Tell me about Yale SOM
I'm very intrigued by Yale SOM and would like to hear people's thoughts on this. From what I've gathered, the following are the pros and cons of yale som. Please no trolling-serious responses only.
Pros
1. Dean Snyder has done an amazing job of reviving the school.
2. The new building opening in December 2013 is amazing.
3. Very well integrated with Yale University.
4. Small tight-knit class, not competitive.
5. Different from other b-schools in that it's not predominantly a finance/consulting school-serves a niche in this regard.
6. Excellent faculty.
Cons
1. Very young school and a small weak alumni base.
2. Mediocre job placement at top finance and consulting firms.
3. Seen by Yale as its "ugly stepsister."
4. No social respect, prestige, or status. If you're hoping to impress people with your MBA degree, Yale SOM is not the right school for you.
My girlfriend's brother went there for his MBA and had no issue getting a position (summer and FT) in ER. People say there is a stigma about it, but it's still well regarded overall. Plus, you get access to the #1 college golf course in the country: The Course at Yale
Thought Stanford had #1 college golf course
Golfweek ranks Yale top college course 2010 & 2011. Stanford may have won 2012, but not sure.
I remember reading a really really informative post on SOM not too long ago. The guy's ID was YaleSOM-something.
I've seen these "cons" thrown around on here before, with some comparing the SOM to Harvard's Extension School, etc.... I really don't think it's quite that bad. I am pretty sure a Yale MBA will open a few more doors than many other programs, and I think the program will continue to move up the ranks in the future.
I can tell you that the building will likely not be done "on time." Yale likes to snap their fingers to make changes, but it doesn't always work like that. Inside info says Spring 2014, but we'll see. Just sayin'.
The building will be incredible though, and Yale is making a ton of improvements all around/buying more of New Haven. My opinion is that things are looking up for the SOM.
Comparing yale som to harvard extension is ridiculous. I think the more appropriate analogy would be harvard kennedy school of government: a very good respectable program but not awe inspiring like the business school or the college.
Very disappointed that the new building won't be done on time.
Yale's integrated curriculum looks both intense and interesting.
I agree with your comparison. I could end up being wrong about the building, and I hope I am, but that's just how it's looking at the moment. Tons of scope revisions, etc. but architect is top notch and if everything else goes smoothly from here on out it will be open by the target date. Just wanted to throw that out there because I have seen a few people on here who seem to be factoring in the new building pretty heavily.
Full Disclosure: I completely agree about the integrated curriculum, and a joint degree with the Forestry school is my personal goal. Hope it all works out for you.
Yale's general Alumni network is second to none.
That's irrelevant since it's the b-school alumni network that you're paying for.
Full disclosure - I'm a student at SOM in the midst of IB recruiting but you see a lot of Yale College and Yale Law alumni at the corporate receptions who have an interest in bringing on as many Yale people as possible.
The notion that it's frowned down upon couldn't be further from the truth. Once you're here you are family.
If this is really true, then that's a positive aspect of yale som. I'm still dubious on the yale brand helping SOM students that much, but nonetheless it's a good sign that yale ug and law alums are willing to help out som students.
I know at other ivies such as harvard/penn/columbia, there is a strict line of demarcation between the mba students and the people in other programs, such as law/policy/med, etc.
Brady, why can't you stop with the whole "they're treated like the retards on campus" thing? It simply isn't true.
That's generally true for most other Ivies - but definitely ask any Yalies you know and there's definitely a one university culture. The general vibe is that we are all in this together and you definitely feel included on campus and off.
I was at the Harvard x Yale game today and sitting in front of us were Yale College kids who were impressed that we were at SOM.
At the end of the day here are my two cents: SOM has a distinct culture and some of the stereotypes are definitely true. However, on a per capita basis you will place much easier for IB than some of he higher ranked schools by virtue of being a core school and having much mess competition. Pretty much every BB aside from BAML and DB consider SOM to be a target school and those are the result of political reasons which I am not at the liberty to discuss. It's definitely not for everybody but if you want consulting or IB you could definitely do much worse.
You could tell people you went to Yale.
