Pages

8/8/11

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675

London riots getting REALLY out of hand. Not sure if it gets any coverage over there, but basically ethnic minorities but native born are going crazy in town.

The gunshot started it, but the sentiment is caused by poverty and resentment.

T

Comments (249)

Best Response
8/8/11

Yes, protesting does work.

The Tea Party is pretty damn grass roots and has influenced budget cuts and the debt ceiling. You need to realize that just because a protest doesn't cause something to be done, doesnt mean it failed.

It also doesn't mean the protesters values are shared by all.

The UK is what I like to call a Nanny State. There is no reason for the poor to bitch about anything since their entire existence is subsidized by working people. I feel the same way in the USA and we don't give the poor half what is giving in the UK.

Also, this is about destruction and stealing. These people are robbing stores, burning buildings and hurting innocent people. When you cross that line your movement loses all moral authority.

I am sorry, what is happening in the UK is disgusting and nothing more than a parent letting a spoiled child out of control. Break out the dogs, the riot police and the stun guns and put these criminals down and send them to jail for a long as time. Weakness in the face of violence always fails.

The WSO Advantage - Land Your Dream Job

Financial Modeling Training

IB Templates, M&A, LBO, Valuation.

Wall St. Interview Secrets Revealed

30,000+ sold & REAL questions.

Resume Help from Finance Pros

Land More Interviews.

Find Your Mentor

Realistic Mock Interviews.

8/8/11

there's some unreal shit going on there right now but of course idiots are burning down local businesses and other pointless shit. really surprised something like this hasnt happened in the US in reaction to the past few years events

8/8/11

Dude, this crap is happening all over the USA. Has nothing to do with the recession. Open fire and put them down. Real simple solution. How you allow a mob of people to burn buildings, endangering people all around, without using lethal or almost lethal force is beyond me.

8/8/11

Yah, poverty caused it. Sorry that rich people dont just hand over their wealth because you think life is unfair.

I am sure poor immigrants who come to the USA will be doing this. Oh wait, no, they will just go to college or work hard to improve their lives. Opps.

8/8/11

dont get me wrong, i dont believe in redistribution of wealth at all, My main fear is that 2011 isn't 2008 again, but 1929, because 1929 started a real shitstorm called ww2...

Criteria 1: a once great nation let down by its old guard leadership elects a minority party because the majority parties have failed them....

How many countries fit that description right now?

Blame it on an ethnic minority? Pending....

In reply to trazer985
8/8/11
trazer985:

dont get me wrong, i dont believe in redistribution of wealth at all, My main fear is that 2011 isn't 2008 again, but 1929, because 1929 started a real shitstorm called ww2...

Criteria 1: a once great nation let down by its old guard leadership elects a minority party because the majority parties have failed them....

How many countries fit that description right now?

Blame it on an ethnic minority? Pending....

It's pretty eerie. Add on the recent Congress ridiculousness which makes people lose complete faith in the power of a vote and what else do they have to turn to?

In reply to TNA
8/8/11
ANT:

Dude, this crap is happening all over the USA. Has nothing to do with the recession. Open fire and put them down. Real simple solution. How you allow a mob of people to burn buildings, endangering people all around, without using lethal or almost lethal force is beyond me.

This is not happening in the US at the scale as it currently is in London.

8/8/11

The riot you are referencing is because a father got shot. I don't know the full details, nor do I give a shit. Someone gets killed and you loot and riot? Yeah, that makes sense.

A nation that allows shit like this to happen is a nation that invites more of it to happen. This is not a peaceful protest or demonstration. It is completely destructive and harmful. Dispatch the military and make anyone caught in these riots serve hard jail time. Send a message that this will not be tolerated.
http://imgur.com/KVvgW

Yeah, this guy looks like he is oppressed and rioting out of poverty and oppression.

Lock and load people.

In reply to whatwhatwhat
8/8/11
whatwhatwhat:
ANT:

Dude, this crap is happening all over the USA. Has nothing to do with the recession. Open fire and put them down. Real simple solution. How you allow a mob of people to burn buildings, endangering people all around, without using lethal or almost lethal force is beyond me.

This is not happening in the US at the scale as it currently is in London.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-647754

Ummm yes it is, just nothing burnt yet. I also do not think the police in the US would tolerate this bullshit.

8/8/11

That is the lamest riot police I've ever seen.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

In reply to TNA
8/8/11
ANT:
whatwhatwhat:
ANT:

Dude, this crap is happening all over the USA. Has nothing to do with the recession. Open fire and put them down. Real simple solution. How you allow a mob of people to burn buildings, endangering people all around, without using lethal or almost lethal force is beyond me.

This is not happening in the US at the scale as it currently is in London.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-647754

Ummm yes it is, just nothing burnt yet. I also do not think the police in the US would tolerate this bullshit.

It's really not the same thing and I think a good portion of the reason is the point that we both agree on that the US would not tolerate any of it.

The riot you are referencing is because a father got shot. I don't know the full details, nor do I give a shit. Someone gets killed and you loot and riot? Yeah, that makes sense.

This is how people react when they've lost all hope in systems that they were supposed to trust.

8/8/11

Oh really? You are upset about a father being shot and you decide to rob and steal?

When you lose faith you protest. You sit in. You march. You do not burn, riot and loot and harm innocent people. That is what criminals do. And how did they lose hope?

"The disturbances were preceded by the fatal shooting of 29-year-old Mark Duggan by police on 4 August 2011 during a planned arrest in which one officer was injured.[14] Friends and relatives of Duggan, an alleged cocaine dealer and member of the 'Star Gang', stated that he was unarmed.[13] The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) stated that a non-police-issue handgun was later recovered at the scene.[15]

Wow, so they dont deny he was a gang member and a coke dealer, just that he was unarmed.

Let me see. Cops killed a scumbag and the people rise up and destroy shit because they are angry at the system that doesn't help drug dealers and gang members excel in life.

Yeah right.

8/8/11

Lock and load. Light a few of these criminals up and they will disperse.

In reply to TNA
8/8/11
ANT:

When you lose faith you protest. You sit in. You march.

Tell me how well that's been working here.

8/8/11

Small update for you all before I go to bed:

Rioting has spread to the next 3 largest towns in England, and has also spread to the richer neighbourhoods in London. Lots of stuff on fire, and the police are massing (1700 of them) but have not done anything significant as of yet.

This is completely surreal, never seen anything like this at all.

Tomorrow will be interesting indeed.

8/8/11

Working where dude? What are you talking about?

The cops shot a suspected drug dealer and gang member. The whole story has not come out. I haven't seen anyone deny him being in a gang or dealing drugs, just that he was unarmed.

So let me get this straight. The cops kill a criminal and that gives people the right to go ape shit? The UK provides far more services and entitlements than the US does. Please tell me what basis these people have to go nuts and destroy towns.

Free healthcare, welfare, low cost, subsidize college. What else do they want.

These people are flat out criminals. Nothing else. This is not Egypt, this is not Syria, this is a bunch of spoiled babies destroying a nation that takes care of them.

Makes me sick.

8/8/11

I think the very fact that we are even having a argument over "when is it an ok time to protest" goes to show how shitty the world has got and how close we really are to falling back into another recession (or depression depending on how pessimistic you are)

8/8/11

Um yeah dude.

It is ok to protest whenever you want. It is not ok to riot and loot. How you can read these comments and take away the message that it is not ok to protest is beyond me. What is happening is criminal, not civil.

8/8/11

I like ANT's argument. They are scum, rioting in response to other scum being killed.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

8/8/11

Long story short:

Man is well-respected in community. Man is a criminal. Man shoots police officer in chest (whose life is saved by lucky placement of radio). Man is shot by police officer's buddies. Retards riot.

"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." -IlliniProgrammer
"Your grammar made me wish I'd been aborted." -happypantsmcgee

8/8/11

I didn't mention anything about entitlements, not sure where you got that from. Please get off your soapbox. I asked you if you thought protesting here (I'm assuming you're from the US) has been effective. Have protests against bailouts, raising the debt ceiling, health care reform, or any other recent issues done a single thing so far? I completely agree that people should be addressing things in a more peaceful manner but feel that when events like this occur that there needs to be a strong look at the various systems that people place their trust in. You aren't going to have a reaction like this if it's a one-off situation and people are otherwise content with their situations. When people have lost hope (like in the police protecting them), are in desperate situations, and basically have nothing to lose, a normally passed over situation like a police shooting will serve as a catalyst for an event like this.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, there are absolute scumbag opportunists using situations like this just to cause shit by looting and whatever the fuck but the initial reaction to the shooting is what I'm primarily addressing. Crowd mentality will always take over and this is a perfect example of that.

