Transfer Dilemma - Many choices

Please pick 5-7 schools out of the following list of schools that there's still time for me to apply to. I'm currently at a non target, trying to transfer into a semi target. I'm looking to get into consulting or s&t preferably without a masters. I definitely plan on keeping at least a 3.7 GPA wherever. I would be applying as a business major to the majority of these, though some only offer econ. Thanks in advance.

Fordham
Villanova
Tulane
Lafayette
Southern Methodist U
Univ. of Maryland College Park
Georgia tech
George Washington Univ.
Univ of Rochester
Univ of Wisconsin
Univ of Richmond
Marquette University
Marist College
Renneslear Polytechnic Institute
University of Florida
University of Illinois Urbana Champagne
SUNY Geneseo (I'd save about 30K if I were to go here)

 
hopingtobreakin:

In what way are any of these schools semi-targets?

Honestly, considering the price & geographic ranges here - you might as well go to NYU, USC, BC, U of T, Penn State, U of Mich. etc.

Too scattered of a list.

These are the schools with june 1st/rolling deadlines. The deadlines for a lot of the schools you mentioned are long gone sadly. I just went through lists of rankings and compiled this list of schools that are reputable, but have later deadlines. IDK if it's worth it sitting out of a semester and applying for spring transfer, since I doubt I'd have much to do (perhaps I may be able to get an internship/coop somehow). My state doesn't have a good state school, so I won't be able to save cash and go to a good school like MI, TX, PA residents are able to.

 
hopingtobreakin:

In what way are any of these schools semi-targets?

Honestly, considering the price & geographic ranges here - you might as well go to NYU, USC, BC, U of T, Penn State, U of Mich. etc.

Too scattered of a list.

He is trying to transfer for the fall and these are the only schools left (judging from the wording in his post). OP, I'd definitely throw in an app to Wisky. They get a ton of RE recruiting and I hear they aren't bad for IBD either.

 
melokid:

Honestly just go for Spring transfer…You only spend one more semester at your non-target, spend Spring adjusting, and then enjoy your last two years at a solid semi-target or target.

I'm a rising junior so take that into consideration. Idk and I doubt that going to school for 5 years makes sense. Also the top 20 schools are insanely hard to get into, and it's no sure thing that you get in without spending an enormous amount of effort on the apps. Even then, it's pretty much a waste of time since business/econ majors are much harder to get into at the top schools since everyone does those majors. My credentials are actually excellent, and the only bad part of my record is a mediocre hs gpa and no "hooks" (i.e. single parent, first generation, military, etc). I'm not trying to get into Goldman/Mckinsey NY or something right away, but I just don't want to get stuck at a regional no name or have to do accounting/corp finance if I don't have to by transferring to a slightly better school.

 
ncostello3:

If you have any interest in doing energy, SMU and Tulane are both targets for Houston.

I definitely wouldn't mind doing energy, as long as it's a decent company. SMU has like a 72% acceptance rate and is in dallas whereas Tulane has a 15% rate and is in nola. I think I'd like Tulane a bit more actually, but I'd love to get your opinion on how it stacks up against UT, Rice, Vandy, UVA, etc for the houston offices.

 
CanadianGekko:

Look it up yourself dude! It is just a few clicks away. Why do you need to have WSO do it for you! An attitude like that won't get you far in finance. And btw, most of these schools aren't semi-targets.

I've already looked them up on linkedin. Most have a few people at a few banks/boutiques. But I don't know whether it's due to the amount of kids interested in IBD and networked or whether it's due to OCR. Theoretically, I could be that top 1%er from my current school who makes it to a decent place, but I'm looking for a school that will ensure a greater degree of success given the same effort. FWIW from what I found, Tulane and Villanova look the best, but various posters have recommended fordham, and uiuc. However, according to my linkedin (which is clearly affected/biased by my contacts), fordham kids do awfully given their location and natural inclination to finance being in NY and UIUC/UW kids get stuck at rw baird type places though they do send a few kids to BBs in Chicago as well.

 
tkid3400:

Please pick 5-7 schools out of the following list of schools that there's still time for me to apply to. I'm currently at a non target, trying to transfer into a semi target. I'm looking to get into consulting or s&t preferably without a masters. I definitely plan on keeping at least a 3.7 GPA wherever. I would be applying as a business major to the majority of these, though some only offer econ. Thanks in advance.

