Transfer to target school?
Currently a junior about to be a senior debating transferring to a target school. Don't really have a problem with taking an extra year if it means I have a better chance of landing an internship in IB or PE. Have a 3.9 at a non-target, but my main goal right now is to land the best experience possible and I feel I can only do that at a top school; am I wrong? Have decent work experience at a few boutique firms but nothing related to IB.
Got into some top schools, but didn't go because I didn't want to take out debt. Or should I just stay at the non-target and apply? If you do suggest transferring, what schools would be the best bet?
There's a lot of threads on this if you search around. No right or wrong answer really, but i'm confused are you going to be a junior or senior this year? You said you're looking for an internship so i'm assuming junior, but if you'll be senior I don't see the point in transferring. Anywhere you go you'll be putting in the same amount of effort trying to break in
Most target schools probably won't allow you to transfer with the number of credits you already have
I transferred to a target school as a rising senior. Although I had a ton of credits, target schools require that you stay 2 full years at their university before getting a degree. For you, that means you wouldn't graduate until 2020. Pros: OCR, you get to recruit for internships as a "junior", and you get a brand name school on your resume. Cons: It will have taken you 6 years to finish undergrad, recruiters will most likely questions why you decided to transfer after you were already eligible to graduate, and you will NOT have a relevant GPA while recruiting your first year. My recommendation: Either consider non-MBA masters programs or get some decent work experience after you graduate (get paid instead of taking on more debt for more school), do your MBA at a target school, and then recruit for IB. If you insist on transferring, there is a thread on WSO that I used as a guide--I think it was called, "Transfer friendly target schools." It will be extremely unlikely any target school will take you at this point, but if you're willing to apply to numerous schools, including some semi-targets, I'm sure you can find one that will take you.
Are you a rising senior (i.e. you've completed your junior year and are about to start your senior/final year in undergrad?)? Have you had any internships yet?
I am not sure if many target schools (thinking mainly of ivies) take rising seniors. Of the top of my head, I know Duke does, but that's it.
Should I transfer to a target school? (Originally Posted: 10/23/2013)
I'll be attending a good private university next year, and I plan on majoring in Accounting (it has an excellent program). It isn't a target school, but it sends its fair share of students to BB's; however, most of them have near 4.0's, excellent EC's, good connections, and luck. Even with all of this, the chances probably still aren't great. I'm pretty sure I could do similarly (with perhaps a 3.8), but I doubt this would make me stand out. Would transferring to a target school and getting a slightly lower GPA be worth it? If I were to transfer, I'd probably major in Econ or Finance. What GPA would I need to have a good shot at breaking in? Would knowing Chinese fluently give me an edge?
As a side note, if I didn't transfer (either I didn't get in or decided to stay) and didn't get into IB out of undergrad, I'd probably work for a Big 4 and work my way up to TAS. After which, I'd try to get into a top B-School and try to break in as an associate. Good plan? Or are there any easier ways to get into B-School?
One question at a time. But firstly, you should know this has been covered EXTENSIVELY on this website- use the search function and you will be able to read a LOT about potentially transferring, the costs and benefits.
1) Yes, transferring and getting a slightly lower GPA would be worth it. While you will probably get interviews if you have good EC's etc with a GPA of 3.5+, you need a 3.7+ for your given majors to be safely competitive, even at a target.
2) I don't think knowing Chinese fluently would give you an edge. Maybe an interesting talking point, but you're not going to use it in your day-to-day job as an IB analyst.
3) Your plan will take a long time, if you start in big 4 and do it that way. Probably 6 years at least (4 work, 2 school) before you could go to something like IB. There are slightly easier ways into b-school, in that you could get in to a top b-school even from something like audit, if your application is strong and well-rounded. However, without TAS/other IB-like or IB experience, you may even struggle a bit to get IB after.
Bottom line- ABSOLUTELY transfer if you have the opportunity and think your current school will make it unnecessarily hard to get to where you want to go. If you're going to a private university anyway, the cost probably won't be hugely different and the benefits will be huge.
The nail that sticks out (non-target applicants in this case) gets hammered. Transfer to a target and get at least a 3.5 GPA if you want a solid shot.
If you really can speak (+ read and write) Chinese fluently, why not Hong Kong instead? Competition's still tough, but arguably less so than New York.
