) Transfer after freshman year. Building your network requires being on campus to take classes, meet students, join clubs. If you transfer in as a Junior it will be a lot more difficult. I even got recruited my sophomore spring that put me on a short list for Junior summer (I'm a straight white male btw)

2) Get a 3.8+ or above. You can't transfer to a good target and not have a high GPA. You also won't get any interviews with a low GPA.

3) Tragedy isn't needed to get into the Ivy League/ top 15 schools. In fact, the majority of the student body at top schools comes from a pretty normal, privileged background. You need to be a dynamic, interesting person. Authenticity is what matter. Not a single transfer I know is here because the University felt bad for them — they deserved it. If you can't think of a good reason to transfer — or can't think of a good bullshit narrative — you won't have any success.

4)Northwestern, Georgetown, Cornell, UVa and Notre Dame are the easiest targets to transfer into.

5) Harvard, Yale, UChicago, Dartmouth, Stanford are the most difficult targets to transfer into

I don't care who your dad is
 
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Perhaps before posting a forum asking for people's advice - you should do some due dilligence to see if your question is actually plausible.

For example 1. Google: 'Does UVA accept junior year transfer students?' 2. Google: 'Does ANY college accept junior year transfer students?' 3. Google: 'Average GPA of UNC transfer students'

Finding answers to the above would literally take 2-3 minutes.

This is a valuable life lesson that translates directly to the workforce. Before asking your boss a question, first ask yourself "can I figure this out in less than 10 minutes by using the internet/other resources."

 
BatemanBatemanBateman:

Perhaps before posting a forum asking for people's advice - you should do some due dilligence to see if your question is actually plausible.

For example
1. Google: 'Does UVA accept junior year transfer students?'
2. Google: 'Does ANY college accept junior year transfer students?'
3. Google: 'Average GPA of UNC transfer students'

Finding answers to the above would literally take 2-3 minutes.

This is a valuable life lesson that translates directly to the workforce. Before asking your boss a question, first ask yourself "can I figure this out in less than 10 minutes by using the internet/other resources."

gold advice to not look stupid!

 

High school grades become basically irrelevant once you attain a college GPA, so don't worry TOO much about them. If you want to transfer to the "stars" as you call it, have a good GPA (check), show some involvement at your current college, and show interest in the schools that you want to transfer to.

P.S. I've heard that banks prefer a BS in Finance than a BA -- but that's just something I've heard.

 

Random collection of Canadian schools, the lifestyle of Alberta v. Toronto v. UBC are so different and I don't think you would be equally happy at all three. You also left out a bunch of schools that might fit what you're looking for. Take a look at Laurier, Waterloo, Ivey and Queens. Take time to figure out what you want from these schools before applying because a school that's great for one person might be the wrong thing for someone else.

 

Talk to your academic and transfer counselors at your school. They should be able to point you in the right direction. Also, speak to the transfer counselors at the various universities that you would like to apply to. I transferred (somewhat, it's complicated) through completing the requirements stated from the counselors from both schools and while using online resources. Sorry that I could not be of more help, but it the transfer process is different between schools, states, and countries. Good luck on transferring. P.S. create a ranking of your top universities, that should help you set a goal.

 

Different universities have very different requirements regarding to transferring... Email the admission office and ask them for more info. It is highly possible that you are going to start again from first year since you have not completed any "Intro to Econ/Accounting/Finance", "basics of math/calculus", etc..

 

Your GPA is fine, and if you're already at a solid school, you really shouldn't transfer—recruiting will start spring of sophomore year, and switching schools will disrupt that and won't even make that much of a difference considering recruiting for SA will be over by September/October at the latest. If you're unhappy, just graduate early and do something fun for those extra months.

The highest explicit cutoff I've seen is PJT with 3.6, everything else is lower.

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What range of schools are you in now? A 3.6 coupled with lackluster test scores and activities won't get you into any top 25 schools or any of the real targets either. To get into a top 25 school or a true target, you'd be looking at 3.8/3.9 range and competing with people who often times made it in the first round but chose not to go. Transfer admission acceptance rates are usually in the single digits for the better schools out there. Might want to stay where you are, network, and improve that GPA.

