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Monkey_Guru54's picture
Monkey_Guru54
     
 
(Chimp, 2
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 11:46am
not guilty.jpg

Hi - need your advice about a problem I'm facing.

I summered at a mm investment bank and now I'm working there full-time. When I applied for the summer, they requested unofficial copys of my transcript, copied and pasted into a word document. I changed some of my grades from a B to an A from my freshman year and they never checked when I worked there over the summer. Now I'm working there full-time and a month into the job, HR is asking for official transcripts to confirm that I've graduated (I'm not even sure if they still have my application from two years ago on hand or if they're going to compare it). Should I:

1) Tell HR about it.
2) Forge a copy of my official transcript.
3) Quit and find another job to save myself from the embarssment.

Thanks.

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duffmt6's picture

1. You're an idiot. 2. Just

duffmt6
      IB
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,329
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 11:49am

1. You're an idiot.
2. Just send them your official transcript and see what happens.

"Social cohesion and puritanical morality place roughly on my list of concerns between whether I'll pick up jock itch at the gym this week (not likely, since I don't go the gym) and whether it'll rain in Christchurch, New Zealand next Tuesday."
-Eddie

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Kanon's picture

You're an asshat. Send them

Kanon
      O
 
(King Kong, 1,504
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:20pm

You're an asshat. Send them your official transcript or if you can, try and find another opportunity in this dreadful recruiting season with your offer.

If you admit it to HR - unless all the MDs loved you and you were a superstar intern - you're as good as gone. And Do NOT forge another transcript - you'll be lower than scum. Your word and reputation will be pretty tarnished even before you start your career, and if the senior people at your Chicago MM bank have some serious connections and want to ruin your life, you'll be joining the ranks of Aleksey Vayner and Jeffrey Chiang.

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user_'s picture

Can't you just give them your

user_
      IB
 
(Senior Baboon, 178
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 11:57am

Can't you just give them your diploma and see what happens?

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Vectors225's picture

Rofl...you got some balls

Vectors225
      CF
 
(Orangutan, 372
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 11:58am

Rofl...you got some balls man

But in all seriousness, I doubt HR will go over your transcript and double check the grades. They'll just verify that you didn't fuck up and failed to graduate.
Don't do this shit ever again tho

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Vectors225's picture

Also, the fact that you're

Vectors225
      CF
 
(Orangutan, 372
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 11:59am

Also, the fact that you're even considering to forge the official transcript is alarming as fuck. You know this can lead to some serious jeffrey chiang/etc shit, right?

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N.R.G.'s picture

I'll pick 2) Forge a copy of

N.R.G.
     
 
(Orangutan, 293
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:00pm

I'll pick 2) Forge a copy of my official transcript.
Is that the correct answer?
And you should start looking for another job just in case they find out soon and fire you.
I would never pick 1) as 3) is a superior option to it in all cases.

To be honest, I think there's a lot of potential in you to get to the top, especially in finance. I agree that this particular move was a bit stupid though - next time, lie about something that cannot be easily verified and you'll be fine.

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Macro Arbitrage's picture

Given that you've decided to

Macro Arbitrage
      HF
 
(King Kong, 1,369
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:05pm

Given that you've decided to forge your unofficial transcript, you need to find a way to forge the official or you're possibly fucked. Hire some photoshop whiz for $100 and have your forged 'official' transcripts printed at a really high quality printing/office supplies store using the finest of paper (the kind that charges $5 for a one sided A4 sheet).

"I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."

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duffmt6's picture

Macro Arbitrage wrote: Given

duffmt6
      IB
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,329
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:10pm
Macro Arbitrage:

Given that you've decided to forge your unofficial transcript, you need to find a way to forge the official or you're possibly fucked. Hire some photoshop whiz for $100 and have your forged 'official' transcripts printed at a really high quality printing/office supplies store using the finest of paper (the kind that charges $5 for a one sided A4 sheet).

This isn't serious, is it?