8/8/11

Its just like Katrina, the 77 NYC blackout, and everything. People are pissed about something and ract to their violent tendencies. They try to mask it by putting it under the guise of protest. "America doesn't care about black people", "America isn't doing enough for the poor" now its "The UK isn't giving us free money". Fucking shoot the lowlifes and put em in prison and/or traction.

Reality hits you hard, bro...

In reply to TNA
8/8/11
ANT:

Um yeah dude.

It is ok to protest whenever you want. It is not ok to riot and loot. How you can read these comments and take away the message that it is not ok to protest is beyond me. What is happening is criminal, not civil.

What are you talking about this was obviously not an ok time to protest. One old man gets shot and everyone flies off the handle. Yeah that makes sense.

And I agree protesting does change things. Looting and pointlessly burning shit does not. It only pisses people off and causes an even bigger divide in an already uneasy society.

8/8/11
In reply to TNA
8/8/11
ANT:

Yes, protesting does work.

The Tea Party is pretty damn grass roots and has influenced budget cuts and the debt ceiling.

The Tea Party STARTED OUT grassroots and was quickly taken over by outside interests. The minimal budget cuts and debt ceiling compromises they have influenced are a drop in the bucket. However, the hardline, no compromise attitude that was shown through these recent debates does nothing to help their constituents. I definitely side with their ideals more than other parties but I am fully able to recognize that the political process works on compromise and that an attitude that places ideology before results will not have a great outcome.

You need to realize that just because a protest doesn't cause something to be done, doesnt mean it failed.

Wow, yay, awareness was raised through some pointless protest. People like to see results.

The UK is what I like to call a Nanny State. There is no reason for the poor to bitch about anything since their entire existence is subsidized by working people. I feel the same way in the USA and we don't give the poor half what is giving in the UK.

Entitlements are a trap and only serve as an attempt to pacify people in exchange for votes. The worst thing about entitlements is that people do not realize that they are the very thing that is holding them back. While their "entire existence" may be subsidized, it's hard for people living under such a system that the very "benefits" that they're receiving places a pretty large barrier on their social mobility.

Also, this is about destruction and stealing. These people are robbing stores, burning buildings and hurting innocent people. When you cross that line your movement loses all moral authority.

I am sorry, what is happening in the UK is disgusting and nothing more than a parent letting a spoiled child out of control. Break out the dogs, the riot police and the stun guns and put these criminals down and send them to jail for a long as time. Weakness in the face of violence always fails.

I don't see where I disagreed with any of this. What I'm saying is that while a situation like this needs to be dealt with swiftly and effectively, saying "well these people are savages, throw them in jail or shoot them and all will be solved" and not taking a good look at the underlying root of the problem will only cause future riots to be even worse. These types of things do not happen without existing social and economic problems and I think it's important to not overlook them. That's all I'm saying.

In reply to TNA
8/8/11
ANT:

Oh really? You are upset about a father being shot and you decide to rob and steal?

When you lose faith you protest. You sit in. You march. You do not burn, riot and loot and harm innocent people. That is what criminals do. And how did they lose hope?

"The disturbances were preceded by the fatal shooting of 29-year-old Mark Duggan by police on 4 August 2011 during a planned arrest in which one officer was injured.[14] Friends and relatives of Duggan, an alleged cocaine dealer and member of the 'Star Gang', stated that he was unarmed.[13] The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) stated that a non-police-issue handgun was later recovered at the scene.[15]

Wow, so they dont deny he was a gang member and a coke dealer, just that he was unarmed.

Let me see. Cops killed a scumbag and the people rise up and destroy shit because they are angry at the system that doesn't help drug dealers and gang members excel in life.

Yeah right.

Thats the youth in London today, I'm afraid.

8/8/11

This article just gives you a general recap of the latest riots in london:
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1035994-...

But one quote inside I thought pretty much summed up why these people are in the streets:

"It's just stupid. It's just kids messing around," said one witness who asked not to be named. "There's just nothing for them to do."

In reply to TNA
8/8/11
ANT:

Yah, poverty caused it. Sorry that rich people dont just hand over their wealth because you think life is unfair.

I am sure poor immigrants who come to the USA will be doing this. Oh wait, no, they will just go to college or work hard to improve their lives. Opps.

You're such a douchebag I can't believe they still let you post on this forum. God you suck.

8/8/11

Coming from someone who has actually lived in London I can say that these scumbag kids have always been a pain in the ass and the US has NOTHING to compare to it. They are largely Black/Pakistani youth gangs who literally do nothing all day but hang out on street corners yelling at people and protecting their "hood". Their "hood" ironically are council run housing projects that these assholes live in for free. Its nausea inducing. They are destroying neighborhoods that the government has poured money into to give these people a chance, if they want to destroy it then fine, you are on your own now.

It has gotten to the point where I literally don't care if they just gunned these people down. Also, don't let the BBC tell you otherwise, these kids are basically all black.

Britain has gone so soft they won't even allow water cannons. People are not even allowed to defend themselves without fear of getting charges brought against them. I am not a big fan of guns, but this riot is destroying huge parts of one of the worlds greatest cities, gun the bastards down.

In reply to Babyj18777
8/8/11
Babyj18777:
ANT:

Yah, poverty caused it. Sorry that rich people dont just hand over their wealth because you think life is unfair.

I am sure poor immigrants who come to the USA will be doing this. Oh wait, no, they will just go to college or work hard to improve their lives. Opps.

You're such a douchebag I can't believe they still let you post on this forum. God you suck.

He is fucking Balbasur, a legend.

In reply to awm55
8/8/11
awm55:

Coming from someone who has actually lived in London I can say that these scumbag kids have always been a pain in the ass and the US has NOTHING to compare to it. They are largely Black/Pakistani youth gangs who literally do nothing all day but hang out on street corners yelling at people and protecting their "hood". Their "hood" ironically are council run housing projects that these assholes live in for free. Its nausea inducing. They are destroying neighborhoods that the government has poured money into to give these people a chance, if they want to destroy it then fine, you are on your own now.

It has gotten to the point where I literally don't care if they just gunned these people down. Also, don't let the BBC tell you otherwise, these kids are basically all black.

Britain has gone so soft they won't even allow water cannons. People are not even allowed to defend themselves without fear of getting charges brought against them. I am not a big fan of guns, but this riot is destroying huge parts of one of the worlds greatest cities, gun the bastards down.

Whoa. For once we agree on something.

In reply to Babyj18777
8/8/11
Babyj18777:
ANT:

Yah, poverty caused it. Sorry that rich people dont just hand over their wealth because you think life is unfair.

I am sure poor immigrants who come to the USA will be doing this. Oh wait, no, they will just go to college or work hard to improve their lives. Opps.

You're such a douchebag I can't believe they still let you post on this forum. God you suck.

Wow, what an intelligent rebuke. I am obviously dealing with a mental titan.

Go shake the sand out of your vagina and then come back and post.

Goooodddddd you suckkkkkk

In reply to TNA
8/8/11
ANT:
awm55:

Coming from someone who has actually lived in London I can say that these scumbag kids have always been a pain in the ass and the US has NOTHING to compare to it. They are largely Black/Pakistani youth gangs who literally do nothing all day but hang out on street corners yelling at people and protecting their "hood". Their "hood" ironically are council run housing projects that these assholes live in for free. Its nausea inducing. They are destroying neighborhoods that the government has poured money into to give these people a chance, if they want to destroy it then fine, you are on your own now.

It has gotten to the point where I literally don't care if they just gunned these people down. Also, don't let the BBC tell you otherwise, these kids are basically all black.

Britain has gone so soft they won't even allow water cannons. People are not even allowed to defend themselves without fear of getting charges brought against them. I am not a big fan of guns, but this riot is destroying huge parts of one of the worlds greatest cities, gun the bastards down.

Whoa. For once we agree on something.

awm is one of the few more liberal commenters on here who has common sense. I like his often decent and polite arguments. It's not FUCKING TEABAGGERS!?@!?$%^$%^#%@#%

Reality hits you hard, bro...

In reply to TNA
8/8/11
ANT:
awm55:

Coming from someone who has actually lived in London I can say that these scumbag kids have always been a pain in the ass and the US has NOTHING to compare to it. They are largely Black/Pakistani youth gangs who literally do nothing all day but hang out on street corners yelling at people and protecting their "hood". Their "hood" ironically are council run housing projects that these assholes live in for free. Its nausea inducing. They are destroying neighborhoods that the government has poured money into to give these people a chance, if they want to destroy it then fine, you are on your own now.

It has gotten to the point where I literally don't care if they just gunned these people down. Also, don't let the BBC tell you otherwise, these kids are basically all black.