Fordham
Villanova
Tulane
Lafayette
Southern Methodist U
Univ. of Maryland College Park
Georgia tech
George Washington Univ.
Univ of Rochester
Univ of Wisconsin
Marquette University
Marist College
Renneslear Polytechnic Institute
University of Florida
University of Illinois Urbana Champagne
SUNY Geneseo (I'd save about 30K if I were to go here)

  1. UIUC
  2. Wisconsin
  3. GA Tech
  4. Florida
  5. Nova
 
BTbanker:
TechBanking:

1. UIUC
2. Wisconsin
3. GA Tech
4. Florida
5. Nova

Agree with this...

Also, is IU in the same group with Mich, UVA, penn state, etc?

UVA and Mich are above IU. IU is above Penn State. Not sure why you ranked them like that, but I'd be more inclined to put it something like:

1) Wisconsin or Villianova 2) UIUC or Rochester 3) Fordham or GA Tech 4) Rensaeller/SMU/GWU/UofF

I'd apply to the top 6 listed

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What more input do you want? This is pretty cut and dry, but I'll break it down so it's even easier for you:

1) Consulting is going to be a long shot at any of these schools. I don't think any of these are a good bet for that career, but Villanova is probably your best bet (U of Rochester maybe, but I don't really know anything about the school).

2) S&T is definitely possible if you show an interest in trading/markets (and are decently personable, have to have the trader mentality). Your best bet is probably going to be, in order of what I think: First: Wisconsin/Villanova/UIUC/Rochester Second: Fordham/GA Tech Third: Richmond (I only say Richmond because I've heard a few people mention it recently. It's not bad if you want to stay in DC) Honorable mentions: -Renssaeler: Good school, don't know much about it -SMU: maybe in Dallas/Houston for energy trading -GWU: proximity to DC is nice, might be able to pull something out here. You are competing with Georgetown, Washington & Lee, and UVA though -Tulane: again, maybe in Dallas/Houston for energy trading

I'd say apply to Wisconsin, Villanova, UIUC, and Rochester AT LEAST. From there, pick two of the others that you like/think are a backup. And you better get this shit done YESTERDAY. They may accept applications up until the deadline, that doesn't mean they haven't filled all of their spots already. Get moving, NOW.

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Just curious why Wisconsin is getting rated higher than UIUC? I'm old and disconnected from u-grad recruiting, but I've met very few Wisky grads in Wall St jobs over the course of my career and lots of UIUC grads. I've always viewed Wisky as strong in humanities than business. Have things changed recently?

Of the Big 10 schools UIUC really used to only be behind Michigan for IB and S&T recruiting and ahead of IU, NW and Wisconsin. Are they slipping?

 

I know barely any UIUC in NY IB, many in Chicago.

UW is a much more national school, bigger undergrad pull from the East Coast, similar to IU.

UIUC isn't necessarily slipping, I just don't think, given an in-state student % of 95% (or more), makes NYC IB recruiting a priority. IU gets 40% of its students from out of state and I'd guess Kelley is even higher. UW and Michigan also get a much larger number of out-of-staters.

 
peinvestor2012:

I know barely any UIUC in NY IB, many in Chicago.

UW is a much more national school, bigger undergrad pull from the East Coast, similar to IU.

UIUC isn't necessarily slipping, I just don't think, given an in-state student % of 95% (or more), makes NYC IB recruiting a priority. IU gets 40% of its students from out of state and I'd guess Kelley is even higher. UW and Michigan also get a much larger number of out-of-staters.

Thanks for the response. UIUC used to be a strong semi-target or a target for most of the BBs in NYC, except MS and Bear back in the day. In my banking analyst class at a BB in NY, UIUC had the second most analysts behind only Wharton, although two of us were laterals (I was one of the two). At that time (early 2000's) Wisconsin had almost no representation in BB analyst classes.

The mostly in -state ratio isn't much different. UIUC has a much larger intl student population than out of state, likely because of the engineering program.

 
TechBanking:
peinvestor2012:

I know barely any UIUC in NY IB, many in Chicago.
UW is a much more national school, bigger undergrad pull from the East Coast, similar to IU.
UIUC isn't necessarily slipping, I just don't think, given an in-state student % of 95% (or more), makes NYC IB recruiting a priority. IU gets 40% of its students from out of state and I'd guess Kelley is even higher. UW and Michigan also get a much larger number of out-of-staters.

Thanks for the response. UIUC used to be a strong semi-target or a target for most of the BBs in NYC, except MS and Bear back in the day. In my banking analyst class at a BB in NY, UIUC had the second most analysts behind only Wharton, although two of us were laterals (I was one of the two). At that time (early 2000's) Wisconsin had almost no representation in BB analyst classes.

The mostly in -state ratio isn't much different. UIUC has a much larger intl student population than out of state, likely because of the engineering program.