The fact that you are thinking about this now means that you are probably way ahead of the curve compared to most people. I didn't consider IBD until late Sophomore year. Figure out who the alumni are in the industry and reach out to those people asking for advice and talk to them about their path. Also find out who the seniors are that had SA positions at BB banks and build a relationship with them as early as possible. The easiest way to get an interview is by having alumni vouch for you along the way. Most people will be more than willing to help and everyone wants kids from their alma mater to join their firm. Best of luck
If your end goal is IBD why don't you skip the accounting and go directly for IBD? Even a boutique experience will be better than TAS.
What is the competition like for boutiques? Could someone with my (expected) stats have a good shot at getting in? Also, is it common to move into a BB after experience at a boutique?
what is this 3.5 shit for targets? if you don't network your ass off, you're not getting interviews with a 3.5 (unless maybe you're an engineer/pure math/varsity athlete)
Everyone here is posting good advice but some seem to be forgetting to answer the original question- to reiterate, yes, absolutely transfer to a target if you can.
Yes. I made the mistake of thinking undergrad doesnt matter. It's most important for finance. Take easy classes, get a 3.8+ and transfer to the best school you can. Cornell ILR takes a lot of people as does NYU stern.
As it so happens, I've been looking into both of those schools; however, I've heard that just about every finance major at NYU tries to get into IB. Do BB's only interview a certain number of people from each school, or will they interview everyone with certain stats?
Yes.
Yeah
Without a doubt, transfer.
As a random note, does anyone know how well MM's and boutiques are viewed by adcoms for B-School? I've heard that if you've worked at a BB, you can pretty much choose your school. How much harder is it if you didn't work at a BB?
Definitely transfer. It will be a hassle/more work in the short term but it will save you many years.
Are you seriously thinking about b-school and transferring before even entering a college? Chill out. It is better to transfer definitely, but first go to the college and get awesome grades there. It does little to talk about it on this board. Everyone knows that superb grades at a target are better than superb grades at a semi-target. Also, give your school a fair shot. Don't enter the place knowing you will transfer. That year will be miserable.
Transferring to a Target School with a high SAT/GPA? (Originally Posted: 08/04/2011)
I'm currently a second year student at the University of Toronto double majoring in Math and Economics with a 4.0 GPA (Top 1% in Program). Previously, I had always imagined myself pursuing a career in academia but after interning for my prof and a local IB boutique, I've realized this is no longer the case. I now desperately want to break into IB, particularly ones that focus on the SF/LA markets (i.e media).
As we all know UofT is not a target school nor is it a semi-target in Canada and certainly not in the US. To remedy this, I'm planning to transfer to at least a semi-target for IB.
Looking over the requirements to transfer into the Richard Ivey School of Business, I'm sure I'll be able to get in. Would it be worth it to apply to some American schools as well, and if so, which ones? I'm currently eyeing HYPS/Wharton/Haas/Cornell/Duke/Columbia/MIT. I'm not sure about any other schools though or if they would be better than Ivey as Ivey seems to have a pretty good placement track record.
I have the academic credentials (SAT 2350; good university GPA) and the extra curricular activities (EC's with leadership) for most if not all schools but I'm not sure if my high school marks would cut it, I slacked off quite a bit since Canadian universities only looked at your final school year marks and even then, I still slacked off a lot (95% to 60% in AP Biology) when I was accepted into my desired university.
Or would it make more sense to apply to a target school for graduate studies (Maybe a Masters in Management Science and Engineering at Stanford?).
I appreciate any suggestions or insights the community may have for me and I would like to thank (and apologize to) the community in advance for reading my wall of text.
If you want to do IB, I would view it as counterproductive to apply to masters programs for science/engineering. Also, you should certainly consider American schools, especially given your stellar performance at U of T. FYI- Harvard and Princeton do not take transfer students, well that's not entirely true, Harvard takes transfers from Deep Springs and Deep Spring only. If you want to stay in Canada post-uni, transfer to Ivey. I wouldn't worry about your high school transcript.
Would Management Science be counterproductive? I was always under the impression that it placed well in banking especially areas that was quant heavy. Or is it only true for the undergraduate program.
Ivey's good enough if you can get in.
Keep in mind that as an international transfer, you're not eligible for any kind of financial aid. If you're ok with spending 60,000-65,000/year on undergrad, then go ahead. Otherwise, stick to Ivey. It has fantastic placement.
I'm not worried about student debt, I have a rather large scholarship fund that can be used towards American schools too.
P almost never takes transfers. Cross that off. H takes a surprisingly large amount.
Dude you're going to pile on an insane amount of debt xfering cross borders.
Harvard - This year's transfer admission figures (2011):
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/transfer-students/1098136-official-…
^ That's a discussion by this year's transfer applicants to Harvard. Go to post # 464.