Britain has gone so soft they won't even allow water cannons. People are not even allowed to defend themselves without fear of getting charges brought against them. I am not a big fan of guns, but this riot is destroying huge parts of one of the worlds greatest cities, gun the bastards down.

Whoa. For once we agree on something.

ANT, I rarely feel so strong on an issue as I do right now. As someone who has seen how these scumbags behave on a daily basis I have never seen behavior like it in the states, nothing even close. They are completely and utterly devoid of any respect for authority, and they indiscriminately terrorize people with absolutely no repercussions. This happens every day, let alone when they are burning their neighborhoods to the ground. These kids are feral and need to be taken down, and if lethal force needs to be applied then I support the police's decision to use it 100%.

In reply to awm55
8/8/11
awm55:

Coming from someone who has actually lived in London I can say that these scumbag kids have always been a pain in the ass and the US has NOTHING to compare to it. They are largely Black/Pakistani youth gangs who literally do nothing all day but hang out on street corners yelling at people and protecting their "hood". Their "hood" ironically are council run housing projects that these assholes live in for free. Its nausea inducing. They are destroying neighborhoods that the government has poured money into to give these people a chance, if they want to destroy it then fine, you are on your own now.

It has gotten to the point where I literally don't care if they just gunned these people down. Also, don't let the BBC tell you otherwise, these kids are basically all black.

Britain has gone so soft they won't even allow water cannons. People are not even allowed to defend themselves without fear of getting charges brought against them. I am not a big fan of guns, but this riot is destroying huge parts of one of the worlds greatest cities, gun the bastards down.

AWM, did someone hijack your account? I don't believe you wrote this! Nevertheless, I absolutely agree.

8/8/11

Booyah.

AWM, do you realize that if someone walked into this post, unknowing the history of our posts, you would be considered far righter wing than me. Hahah.

Dow down 6.6% and now this. End of the world times lol.

But yeah, these kids are dirt bags. The UK needs to put this down and fast.

In reply to txjustin
8/8/11
txjustin:
awm55:

Coming from someone who has actually lived in London I can say that these scumbag kids have always been a pain in the ass and the US has NOTHING to compare to it. They are largely Black/Pakistani youth gangs who literally do nothing all day but hang out on street corners yelling at people and protecting their "hood". Their "hood" ironically are council run housing projects that these assholes live in for free. Its nausea inducing. They are destroying neighborhoods that the government has poured money into to give these people a chance, if they want to destroy it then fine, you are on your own now.

It has gotten to the point where I literally don't care if they just gunned these people down. Also, don't let the BBC tell you otherwise, these kids are basically all black.

Britain has gone so soft they won't even allow water cannons. People are not even allowed to defend themselves without fear of getting charges brought against them. I am not a big fan of guns, but this riot is destroying huge parts of one of the worlds greatest cities, gun the bastards down.

AWM, did someone hijack your account? I don't believe you wrote this! Nevertheless, I absolutely agree.

No, Britain and the US are very different in this regard. My views on matters such as this differ greatly when we speak about them with regards to the UK.

In reply to TNA
8/8/11
ANT:

Booyah.

AWM, do you realize that if someone walked into this post, unknowing the history of our posts, you would be considered far righter wing than me. Hahah.

Dow down 6.6% and now this. End of the world times lol.

But yeah, these kids are dirt bags. The UK needs to put this down and fast.

Actually no, many of my mates in London who are as liberal as they come are fully in support of gunning them down. They are burning shops to the ground when families are living upstairs, it is insane.

In reply to awm55
8/8/11
awm55:

Coming from someone who has actually lived in London I can say that these scumbag kids have always been a pain in the ass and the US has NOTHING to compare to it. They are largely Black/Pakistani youth gangs who literally do nothing all day but hang out on street corners yelling at people and protecting their "hood". Their "hood" ironically are council run housing projects that these assholes live in for free. Its nausea inducing. They are destroying neighborhoods that the government has poured money into to give these people a chance, if they want to destroy it then fine, you are on your own now.

It has gotten to the point where I literally don't care if they just gunned these people down. Also, don't let the BBC tell you otherwise, these kids are basically all black.

Britain has gone so soft they won't even allow water cannons. People are not even allowed to defend themselves without fear of getting charges brought against them. I am not a big fan of guns, but this riot is destroying huge parts of one of the worlds greatest cities, gun the bastards down.

Completely agree. They're 90% black. Oddly enough, I didnt see a single Pakistani out there so perhaps your experiences were different to mine. As I was getting out of work today, I saw a group of about 50 teenagers, all black running past me, with balaclavas on, heading towards the nearest electrical goods store. To my surprise, following them was a group of middle-aged black women, screaming about wanting a new 'sat-nav'. To anyone who says, the kids have nothing to do, I seriously would like to beat the shit out of them. The biggest cop-out you will ever hear.

8/8/11

THis is precisely what happens when you disarm the citizens. Fuck that, come take my guns, please.

8/8/11

Our Home Secretary, Theresa May, won't allow any force to be used by the police. Covering their asses after the student riots earlier this year and the fact that this whole episode started on the back of a random dude being killed by police.

I love how our leaders, David Cameron and the mayor of London, Boris Johnson, are having to be persuaded to abandon holidays and attend the mess that London is at the moment.

In reply to txjustin
8/8/11
txjustin:

THis is precisely what happens when you disarm the citizens. Fuck that, come take my guns, please.

Honestly, I am starting to agree with you.

In reply to awm55
8/8/11
awm55:
txjustin:

THis is precisely what happens when you disarm the citizens. Fuck that, come take my guns, please.

Honestly, I am starting to agree with you.

SB for caving. (joking) lol

Reality hits you hard, bro...

In reply to FinancialNoviceII
8/8/11
FinancialNoviceII:

Our Home Secretary, Theresa May, won't allow any force to be used by the police. Covering their asses after the student riots earlier this year and the fact that this whole episode started on the back of a random dude being killed by police.

I love how our leaders, David Cameron and the mayor of London, Boris Johnson, are having to be persuaded to abandon holidays and attend the mess that London is at the moment.

Theresa May shouldn't have gotten out of bed. Completely useless woman who uses empty rhetoric. "its totally unacceptable, I repeat, it wont be tolerated" GREAT BITCH DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

8/8/11
8/8/11

How the UK can just let this happen is beyond me. I think the entire country would be perfectly fine with some police action.

How ungrateful can people be. I mean the UK hooks these guys up, yet they are still pissed.

In reply to whatwhatwhat
8/8/11
whatwhatwhat:

Entitlements are a trap and only serve as an attempt to pacify people in exchange for votes. The worst thing about entitlements is that people do not realize that they are the very thing that is holding them back. While their "entire existence" may be subsidized, it's hard for people living under such a system that the very "benefits" that they're receiving places a pretty large barrier on their social mobility.

Social mobility?! You're shitting me right? Acting like mindless thugs is considered social mobility? So they're allowed to express themselves by causing damage to people's livelihoods?

Dude, these people are stupid enough to attack their local job centres, that actually provide those very benefits you mention, all in the name of liberty and justice, and you claim its their social mobility. Give me a break.

In reply to awm55
8/8/11
awm55:
FinancialNoviceII:

Our Home Secretary, Theresa May, won't allow any force to be used by the police. Covering their asses after the student riots earlier this year and the fact that this whole episode started on the back of a random dude being killed by police.

I love how our leaders, David Cameron and the mayor of London, Boris Johnson, are having to be persuaded to abandon holidays and attend the mess that London is at the moment.

Theresa May shouldn't have gotten out of bed. Completely useless woman who uses empty rhetoric. "its totally unacceptable, I repeat, it wont be tolerated" GREAT BITCH DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

We lack decisive action, us Brits.

In reply to txjustin
8/8/11
txjustin:

THis is precisely what happens when you disarm the citizens. Fuck that, come take my guns, please.

With the gangster culture that is prevalent within boroughs in London, I shudder to think what the situation would be if having firearms was the norm.

In reply to FinancialNoviceII
8/8/11
FinancialNoviceII:
txjustin:

THis is precisely what happens when you disarm the citizens. Fuck that, come take my guns, please.

With the gangster culture that is prevalent within boroughs in London, I shudder to think what the situation would be if having firearms was the norm.

You can get guns in bad areas easy. Let's be real. I have been propositioned to buy a firearm in my high school parking lot.

Reality hits you hard, bro...

8/8/11

I will tell you what would happen. They would mostly kill themselves. Check out the Brady Campaign. It has stats on their site that basically says the #1 cause of death for black males is gunshot wounds.

In reply to MMBinNC
8/8/11
MMBinNC:
FinancialNoviceII:
txjustin:

THis is precisely what happens when you disarm the citizens. Fuck that, come take my guns, please.