"Social cohesion and puritanical morality place roughly on my list of concerns between whether I'll pick up jock itch at the gym this week (not likely, since I don't go the gym) and whether it'll rain in Christchurch, New Zealand next Tuesday."
-Eddie

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Flake's picture

You're a piece of shit.

Flake
      ER
 
(Neanderthal, 3,597
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:15pm

You're a piece of shit.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

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Angelus99's picture

wow....dont hold back how you

Angelus99
      AM
 
 
(Orangutan, 345
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:18pm

wow....dont hold back how you feel ok?

Beast

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ivoteforthatguy's picture

Let's give the boy a break

ivoteforthatguy
      O
 
(Neanderthal, 2,210
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:21pm

Let's give the boy a break here.

Banking is absolutely crawling with slimy, lying, cheating cocksuckers and you all know it.

Since he fessed up and admitted he is a lying sack of shit, let's see what we can do for him. Don't tell HR. That's like going to traffic court and pleading guilty. You're only a month in so it is too early to quit. That leaves you some options:

1. Keep putting off HR about the transcripts
2. See if your school can validate your graduation without a transcript
3. Say that you are contesting a grade in one of your courses (this is technically true) and that is holding up release of transcript but offer option 2

note none of these involve forgery or more outright lying. your firm cannot legally get your transcripts: they can, however, verify graduation and major indepndent of you.

obviously, you dumb bunny, you have not been following the news of many high-profile CV-fakers over the past few years, so every firm does an anal-probe caliber background check now. if you had been reading the papers instead of fucking up your classes you might know this.

good luck!

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UFOinsider's picture

lol hahahahaha HaHaHaHaHaHaHa

UFOinsider
      O
 
(Human, 10,349
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:28pm

lol

hahahahaha

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaH

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
http://www.troll.me/images/red-foreman322/dont-you...

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Monkey_Guru54's picture

Fuck, i Should never have

Monkey_Guru54
     
 
(Chimp, 2
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:32pm

Fuck, i Should never have done it, and I regret doing, I should have applied and if I got an interview, told them why I fucked up those courses, but I know that I wouldn't even gotten an interview if I did that - which doesn't excuse it. I'm never going to do something like this again, cause every since I started, I've been thinking about it.

I think the best option for me is to quit (not sure what reason I'm going to provide yet), and look for another job somewhere else in another finance stream, but I'm not sure how tough this will be given the job market. They'll probably ask why I didn't go back to the firm, etc. But I think my reputation is pretty important starting off.

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blastoise's picture

I don't see what the big deal

blastoise
      O
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,380
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:35pm

I don't see what the big deal is.

The best thing to do was to say" oh wow it was definitely a typo, must have gotten confused are there any other issues with it?"

Then ask to see the original copy you made vs the official and say oh wow I got three of em wrong, hopefully this won't happen in any of my work, is there any other issues that you(HR) found?

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blastoise's picture

Don't quit these people are

blastoise
      O
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,380
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:36pm

Don't quit these people are idiots

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rls's picture

Assuming this isn't a

rls
      HF
 
 
(Orangutan, 367
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:37pm
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Bene qui latuit, bene vixit- Ovid

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go.with.the.flow's picture

Bro, chill the fuck out --

go.with.the.flow
      EN
 
(King Kong, 1,109
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:39pm

|| But feeling good and enjoying life are prerequisites to success, not by products of it- Midas Mulligan Magoo ||

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UFOinsider's picture

blastoise wrote: The best

UFOinsider
      O
 
(Human, 10,349
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:46pm

YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
http://www.troll.me/images/red-foreman322/dont-you...

