You're in Business School (so must be older than 21) and you're asking this sort of a question. Can you tell me what BSchool so I never go there?

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 
jbecerra1:

I'm 19 and I'm interested in the investment banking field so would like to know more about it...

Fair enough. The best investment bank is.......Lehman Brothers, they rode the crisis surprisingly well.

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 

Thanks Oreos...i just spit blue powerade all over my monitor and its coming out of my nose...and the lady nxt to me wont stop looking over here now... lol

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If they're using a "weighted algorithm", this seems about right. HLHZ's lifestyle and culture pull its average up, while GS/MS's prestige counterbalance the shitty culture and lifestyle. Blackstone kills it in both categories. To my understanding, the algorithm has more "lifestyle-based" variables and thus those hold more weight -- hence the high HLHZ ranking. If you want to look purely at a firm's prestige, Vault has a "Top 50" list ranked solely by prestige -- HLHZ is way low on that one.

 

There's something negative said about hours or work/life balance in each of the first 6 reviews. It gets repetitive. Vault has a strange hard-on for HL and it's reflected in their rankings.

Also, from what I've read on this sight it sounds like BX doesn't work particularly long hours since deal flow isn't that great. So that means BX analysts get the benefit of manageable hours and top prestige? Does this sound fucking sweet or am I missing something?

 
NYKnicks92:

There's something negative said about hours or work/life balance in each of the first 6 reviews. It gets repetitive. Vault has a strange hard-on for HL and it's reflected in their rankings.

Also, from what I've read on this sight it sounds like BX doesn't work particularly long hours since deal flow isn't that great. So that means BX analysts get the benefit of manageable hours and top prestige? Does this sound fucking sweet or am I missing something?

good hours, prestige, above street pay, lean teams/great learning experience, amazing exit ops

yeah, pretty fucking sweet

 

Heard from somewhere on this forum that HLHZ used to sponsor this report (or Vault to some extent). Might not be true (ever or anymore), but could be attributed to their apparent bias for them.

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slayer:

Ranked (assuming generalist offer):
GS
Ms
Jpm/Lazard/evercore/pwp/qatalyst/centerview/bx/other elites

Gap

CS/Barcap/baml/citi/DB

Gap

Top mms/UBS
Strong mms

Gap

Mms

Huge Gap

No name boutiques etc.

You recorded Gap multiple times on the list, just FYI. May wanna fix that.

Also, Gap is only good if you get into the slightly more exclusive Banana Republic group, regular Gap is meh and avoid Old Navy like the plague.

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Look man I don't like this obsession with not ranking on this site. In my opinion it's silly and adds no value. Ranking does add value because kids then know wtf they should do (at least from a prestige/exit pop perspective) about multiple offers.

I know kids at low tier bbs thinking they have it better than the kid at evercore. I mean it's crazy.

 
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slayer:

Ranked (assuming generalist offer):
GS
Ms
Jpm/Lazard/evercore/pwp/qatalyst/centerview/bx/other elites

Gap

CS/Barcap/baml/citi/DB

Gap

Top mms/UBS
Strong mms

Gap

Mms

Huge Gap

No name boutiques etc.

I hate tiers and the whole prestige thing fostered so evidently on this site, but I want to provide an actual example that ought to serve as a strong enough counterpoint to your post than me dismantling it line by line.

GS TMT last year gave 12 return offers. 7 accepted. 2 of those 5 who passed their offer up went to Blackstone, one to McKinsey, another said "fuck finance, I'm out" and went to a startup, and I don't recall what the 5th ended up doing.

First of all, GS and MS give generalist offers. When you get hired as a summer, you have to go through the placement process; there's no guarantee of getting any of the three groups you pref highest. Chances are, you will, but it's not guaranteed by any means; for example, a friend at GS ranked his three preferences with TMT as the first, yet got put into FIG (well agreed as the bank's other strongest group) without even having it as a listed preference.

When you get hired as a full-time analyst at MS or GS, for regional offices you may get hired to a specific group, but the accelerated recruiting process at the end of the summer is simply a mechanism to get warm bodies into the seats they need. They get the total number they want to fill out their analyst class and worry about the sorting later; it's not until much later in the process (well into the fall semester) that specific desks go out and recruit for a precise role (and even then, it's almost invariably because one of their summers who received an offer took his precious time to decline it and the group ends up scrambling to fill it late in the process).

Blackstone doesn't give generalist offers. If you're in advisory, it's either M&A or Restructuring (although the new M&A Structured Products group has started recruiting separately from the other two).

This is an inherently subjective thing. If you want to work at a distressed, special situations, or event-driven fund, a place like Blackstone or Lazard for restructuring is probably going to set you up better than GS TMT/FIG. Headhunters will love you for being in those groups, but if you can't get past the invitational dinner, coffee chat, or first-round interview because you aren't technically prepared to work at a Centerbridge, York (Credit Opportunities), a Gates, a Fortress (Drawbridge Special Opportunities), or an Angelo Gordon, GLG, Halcyon, Redwood, Litespeed, Solus, Jana, Contrarian, etc., then God bless you, you're stuck in banking.

If you want megafund PE, then yeah, aim for the groups that enjoy perennial positions in the limelight, the usual suspects (strong coverage groups like GS TMT and FIG, MS Media/Comms and CRG, JPM Sponsors and TMT ... strong product groups like MS M&A, GS LevFin, JPM M&A and LevFin).

Long story short, know what you want to do, then identify the best path to help you get there. Blindly following the herd because you heard "this is the best group" will get you lots of headhunter love but won't necessarily get you real skills, and on the buy-side, all they ever want is alpha-generating talent. If you can't produce, get the fuck out of the seat.

I am permanently behind on PMs, it's not personal.
 

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