I'm sure this will evoke some fairly strong responses from some in the forum but I ask out of genuine interest and curiosity. My primary question though is, what drives the gun culture in the US? I live in Canada where gun violence is relatively muted and we have fairly strict gun laws while still allowing gun ownership and I just wonder what it is about American culture that precludes any sort of common sense with regards to the gun debate? The fact that these tragedies keep occurring is terrible and I don't understand how people can continue rationalize American citizen's right to military-style weapons. What purpose could anyone have for a high-powered automatic or semi-automatic weapon? I get sport shooting could be fun and I understand people are into hunting but the weapons available are so far and above what's required for either of these activities.
I know the initial defense is the 2nd amendment and blah, blah blah but the fact is it was an amendment, it could not have been foreseen that these modern weapons would exist and guess what guys, the Brits aren't coming back. I don't understand the part of the American psyche that requires everyone to defend themselves. From what? Then one of the proposed solutions is always well if more good guys had guns then we could just revert to the wild west and the good guys could shoot all the bad guys but why have this sort of personal arms race where every citizen is looking to be more armed than the next? After that the pro-gun groups like to point to items like mental health or the media as items that need to be resolved to address gun violence but the fact is that these same factors are present in every other first world country, and none of them have a murder rate or gun violence anywhere close to America. How can people not intuitively make the connection that the only difference is the availability of guns? I've included a short article below outlining some statistics which I'm sure people are already aware of or will outright dismiss as "fake news" based on conclusion rather than content.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americas/us-gun-st…
I don't get it and I appreciate I'm not from the US so maybe I can't "get it" but any colour would be interesting. From an outsiders perspective though, while I generally strongly disagree with Trump on almost everything, I am naively hopeful that his irreverence to the traditional institutions of American governance could finally lead to someone telling the NRA to fck off and end its choke-hold on the American right. The NRA seems to have an astonishing amount of influence in America and hopefully this can be the catalyst to end that.
Had a longer, more concise post typed out but of course there was an error when I hit submit :-(
The "military-style" weapons you refer to is purely cosmetic. It might look like an M16 but it's apples and oranges apart.
You think the NRA is powerful? They have influence for sure but no more than the ENDLESS number of lobbyists all over DC.
Also, the weapons you refer to account for 2% of firearms deaths. Today kid shot (2) people on a college campus and nobody is screaming about it at all. Why? I don't know but it isn't headline grabbing when they verify the firearm used was a pistol.
Yeah, but don't you think it's notable that only two people were shot, because it was a handgun. It's very hard to kill a lot of people with just a handgun is the point I am trying to make.
Handguns account for something like 30x the amount of gun homicides in the U.S. as rifles of any kind account for (about 8,500 vs 200-250 per year). The obsession with rifles among the gun control advocacy is, frankly, absurd. If you proposed banning handguns that would at least be an intellectually defensible position.
No, it's not. It's no harder than it is with a single-shot AR15.
If you're going to hand-wring about guns, at least make an attempt to learn a thing or two about them first. Just having a knee-jerk emotional reaction to guns because they're scary and icky is hardly useful or correct.
Do you mean mass shootings? About 60 people in America die in mass shootings each year. About 2.6 million Americans die each year.
Since you're not an American I'll cut you a break, but if you were an American I would say this is just ridiculous. Automatic weapons have been effectively illegal since the 1980's and account for extraordinarily little gun crime in America. Semi-automatic weapons are basically every modern rifle or hand-gun produced in the last 100(?) years. All a semi-automatic weapon is is an automatic discharge of a spent round.
Look around the world. Despotism is the most common interaction between government and the citizenry. The right to keep and bear arms is the ultimate, last and final check on a government that would kill and starve its own people. Look no further than Venezuela to see a country where a despot was democratically elected. There is nothing about the DNA of Americans that makes us any less susceptible to electing our own despot.
Guns are often used in self-defense. They are most often not fired--they are used as a deterrent. Happens tens of thousands of times a year in the U.S.
The U.S. murder rate is 94th in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide…
The U.S. gun ownership rate is #1 in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_co…
You've bought into every gun lie that the Canadian state-controlled media has told you. The NRA isn't powerful because it's powerful. The NRA is powerful because people willing and freely pay money to join the NRA so that the NRA can advocate for gun rights. Those 5 million NRA members are not just going to go quietly into the night because a bunch of ignoramuses want it to happen.
Jesus christ, look at the 93 countries you're beating. Are you actually proud of that?
Also, we don't have state controlled media over here so not sure what you're talking about. The link I included was from CNN. The fact that the NRA has 5 million people shows how irrelevant its outdated views are. Fortunately for them they have 5 million of the loudest, most politically active people in the country. This is what makes them powerful. At some point though the other 318 million are going to reassert influence on policy from an increasingly unpopular minority.