Harvard - Last year's transfer admission figures (2010):
http://collegesearch.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeI…
Admission to Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Columbia, Duke - type schools as a transfer, and ESPECIALLY as an international transfer, is next to impossible. Don't waste your time unless you're the next Einstein.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Princeton hasn't had a transfer program for almost 8 years now. They don't even CONSIDER applications from transfers.
Well that explains it. I NEVER met a transfer the whole time I was there. I assumed they had one like the rest of the Ivies, but apparently not.
I have met some marginal people who got high GPAs from the semitargets who transferred to P and H however. This is many years back and it looks like it got more competitive since then.
Also, are the placement differences between Ivey and HYPS/Wharton significantly different to warrant a $40,000 tuition difference? Or is it possible to get that elusive Disney Strategic Consulting job/GS NY Analyst Job/McKinsey consulting job (consulting isn't necessarily a desired career path, just wondering) with Ivey and persistent networking?
In addition, thanks for all the suggestions/replies, I greatly appreciate it.
One thing that no one has mentioned is the OP's desire to work in media banking, specifically in SF/LA. Not sure if Stanford accepts transfers. UCB and UCLA are extremely picky with out of state students, let alone international students. I'd say both those schools are 80%+ in state students. You definitely have the grades/SAT to transfer to USC, not too difficult to transfer into there. USC also does OCR with some reputable banks in the area, so give it a look if you're interested.
I know someone from UBC that was able to transfer to Stanford after his freshman year who did not have comparable academic credentials (~2200 SAT/3.75GPA) but did have a strong high school GPA (4.0/top5%). I'm hoping to be able to go down a similar path but it seems Ivey is my most likely school of the future.
have you thought about schools with 2-3 year business programs that you could "complete" duke, emory and michigan all come to mind clearly targets as well, plus it solves the why did you transfer issue nicely
I have looked at Duke but as a whole, American schools are vastly different from Canadian ones. There are certain requirements that seem strange to me as a Canadian applicant such as the Wharton's foreign language proficiency exams or Columbia's Core breadth requirements or the strict graduate-in-8-semesters-or-GTFO requirements.
I'm unsure of Emory and Michigan, I don't think I would be able to justify going to such schools (relatively unknown to my parents).
Transfer experience to a target/semi target? (Originally Posted: 03/21/2013)
Currently at a non target and have sent out applications to a few schools. I was wondering how the experience was transferring to a target/semi-target regarding adjustment to courses and working with the career center/recruiters to get into IB.
your question was so vague there's not much to tell you. i transferred from community college to ivy league. material taught at courses is much the same but the professors push you much harder by automatically assuming that you understand the material and by challenging you to think beyond just remembering facts that are taught in the class/book.
career centers/recruiting/alumni are INFINITELY better resources and alone worth the price of admission. you'll learn most everything you need on the job anyway
It depends entirely on the school from what i've seen
do you mind naming the schools kyleyboy?
Should I transfer? Non target (Originally Posted: 07/22/2015)
Hey Monkeys,
I attend an extremely non-target school on the east cost. I am about to start my junior year and I am seriously considering transferring schools. I have a 3.8 cumulative and 4.0 finance major GPA, bunch of extra activities and I have two internships completed one working for a bulge bracket bank (for their technology department) as a high school senior and one now for a small financial planning shop. My SAT score was terrible I was a terrible test taker back in hs and been kicking myself in the head for years now 1450 out of 2400 My family lives in NYC so I want to transfer somewhere there, but I am open to other suggestions. Bottom line: what are my best options and is it even worth at this point. I have the option to graduate early idk if that should be considered if I want to break into IB. Been networking aggressively and everybody I speak to says that I would be an ideal candidate for IB and the only thing holding me back is my school. Thanks in advance for your opinions fellow monkeys.
BigApeMike718
Don't let your school hold you back; I also went to a northeast non-target and managed to get into a HF. If there's respectable firms near your school/home, then I would try networking there. If that's not the case, then maybe look into transferring; if that's your actual GPA it shouldn't be hard at all
transferring from in-state school to target school (Originally Posted: 12/17/2016)
I'm currently a student at the University of Virginia and completed the semester with a 3.8, should I try to transfer to a target school like Dartmouth or UPenn?
No, Virginia is a target school. Congrats on the GPA. That's solid
Don't transfer
Get into McIntire and you'll be fine
Non target to target transfer? (Originally Posted: 02/03/2010)
I know this topic has come up a tremendous amount of times, but here we go again.