Interesting, didn't realize how strong it was back then. I think UIUC is known for its accounting program first in the business school (undergrad or grad). It seems that is the primary focus.

I just refereshed my data and in aggregate, only 15% of students are out of state for UIUC, 13% being international students. That leaves very little room for anyone else from outside of the state.

UW is 34% out of state (strong East Coast pipeline) and IU's 2013 class was 45% out of state (strong East Coast pipeline).

That doesn't mean UIUC doesn't have some reputation, but I generally associate it with Chicago BB or MM IB and PE.

 

Either way, you can't go wrong with either of them if you're going to be a top performer.

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tkid3400:
ncostello3:

If you have any interest in doing energy, SMU and Tulane are both targets for Houston.

I definitely wouldn't mind doing energy, as long as it's a decent company. SMU has like a 72% acceptance rate and is in dallas whereas Tulane has a 15% rate and is in nola. I think I'd like Tulane a bit more actually, but I'd love to get your opinion on how it stacks up against UT, Rice, Vandy, UVA, etc for the houston offices.

Houston Targets: UT, Texas A&M, Rice, SMU, Tulane Not sure about Vandy, and I get the impression UVA gets more attention from NYC

 
Alexander Supertramp:
tkid3400:


ncostello3:

If you have any interest in doing energy, SMU and Tulane are both targets for Houston.

I definitely wouldn't mind doing energy, as long as it's a decent company. SMU has like a 72% acceptance rate and is in dallas whereas Tulane has a 15% rate and is in nola. I think I'd like Tulane a bit more actually, but I'd love to get your opinion on how it stacks up against UT, Rice, Vandy, UVA, etc for the houston offices.

Houston Targets: UT, Texas A&M, Rice, SMU, Tulane
Not sure about Vandy, and I get the impression UVA gets more attention from NYC

We get that you think Tulane is a target (even if it's just for Houston), but that school is a fucking joke so stop.

 
RainMayKer:
Alexander Supertramp:
tkid3400:

ncostello3:

If you have any interest in doing energy, SMU and Tulane are both targets for Houston.

I definitely wouldn't mind doing energy, as long as it's a decent company. SMU has like a 72% acceptance rate and is in dallas whereas Tulane has a 15% rate and is in nola. I think I'd like Tulane a bit more actually, but I'd love to get your opinion on how it stacks up against UT, Rice, Vandy, UVA, etc for the houston offices.

Houston Targets: UT, Texas A&M, Rice, SMU, Tulane
Not sure about Vandy, and I get the impression UVA gets more attention from NYC

We get that you think Tulane is a target (even if it's just for Houston), but that school is a fucking joke so stop.

Would you suggest someone go to Harvard over UCLA if their goal was to get into the NBA? Lin aside it would be a foolish recommendation. If you want to work in energy banking you go to the Houston target schools even if you think they are a joke.
Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 

Yar. Though you better be 100% sure about your choice (and you're probably not, even if you think you are).

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RainMayKer:
Alexander Supertramp:
tkid3400:

ncostello3:

If you have any interest in doing energy, SMU and Tulane are both targets for Houston.

I definitely wouldn't mind doing energy, as long as it's a decent company. SMU has like a 72% acceptance rate and is in dallas whereas Tulane has a 15% rate and is in nola. I think I'd like Tulane a bit more actually, but I'd love to get your opinion on how it stacks up against UT, Rice, Vandy, UVA, etc for the houston offices.

Houston Targets: UT, Texas A&M, Rice, SMU, Tulane
Not sure about Vandy, and I get the impression UVA gets more attention from NYC

We get that you think Tulane is a target (even if it's just for Houston), but that school is a fucking joke so stop.

Well since several BBs go to all of those schools, all would be semi-targets. So before you go and be a dick at least be right.

 
RainMayKer:
Alexander Supertramp:
tkid3400:

ncostello3:

If you have any interest in doing energy, SMU and Tulane are both targets for Houston.

I definitely wouldn't mind doing energy, as long as it's a decent company. SMU has like a 72% acceptance rate and is in dallas whereas Tulane has a 15% rate and is in nola. I think I'd like Tulane a bit more actually, but I'd love to get your opinion on how it stacks up against UT, Rice, Vandy, UVA, etc for the houston offices.

Houston Targets: UT, Texas A&M, Rice, SMU, Tulane
Not sure about Vandy, and I get the impression UVA gets more attention from NYC

We get that you think Tulane is a target (even if it's just for Houston), but that school is a fucking joke so stop.