The point is, there is a correlation, but it isn't necessarily a strong strong correlation, between gun ownership per capita and murder per capita. If the correlation was really strong, the U.S. would be near the top--not near the middle--of the murder rate statistics. In other words, there are other reasons the U.S. has a high murder rate relative to other countries. And the reason is actually not politically correct--the strongest correlation to gun violence is the # of African Americans in a state or city. America has a gun violence and murder problem--among the black community. There are serious cultural issues that are contributing to gun violence in America that can't be easily corrected through proposed gun regulations.
The CBC is a pretty influential state-owned propaganda machine. You've no doubt been hit with all kinds of state-financed propaganda against the American right, which is why you keep parroting obvious bullshit.
An organization of 5 million members makes it one of the largest advocacy groups in America. I'm not an NRA member but I support the NRA. It's not the NRA vs everyone else.
You clearly did not pass statistics.
Excellent, excellent post.
You got to realize that America was settled by the drifters, outlaws, strapping and harden men taming an untamed land. All those softies stayed in Europe wearing ruffles while John Smith and the Pilgrims tamed 40 ft waves crossing the Atlantic to get this party started.
I don't get why people compare the #1 country in the world to others and think that becoming more like the shittier countries is a good thing. We definitely don't have everything perfect, but we're doing better than everyone else.
Like people think socialism is a good thing already, it attracts all kinds of lazy nutsos. Even the goddamn head of the USSR knew it was a bad idea.
I concur. 1 Nana for common sense and realizing how lucky we are.
I don't have an argument, one way or the other, but I think one law that needs to pass immediately is raising the age from 18 to 21. Literally, your denying some the ability to buy or drink beer but not a gun. Hell, you can't even rent a car at 18, but you can buy an AR-15. It's insane.
Most murders are committed with hand guns, which are already 21+.
The NRA has stopped the CDC from studying gun violence in depth like it has with smoking and other diseases. A read an article saying that AR-15 wounds are more dangerous than handgun wounds, that should be taken into account. Americans love their guns and changing that is impossible.
AR15 wounds, meaning the 223? There has been a long standing argument on whether the 223 is too light for hunting deer.
Also, comparing Handguns to the AR15 is apples to oranges, there are dozens and dozens of different bullet sizes so a blanket statement like this is moot. Equivalent to saying Bonds out Perform the Stock Market.
As the dude above said somewhere, and as ridiculous as it may sound in a modern first world country... "The right to keep and bear arms is the ultimate, last and final check on a government that would kill and starve its own people". Its sad but its true.
When it comes down to it, you either believe we're here to serve the government, and that we should be scared of them, or you believe that the government is here to serve us, and that they should be scared of us. That's why we have guns. To make sure they're scared of us. If you don't agree, then America isn't for you, sorry. In fact, most of western civ technically isn't, but America is the last place where it has half a hope of surviving in any way. Canada is a lost cause, with that absolute bell-end Trudeau in charge, I don't have any hope for you guys.
We like to say 'peoplekind' my son.
The guy is literally a walking meme.
How many of you carry a gun? Always been curious. (Originally Posted: 08/13/2011)
I carry a small 9mm Ruger (registered) in my jacket or winter coat sometimes when I'm out late or have to go on a business trip to some place creepy where crime is high. I always thought I was the only one - then recently I noticed a lot of my friends on FB putting up pics of them at the shooting range.
so realistically speaking now, how many of you carry a concealed pistol a lot or at least keep a gun at home? one of my friends working at a DC PE firm carries a 2 fully loaded shotguns in his home, one in his bedroom and another under his desk lol. so guns arent just for rednecks :)
just curious.
Thoughts on home defense/owning a gun? (Originally Posted: 11/22/2013)
So I'm sure you've all seen the "knockout game" on the news lately, in addition to failed attempts where the sh*theads get shot or shot at by the victim. If not here's a link:
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/11/21/knockout-game-michigan-tasing-an…
What really pisses me off is that they seem to avoid able-bodied men but instead seem to target females or the elderly, even homeless people.
With all this nonsense going on in the world, I was wondering how many of you carry legally or own weapons for home defense, etc. I have always planned to get a security system and a handgun (think of the hilarious scene in "Couples Retreat" where Vince Vaughn almost shoots Jason Bateman) once I own property, but that's probably a few years away. I can't really rationalize getting one sooner while renting city apts...besides for recreation.
Do you currently own a gun, or are you planning to get one when the time is right? What do you think of the knockout game? Personally I think it's domestic terrorism...I've been to plenty of 3rd world countries and I've seen a few things but usually people hurt each other for a REASON not because their parents took their xbox away.