With the gangster culture that is prevalent within boroughs in London, I shudder to think what the situation would be if having firearms was the norm.

You can get guns in bad areas easy. Let's be real. I have been propositioned to buy a firearm in my high school parking lot.

Yeah, I know. But to actually legalise it is whole another issue.

In reply to FinancialNoviceII
8/8/11
FinancialNoviceII:
txjustin:

THis is precisely what happens when you disarm the citizens. Fuck that, come take my guns, please.

With the gangster culture that is prevalent within boroughs in London, I shudder to think what the situation would be if having firearms was the norm.

I am a fairly moderate guy (as you know) but honestly this is something that goes far far beyond anything I could defend. These are mindless feral black (there, i said it) kids who have no semblance of right or wrong. If they killed each other off it would be for the better. The police need to use force.

In reply to FinancialNoviceII
8/8/11
FinancialNoviceII:
txjustin:

THis is precisely what happens when you disarm the citizens. Fuck that, come take my guns, please.

With the gangster culture that is prevalent within boroughs in London, I shudder to think what the situation would be if having firearms was the norm.

Hint hint, when you disarm the citizens you're only really disarming the law abiding citizens.

In reply to FinancialNoviceII
8/8/11
FinancialNoviceII:
whatwhatwhat:

Entitlements are a trap and only serve as an attempt to pacify people in exchange for votes. The worst thing about entitlements is that people do not realize that they are the very thing that is holding them back. While their "entire existence" may be subsidized, it's hard for people living under such a system that the very "benefits" that they're receiving places a pretty large barrier on their social mobility.

Social mobility?! You're shitting me right? Acting like mindless thugs is considered social mobility? So they're allowed to express themselves by causing damage to people's livelihoods?

Dude, these people are stupid enough to attack their local job centres, that actually provide those very benefits you mention, all in the name of liberty and justice, and you claim its their social mobility. Give me a break.

Sorry, there should have been a "to realize" in there. That should have read:

While their "entire existence" may be subsidized, it's hard for people living under such a system to realize that the very "benefits" that they're receiving places a pretty large barrier on their social mobility.

Even with that typo, I'm not sure where you got from that post that "riots = social mobility." I'm merely pointing out that dependence on entitlements may provide basic living but once people grow dependent on them it's hard to leave them behind.

Job centers are a good idea in theory but when entitlements provide for you from the cradle to the grave there is absolutely no incentive to find meaningful employment.

8/8/11

Looters are finding ways to justify their actions. They feel they can rationalise it by targeting big corporations. There is a sense that the companies have lots of money, while they have very little. This illogical belief is the bedrock of whats going on. All the big electrical stores are being broken into. Not to mention the latest must have gangster gear in the local sports shop.

I cant believe the actual damage they are doing to an already stumbling economy. Larger stores in Oxford Street are closed tomorrow morning. The London underground is rumoured to be closed for most of the day, causing massive upheaval for commuters to work. I'm working from home tomorrow but I'm sure most people dont have that luxury.

In reply to txjustin
8/8/11
txjustin:
FinancialNoviceII:
txjustin:

THis is precisely what happens when you disarm the citizens. Fuck that, come take my guns, please.

With the gangster culture that is prevalent within boroughs in London, I shudder to think what the situation would be if having firearms was the norm.

Hint hint, when you disarm the citizens you're only really disarming the law abiding citizens.

To be fair I don't think they are directly attacking pedestrians though I am sure many of these scumbags have in the past.

In reply to awm55
8/8/11
awm55:
txjustin:
FinancialNoviceII:
txjustin:

THis is precisely what happens when you disarm the citizens. Fuck that, come take my guns, please.

With the gangster culture that is prevalent within boroughs in London, I shudder to think what the situation would be if having firearms was the norm.

Hint hint, when you disarm the citizens you're only really disarming the law abiding citizens.

To be fair I don't think they are directly attacking pedestrians though I am sure many of these scumbags have in the past.

Disclaimer: I am not that familiar on what's going on besides what's in this thread.

I take it these thugs are looting/destroying local owned businesses. If that happened here, the owners would let lead fly and fix the problem if the cops wouldn't.

In reply to FinancialNoviceII
8/8/11
FinancialNoviceII:

Looters are finding ways to justify their actions. They feel they can rationalise it by targeting big corporations. There is a sense that the companies have lots of money, while they have very little. This illogical belief is the bedrock of whats going on. All the big electrical stores are being broken into. Not to mention the latest must have gangster gear in the local sports shop.

I cant believe the actual damage they are doing to an already stumbling economy. Larger stores in Oxford Street are closed tomorrow morning. The London underground is rumoured to be closed for most of the day, causing massive upheaval for commuters to work. I'm working from home tomorrow but I'm sure most people dont have that luxury.

I don't think they are smart enough to even think at that level. They want to smash shit up, disobey authority, and steal shit. That is it. They aren't protesting anything, this is not backed by some ideological belief. They are just feral shit bags.

In reply to txjustin
8/8/11
txjustin:
awm55:
txjustin:
FinancialNoviceII:
txjustin:

THis is precisely what happens when you disarm the citizens. Fuck that, come take my guns, please.

With the gangster culture that is prevalent within boroughs in London, I shudder to think what the situation would be if having firearms was the norm.

Hint hint, when you disarm the citizens you're only really disarming the law abiding citizens.

To be fair I don't think they are directly attacking pedestrians though I am sure many of these scumbags have in the past.

Disclaimer: I am not that familiar on what's going on besides what's in this thread.

I take it these thugs are looting/destroying local owned businesses. If that happened here, the owners would let lead fly and fix the problem if the cops wouldn't.

100% agree, it would never have gotten to this point in the states.

The WSO Advantage - Land Your Dream Job

Financial Modeling Training

IB Templates, M&A, LBO, Valuation.

Wall St. Interview Secrets Revealed

30,000+ sold & REAL questions.

Resume Help from Finance Pros

Land More Interviews.

Find Your Mentor

Realistic Mock Interviews.

8/8/11

To the Englanders here, this really is sad.

In reply to awm55
8/8/11
awm55:
FinancialNoviceII:

Looters are finding ways to justify their actions. They feel they can rationalise it by targeting big corporations. There is a sense that the companies have lots of money, while they have very little. This illogical belief is the bedrock of whats going on. All the big electrical stores are being broken into. Not to mention the latest must have gangster gear in the local sports shop.

I cant believe the actual damage they are doing to an already stumbling economy. Larger stores in Oxford Street are closed tomorrow morning. The London underground is rumoured to be closed for most of the day, causing massive upheaval for commuters to work. I'm working from home tomorrow but I'm sure most people dont have that luxury.

I don't think they are smart enough to even think at that level. They want to smash shit up, disobey authority, and steal shit. That is it. They aren't protesting anything, this is not backed by some ideological belief. They are just feral shit bags.

Exactly my point. I am tired of the media and all these worthless psychologists trying to justify their actions as something else besides moronic opportunistic people, with fuck all going for them so lets bring others to our level.

8/8/11

Some people are just born losers - no amount of teaching, mentoring, public spending or otherwise can change that. Please spare me the garbage about how youth centres would change that.

8/8/11
In reply to FinancialNoviceII
8/8/11
FinancialNoviceII:

Some people are just born losers - no amount of teaching, mentoring, public spending or otherwise can change that. Please spare me the garbage about how youth centres would change that.

I agree, if you have a mentality where you burn your neighborhood to the ground, loot stores, and destroy peoples livelihood I doubt a youth center with a play station and table tennis is going to help. Its moronic to even suggest that.

In reply to awm55
8/8/11
awm55:
txjustin:
awm55:
txjustin:
FinancialNoviceII:
txjustin:

THis is precisely what happens when you disarm the citizens. Fuck that, come take my guns, please.

With the gangster culture that is prevalent within boroughs in London, I shudder to think what the situation would be if having firearms was the norm.

Hint hint, when you disarm the citizens you're only really disarming the law abiding citizens.

To be fair I don't think they are directly attacking pedestrians though I am sure many of these scumbags have in the past.

Disclaimer: I am not that familiar on what's going on besides what's in this thread.

I take it these thugs are looting/destroying local owned businesses. If that happened here, the owners would let lead fly and fix the problem if the cops wouldn't.

100% agree, it would never have gotten to this point in the states.

And that's why I envy you guys.

In reply to FinancialNoviceII
8/8/11
FinancialNoviceII:
awm55:
txjustin:
awm55:
txjustin:
FinancialNoviceII:
txjustin:

THis is precisely what happens when you disarm the citizens. Fuck that, come take my guns, please.

With the gangster culture that is prevalent within boroughs in London, I shudder to think what the situation would be if having firearms was the norm.