I graduated with my undergrad from a target / semi target and went to work for ing in pwm. I later realized I wanted to be in IB and decided to go back to school. I'm getting my masters in Econ and finance at a non target and am debating transferrig back to my Alma matter. The dilemma I face is that I was offered a GA position at my current school and my tuition is waived, along with a monthly stipend. I barely take out any loans to attend grad school. Now of course if I transfer back to my Alma matter I won't have those benefits. I have been invited to a few superdays for intern positions but have not landed an offer. I know my technicals and plan on taking level 1 in december.
I am not sure if transferring makes sense cost wise but they do recruit for IB at the target. The difference in cost to me are roughly 50k a yr. I can also still use the targets career services.
Thoughts?
You can always make it back your first year. Or if you really want the higher education from a target, get an MBA
Non-Target Transfer (Originally Posted: 06/05/2012)
So I currently attend Bryant University in Smithfield RI and am a rising sophomore finance-major.
I recently got accepted to Bentley University and was wondering if you guys value one school over the other? If you had a resume from a bentley kid and bryant kid and everything was equal (GPA, leadership positions, good personality etc) which school would you go with?
I hear Bentley is better for finance/accounting and is ranked slightly higher overall than Bryant. However I already have set myself up for some leadership positions in the clubs a finance major would find interesting at Bryant and have been actively reaching out/meeting with Bryant Alumni since December. I also have a great group of friends there and I am pretty satisfied with things.
However, I think Bentley is overall the better choice. It was also my #1 choice to attend college, and now I have that opportunity. I am told a few BB's recruit there with their close proximity to Boston (where as Bryant is in the middle of no-where) their trading room is second to none, and overall I think Bentley would better prepare a finance major for work in IB.
This decision is proving to be much harder than I thought now that I have been accepted. Which school do you guys prefer?
Thanks in advance for your help.
I frankly have never heard of either school.
Never heard of either.
I believe Bentley will provide you with better opportunities.
I've heard of the car brand--nah just kidding. Checking the employee information of Bridgewater Associates, I've first came across the name Bentley University. The guy later got a MBA business schools">M7 MBA I think. It seems to me that kids like us who don't go to target schools mostly need to get a MBA business schools">M7 MBA to make a breakthrough later in our career. But there's no need if you are a rockstar.
Sorry for hijacking your thread. How is UCLA economics? I think the school is great but not a lot of finance recruits from the east coast. I'm thinking about getting a high GPA and transfer to somewhere like Columbia in my sophomore year.
Never heard of either school, and it's hard for me to believe that BBs recruit for FO IBD positions at Bentley. Pick the school you like most, get the best grades possible, and network hard.
Bentley is better, but not an enormous upgrade. Bentley is strong in accounting while Bryant has more of an asset management focus (although I've never heard of any Bryant alums killing it). That being said Bryant is kind of a joke on the east coast and Bentley is somewhat more respected.
Thanks guys!
Bentley has recently improved its placement in BB IB, ST positions. Class of '12 placed 6-8 IB analysts and at least 2 traders at BBs. And BBs are now recruiting IB analysts at Bentley, for the first time posting summer analyst positons on the undergraduate career website. Its extremely competitive however because there are of course less positions available for bentley students than other target schools.
Pretty much every student from Bentley '12 that wanted and worked hard enough to get into investment banking has found a position, whether in the BB bracket or MM.
Considering transferring into a Target- advice please! (Originally Posted: 02/03/2013)
I'm a Freshman at a lower tier Big 10 school.
HS Stats- 3.9 GPA, 31 ACT College - 3.8 First semester, two executive positions in clubs, on Dean's advisory council, secured F100 finance internship this summer.
I'm thinking about transferring into a really good semi target or a target school to increase chance of BB IBD and a better network in the future.
Could you guys list some target schools that accept good amount of transfers and will provide excellent IBD recruiting? I think Cornell is a good one.
EDIT: Do you guys think it's worth it for me to try to transfer to a target? My school (MSU/Wis/Iowa) has a tailored club that sends 5~10 kids to BB and MM IBD every year, and I'm pretty confident that I will be among those. The only reason why I'm thinking about transferring is for better network in the future when I try to jump to and build a career on the Buyside.
Is it worth it to pay extra ~30k a year (family EFC is probably like 30k) have to start over socially, risk not being able to get a good GPA, for the reason listed above?
Penn is good, as is Columbia. Other similar schools are significantly harder to get into but they're worth a shot (Yale, Stanford, Dartmouth, Duke).
Is financial aid a concern?