Anyone shoot? (Firearms) (Originally Posted: 11/30/2016)
I have a Glock 34, all stock - which was my first firearm purchase. I have recently gotten into the action stage shooting thing and having some fun. Not entering any competitions, but I go with other guys that shoot USPSA and IDPA. I usually go shoot the courses for practice on Saturdays before the competition Sundays.
I can see myself doing a trigger job on the Glock soon and perhaps entering some competitions in the future. Trying to decide on the next purchase - probably will be a long range rifle, maybe a Remington 700 but I am trying to make a decision on calibre rifle to go with.
inb4 justin says he has an armory.
Where are you going on business?
I do not have a gun. I am by no mean anti-gun, but I have absolutely no need for one.
I have a trip coming up in the next few months to Central America and would love to carry but I don't think checking it with people from work around would go over too well.
I live in NYC so I'm pretty sure concealed carry is impossible as a regular citizen. But does anyone know if it's possible to get a handgun (or shotgun) in Manhattan for home self-defense only? Would love to buy one.
No permit required for self defense at home. That is what Heller was all about.
^wondering the same thing. I don't believe you can have a concealed weapons license in NYC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaxico_Burress
CCW is allowed in NYC as long as you have good reason to have it. If you are CEO, CFO, Mike Bloomberg, etc.
OP, do you have the LC9? I carry one it's a great gun.
^ lol I guess you might need one since in NYC out of 100 people (non-bankers) 101 hate bankers .....sigh..
Are there always people outside the banks with their IHATEBANKER signs? haha just wondering. My friend interned last year and he said there were some people outside of his bank.
Banker88: You can have one in your home as long as you get a license: http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/permits/gun_licensing_faq.shtml
Wish I had a gun, but no point in getting one yet and my lease says Im not allowed to have one apparently...
Yes I've seen this before. "The application fee is $340.00. The fingerprint fee is $94.25." I am wondering if anyone actually has a handgun in Manhattan. I would hate to throw away $500 just to apply if the odds of getting approved are slim...
Problem for me b/c I commute from Jersey and it's almost impossible to get a carry permit to fly in that case. Sucks b/c Neward is a festering shithole of rotting degenerates and has GOT TO BE more dangerous than NY Penn. I do carry a knife big enough to use as a weapon, but seriously, the gun laws gave all the power to the criminals......who, by the way, don't follow the fucking gun laws so I don't want to hear about gun control.
And yeah, where's Justin?
Its pretty much impossible to get licenses to carry in most liberal cities. You could always get the license for another town which you grew up in though for instance, if its in the same state you live in now, by showing some proof that like your having mail sent there. You can generally use licenses anywhere in the state, though sheriffs of individual towns generally make the determination of who in their towns/cities can get the licenses. I got a license to carry concealed in the town I grew up in for instance, and am now allowed to carry anywhere in Mass. Its practically impossible to get one if you apply for living in Boston though.
Further, if you lived in another state in the past then there's the possibility to get a license there and then bring it to another state - this is called reciprocity. Many states allow for people owning licenses in some states to own in their state as well.
And if you're worried about the government ever outlawing all guns or something along those lines, you could always bring them on a boat trip and have a horrible accident and "drop" all of them "overboard"...
UFO, you born and raised Jersey?
new york doesn't allow reciprocity and nyc doesn't allow anybody but a select few, as mentioned above, to carry concealed weapons. from what i've heard you basically have to have crazy connections with judges. i think they'll come around though, there's been a lot of progress in Chicago on the pistol / concealed carry front.
to the OP, i have quite a collection and carry my .45 almost everywhere i'm legally allowed to.
I understand a license to carry in NYC is impossible if you're not a CEO or something. But what are the chances of getting approved for a license to have one in your home for self-defense?
i have a gun next to my seat in my car.. have since i was maybe 22
Ok boys, I'm here, sorry to keep you waiting. I carry two different guns depending on situation and weather. In the summer I carry my little lcp .380 and when I can wear jeans/pants I carry my XD9 SC. I am actually contemplating either getting a glock .45 for carry or an XD40 SC.
^^^^ I see
wow, this is eye-opening - never realized that many people carried guns anywhere but texas, guess i'm naive on that front
I have an Sk in my closet and a .45 in the drawer next to me bed. I live in Newport Beach, CA there isn't much breaking n' entering going on around here but you never know.
I carry:
Price range on the .45? One of my favorite pistols is my dad's kimber crimson carry. They're pretty pricy but you will love it. I mostly do bullseye shooting with a .22 so I don't shoot .45s very often, but the Kimber is hands down my favorite. The Springfields are also great and you can't go wrong with a Glock 21.