Hint hint, when you disarm the citizens you're only really disarming the law abiding citizens.

To be fair I don't think they are directly attacking pedestrians though I am sure many of these scumbags have in the past.

Disclaimer: I am not that familiar on what's going on besides what's in this thread.

I take it these thugs are looting/destroying local owned businesses. If that happened here, the owners would let lead fly and fix the problem if the cops wouldn't.

100% agree, it would never have gotten to this point in the states.

And that's why I envy you guys.

The reason I feel so strongly about this is because I love London. Its an amazing city that is plagued by politicians ignoring the inherent problems with housing 3rd world immigrants for free and giving them benefits until they die. London needs a one strike you are out policy like NYC, it has gone on for far too long.

8/8/11

How did NYC figure out socialism didn't work? (I consider awm's example a part of socialism) They had to pretty much go bankrupt in 1977. Hopefully London can wise up before that.

Reality hits you hard, bro...

8/8/11

This is a horrible thing to say but thankfully every area that is getting damaged is already a shit hole. If they decided to hit up Mayfair or Kensington shit would go down!

8/8/11

I don't know man, it might not of gotten to the point it is in the UK, but we have flash mobs and riots here also. This is a problem all over guys.

In reply to TNA
8/8/11
ANT:

I don't know man, it might not of gotten to the point it is in the UK, but we have flash mobs and riots here also. This is a problem all over guys.

When was the last time the US had feral kids charging the cops?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z09--zuktH8

8/8/11

Wait so did anyone explain why the UK cops are just standing there with their dicks in their hands? Is this a mind trick or something? Someone should tell them it's not working and they need to tear gas the fuckers and put them on a train to Mexico.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

In reply to Flake
8/8/11
Flake:

Wait so did anyone explain why the UK cops are just standing there with their dicks in their hands? Is this a mind trick or something? Someone should tell them it's not working and they need to tear gas the fuckers and put them on a train to Mexico.

They can't do anything. They have not been authorized to. They can try to control the crowds but they can't really use force unless someone attacks them first.

8/8/11

In those videos I noticed a lot of those retards throwing bats/sticks and chairs at the riot police. The officer just ran at the guy, stopped, then retreated. That doesn't justify as an attack, when someone throws furniture at you? Makes no sense...

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

In reply to Flake
8/8/11
Flake:

In those videos I noticed a lot of those retards throwing bats/sticks and chairs at the riot police. The officer just ran at the guy, stopped, then retreated. That doesn't justify as an attack, when someone throws furniture at you? Makes no sense...

Did you see them get charged? Its later in the video, they did not stand a chance.

In reply to awm55
8/8/11
awm55:
Flake:

Wait so did anyone explain why the UK cops are just standing there with their dicks in their hands? Is this a mind trick or something? Someone should tell them it's not working and they need to tear gas the fuckers and put them on a train to Mexico.

They can't do anything. They have not been authorized to. They can try to control the crowds but they can't really use force unless someone attacks them first.

Shit is unreal.

In reply to awm55
8/8/11
awm55:
Flake:

Wait so did anyone explain why the UK cops are just standing there with their dicks in their hands? Is this a mind trick or something? Someone should tell them it's not working and they need to tear gas the fuckers and put them on a train to Mexico.

They can't do anything. They have not been authorized to. They can try to control the crowds but they can't really use force unless someone attacks them first.

Shit is unreal.

8/8/11

Fucked up.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

8/8/11
8/8/11

Cryodon, Hackney and other parts of Greater London are seriously messed up. I'm surprised the government let this get so out of hand. These people need to be brought to justice.

In reply to awm55
8/8/11
awm55:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rbkzVkXuMY

gives me hope

Awesome. Why can't they all be that reasonable?

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

8/8/11

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1015033...

these people are the scum of the earth, there is nothing lower. kid bleeding in the street, they help him up then rob him.

how can someone have so few morals and a complete disregard for decency? these people are not human.

In reply to awm55
8/8/11
8/8/11

Lazy Londoners

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

8/8/11

If these dudes were rushing Parliament half of them would be dead by now instead of this hands off shit.

In reply to whatwhatwhat
8/9/11
whatwhatwhat:

If these dudes were rushing Parliament half of them would be dead by now instead of this hands off shit.

If they started seriously damaging wealthy areas the police would use much more force. If they want to destroy their own neighborhoods let them do it, but if they start damaging the world's most valuable real estate in Central London god help them.

In reply to awm55
8/9/11
awm55:
whatwhatwhat:

If these dudes were rushing Parliament half of them would be dead by now instead of this hands off shit.

If they started seriously damaging wealthy areas the police would use much more force. If they want to destroy their own neighborhoods let them do it, but if they start damaging the world's most valuable real estate in Central London god help them.

The problem with that is there are other people there who just want to live. Quite possibly one of the only good things that can come of this is that people who were more complacent with their situation are probably a bit more motivated to get the fuck up out of there.

In reply to whatwhatwhat
8/9/11
whatwhatwhat:
awm55:
whatwhatwhat:

If these dudes were rushing Parliament half of them would be dead by now instead of this hands off shit.

If they started seriously damaging wealthy areas the police would use much more force. If they want to destroy their own neighborhoods let them do it, but if they start damaging the world's most valuable real estate in Central London god help them.

The problem with that is there are other people there who just want to live. Quite possibly one of the only good things that can come of this is that people who were more complacent with their situation are probably a bit more motivated to get the fuck up out of there.

I agree, they need to do much more policing of council housed residents. If you fuck up and commit a crime, you are getting kicked the fuck out.

8/9/11

Sterilize them. Problem solved.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

8/9/11
awm55:
whatwhatwhat:
awm55:
whatwhatwhat:

If these dudes were rushing Parliament half of them would be dead by now instead of this hands off shit.

If they started seriously damaging wealthy areas the police would use much more force. If they want to destroy their own neighborhoods let them do it, but if they start damaging the world's most valuable real estate in Central London god help them.

The problem with that is there are other people there who just want to live. Quite possibly one of the only good things that can come of this is that people who were more complacent with their situation are probably a bit more motivated to get the fuck up out of there.

I agree, they need to do much more policing of council housed residents. If you fuck up and commit a crime, you are getting kicked the fuck out.

Agreed but if someone gets kicked out they're more than likely going to continue to commit crime and be a lot more desperate too.

Flake:

Sterilize them. Problem solved.

If these shitheads don't have the political will to actually properly tackle a riot, do you think there's an actual chance that something as controversial as sterilization will be brought up?

8/9/11

Yeaaaah but I can dream =/

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

In reply to whatwhatwhat
8/9/11
whatwhatwhat:
awm55:
whatwhatwhat:
awm55:
whatwhatwhat:

If these dudes were rushing Parliament half of them would be dead by now instead of this hands off shit.

If they started seriously damaging wealthy areas the police would use much more force. If they want to destroy their own neighborhoods let them do it, but if they start damaging the world's most valuable real estate in Central London god help them.

The problem with that is there are other people there who just want to live. Quite possibly one of the only good things that can come of this is that people who were more complacent with their situation are probably a bit more motivated to get the fuck up out of there.

I agree, they need to do much more policing of council housed residents. If you fuck up and commit a crime, you are getting kicked the fuck out.

Agreed but if someone gets kicked out they're more than likely going to continue to commit crime and be a lot more desperate too.

Flake:

Sterilize them. Problem solved.

If these shitheads don't have the political will to actually properly tackle a riot, do you think there's an actual chance that something as controversial as sterilization will be brought up?

It has worked in NYC perfectly.

In reply to txjustin
8/9/11

txjustin:
FinancialNoviceII:
txjustin:
THis is precisely what happens when you disarm the citizens. Fuck that, come take my guns, please.

With the gangster culture that is prevalent within boroughs in London, I shudder to think what the situation would be if having firearms was the norm.

Hint hint, when you disarm the citizens you're only really disarming the law abiding citizens.

Truer words have never been spoken txj, SB'd.

Bit off topic, but I can't wait to live next to an anti gun douchebag and slap one of these on his or her front door:

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis, you can't trust people Jeremy

In reply to TNA
8/9/11
ANT:

The riot you are referencing is because a father got shot. I don't know the full details, nor do I give a shit. Someone gets killed and you loot and riot? Yeah, that makes sense.

A nation that allows shit like this to happen is a nation that invites more of it to happen. This is not a peaceful protest or demonstration. It is completely destructive and harmful. Dispatch the military and make anyone caught in these riots serve hard jail time. Send a message that this will not be tolerated.
http://imgur.com/KVvgW

Yeah, this guy looks like he is oppressed and rioting out of poverty and oppression.

Lock and load people.