I've never heard of Tulane being referred to as a joke. It's around a top 50 in the country and the SAT score average of the business school is ranked 21st out of all undergrad business schools. Recruiting aside, on paper it is academically identical to UT (sans business honors), A&M and SMU.

 
tkid3400:
RainMayKer:
Alexander Supertramp:
tkid3400:

ncostello3:

If you have any interest in doing energy, SMU and Tulane are both targets for Houston.

I definitely wouldn't mind doing energy, as long as it's a decent company. SMU has like a 72% acceptance rate and is in dallas whereas Tulane has a 15% rate and is in nola. I think I'd like Tulane a bit more actually, but I'd love to get your opinion on how it stacks up against UT, Rice, Vandy, UVA, etc for the houston offices.

Houston Targets: UT, Texas A&M, Rice, SMU, Tulane
Not sure about Vandy, and I get the impression UVA gets more attention from NYC

We get that you think Tulane is a target (even if it's just for Houston), but that school is a fucking joke so stop.

I've never heard of Tulane being referred to as a joke. It's around a top 50 in the country and the SAT score average of the business school is ranked 21st out of all undergrad business schools.

I've never met anyone in banking from Tulane and it does not have a strong reputation. Also those rankings that you listed do not improve Tulane's case hahaha.

Also to the guy that made the NBA analogy, that was the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If kids from actual target schools wanted to do energy banking, they (we) would have no problem doing so. However, you will almost NEVER see a kid from Texas A&M, SMU, or Tulane in banking in NYC, Chicago, NY, LA, etc as those schools are nationally considered to be non-targets

 

There are definitely banking connections through Tulane. I don't think it's a target, but definitely a semi-target.

And most people don't consider Tulane a joke, but it isn't held in very high standing either (and this is from people who consider anything out of the top 100 a joke, obviously there are a lot of people out there who would struggle and/or kill to go to Tulane or a similar school). It's seen as Ivy league rejects and rich kids that are just looking to party.

The flip side to that is people respect the degree if you come out with a strong GPA. Strong GPA has different meanings depending on industry/job function. As far as banking goes, I know of a few people (indirectly) that went from Tulane to S&T, IB, etc. No clue whether it was energy or not and I only know for sure of 1 going to both S&T and IB in NYC (not in the same year).

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RainMayKer:
tkid3400:
RainMayKer:
Alexander Supertramp:
tkid3400:

ncostello3:

If you have any interest in doing energy, SMU and Tulane are both targets for Houston.

I definitely wouldn't mind doing energy, as long as it's a decent company. SMU has like a 72% acceptance rate and is in dallas whereas Tulane has a 15% rate and is in nola. I think I'd like Tulane a bit more actually, but I'd love to get your opinion on how it stacks up against UT, Rice, Vandy, UVA, etc for the houston offices.

Houston Targets: UT, Texas A&M, Rice, SMU, Tulane
Not sure about Vandy, and I get the impression UVA gets more attention from NYC

We get that you think Tulane is a target (even if it's just for Houston), but that school is a fucking joke so stop.

I've never heard of Tulane being referred to as a joke. It's around a top 50 in the country and the SAT score average of the business school is ranked 21st out of all undergrad business schools.

I've never met anyone in banking from Tulane and it does not have a strong reputation. Also those rankings that you listed do not improve Tulane's case hahaha.

Also to the guy that made the NBA analogy, that was the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If kids from actual target schools wanted to do energy banking, they (we) would have no problem doing so. However, you will almost NEVER see a kid from Texas A&M, SMU, or Tulane in banking in NYC, Chicago, NY, LA, etc as those schools are nationally considered to be non-targets

So The University of Texas isn't a target, yet Goldman sends 3 Senior Partners down to speak to the kids for on campus recruiting trip, one of which was a former head of global equities. I get it you think you are vastly superior to everyone because you go to a target school. But before you make yourself look like more of an idiot I suggest you at least have your facts right. Not to mention I know energy bankers from most of the BB down in Houston, they tell me that while yes the will take NE kids they greatly prefer to take kids from the Gulf region due to their office cultures.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 
heister:
RainMayKer:
tkid3400:
RainMayKer:
Alexander Supertramp:
tkid3400:

I definitely wouldn't mind doing energy, as long as it's a decent company. SMU has like a 72% acceptance rate and is in dallas whereas Tulane has a 15% rate and is in nola. I think I'd like Tulane a bit more actually, but I'd love to get your opinion on how it stacks up against UT, Rice, Vandy, UVA, etc for the houston offices.

Houston Targets: UT, Texas A&M, Rice, SMU, Tulane
Not sure about Vandy, and I get the impression UVA gets more attention from NYC

We get that you think Tulane is a target (even if it's just for Houston), but that school is a fucking joke so stop.