Since you're in the Midwest - IU Kelley, Northwestern, Michigan, UChicago. Others: NYU Stern, Penn, Cornell, Duke, UVA, UNC, Vanderbilt.
Stanford is not worth the application fee, you won't get in unless you have a non-traditional background.
^^these schools will give you a good shot
I hate to say this, but transfer admission to a target or semi-target is extremely difficult, even with your stats. I highly, highly recommend that you read the following thread to understand how hard it is to transfer to a top 25 school. This thread includes the most recent transfer acceptance rates and explain some crucial details about the transfer process. http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/transfer-students/1362873-transfer-…
I almost xfered to UVA [they rejected me for UG intitially] but they require 2 years foreign language
Please read the EDIT in my post and give me some insights. Appreciate it. Thanks.
No offense, but I don't see why you're worrying about whether to transfer to a target. FYI, Target = UChicago, Penn (Wharton), and HYPSM. These schools accept less than 5% of transfers (on average), so there's virtually no way you'll get in (sorry, transfer admission is to top schools is just that competitive).
If you're aiming for colleges in the top 11-30 however, I think transferring would be a good option. Don't get me wrong, prestigious schools in that bracket, like Northwestern, Cornell, and Brown, still have extremely low transfer acceptance rates. The silver lining, however, is that top public targets (UMichigan, UVA, UC Berkeley, etc.) accept a fairly high number of transfer students. In fact some schools, like Vanderbilt and Notre Dame, accept a greater % of transfers than freshman.
Also, to address your new question, I think you should transfer if its financially feasible. Many private colleges don't give aid to transfers and public schools won't give aid unless you're in-state (in most cases). If your EFC is only 30k, transferring will probably increase your student debt significantly. If I were in your position though, I would definitely try to transfer. Five to ten students is a minuscule amount at MSU (or Wis/Iowa). Thus, you probably have a better chance of transferring to a semi-target than being admitted to that program.
I transferred from a state school to a target school. From what I understand:
Harvard, Yale, Stanford - ridiculously hard to get into. Princeton doesn't take transfer students. Penn (Wharton) is also very difficult. Columbia is difficult (~7%) but feasible. Penn (non-Wharton) is difficult but feasible as well (probably around same acceptance rate as Columbia). Dartmouth is very difficult (~3% if I recall correctly). Brown is need-aware - not really worth it unless you're rich. Cornell is also need-aware, and while it has a high acceptance rate, there are a lot of guarantee transfers and that skews the numbers. It's unclear how easy/hard it actually is to transfer in.
Schools of note include Vanderbilt (high acceptance rate) and Michigan (really high acceptance rate). Both are good for banking - but with your stats, put some safety schools and apply for the targets. Worst case scenario - you don't get in.
PM me if you have any other questions about the process.
Target Schools - Should I transfer to a target? (Originally Posted: 07/29/2013)
I heard a lot like IBs just like students from target schools/good M.Fin programs like students from target schools. So confused what I should do as I'm now in a liberal arts college. Transfer to a target school?
Depends on which year you are in, but generally speaking, yes, you should transfer to a target school if you can. I have no idea about your background and why you are mentioning target schools as well as Mfin programs in the same sentence (THEY ARE NOT THE SAME).
Thanks!!! I'm going to be a sophomore in Sept. I should make that clear---I was mentioning both because I'm thinking of getting a job after getting a bachelor degree or applying to Mfin programs.
Transfer to a target school whenever possible. You will benefit in the future.
Thanks! I gonna do the transfer this fall. Hope I can make it...
Thanks for the new insights!
Y did I get MS ?? I just said the truth though.
liberal arts college =/= non-target
Transfer Advice: Non-target to a target? (Originally Posted: 05/14/2014)
I just finished my freshman year at an extreme non-target (Allegheny College in PA ranked #82 LAC by USNews) and I am interested in transferring for Junior standing to some semi-targets/targets such as UVA, UofM, Gtown, UPenn, Swarthmore, NYU, Wake Forest, CMU and Duke. I ended my freshman year with a 3.825 GPA. To talk about things besides my grades, I already have an internship lined up for this summer with Wealth Management Partners in Pittsburgh. Also, I will be helping a teacher design a course in Health Care Economics beginning next semester. I don't think that my high school record will have much bearing because I will have two years under my belt before I would transfer in but I had a 3.95 in high school (top 15%) and SATs: 1810 (LOW) ACT: 28. Finally, I plan on applying to these schools as an Econ major because I feel like this is what will give me the highest chances to get in (because many of these schools have top B-Schools that are virtually impossible to transfer into). Any insight would be awesome. Thanks and I apologize for the long-winded question!