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manbearpig's picture

Let me tell you a story that

manbearpig
      CO
 
 
(Neanderthal, 3,029
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:50pm

-MBP

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Nefarious-'s picture

At this point in the game,

Nefarious-
      CF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,216
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 12:53pm

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Kanon's picture

manbearpig wrote: Let me tell

Kanon
      O
 
(King Kong, 1,504
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:03pm
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ivoteforthatguy's picture

^ at my UG there was a guy

ivoteforthatguy
      O
 
(Neanderthal, 2,210
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:05pm
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Edmundo Braverman's picture

The fucking balls on these

Edmundo Braverman
      ST
 
 
(Human, 14,408
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:13pm

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Dr Joe's picture

ivoteforthatguy wrote: ^ at

Dr Joe
      O
 
 
(Senior Gorilla, 986
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:14pm
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bears1208's picture

Fuck why didn't I think of

bears1208
     
 
(Gorilla, 535
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:18pm
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pacman22's picture

Ok, Don't quit and don't tell

pacman22
      IB
 
(Monkey, 44
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:18pm
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Nefarious-'s picture

Edmundo Braverman wrote: Kid,

Nefarious-
      CF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,216
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:19pm

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Nefarious-'s picture

In all seriousness, this is

Nefarious-
      CF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,216
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:21pm

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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UFOinsider's picture

manbearpig wrote: Let me tell

UFOinsider
      O
 
(Human, 10,349
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:24pm

YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
http://www.troll.me/images/red-foreman322/dont-you...

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Edmundo Braverman's picture

Nefarious- wrote: Edmundo

Edmundo Braverman
      ST
 
 
(Human, 14,408
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:27pm

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arguewithatree's picture

not true at all. jeffrey

arguewithatree
      IB
 
(Senior Orangutan, 479
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:27pm
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Kanon's picture

arguewithatree wrote: not

Kanon
      O
 
(King Kong, 1,504
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:31pm
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Jack Campbell's picture

Well there is a big long

Jack Campbell
      PE
 
(Chimp, 4
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:35pm
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Nefarious-'s picture

Jack Campbell wrote: Well

Nefarious-
      CF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,216
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:36pm

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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UFOinsider's picture

Kanon wrote: arguewithatree

UFOinsider
      O
 
(Human, 10,349
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:37pm

YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
http://www.troll.me/images/red-foreman322/dont-you...

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Midas Mulligan Magoo's picture

Tell them you suffer from

Midas Mulligan Magoo
     
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 5,167
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:40pm

Where I unload on Twits and take verbal S***s

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Kanon's picture

UFOinsider wrote: Kanon

Kanon
      O
 
(King Kong, 1,504
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:42pm
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copia22's picture

Forge it and move on, nothing

copia22
      IB
 
(Baboon, 109
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:47pm
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IMSOSMOOVE's picture

Here's some advice "integrity

IMSOSMOOVE
      O
 
(Senior Chimp, 22
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:48pm
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TheKing's picture

Just submit it, they aren't

TheKing
      O
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 5,143
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:55pm

Check out my WSO Blog

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happypantsmcgee's picture

They won't compare them.

happypantsmcgee
      O
 
 
(Almost Human, 9,621
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 1:57pm

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

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manbearpig's picture

Woah, thanks for the monkey

manbearpig
      CO
 
 
(Neanderthal, 3,029
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 2:00pm

-MBP

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Nefarious-'s picture

manbearpig wrote: Woah,

Nefarious-
      CF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,216
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 2:06pm

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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IHAVEABIGHEART's picture

Delete the city name and some

IHAVEABIGHEART
     
 
(Baboon, 132
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 2:08pm
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Nouveau Richie's picture

I think this is blown out of

Nouveau Richie
      IB
 
(Neanderthal, 2,785
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 2:32pm
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njmonkey46's picture

you got balls kid. use them.

njmonkey46
      IB
 
(Baboon, 166
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 2:54pm
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Vectors225's picture

someone who knows what HR

Vectors225
      CF
 
(Orangutan, 372
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 3:05pm
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UFOinsider's picture

Vectors225 wrote: someone who

UFOinsider
      O
 
(Human, 10,349
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 3:08pm

YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
http://www.troll.me/images/red-foreman322/dont-you...

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WalMartShopper's picture

I disagree, this method

WalMartShopper
     
 
(Senior Gorilla, 899
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 3:28pm

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!

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Vectors225's picture

Trying to present a diploma

Vectors225
      CF
 
(Orangutan, 372
 
Points)
 on 10/21/11 at 3:44pm
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