That Kimber Crimson is a sweet looking gun. They are out of my price range though so I may as well stop drooling over Kimber and Wilson Combat pistols.
I'm looking for a full-size 1911 style pistol in the $500 - $800 range, since I want to start with a quality piece and not a $200 piece of junk. I've had my eye on a Springfield, which may be the best value for the money in my price range. I'm not too big on Glocks due to the safety being located on the trigger.
Ruger P90 just like the LAPD, it is right in your $500-$800 price range
Anyone in NYC have a shotgun for home defense? Might apply for one of those if so.
That would probably be your best bet since it's a long gun. They're also cheap and effective.
For those of you who do carry...where do you have your gun on you?
Pocket holstered or belt inside my pants/slacks in a holster
pocket holster
I have NYPD firearms licenses (different ones for different purposes). The process is long and expensive relative to anywhere else in the US.
In reality though, the handgun license or long gun license is something that most New Yorkers can obtain with little problem provided the following two things:
Forget convictions and arrests, this isn't an HR background check. The NYPD's definition of a clean record is that you have never been spoken to by law enforcement for any reason either as a victim or possible suspect. The only exemption to this rule would be non-criminal traffic incidents. If your name comes up with a hit in the Federal or NYS system for anything you will need to explain why in great written detail. Again, this is also true if you were the victim of a crime.
Any hit is a ding.
This standard is eluded to in the official documents but never said explicitly. However, once "in the system" it was very clear that if my name was found for any reason I would have a problem.
The application process is designed so that the average citizen answering all questions at face value will do so incorrectly at some point. In fact, quite a few important steps aren't found in any official or verbal guidance by the NYPD.
Yes, it is possible for someone to get the license issued without an attorney. However, it will take 3x as long as you will be learning of the deficiencies in your application package only after a preliminary denial.
I invite everyone to ask questions as many here are probably NYC based. Law abiding citizens should be afforded their rights.
Now to clear up some bad advice here. (I'm on a mobile device so forgive the brevity and lack of quotes)
to the guy commuting from NJ to NYC, quit carrying a knife. NJ allows total discretion to police in arresting you for any sort of knife possession without a "reason". Self defense isn't a reason. Buy pepper spray at a NYC gun store instead. Must be in person and in NYC at a gun store or pharmacy or it's illegal here. It will be legal in NJ as their pepper spray laws are more reasonable. I've never seen them in a pharmacy. I can PM you gun stores that sell them if you need.
Also NJ won't honor out of state licenses and NY won't issue them to non residents so it's impossible to carry a gun between the states (carry loaded not unloaded transport).
NYC doesn't honor NYS licenses not issued by the NYPD unless for retired police officers. Don't even try. NYS law makes it a felony.
Knowing a judge is useless. In NYS a judge issues the license. However, in NYC only the police commissioner ofthe NYPD is authorized to do so. That power is administered down through the Dep Commissioner of Legal Matters and then License Division.
I carry a modified mp5. I roll dirty. Also why do you even care about getting a fucking license for home defense, just bring that shit in and hide it. Why announce it to people that you have guns? Also for those of you who are wondering about how to get guns and not have the government know about them go to gun shows. Sales are cash and are non licensed.
Also why doesnt someone sue NYC to get these obvious lack of checks and ballances and infringement on constutional rights corrected?
I got my AR-15 before the ban on assault rifles in Cali for protection at home and the inevitable zombie attack in the future. But we can't carry conceal weapons in Cali, so the most we can do is carry a blade.
Here in DC, there is no legal concealed carry option, so I opt for an OTF knife. Doesn't ruin the cut of my suit and I luckily haven't had to use it.
For those contemplating concealed carry in NYC, how would that work exactly? No office building will allow to bring a gun inside, nor will any nightclubs, restaurants, bars, museums etc. Unless you leave your house to just walk around I don't see how that would work? Not trying to start a flame war, just curious...
Do you really think that no one carries guns into places where you arent supposed to? Does Plax mean nothing to you?
Its a great way to get shot in NYC.
In Houston there is a gun show almost every weekend. I also hear something like 50% of drivers have a gun in their car in the city of Houston, I'd imagine the statistic is even higher outside of the city (the city itself is fairly liberal compared to the rest of Texas).
In Houston there is a gun show almost every weekend. I also hear something like 50% of drivers have a gun in their car in the city of Houston, I'd imagine the statistic is even higher outside of the city (the city itself is fairly liberal compared to the rest of Texas).