 

Is it worth transferring after next fall semester (my junior year) in the event I get GPA up to 3.9-4.0? Or bust my ass networking? Ideally, I would like to do IB or ER for 2 years at a BB and then go for HF or energy company (oil/natty gas)

 

Definitely transfer if you get into a much better school. After my frosh yr I had a 3.9 in chemical engineering and thought about transferring to a target and majoring in math/econ, but decided not to bc my school has a top ten chemE program. The end result was me graduating with a 3.4 gpa from a mediocre school and no finance exp. It's def one of the biggest regrets of my life. As I'm sure you're aware, the recruiting at non-targets for finance is embarrassingly awful. As far as potential schools you could transfer to, I'd suggest top state schools such as uva, umich, unc, ect, and maybe cornell.

 

You may want to consider the GPA downer that sometimes happens when people do transfer though. When transferring to a target, your GPA could fall given you're at a harder school.

You may consider getting your GPA even higher and studying for the GMAT to go to a top MSF immediately after your undergrad degree to get interviews with IBanks, funds, etc.

Something to think about.

 

You're in desperate need of advising haha.

UChicago and Duke are not going to look at you as "less attractive" for taking those courses. You will be more attractive as an applicant than those who have not taken those courses at all. The reason they don't accept intro to financial and intro to managerial is because they want you to take those courses at their campus; where they know you are getting the quality and standard of fundamental accounting they expect.

You definitely want to take both of those accounting courses for UVA McIntire. They're arguably the most important two classes McIntire will consider when reviewing your app. Also, having already taken it means you will have a breeze re-taking them if you end up at Duke/Chicago.

TL;DR: Take micro/macro econ as well as intro to financial & managerial accounting. Don't be a dumby and apply without them to some of the nation's finest undergrad business schools...

Edit: Your GPA is perfect as a transfer applicant paired with your SAT. I'd worry about which school is the best for what exactly you want to do and where you want to work postgrad. Good luck! (-from a fellow applicant to UVA)

 

transfer.. just imho

I don't accept sacrifices and I don't make them. ... If ever the pleasure of one has to be bought by the pain of the other, there better be no trade at all. A trade by which one gains and the other loses is a fraud.
 

Also, hate to throw in the last second curveball question. But I am pretty much guaranteed a job at a top 10 accounting firm in Manhattan upon graduation, regardless of what school i go to. So would graduating with a 4.0 from USF and working for a prestigious public accounting firm for a few years give my resume the boost I need to land a BB job?

Thanks!

 

Transferring is preferred because it puts you at a school where banks recruit on campus, thus giving you a far better chance at landing an internship than applying for positions from a non-target. In regards to the accounting job, the accounting job won't help you get into a bulge bracket job directly. The only way it would help in regards to BB investment banking is if it put you into a good business school.

 

On cost - Well if you get a MFE that's probably more expensive than 2 years of college right? Princeton's program, for example, is about 70k for 2 years.

On social network - do you care more about getting a job or going to parties? If you talking about professional social network... How much is your current network going to help you, really?

On schools - not sure about the others, but pretty sure that Cornell, NYU and Berkeley (if you want to work on the west coast) gets very good recruitment. Cornell is not too far from NYC, and needless to mention, NYU is in prime location and a lot of companies would do OCR there just because it's in NYC, let alone the fact that it's a good school as well. Notre Dame is good from what I understand, but it's more Chicago focused, but correct me if I'm wrong. If you're into banking (as opposed to S&T), UVA McIntire (not so much the college) gets decent recruitment as well. All the major BBs hire on campus. Don't know about Northwestern at all but I can't imagine it being bad.

I don't accept sacrifices and I don't make them. ... If ever the pleasure of one has to be bought by the pain of the other, there better be no trade at all. A trade by which one gains and the other loses is a fraud.
 

Just a couple notes - UNC is going to be a bitch to actually attend because you are a business major transferring as a junior. You can't transfer directly into Kenan-Flagler as a junior, you have to attend UNC for a semester and then apply. This will make graduating on time really hard.

Don't apply to Berkeley - that's 55k that could be better spent elsewhere. With all the shit the UC system is going through, you can find better choices.

You absolutely need to consider schools without business majors. The best schools don't have them for the most part.

You should be considering: Notre Dame (you would do econ here), Northwestern, UChicago, UNC, UVA (McIntire), Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Cornell, Duke, NYU, Columbia, and some others.

As someone who did the exact same thing you're considering, it's absolutely going to be worth it.