Could anyone give some insight?
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/blog/the-comprehensive-list-of-transfer-…
You can find more info by searching the keyword transfer. I'm someone who just went thru the transfer process (rising junior). I had the same act but a higher gpa than yours. I got in at Cornell, WL at Brown, and rejected at UPenn.
I just got into two Ivies (think Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown level) and G'town off the transfer. I will admit my stats were higher. I had a 4.0 in the fall, a 2250+ SAT, and I went to a well-known public university (semi-target) as well as a really good high school.
It's certainly possible to get in, but it might be a little harder. I would definitely apply because going to a better school will always help with recruiting. PM me and I'll give you more information.
Thanks for the responses. Just PM'ed you brickkilledaguy.
Non-target transfer Advice (Originally Posted: 07/22/2015)
Hey Monkeys,
I attend an extremely non-target school on the east cost. I am about to start my junior year and I am seriously considering transferring schools. I have a 3.8 cumulative and 4.0 finance major GPA, bunch of extra activities and I have two internships completed one working for a bulge bracket bank (for their technology department) as a high school senior and one now for a small financial planning shop. My SAT score was terrible I was a terrible test taker back in hs and been kicking myself in the head for years now 1450 out of 2400 My family lives in NYC so I want to transfer somewhere there, but I am open to other suggestions. Bottom line: what are my best options and is it even worth at this point. I have the option to graduate early idk if that should be considered if I want to break into IB. Been networking aggressively and everybody I speak to says that I would be an ideal candidate for IB and the only thing holding me back is my school. Thanks in advance for your opinions fellow monkeys.
BigApeMike718
the only options are the ones that accepts you.
apply to about 3 reach, 5 targets, 3 safetys should do. you can increase/decrease the number of schools you apply based on your budget in $$ and time.
Does anyone have advice for all the non-targets looking to transfer to targets for soph/junior year? (Originally Posted: 10/18/2016)
A lot of us on this forum go to non-target schools, but it seems that a some monkeys on here have had success transferring to a ivy/target school. Since we're mid-way through the Fall semester, I wanted to see if anyone had advice with regards to transfer applications.
Personally, I'm struggling a little bit with my essays, as I already go to a top 50 school, am applying for the same major, and don't have any extraordinary tragedies in my life I've had to overcome.
1) Transfer after freshman year. Building your network requires being on campus to take classes, meet students, join clubs. If you transfer in as a Junior it will be a lot more difficult. I even got recruited my sophomore spring that put me on a short list for Junior summer (I'm a straight white male btw)
2) Get a 3.8+ or above. You can't transfer to a good target and not have a high GPA. You also won't get any interviews with a low GPA.
3) Tragedy isn't needed to get into the Ivy League/ top 15 schools. In fact, the majority of the student body at top schools comes from a pretty normal, privileged background. You need to be a dynamic, interesting person. Authenticity is what matter. Not a single transfer I know is here because the University felt bad for them — they deserved it. If you can't think of a good reason to transfer — or can't think of a good bullshit narrative — you won't have any success.
4)Northwestern, Georgetown, Cornell, UVa and Notre Dame are the easiest targets to transfer into.
5) Harvard, Yale, UChicago, Dartmouth, Stanford are the most difficult targets to transfer into
If you successfully build a network with your school's alumni and put in the time and effort, whether it be cold-emailing people etc., then you really should have no reason to transfer to a target school.
Should I Consider Transfering to a Target School? (Originally Posted: 03/08/2017)
Hey everyone.
I've read about transferring to a target school before, but I was wondering what you guys thought of my situation first.
I have a 3.2 GPA from a (I'm guessing on this) non-target school, though it does have a business school. I am finishing up my junior year here at UNCG, and I want the best opportunities possible for getting into IB.
Should I transfer?
Ask yourself if your current school has a record of stable ib placement
It doesn't. I'm guessing UNC or UVA are the best to go to, but is it something to do if I'm only a year shy of graduation?
I'm pretty sure you can't transfer most places with only a year left, also you don't really place into good IB as a senior, also with your GPA it's gonna be difficult to transfer to any decent target.
1) You can't transfer to any target school with a 3.2
2) You can't transfer after your junior year unless you want to spend an extra year in college
Perhaps before posting a forum asking for people's advice - you should do some due dilligence to see if your question is actually plausible.
For example 1. Google: 'Does UVA accept junior year transfer students?' 2. Google: 'Does ANY college accept junior year transfer students?' 3. Google: 'Average GPA of UNC transfer students'
Finding answers to the above would literally take 2-3 minutes.