Growing up in the woods of PA, I have always been a hunter (white tail, black bear, coyote...not so much turkey) so needless to say, I have quite a few guns (somewhere between 12-15). All rifles and quite a few shotguns (never really got into hand-guns). PA is probably considered as a slightly less intensive Texas (those guys are badass) making it relatively easy to acquire a handgun. I would like to know what hand-gun is considered effective but not overkill. I obviously do not want to go out and buy a $2500 Desert Eagle (you could take that thing to the Holy Land and start your own Crusade). I am just looking for something effective and small.
As for the posters asking info on shotguns for home defense. If you're living in NYC, there's no need for it as a home defense weapon. If you must absolutely get one, get a 12 gauge with a sawed off barrel (shorter draw time). Get a pump and practice at a range....experienced shooters can shoot a pump faster than a semi. but like I said it's overkill....might as well get a CIA drone to fly around your apartment.
That's what I always say that no one seems to understand who didn't grow up with guns. It's hard to hit someone with a handgun, on the other hand my great grandmama could put you in your grave with a 12 gauge. If you're going for home protection, get a shotgun. Period.
Shotguns are the best for home defense, even if you don't fire any. Age 18: home for the summer. i'm one to stay up late at night, on our back deck with my laptop enjoying the starry sky and shit.... and heard a little noise below me. I went in and got a shotgun that had a little laser pointer accessory i bought and started waving the bright red dot around (a thin red line can be seen as well). The noises I heard got fainter but faster like someone was trying to get away. then I turned on the outside light and made my shotgun seen and I'm pretty sure I heard a voice say "oh shit!" (LOL) and i heard feet running off into the distance.... dont know what happened that night....prob just some teens playing tag or maybe it was a real burglurary.
From my understanding, shotguns were generally considered the best home defense guns because:
1) Less overpenetration - shotgun bullets don't travel nearly as far as rifle or handgun bullets thereby reducing the chances of collateral damage.
2) Hitting the target - because a shotgun spreads its bullets, you get more margin of error in your shooting. This is actually more relevant than you might initially think as shooting under stress (e.g. in a home defense situation) certainly can have an adverse effect on your nerves and ability to hold a gun steady.
Pro-gun, have a carry permit, rarely use it.
I don't think a gun would help much in these situations. The asshats are taking people completely by surprise, usually from the side or behind. If you don't see the attack coming, a weapon isn't going to do any good.
I'm pro gun and own a bunch for hunting and sport shooting. Here in Canada the laws are pretty tight so I can't really carry one with me. That said, I do keep a shotgun under the bed.
The thing is, I'm not even clear enough on the defense/property laws so at this point I'm 99% certain I wouldn't even get it out in case of burglary. Too many stories about the good guys getting fucked by the man.
Pro Gun, though I don't own one and probably never will I agree with the principle of owning one on moral grounds, but studies have repeatedly shown that owning a gun actually increases your chance of dying in a grisly shootout, not deterring it
I'll never own a gun. Too many ways to make a mistake and have something go wrong or Cheddar Bob myself
Pro-gun: cousin is a deputy sheriff... license to carry. If you get licensed, do it in FL or UT, they have the most reciprocity... something like 28 states recognize your right. It is fairly easy to do... background check, test, sponsor to vouch.
I own a 45 and will be inheriting a small arsenal. I am comfortable carrying given my my instructor was a professional. Not sure I would own one in a city, given most cities don't permit it... at the end of the day, i would be comfortable using mine in if a situation required it. I absolutely would not consider unless you could say the same
In Texas you can use deadly force if you are convinced that it is the only way to stop the threat. If you get a CHL, you shouldn't carry anything smaller than a .40 caliber.
Don't like guns. Would never want to own a gun. The odds of getting your home broken into are pretty much zero, especially in nice areas. Knock out game is beyond horrible but again odds are basically zero of happening to any individual.
Tell that to the people who are burglarized every day, and to the people whom have been victims of the game. Your comment is beyond asinine.
Clearly you have a paranoid outlook on things, which do not make my comments asinine. Lower income areas sure not safe places but this is WSO filled with high earning finance professionals. I just looked up my home town, 0.2% burglary rate. As for the knockout game, think of the US population and the number of times that happened, you are talking less than 0.005% chance. I don't know about you but I don't live my life worrying about super long tail problems.
Pro-gun & female. Do not currently own a gun, and probably won't bother keeping one in the house (tragic accidents seem to be far more commonplace than successful self-defense).
I've also taken gun safety/shooting lessons & martial arts classes. However, nothing can actually prepare you for any kind of random attack or assault. I love when people react to stories of violence by bragging about how they would handle the situation like a total badass. Suuuuuuuuuuuure.
The only reason tragedies seem more common place is that you hear about the horrifying incidents from our left-wing news commentators who would be happy to strip you of every constitutional right you have.
A guy defending his family from an intruder in the middle of the night is just not news.