I've never heard of Tulane being referred to as a joke. It's around a top 50 in the country and the SAT score average of the business school is ranked 21st out of all undergrad business schools.

I've never met anyone in banking from Tulane and it does not have a strong reputation. Also those rankings that you listed do not improve Tulane's case hahaha.

Also to the guy that made the NBA analogy, that was the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If kids from actual target schools wanted to do energy banking, they (we) would have no problem doing so. However, you will almost NEVER see a kid from Texas A&M, SMU, or Tulane in banking in NYC, Chicago, NY, LA, etc as those schools are nationally considered to be non-targets

So The University of Texas isn't a target, yet Goldman sends 3 Senior Partners down to speak to the kids for on campus recruiting trip, one of which was a former head of global equities. I get it you think you are vastly superior to everyone because you go to a target school. But before you make yourself look like more of an idiot I suggest you at least have your facts right. Not to mention I know energy bankers from most of the BBs down in Houston, they tell me that while yes the will take NE kids they greatly prefer to take kids from the Gulf region due to their office cultures.

Before you call me an idiot you might want to work on your reading comprehension skills. Not once did I mention the University of Texas (Austin) in any of my posts because I do respect it as a school and I agree that it is fair to consider it a high semi-target or even a target for many offices.

Better work on that attention to detail, bud

 
RainMayKer:
heister:
RainMayKer:
tkid3400:
RainMayKer:
Alexander Supertramp:

Houston Targets: UT, Texas A&M, Rice, SMU, Tulane
Not sure about Vandy, and I get the impression UVA gets more attention from NYC

We get that you think Tulane is a target (even if it's just for Houston), but that school is a fucking joke so stop.

I've never heard of Tulane being referred to as a joke. It's around a top 50 in the country and the SAT score average of the business school is ranked 21st out of all undergrad business schools.

I've never met anyone in banking from Tulane and it does not have a strong reputation. Also those rankings that you listed do not improve Tulane's case hahaha.

Also to the guy that made the NBA analogy, that was the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If kids from actual target schools wanted to do energy banking, they (we) would have no problem doing so. However, you will almost NEVER see a kid from Texas A&M, SMU, or Tulane in banking in NYC, Chicago, NY, LA, etc as those schools are nationally considered to be non-targets

So The University of Texas isn't a target, yet Goldman sends 3 Senior Partners down to speak to the kids for on campus recruiting trip, one of which was a former head of global equities. I get it you think you are vastly superior to everyone because you go to a target school. But before you make yourself look like more of an idiot I suggest you at least have your facts right. Not to mention I know energy bankers from most of the BBs down in Houston, they tell me that while yes the will take NE kids they greatly prefer to take kids from the Gulf region due to their office cultures.

Before you call me an idiot you might want to work on your reading comprehension skills. Not once did I mention the University of Texas (Austin) in any of my posts because I do respect it as a school and I agree that it is fair to consider it a high semi-target or even a target for many offices.

Better work on that attention to detail, bud

Attention to detail you say? You might not have specifically mentioned it, but you had for the running entirety of this thread lumped pretty much all non major targets into one group. So someone with any reading comprehension skills would formulate the belief that you are continuing your current thought tangent. Over the course of the thread it is clear you are opening your mouth for 2 reasons. 1 to shit on any school that you don't think is worthy of any praise because its not super elite. 2 to continue to make yourself look like a fool by talking about things you know little about.

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Awww sheeeit, bringin' the heat dawg.

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heister:

Attention to detail you say? You might not have specifically mentioned it, but you had for the running entirety of this thread lumped pretty much all non major targets into one group. So someone with any reading comprehension skills would formulate the belief that you are continuing your current thought tangent. Over the course of the thread it is clear you are opening your mouth for 2 reasons. 1 to shit on any school that you don't think is worthy of any praise because its not super elite. 2 to continue to make yourself look like a fool by talking about things you know little about.

Really? REALLY? This is the best response you could come up with?

Sorry man, you're simply wrong. I listed the three schools (Tulane, SMU, Texas A&M) from that post that I would consider non-targets and did not include the schools from that list that I consider respectable (UTA, Rice, Vandy). There was no "lumping" or "grouping" going on...I was very specific about what I said.

And I do know what I'm talking about, I was offered a lateral move to a Houston BB at one point but turned it down.

I agree that there are cultural differences in the Houston offices. However, all other things being equal, the kid from a real target (ranging from Harvard to Stanford to UTA) will get picked every time over the kid from SMU or Tulane

 

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