This is a valuable life lesson that translates directly to the workforce. Before asking your boss a question, first ask yourself "can I figure this out in less than 10 minutes by using the internet/other resources."
gold advice to not look stupid!
Has anyone transferred from "non-target" to "target" University here? (Originally Posted: 06/19/2017)
Hello, HAS ANYONE here transferred Universities?
no, get old and die.
High school grades become basically irrelevant once you attain a college GPA, so don't worry TOO much about them. If you want to transfer to the "stars" as you call it, have a good GPA (check), show some involvement at your current college, and show interest in the schools that you want to transfer to.
P.S. I've heard that banks prefer a BS in Finance than a BA -- but that's just something I've heard.
thanks
The first step is not using caps lock on sporadic words.
Second, answer the actual question rather then giving feedback before it.
Transferred from a semi/regional target to an Ivy League school. Not as helpful with Canada but if you have any questions feel free
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Random collection of Canadian schools, the lifestyle of Alberta v. Toronto v. UBC are so different and I don't think you would be equally happy at all three. You also left out a bunch of schools that might fit what you're looking for. Take a look at Laurier, Waterloo, Ivey and Queens. Take time to figure out what you want from these schools before applying because a school that's great for one person might be the wrong thing for someone else.
I second that. Research the colleges and try to find the right school for you.
Talk to your academic and transfer counselors at your school. They should be able to point you in the right direction. Also, speak to the transfer counselors at the various universities that you would like to apply to. I transferred (somewhat, it's complicated) through completing the requirements stated from the counselors from both schools and while using online resources. Sorry that I could not be of more help, but it the transfer process is different between schools, states, and countries. Good luck on transferring. P.S. create a ranking of your top universities, that should help you set a goal.
thank you for the info.
I don't get everyone's concern for Ivy/Top tier, I think you can do fine without it.
LOL you have universities in 4 provinces listed and one that you can't even transfer into the business program. Congrats
Different universities have very different requirements regarding to transferring... Email the admission office and ask them for more info. It is highly possible that you are going to start again from first year since you have not completed any "Intro to Econ/Accounting/Finance", "basics of math/calculus", etc..
Transferring to target school (Originally Posted: 07/31/2017)
I'm currently going to be attending Rutgers business school in New Brunswick this fall as a Freshman but I'm trying to get into MBB to have better chances in the future to get into a top 10 b-school for my MBA. The reason I attended Rutgers was because I live 10 minutes away and some cancer complications disallowed me from leaving my home, especially because I hadn't yet found out if the issue was chronic or not. I am now cancer free after a few surgeries and want to get right back to the grind. I'm thinking of working my ass off this semester then transferring with a strong GPA to a target or good semi-target next semester. I'm sure the cancer story will help with my admission as cruel as that sounds as well. What are the target and semi-target schools I can transfer to for MBB? They need to have a strong financial aid program as my parents' salary and contribution is 0. All advice is welcome!
PS: I'm also in a rush to transfer because I don't want to live at home
look through https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/target-schools-for-consulting
Transfer from Semi-Target to Target? (Originally Posted: 12/20/2017)
Hey guys, I'm currently a sophomore at a high semi-target/low target, but I'm looking to transfer as a junior. I have a 3.7 GPA right now, and also a decent amount of business clubs and extracurriculars. I'm thinking about applying to UPenn, UChicago, Columbia, Princeton, and UC Berkeley (I realize Berkeley is not really a target but I have some interest in VCs, tech focused funds, and exit opportunities in growth PE). I want to go into M&A or Technology Coverage at a BB or EB post graduation (I know I need to get my GPA up). Are there any other schools I should consider transferring to? Like NYU Stern or Stanford? What chance of transferring into these do I have?
I like my current school's business classes, but feel miserable and don't fit in well with the culture/environment even though everyone else loves it. However, if I stay at my current school, I might graduate in 3.5 yrs, and was wondering if most BBs and EBs have off-cycle analyst openings and if they are less competitive than regular ones?
Oh and also what are the typical GPA cutoffs for MM, EB, and BB? 3.5, 3.7, 3.8? Sorry for so many different questions lumped into one post, any advice would be appreciated.
Your GPA is fine, and if you're already at a solid school, you really shouldn't transfer—recruiting will start spring of sophomore year, and switching schools will disrupt that and won't even make that much of a difference considering recruiting for SA will be over by September/October at the latest. If you're unhappy, just graduate early and do something fun for those extra months.
The highest explicit cutoff I've seen is PJT with 3.6, everything else is lower.