Source? CDC keeps okayish records on gun accidents... in the area I used to live in, most of the gun deaths were hunting accidents & on a couple occasions kids finding & playing with guns. This was based on local news/crime blotters, not reported on by HuffPo.
As much as I like guns, I don't think every yahoo on the subway should have one. That's hardly a political viewpoint. Just common sense. I don't trust most people with anything more complex than a pair of scissors... and I mean the colorful, blunted children's scissors.
Pro-gun, used to own a handgun. Thing to keep in mind is that if you do decide to purchase a firearm for self-defense you need to be prepared to practice with it extensively, much like you would need to practice a martial art. Also for home defense in an apartment or even a reasonably sized house a shotgun would probably suit your needs the best.
From Texas, and pro-gun. I don't own a "personal" gun, but have been out to the range before. I believe that some people should not be fit to handle hunting shotguns and rifles and handguns, but if the time comes for it, I'd rather be prepared and armed with a gun instead of wishing I had one.
I fully believe in the right to own a gun. Anyone who says otherwise is a sissy.
Most of the people who are on here are either in Manhattan or hoping to someday work on Manhattan. Your 2nd Amendment rights simply do not exist here.
I own guns, I keep them in my cars, in my home, always carry on my person. The thing about it is you will likely never need to use a gun for personal defense in your life. However the one time you might need one it's a hell of a lot better to have one than to not. Besides if shit keeps going the way its been going for the past 7 years or so we will be having to fend off hoards of angry homeless people in the next 15 years or so. In that case I'll take an AR-15 with a 100 round drum magazine and Kevlar laced clothing over the police.
I'm not 100% sure of the definition of domestic terrorism, but I wouldn't really lump the knockout game in to that category.
The knockout game is basically a bunch of teenagers doing stupid, dangerous things to others with absolutely no point or agenda in mind other than to get an adrenaline rush. That's not terrorism it's simply young people being stupid because they feel they can get away with it / want to.
At some point it is very likely those actions will have consequences, whether it be criminal charges, being shot or just plain picking someone who will withstand the initial blow and end up beating the hell out of the attacker. Whatever consequences befall the people engaging in this game are ultimately deserved in my opinion and they will receive no sympathy from me. Not that my feelings matter.
If a person wants to endanger the health and safety of another just to get cheap thrills, in my opinion they readily accept whatever consequences come their way. In short, I don't think it's on the level of domestic terrorism, but if someone kills an attacker I won't have a problem with it at all.
I disagree on the not being terrorism part. Terrorism doesn't have to have an agenda. By its very definition terrorism is an act that terrifies a population. People are scared they will be assaulted by black kids for no reason. That pretty much sums it up. I think you are trying to define an insurgency.
I don't really disagree with you on the definition of terrorism.
I was more thinking of it from a punishment stance. If I'm not mistaken (I may be), the punishment for terrorism is the death penalty. Do the people playing this game automatically deserve to get the death penalty or even life in prison for their actions? I'd say no, but others may disagree. But, like I said, I wouldn't feel bad if one of these people gets killed by the person they're attacking.
lol, "teenagers"
Do you have a better way to describe their age / development level?
Pro-gun, not sure if I'd concealed carry in most places. Plan on getting a shotgun and handgun eventually to have at home, just haven't decided about keeping one on me regularly.
Carrying concealed gives you options. If a situation comes up, a concealed pistol provides the ability to bring a graceful and immediate conclusion.
Have a h&k vp9 (9mm, full sized service pistol with a 4.1 inch barrel), a Mossie 500 12 gauge pump (18.5 inch barrel) and an m1a .308 rifle (18 inch barrel)
I shoot paper targets at the range with the rifle and pistol, and every once in a while bring along the shottie to convince myself I still remember enough to fill a bad guy with 00 buck. I'm good enough with the pistol to be the best on the range most days, and am still struggling with the rifle. I shoot about 200 rounds a week with the pistol and 25 with the rifle.
Seriously considering purchasing a M1A. How do you like it? Any regrets v. purchasing an AR platform?
I love the m1a. It kicks surprisingly light for a full powered rifle. On the other hand, it is heavy as hell (I have it in a walnut stock, the polymer is undoubtedly lighter). It is less "tactical" than the AR, but it's a hell of a rifle at distance, and is a "one shot, one kill" type of rifle (seeing it kick up dirt or ring a plate vs an AR is great).
I own a Walther WA 2000, it was the first gun in my imaginary gun collection, and looks great on my imaginary house's mantle place. Check it out if you want a unique gun for your collection.
Want to have some real fun?
Get a good fitting shotgun, and take a lesson in shooting clay pigeons. Nothing beats the exhilaration of shooting a moving target. Now I say take a lesson because shooting simulated waterfowl is not like shooting a pumpkin on a post, completely different kind of shooting and relies more on hand-eye coordination.