I agree. I'm sick of it, we need to call in the army (something which the politicians are very against, refusing to directly answer questions on the subject), it's pathetic that armoured police are getting overrun by 14-17 year olds.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is some form of vigilantism soon.

"After you work on Wall Street it's a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side." - David Tepper

In reply to happypantsmcgee
8/9/11
happypantsmcgee:

Lazy Londoners

Love this.

"After you work on Wall Street it's a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side." - David Tepper

8/9/11

Freaking entitlements. If these idiots didn't feel they were entitled to government money, they wouldn't be rioting right now. Freaking scum.

awm55:

It has gotten to the point where I literally don't care if they just gunned these people down. Also, don't let the BBC tell you otherwise, these kids are basically all black.

^ Not entirely true. I've spent 3 out of the past 7 years in London, and have noticed Eastern European immigrants engage in the greatest amount of the criminal activity that takes place there. The Eastern European gangs are amongst the most violent too.

I agree. I'm sick of it, we need to call in the army (something which the politicians are very against, refusing to directly answer questions on the subject), it's pathetic that armoured police are getting overrun by 14-17 year olds.

Calling in the Army is way too extreme. It shows a complete and utter breakdown of the rule of law, something developed countries are absolutely frightened about. Plus, there's always a chance that the Army feels it's best for the job and just never returns to the barracks --> Coup; it's happened before.

In reply to oreos
8/9/11
Oreos:
ANT:

The riot you are referencing is because a father got shot. I don't know the full details, nor do I give a shit. Someone gets killed and you loot and riot? Yeah, that makes sense.

A nation that allows shit like this to happen is a nation that invites more of it to happen. This is not a peaceful protest or demonstration. It is completely destructive and harmful. Dispatch the military and make anyone caught in these riots serve hard jail time. Send a message that this will not be tolerated.
http://imgur.com/KVvgW

Yeah, this guy looks like he is oppressed and rioting out of poverty and oppression.

Lock and load people.

I agree. I'm sick of it, we need to call in the army (something which the politicians are very against, refusing to directly answer questions on the subject), it's pathetic that armoured police are getting overrun by 14-17 year olds.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is some form of vigilantism soon.

"Shop owners along Wood Green, Turnpike Lane and Green Lanes, the majority of which are of Kurdish or Turkish owned have formed local protection units following riots in Tottenham which have spilled over to Wood Green."
http://www.thelondondailynews.com/police-lose-cont...

absolutearbitrageur.blogspot.com

In reply to seedy underbelly
8/9/11
seedy underbelly:

Freaking entitlements. If these idiots didn't feel they were entitled to government money, they wouldn't be rioting right now. Freaking scum.

awm55:

It has gotten to the point where I literally don't care if they just gunned these people down. Also, don't let the BBC tell you otherwise, these kids are basically all black.

^ Not entirely true. I've spent 3 out of the past 7 years in London, and have noticed Eastern European immigrants engage in the greatest amount of the criminal activity that takes place there. The Eastern European gangs are amongst the most violent too.

I agree. I'm sick of it, we need to call in the army (something which the politicians are very against, refusing to directly answer questions on the subject), it's pathetic that armoured police are getting overrun by 14-17 year olds.

Calling in the Army is way too extreme. It shows a complete and utter breakdown of the rule of law, something developed countries are absolutely frightened about. Plus, there's always a chance that the Army feels it's best for the job and just never returns to the barracks --> Coup; it's happened before.

Sorry to say but there is a complete breakdown of the rule of law, kids are running free taking what they want. Coup, seriously? This isn't MENA (I know there's a certain irony in saying there's lawlessness but then claiming to be above MENA).

"After you work on Wall Street it's a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side." - David Tepper

8/9/11

Update from London for anyone concerned:

Last night we had 6,000 police in the capital. Since then, all police leave has been cancelled, and 16,000 police will be drafted in tonight. Use of the army and force by the police (water cannon/rubber bullets) has been ruled out but the Prime Minister (UK President ) has said everything will be done to stop the violence.

Parliament has been recalled for Thursday.

All prison cells in London are full.

Next stop, curfew and armed police.

In reply to trazer985
8/9/11
trazer985:

armed police.

Be interested to see how this is viewed by the public.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

In reply to trazer985
8/9/11
trazer985:

Update from London for anyone concerned:

Last night we had 6,000 police in the capital. Since then, all police leave has been cancelled, and 16,000 police will be drafted in tonight. Use of the army and force by the police (water cannon/rubber bullets) has been ruled out but the Prime Minister (UK President ) has said everything will be done to stop the violence.

Parliament has been recalled for Thursday.

All prison cells in London are full.

Next stop, curfew and armed police.

Curfew is never going to happen. And police armed with what? If water cannons and rubber bullets have been ruled out what is the step down? Super Soakers and paintball guns?

"After you work on Wall Street it's a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side." - David Tepper

8/9/11

I just can't see why we have used water cannons in Northern Ireland and against the student protesters, who bare in mind actually had something resembling a cause but not against these idiots.

Cameron, you lost your country about a year ago. You're not going to get re-elected, its OK for you to show some initiative, you never know where that may lead you.

Anyone read this?
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/193030.html

In reply to oreos
8/9/11
Oreos:
trazer985:

Update from London for anyone concerned:

Last night we had 6,000 police in the capital. Since then, all police leave has been cancelled, and 16,000 police will be drafted in tonight. Use of the army and force by the police (water cannon/rubber bullets) has been ruled out but the Prime Minister (UK President ) has said everything will be done to stop the violence.

Parliament has been recalled for Thursday.

All prison cells in London are full.

Next stop, curfew and armed police.

Curfew is never going to happen. And police armed with what? If water cannons and rubber bullets have been ruled out what is the step down? Super Soakers and paintball guns?

They're using armoured trucks - Jankels.

Its such a sorry state of affairs. Never have I been more ashamed to say I am British.

8/9/11

Labour leader's big idea - meet those affected. Genius.

8/9/11

Businesses who were attacked, only actually have 7 days to claim for looting damage or they receive nothing. 7 days.

8/9/11
8/9/11

Businesses affected will probably make more money out of the insurers than they would out of the stock, in the short term anyway. These regions don't even have a high street any more.

The newest low reached was the looting of a charity shop. Sickening.

8/9/11
FinancialNoviceII:

I just can't see why we have used water cannons in Northern Ireland and against the student protesters, who bare in mind actually had something resembling a cause but not against these idiots.

According to May, that isn't the "British way" of policing. The dumb ass needs to wake up. No one really considers her country a first world nation after this BS.

Cameron, you lost your country about a year ago. You're not going to get re-elected, its OK for you to show some initiative, you never know where that may lead you.

Cameron would actually be more forthright in dealing with these thugs if weren't for his Deputy PM, Lib-Dem Clegg.

Anyone read this?
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/193030.html

LOL. Iran needs to stfu.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024001/Fo...

This is the shocking moment a young man is apparently forced to hand over all of his clothes after appearing to be stripped naked during lawless riots overnight.
Internet rumours last night claimed that on top of the widespread destruction across London and Birmingham, people were having their clothes removed by looters as police attempted to contain the criminality.

^ lowest of the low?

In reply to FinancialNoviceII
8/9/11
FinancialNoviceII:

I just can't see why we have used water cannons in Northern Ireland and against the student protesters, who bare in mind actually had something resembling a cause but not against these idiots.

Cameron, you lost your country about a year ago. You're not going to get re-elected, its OK for you to show some initiative, you never know where that may lead you.

Anyone read this?
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/193030.html

My question is: Why is he wearing a wool hat? I thought it was hot in Iran.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

In reply to FinancialNoviceII
8/9/11
FinancialNoviceII:
Oreos:
trazer985:

Update from London for anyone concerned:

Last night we had 6,000 police in the capital. Since then, all police leave has been cancelled, and 16,000 police will be drafted in tonight. Use of the army and force by the police (water cannon/rubber bullets) has been ruled out but the Prime Minister (UK President ) has said everything will be done to stop the violence.

Parliament has been recalled for Thursday.

All prison cells in London are full.

Next stop, curfew and armed police.

Curfew is never going to happen. And police armed with what? If water cannons and rubber bullets have been ruled out what is the step down? Super Soakers and paintball guns?

They're using armoured trucks - Jankels.

Its such a sorry state of affairs. Never have I been more ashamed to say I am British.

Yup ashamed to be British too. But the trucks aren't enough in my opinion, the degenerates merely run from them and start in another area. The only value they add is that it gives the police, which I personally think need to man up and take some hints from how the police from yesteryear used to deal with riots, the confidence to move towards these people with conviction.