Welcome back Brady! I heard through the grapevine that Yale SOM guys don't ooze mad swagger like their HBS counterparts.
What exactly has Dean Snyder done?
Mostly raising money, hiring much needed faculty and staff, improving career services, etc.
People have been saying the same things about Yale SOM every year for ages. It has yet to materialize.
It's a program that will reliably get you from point A to B, the way a Stern or Haas will, and what those programs offer in terms of location, I think Yale offers in terms of layman name recognition and an academically relaxed experience (apparently no real grades there).
For general b-school rundowns, I have yet to see anything that outdoes Alex Chu's Car Analogy for the Top 16 plus INSEAD/LBS.
So safe to say that a yale som degree will get you a decent job that pays the bills but won't transform your professional trajectory the way a M7 degree would. Sounds about right.
Usually the employment statistics are a good place to start to see how the student body "leans"
http://mba.yale.edu/MBA/careers/employment/salary.shtml
Also the hiring organizations should give you some info on who goes where.
There is, you know, that whole Yale thing.
Let's not get too carried away with school name. The people at harvard education school or divinity school get to tell people that they go to harvard and wear harvard shirts, but they are not on the same level as college/law/business/med. I'm not comparing those programs to yale som per se, but the fact that the b-school is part of yale has little tangible benefit to students and alums.
I agree with Brady. Just because you go to Harvard or Yale doesn't mean you automatically ooze swagger. It crucially depends on which particular school within Harvard or Yale that you're in, which determines exactly how much swagger you will ooze.
you guys do realize this was a reference to American Psycho, not yale's brand name, right?
december 2013=open for spring 2014 fyi
and yes read the big yale som thread with SOM guy on it. yale is a solid school and is obviously very good for IBD and non profit
LOL if this is Brady...
It's a great option for those who get dinged at HBS 3 times.
Wow. Just saw the U.S. News rankings, and Yale is #10. Seems really high.
Yale has been climbing up the USN rankings pretty quickly ever since Snyder took over. They're certainly pouring resources into the program. That said, they're not going to be on HWS level in the timeframe you'll attend. That means you won't have the same recruiting access as you would at the aforementioned schools, though there is a POSSIBILITY that 20 years down the road, YSOM MBA could carry similar weight. You can decide how important that is to you.
No, they managed to reach NYU and scratch the 10th spot before Snyder arrived. They did that by making a concerted effort to raise their average GMAT and lower their admissions rate.
Why don't you ask your sources? Aren't they 'reliable'?
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/comment/reply/165918/826742
^I realized. Hilarious line.
Also, about Yale SOM -> people seem to really like it. That said, the brand name doesn't get you far in the world of finance.
its great for IBD but not for PE/HF/IM, if y ou want that then you generally need elite 8 although haas also has some decent placement
It's a great school. I know alums at the IB I work at who are very good at what they do
I would argue that the social respect thing entirely depends on the circle you are talking about. I would completely agree that you don't get the same respect as the other Ivy b-schools (except maybe Cornell) in consulting and finance, but the degree will hold weight in other areas. For example, if you are going into retail, which doesn't have a deluge of MBAs, people will respect the Yale name. Probably more so than peer ranked schools such as Michigan or NYU. Or what if you want to go into government or government contracting? The Yale MBA will certainly give you more credibility then higher ranked schools such as Darden or Duke. Also, the term social respect has many meanings. If you want to throw around the name brand amongst your average joe, it will hold a lot of weight too.
I am definitely not arguing that Yale is better then top schools, as I don't believe it is. However, the Yale name will give you a lot of social respect in certain circumstances. I would sum it up as this: the Yale MBA brand will suit you well if you are going into a field where people generally don't track MBA rankings or reputation, which is a great portion of US businesses overall.
Yes. There are people at SOM that turned down HBS. There are people at SOM that turned down Harvard Law and Harvard Kennedy. Just facts.
I am at SOM also, I am sure someone can pick up who I am, but I just came in to say, some of the post in here are just dumb. And I am going to the #1 or #2 BB on the Street, depending on what rank you want to use. If you want real info on SOM, message me. Is SOM the best school? Nah. Can it get you the same job that any of the other schools on earth can? Yes.
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