A shotgun is practical for sport and for home defense. Do you know what is the best deterrent for a home invasion/robbery? The loading of the shotgun cartridge into the chamber will make most burglars poop their pants.
Now I go to the range with my buddy as often as I can to shoot some 9mm and .38 specials, and if in the right mood an AK. Now I can say shooting an AK is FUN, but it just does not compare to skeet shooting.
Awesome I will have to check this out more closely. It does sound fun!
Agree with this. Went shooting for the first time at Thunder Mountain (closest clay pigeon range to NYC as far as I know). So much fun. I actually hit a couple.
Thinking I might also try out a more typical range. I think there's one called Hired Guns. Any recos for NYC?
I know Bear Mountain has clay pigeons as well as Millbrook.
+1 I've been shooting skeet and clays since 2012. Do a lot of charity sponsored events in my industry down here in the South. I usually only miss 1 or 2 on league skeet courses, but sporting clays is always different and a ton of fun - usually shoot 60%-85% at the random events I go to. I use a Weatherby semi-auto 12ga, which has been a fantastic gun for the value.
I shoot sporting clays competitively and can't agree more. I love shooting all guns but nothing is like sporting clays! I shoot a Benelli SBE II if anyone cared
Skeet shooting is fun, but trap shooting is far more interesting and challenging.
Agreed, I've done both and you have to love when they mix release speeds to try and throw you off.
What's a good starter weapon for mostly self defense purposes? Looking into a few options...
it's hard to miss with a 12 gauge
Depends on if you are talking about carrying or just home defense. I'm not a great source on carrying but I have a glock 19 that I am in love with. For home defense I recommend either a shotgun (benelli nova or remington 870 are quality cheap options) or a taurus judge. I recently purchased a 3in judge for fishing in swamps and I love it. I thought there would be some kick with either the 45 or 410s, but the weight of the gun really makes it smooth. Definitely get the 3in version if you look at it though.
not carrying, self-defense.
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12 gauge pump action shotgun
Hell yes. Not in NY but when I was in CA I was part of a gun club - favorites are the Sig P226 and HK USP. My club also had a cool modified AR with a Glock grip and mag system, super fun to use. I used to shoot competitively in early high school as well, mostly .22's at 25yds
Next purchase will be a 226 or a USP. Which one do you like more?
If you're just taking it to the range, the USP puts a bigger smile on your face and it's a .40. But as a pdw, I'd take the p226
Huge Sig fan. I have a mid-90s 226 stamped "Made in West Germany" thats an absolute tack driver. My best looking gun is a Beretta 92FS INOX but the Sig 226 is my favorite. I have owned several Glocks but they don't fit my hand right and never felt comfortable to me.
I will second C.R.E. Get yourself a decent shotgun and hit your local outdoor shooting range. Trap, skeet, and sporting clays are a lot of fun and I honestly enjoy that more than going inside some musty indoor range and shooting handguns. I am however deciding on buying either a VP9 or a PPQ.
I joined a clay pigeon shooting club and it's really fun.
That's the only form of shooting I currently do. Just started last year, love sporting clays.
I have a Benelli 12ga, S&W .45 pistol and a Colt AR. I get to a skeet range with friends regularly. I shoot pistols and ARs/AKs with my hick family mostly.
Which Benelli do you have? I bought a Montefeltro not too long ago and am really pleased with it.
One of my friends has an Ethos as well as an O/U and both are so sweet
I bought a Nova a few years ago and its been great. Probably the smoothest pump I have ever shot.
Anyone shoot (porn)?
There is nothing more fun than shooting clays at the range, which leads to why I love bird hunting so much. It's crazy how many people have never been hunting, go with a guide or someone who knows what they're doing if you've never been.
I recently bought a Henry .357 magnum / .38 special lever-action carbine and I fucking love it. Got some steel targets which makes shooting much more enjoyable from a distance as you instantly know if you were on-target and can dial in iron sights a bit. Especially for those who live in anti-2nd amendment states I'd highly recommend a lever-action, they also sell them in high-powered rifle cartridges for deer hunting and such.
I agree lever action is under rated.
Oh damn my safe is full to the rim and without guns 900 lbs. Over the past 24 months I have been on a 1911 splurge picking up (2) Wilson Combat, (2) Nighthawk Customs, and as well as a Les Baer Thunder Ranch. In cooler months we all have a favorite range for shooting clays. I hunted in my youth but have not been hunting in ages now.
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pere797 For the trigger job go with a Ghost 3.5 Rocket.