"After you work on Wall Street it's a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side." - David Tepper

8/9/11

Fucking ridiculous, anyone rioting should be sent to prison and after they get out, they also shouldn't be allowed to claim benefits. Please use water cannons on these pricks, I have family living close to the riots who are shit scared with young children. Wankers the lot of them, retarded youths who fuck up in life and will never amount to anything other than being fucked up faggots

8/9/11

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

Apparently people who own local shops are "rich", again fucking retards hope they all get burnt to death in a fire they started

8/9/11

Gun them the fuck down, I am dead serious.

8/9/11

^^^man, we agree. I can't believe how much I've agreed with you lately AWM.

8/9/11

the sad thing is that it's escalated to a point where people are probably going to be dying out there only because of this stupid hands off policy. rioters definitely need to be dealt with and made an example of after things settle down but the police and government absolutely need to reevaluate their policies towards these types of events. shit is sickening.

8/9/11

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

they are doing it to show rich people they do what they want

8/9/11
blastoise:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

they are doing it to show rich people they do what they want

Heyzeus Christ, I hope the shit-headed youth here don't get inspired by this shit.

8/9/11

I have lived in the UK for 5 years and one of the first things I noticed when I moved there is how soft the British were. This low life scum-bag teenage street culture is pervasive throughout the UK, everyone hates them but no one will stand up to them because they travel in packs and often carry knives. These are the same shit heads who would harass me every fucking time I walked home at night, these are the same shit heads who beat my female housemate for her cell phone, these are the same shit heads who stabbed a rival gang member outside our building and left him to die in the street. What I found astounding is we lived in a private flat on the edge of a huge council estate across the street from fucking Regents Park, one of the nicest public parks in the world. These ass-hats have the nerve to commit crime and harass people after the government houses them for free in one of the nicest areas of London. It got so bad that the people who lived in the park in these bad boys
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&cp=13&gs_id=1b&...

had to hire private security guards so the feral teenagers who live behind them didn't bang up their Bentley's.
These people are scum, rarely do I wish someone to die in a fire but I really truly hate them.

8/9/11

This is the result from what the British government has done with poor people.

Don't get me wrong: Not only the government is fault.

But how could you expect a good education or an ordinary attitude from these dumb assholes?..

The British government has never cared about the poverty and education system for poor families.

Let me get this straight: 0,01% protest to signalize the British government that it is about time to change the society. There are not only rich people, but also poor people. These poor people or upcoming children from poverty should be competitive on every job market.

99,99% protest to break every shop and to get goods they cannot afford normally.

I would never wonder if those shits happen in other European or Asian countries.

8/9/11

These guys should not be even named 'protesters', they are just criminals, the following video just shows what these guys are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWhjp_BKy8

Guy is just stumbling about and they rob him.

These people are pure scum of the earth, living off benefits and then try to 'get back' at the 'rich' who actually pay for those benefits.

8/9/11

Wait, wait, wait. Am I confused? It sounds like a bunch of liberals in this thread comlaining about entitlements and what they cause...

8/9/11

Kinda sounds like what Obama wants to do to those evil and mean millionaires and billionaires with their private jets.

In reply to txjustin
8/9/11
txjustin:

Wait, wait, wait. Am I confused? It sounds like a bunch of liberals in this thread comlaining about entitlements and what they cause...

Please don't turn it into one of these threads. The thuggish culture in the UK is very very different, the US has nothing in comparison. I would say that the UK does have a welfare system that is much closer to actual Socialism than the US does, until I see Obama actively wanting to emulate it with actual policy (not just out of context sound bites) I am not going to blame social unrest on him. This is why I often compare two different countries in my debates, when you see what actual pseudo-Socialism is like you realize that the US is far far from it.

Another thing to keep in mind is that London and other major British cities were leveled during WW2. Most of these hideous Soviet-esque council owned public housing projects were built to restore the housing stock in destroyed neighborhoods. Unfortunately the families and old people have long since left them and they are now inhabited by 1st/2nd generation Caribbean/African immigrants who literally show up on the shores and immediately get free housing and benefits. With them comes a shit load of crime, and the government of course cannot say that. Britain is still 92% white, and has only a 2% black population. London is about 10% black, yet:

"In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent and sexual crimes (including those subsequently acquitted) in 2009-10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; for gun crimes, 67 percent; and for sexual offences, 32 percent.

Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob, and snatching property. Black males accounted for 29 percent of the male victims of gun crime and 24 percent of the male victims of knife crime.[30] Similar statistics were recorded for females. On knife crime, 45 percent of suspected female perpetrators were black; for gun crime, 58 percent; and for robberies, 52 percent."

Its a black problem, lets not kid ourselves.

8/9/11

^^^wow, nice last sentence. Good luck.

8/9/11

For those in the states who don't understand the street "Chav' culture in the UK have a look here.
http://www.chavtowns.co.uk/

Its basically rants and reports of how these scum are investing most of once great Britain. The US does not have a culture where youth mindlessly terrorize pedestrians, its simply does not happen.

In reply to txjustin
8/9/11
txjustin:

^^^wow, nice last sentence. Good luck.

I have been telling you I am not as left wing as you think I am, you have not seen left wing until you go to the UK. The USA is far more to the right than I think you understand.

8/9/11

Because we have guns and cops with a set of balls.

In reply to awm55
8/9/11
awm55:
txjustin:

^^^wow, nice last sentence. Good luck.

I have been telling you I am not as left wing as you think I am, you have not seen left wing until you go to the UK. The USA is far more to the right than I think you understand.

I know you're a moderate. It's just I am far right fiscally. We disagree a bunch and I talk shit, but it's all in good fun.

8/9/11
8/9/11

^^^What the hell is that POS?

8/9/11

This just in:

"Qaddafi recognizes the British Rebels as the legitimate government of Britain"

In reply to cranium
8/9/11
cranium:

This just in:

"Qaddafi recognizes the British Rebels as the legitimate government of Britain"

Haha

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

8/9/11

"I did it for me...I liked it...I was good at it. And I was really... I was alive."

8/9/11

Rubber bullets finally authorised

8/9/11

Anyone notice a trend in the demographics of these thugs? It's kinda hard to ignore...

In reply to awm55
8/9/11
In reply to ragnar danneskjöld
8/9/11
ragnar danneskjold:
awm55:

Its basically rants and reports of how these scum are investing most of once great Britain. The US does not have a culture where youth mindlessly terrorize pedestrians, its simply does not happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4uvn8vOWr0
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/171638/20110629/ph...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_R1_afLRNo
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-06-06/news...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG5h3-CM3V4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA0gmdf2ZqI
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7375787n

...

If you have not experienced Chav culture you won't get it. They are everywhere, not just urban areas. They indiscriminately terrorize and intimidate pedestrians who are just going about their business. I have never once been yelled at or intimidated on the streets in the states, ever.

Those videos are of mass robberies by teenagers, the street culture in the UK is that of intimidation by council housed kids who literally have no respect for authority because Britain is too soft to do anything about it. There are areas of London where DHL refuses to deliver because these scumbag kids attack their drivers.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-1940606...

Trust me, the USA has its problems but I honestly think this pathetic thug culture that has developed in the UK is worse because it indiscriminately effects everyone.

In reply to seedy underbelly
8/9/11
seedy underbelly:

Anyone notice a trend in the demographics of these thugs? It's kinda hard to ignore...

They be black.

8/9/11

AWM, I can never get angry with our rants now lol.

In reply to TNA
8/9/11
ANT:

AWM, I can never get angry with our rants now lol.

I may be moderate but I am not PC. You have to be blind, retarded, or both to ignore the effect black crime has on cities. London is 10% black and they account for 60% of the violent crime, you cannot deny there is a deep cultural problem in those communities.

In reply to awm55
8/9/11
awm55:
ragnar danneskjold:
awm55:

Its basically rants and reports of how these scum are investing most of once great Britain. The US does not have a culture where youth mindlessly terrorize pedestrians, its simply does not happen.

...

If you have not experienced Chav culture you won't get it. They are everywhere, not just urban areas. They indiscriminately terrorize and intimidate pedestrians who are just going about their business. I have never once been yelled at or intimidated on the streets in the states, ever.

Those videos are of mass robberies by teenagers, the street culture in the UK is that of intimidation by council housed kids who literally have no respect for authority because Britain is too soft to do anything about it. There are areas of London where DHL refuses to deliver because these scumbag kids attack their drivers.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-1940606...

Trust me, the USA has its problems but I honestly think this pathetic thug culture that has developed in the UK is worse because it indiscriminately effects everyone.

I understand your point. Simply intended to show that similar activity exists, not to scale, but the seed has been planted...

8/9/11

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/86921...

go to 1:15, that is a council estate. those people are like cockroaches scurrying off home.

8/9/11

Further confirming the racially motivated nature of the London riots the Telegraph has an op-ed about the situation. If you lok at the figues they are staggering. Obviously a community and culturally based-problem more than anything.