MM IB -> Corporate Development -> Strategic Finance
 

I transferred from a school like USF to NYU and it was the best decision I have ever made. Transferred sophomore spring, graduating a semester early, and working at a HF as an analyst doing trading in January...TRANSFER. Trust me, by senior year, parties will be lame, and you will be disappointed you didn't get to do what you actually wanted. Building a social life is tough, but do-able, and you'll be able to recruit with everyone. I wasn't even in Stern at NYU and got plenty of interviews, and my GPA was a good amount worse than yours. You need experience, and you aren't going to get that Tampa.

 

This is an extremely late comment but as I was just searching around on here reading posts about this topic, what did you decide on? I'm in the Tampa area as well with the same question regarding transferring or not.

 

I go to a non target as well. In my opinion, worry about building your network. Most likely if you transfer now, it will be hard to adapt. Most people will already have friend groups. It will also be hard to gain any leadership positions on campus. Just try to network within your school's alumni, it is your best bet. Ultimately you are the only who can make this decision. Hope I helped out.

 

Although it might seem appealing to transfer again for recruiting sakes, I am pretty sure employers will not be happy to see 3 different UG schools with 3 different gpa's on your resume.

They may have questions like: "Why did this person change between 3 different schools?" and "Will their assumed unhappiness cause them to jump ship from a potential job quickly?". And if you don't have a really good justification for that, other than "I did it to get into IB", then you may lose your chance.

Best bet is to stick it out and do a lot of networking with alumni and to attend any and all information sessions/ career fairs. Just my opinion, but all the best on whatever you decide to do.

 

I disagree... you do not need to put all three schools, just the school you obtained the degree from.

first, switch your major to finance ... much easier than switching schools. ... if you don't have any social reasons hlding you back then do it. but for the sake of the people you will be interviewing with, major in finance

 

To internal transfer from Penn's college to Penn's Wharton school, you need a 3.8. Coming from Villanova, you should be shooting for a 4.0 not a 3.7. But you don't need to go to a target to get into banking; you should try, but it is not like villanova is a back-water school, you can get into IBD from there. It will be a hell of a lot harder, and it will bust your balls, but it can be done. Plus, I know for a fact that Villanova has awesome looking girls, I've fucked several. Get bitches, fuck bitches, work hard, and then get your IBD job. Good luck bro.

 

I actually go to nova so I though I could chime in. I would say the Villanova name hasn't helped or hurt during interviews. It's a semi-target at best. There are however quite a few very successful nova grads on wallstreet so the contacts are there but you have to find them yourself. Talk to some smart juniors or seniors and they'll tell you how its done. Keep your grades up and you'll have no trouble getting at least a handful of interviews at respectable firms.

And on the London thing, DO IT! I did it and it was without a doubt the best few months of my life. The internship was alright, looks very good on paper, but the real reason to go is for the experience. Drinking with your mates every night of the week after classes or after getting off work, and talking with some local chaps is way more than you could ever expect as a second semester freshman at any school.

I say go to nova, work hard first semester, play hard second, keep the grades decent and just network like crazy. The connections are there to be made at nova. good luck with it. And remember these will be the best years of your life, don't just put the head down and study, enjoy it too.

 

I went to London this past semester, if "thepuh" went, there is a very good chance we know each other very well. We're #7 now, still not target, but talking with seniors, it's apparent that opportunities are here. If you're Ivy material, why not shine here, rather than get lost in the crowd at wharton? Seniors have gotten offers from Goldman, JPMorgan, Credit Suisse, UBS, BMO etc. Most of the bigger firms only recruit for mid/back office, but that's to the entire student body. Networking at Nova is great, and Nova alum on the street are feverish to build their school's repetoir. Everyone I've talked to has been helpful in facsilitating opportunity.

-wow1wow
 

Well I don't know your test scores, but schools rather close to home that are GREAT west coast "targets" would be something along the likes of Stanford, Cal Berkeley, CalTech (if you're feeling "quant-y"), UCLA, USC. I'd guess those are probably the best schools out there to consider, primarily Stanford, UCLA, Berkeley I'd imagine being the top 3 in Cali. Again, look into the GPA and average test scores for those schools; you'd be surprised how much more difficult it is to transfer to these "target schools" as opposed to having just started out there. Don't be discouraged, it's just a lot more difficult. I'd tell you to look at class profiles and see what students there have or what previous transfers have grade-wise and score wise. Again, you were a bit vague on the details you provided so just look into those types of schools and see what they require and look for. Good luck!

 

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