Tavor 5.56... It's an incredible firearm. You won't be shooting any indoor intruders unless you want to blow an eardrum but it'll hold it's value. It's the most advanced rifle you can get for the money and it is incredibly easy to just pick up and shoot accurate.
Yes and you also don't want to shoot your neighbor because penetration on the 5.56. My favorite is Sig 220/226. 220 is perfect in terms of size but ACP can be a bit tiring after a while and I'm not nearly as accurate compared to 9mm.
If you're looking at long range rifles, take a serious look at the Ruger Precision Rifle. Amazing gun for just over a grand.
I have a Beretta A300 Outlander for clay pigeon shooting / pheasant hunting. Got one in matte black to start but my next shotgun will definitely have a wood finish.
Bunch of people at my office go shooting together every once in a while.
Nothing against semi's, but I'm in love with the Beretta o/u's. They are the most balanced doubles I've ever picked up. Will definitely be adding it to the lot with the next bonus.
Beretta makes a fine shotgun for sure. I personally can't imagine using anything other than a O/U for shooting clays.
Are you talking about the 686? I have been eyeing that baby for awhile. Maybe when bonus season comes haha.
I got the A300 with the wood stock man, definitely worth it, how do you like yours?
Love it. Shoots super cleanly, never had an issue with it.
I knew it was a bad idea to leave the US! Nothing more exhilarating than shooting a gun...
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I have a FNP .45, a Smith & Wesson .40, Century Arms AK-47, and a Remington 870. When the weather is nice I'll go shoot clays, when the weather sucks I go to the indoor range and shoot paper targets. I'm looking to add a 9mm to my collection next year, I'm leaning towards a H&K, but my brother has a beretta that is tons of fun to shoot.
I think shooting is an awesome hobby. A lot of people are surprised how much fun they have when I invite them along for a day at the range.
I'm always happy when I take a new shooter to the range and when we are leaving they tell me they want to come back and do it again, and even better they want to start shopping for their own gun.
Of all of the long-range rifles I have (Remington 700 included), my absolute favorite is my browning A-bolt 7MM with the extended barrel. For a mountain rifle, browning makes a shorty, lever action 7MM that fits in a scabbard and is very packable.
If you have the money, I would highly recommend Gunwerks (in Utah) or Christensen arms in either a 7MM or a Lapua Magnum if you would like to do some extremely long-range shooting. Gunwerks actually holds classes as well to teach you how to shoot long range properly.
https://www.gunwerks.com/store/rifles
https://christensenarms.com/
The ballistics on a 7MM with the right coefficients are amazing if everything is put together right.
I would also recommend a shotgun for clays and skeet shooting - Browning BPS, Browning Citori, Binelli, etc.
For matches, I've seen a lot of guys with Springfield XDM 4.5" setups in either .40 or .45.
I shot trap competitively growing up (if I told you my home state you wouldn't be surprised) and go out for pheasants and quail every winter. I'm trying to get into pistols, but still can't find evenings for putting in the range time. Hoping to go with a 9mm and a .45 1911 for those fun days.
I've thought about building a Mk18 tactical clone from the ground up. Daniel Defense Mk18 upper receiver, Magpul CTR stock, KAC foregrip, Surefire suppressor, and maybe a Sig Sauer Romeo 4 sight. Just not sure if I want to plunk down the couple thousand dollars it will take to get it done.
I own a Ruger SR9C for personal defense and love it. I try to get 100-200 rounds in at the range each week. Awaiting my ccw permit as we speak. My college professor and father are both big firearm guys and got me into it.
My dream firearm is an HK Mp5K though but can't get myself to justify the price tag.
The SR9C is great. A family member has one and I like it better than other pistols I've shot. Have to admit, I wish I had a professor who is into firearms.
my ex's new bf shoots blanks
I shoot USPA. I run a Smith and Wesson Pro Series .40cal with Taran basepads. I also reload my own ammo for. Really great gun. There are a ton of great after market parts for glocks and trigger/sights are a definitely if you really starting getting into the competition world. Check out Apex, Taran Tactical and Zev.
Additionally I have a SW shield, built 2 AR15's, have various shotguns for hunting, xbow and .22lr. One of the ARs is a DMR build that is accurate as hell. Also hand load my ARs.
If you go the remington 700 route go .308. However, savage makes great rifles too. I am planning on doing a savage in 6.5 Creedmoor and sticking it in a chassis along with a nice piece of glass.
Also if your state allows you to get a suppressor, get one! I just got mine in about two months ago and its a blast. I can use it on both AR's and its rated up to 300WM. PM me if you want more details.
Nice. I reload also. Just stocked up on 5000 primers.
Nighthawks, AK 47, M16A2, Magnum.... . . . . . when I play CS:GO
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