Reality hits you hard, bro...

8/10/11

Why can't these fuckers be sent back to Africa? They can run around, shoot shit, steal, burn each others' huts, and fuck like rabbits.

I can't even agree with the word "culture" being thrown around. "Culturally based-problem", "side effects of a multi-cultural society". What fucking culture? There is no culture here, they are simply garbage, they are savages, and as someone pointed out, they are feral. They are a waste of human flesh.

I'll admit that I'm always vary of the few black friends that I do have. Not because they do dumb shit, but because I'm always cautious and I'm always wondering "what's the fucking catch here?". They didn't exactly come from great backgrounds either, but they somehow adapted. This is all because I see the majority of black people constantly turning everything around them into pure shit.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

In reply to Flake
8/10/11
Flake:

Why can't these fuckers be sent back to Africa? They can run around, shoot shit, steal, burn each others' huts, and fuck like rabbits.

I can't even agree with the word "culture" being thrown around. "Culturally based-problem", "side effects of a multi-cultural society". What fucking culture? There is no culture here, they are simply garbage, they are savages, and as someone pointed out, they are feral. They are a waste of human flesh.

I'll admit that I'm always vary of the few black friends that I do have. Not because they do dumb shit, but because I'm always cautious and I'm always wondering "what's the fucking catch here?". They didn't exactly come from great backgrounds either, but they somehow adapted. This is all because I see the majority of black people constantly turning everything around them into pure shit.

Most of them are East Indian (Caribbean).

Londoners are right to be fuming. The government won't fucking admit its the black communities problem. They will be called out as racist by the PC brigade and some lunatics will protest the Met for stating not so earth shattering statistics. In addition, the white kids involved in this crap are heavily influenced by Black gang culture, these people do not deserve to live in British society, and certainly do not deserve to be living off the tax payer.

I have no problem with multi-cultural societies so long as the cultures don't cultivate crime and feral youth. If London was a mixture of Indian, Australian, Canadian, American, Chinese, European, Sikhs, etc you would see the crime rate plummet. Black African/East Indian should simply not be allowed to immigrate to the UK, end of fucking story. They are abusing the taxpayer, their neighborhoods, and the government's soft position on youth crime. This is bullshit.

8/10/11

That would be nice awm...I wonder if we will reach a tipping point one of these days, where so many lines will be crossed by these criminals that something drastic will actually be done.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

In reply to awm55
8/10/11
awm55:

Most of them are East Indian (Caribbean).

I hope you mean West Indians?

For the record, I agree with everything you've said on this thread so far.

"So who lost the hundy?"

In reply to FinancialNoviceII
8/10/11
FinancialNoviceII:

I just can't see why we have used water cannons in Northern Ireland and against the student protesters, who bare in mind actually had something resembling a cause but not against these idiots.

Cameron, you lost your country about a year ago. You're not going to get re-elected, its OK for you to show some initiative, you never know where that may lead you.

Anyone read this?
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/193030.html

Iran is finally getting even with Britain over its constant criticism. What amazes me is every time I have been in Europe, there is some 'demonstration' on which rarely makes news. However, I have been in a few developing countries at times where there's meant to be fairly large demonstrations, haven't seen anything, yet it's apparently a revolution.

Too bad Bashar left London...?

8/10/11

By the way, I love those power-ranger suits the fat (reservist?) riot police are wearing.

8/10/11

There has been a breakdown in respect and responsibility. Too many young, "underprivileged" Britons feel they are entitled to an easy living. Nothing could be further from the truth. In the run-up to the GFC, maybe they could get away with that by living off debt. but not any more. In an increasingly service-based economy, if you want to get a job, you study and you work. There are plenty of initiatives to help children get a good education and to improve their lot, but they don't. When they see others doing well, a lot of these scumbags believe it's because they're being discriminated against.

What made Britain the empire it was was an industrious attitude and a belief in having a 'stiff upper lip'. When things get tough, you knuckle down and you graft. The mass immigration from the 70s had fractured this country and we're now living somewhere that has lost its national identity. Reuniting the country is separate from race- I don't give the tiniest shit what colour you are- it's about ensuring people start pulling in the same direction and trying to do better. The first step is integrating.

For what it's worth, I think benefits should be cut aggressively; national service should be reinstated; education should be made compulsory to 18 with streams of academic/vocational tracks; the police should not have to be frightened of acting.

This country is full of pussies and is running scared of a bunch of loutish teenagers. What the fuck is going on with that?!

In reply to Upper Left Quadrant
8/10/11
cheme-ib:
awm55:

Most of them are East Indian (Caribbean).

I hope you mean West Indians?

For the record, I agree with everything you've said on this thread so far.

I did, apologies.

In reply to London George
8/10/11
London George:

There has been a breakdown in respect and responsibility. Too many young, "underprivileged" Britons feel they are entitled to an easy living. Nothing could be further from the truth. In the run-up to the GFC, maybe they could get away with that by living off debt. but not any more. In an increasingly service-based economy, if you want to get a job, you study and you work. There are plenty of initiatives to help children get a good education and to improve their lot, but they don't. When they see others doing well, a lot of these scumbags believe it's because they're being discriminated against.

What made Britain the empire it was was an industrious attitude and a belief in having a 'stiff upper lip'. When things get tough, you knuckle down and you graft. The mass immigration from the 70s had fractured this country and we're now living somewhere that has lost its national identity. Reuniting the country is separate from race- I don't give the tiniest shit what colour you are- it's about ensuring people start pulling in the same direction and trying to do better. The first step is integrating.

For what it's worth, I think benefits should be cut aggressively; national service should be reinstated; education should be made compulsory to 18 with streams of academic/vocational tracks; the police should not have to be frightened of acting.

This country is full of pussies and is running scared of a bunch of loutish teenagers. What the fuck is going on with that?!

I agree, when I moved to the UK I was shocked that the biggest problems communities faced were scumbag kids in hoodies terrorizing people. I thought they were joking, but then I realized these kids are actually feared by the public. Its almost hysterical from the perspective of an American that adults are scared of kids.

In reply to awm55
8/10/11
awm55:
seedy underbelly:

Anyone notice a trend in the demographics of these thugs? It's kinda hard to ignore...

They be black.

Its that gang culture. Even they way they talk makes me want to slap them silly.

8/10/11

Terrible how they killed those Pakistani men in Birmingham. Four black guys in a stolen car went straight for them as they were protecting their mosques, temples and businesses in the area.

I really hope this isnt a tipping point and this riot turns into a Blacks vs Pakistanis brawl. That would have catastrophic implications. Birmingham is extremely volatile at the moment.

8/10/11

I can't believe some jackass wannabe gangster has caused the destruction of London. Its pitiful.

8/10/11

Did anyone see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP-CC0gsSU4

Makes me want to vomit. Apparently the young man in the video was on his way to grab some food to break his fast when a bunch of black youths attacked him and broke his jaw.

Then, as it shows, people helped him up only to rob him.

This is England right now. These are our citizens. This is our tomorrow.

8/10/11
8/10/11

There was also one genius woman, who worked at an electrical store. Having seen the store attacked, she proceed to join the looters and steal. Problem was she got caught, with her work uniform still on.

She was black.

In reply to FinancialNoviceII
8/10/11
FinancialNoviceII:

There was also one genius woman, who worked at an electrical store. Having seen the store attacked, she proceed to join the looters and steal. Problem was she got caught, with her work uniform still on.

She was black.

Darwin...if you're listening...HELP!!!!!

8/10/11

even though I like most cities, this makes me never want to live in one. Guess everything has its downsides.

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

8/10/11

"There was also one genius woman, who worked at an electrical store. Having seen the store attacked, she proceed to join the looters and steal. Problem was she got caught, with her work uniform still on.

She was black."

Plenty of Caucasian kids (and some adults, even) were involved in the looting as well.

In reply to seedy underbelly
8/10/11
seedy underbelly:

"There was also one genius woman, who worked at an electrical store. Having seen the store attacked, she proceed to join the looters and steal. Problem was she got caught, with her work uniform still on.

She was black."

Plenty of Caucasian kids (and some adults, even) were involved in the looting as well.

Never said there wasn't but this particular person was black, so I identified it as such.

8/10/11

Interesting that very few, if any, Asians were involved.

I guess strict parenting really is the key to keeping kids from turning into looters lol..

P.S: lol at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPdQCuc7CZo

In reply to seedy underbelly
8/10/11
seedy underbelly:

"There was also one genius woman, who worked at an electrical store. Having seen the store attacked, she proceed to join the looters and steal. Problem was she got caught, with her work uniform still on.

She was black."

Plenty of Caucasian kids (and som