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TRANSFER TO TARGET (Originally Posted: 03/21/2012)
Hey fellas, what are realistic/better schools do you guys think that are within my reach coming from a non-target soph. with a 3.6 GPA if I were to transfer. No spectacular leadership events/SAT scores by the way.
Or rather, should I stick it out in this hog's wash place since I am very distinguished from my classmates, almost none of whom are pursuing IB.
IDK but I had a 4.0 after sophomore year and did not transfer. One of my biggest regrets.
why's that M Friedman??
because middle of the pack from a target gives you better odds than standout from a non-target.
What range of schools are you in now? A 3.6 coupled with lackluster test scores and activities won't get you into any top 25 schools or any of the real targets either. To get into a top 25 school or a true target, you'd be looking at 3.8/3.9 range and competing with people who often times made it in the first round but chose not to go. Transfer admission acceptance rates are usually in the single digits for the better schools out there. Might want to stay where you are, network, and improve that GPA.
Is it worth transferring after next fall semester (my junior year) in the event I get GPA up to 3.9-4.0? Or bust my ass networking? Ideally, I would like to do IB or ER for 2 years at a BB and then go for HF or energy company (oil/natty gas)
Just remember a high GPA is not the sole answer. you need a lot more than that to transfer to a target. There are literally thousands of people with 3.8+ applying for transfer admissions to targets. You can try but i wouldn't bank on it. In the end your alumni base might be better than you thought.
Definitely transfer if you get into a much better school. After my frosh yr I had a 3.9 in chemical engineering and thought about transferring to a target and majoring in math/econ, but decided not to bc my school has a top ten chemE program. The end result was me graduating with a 3.4 gpa from a mediocre school and no finance exp. It's def one of the biggest regrets of my life. As I'm sure you're aware, the recruiting at non-targets for finance is embarrassingly awful. As far as potential schools you could transfer to, I'd suggest top state schools such as uva, umich, unc, ect, and maybe cornell.
You may want to consider the GPA downer that sometimes happens when people do transfer though. When transferring to a target, your GPA could fall given you're at a harder school.
You may consider getting your GPA even higher and studying for the GMAT to go to a top MSF immediately after your undergrad degree to get interviews with IBanks, funds, etc.
Something to think about.
Undergraduate Transfer for Target/semi target programs (Originally Posted: 11/26/2017)
I am a rising sophomore at a non-target public business school in the east coast. I plan on applying to the following schools: UVA(commerce), Cornell(aem or econ), Northwestern(econ), Duke(econ), UChicago(econ). I currently have a 3.8+ gpa in the business school, and a 2290 for my SAT(I'll probably have to retake it if colleges won't accept the old SAT).
While I was looking over the transfer requirements for UVA and Cornell(Aem), I found out that these two schools require accounting courses on my transcript. Since these types of business/accounting courses do not transfer to the other schools on my list, I am not sure if I am making a right decision to design my course load to fit the "business school's" course requirements.
Will these nontransferable accounting courses on my transcript make me a less-attractive applicant for econ programs in schools like UChicago and Duke? If so, would it be wiser for me to gear my sophomore courses for a econ program?
You're in desperate need of advising haha.
UChicago and Duke are not going to look at you as "less attractive" for taking those courses. You will be more attractive as an applicant than those who have not taken those courses at all. The reason they don't accept intro to financial and intro to managerial is because they want you to take those courses at their campus; where they know you are getting the quality and standard of fundamental accounting they expect.
You definitely want to take both of those accounting courses for UVA McIntire. They're arguably the most important two classes McIntire will consider when reviewing your app. Also, having already taken it means you will have a breeze re-taking them if you end up at Duke/Chicago.
TL;DR: Take micro/macro econ as well as intro to financial & managerial accounting. Don't be a dumby and apply without them to some of the nation's finest undergrad business schools...
Edit: Your GPA is perfect as a transfer applicant paired with your SAT. I'd worry about which school is the best for what exactly you want to do and where you want to work postgrad. Good luck! (-from a fellow applicant to UVA)
Do I need to transfer out of my non-target university if I want a job on the street? (Originally Posted: 12/17/2011)
Hey all,
I'm going to be finishing out my sophomore year at the end of the spring semester, so this is my final chance to make a decision regarding transferring. I did well in high school and could have gotten into a solid semi-target school, but my priorities were not straight at the time and I settled for a nontarget, the University of South Florida. I absolutely love the school and everyone I've met, but we have very few alumni working IB positions, if any at all, and our career center is not networked with any prestigious banks. Not to mention Tampa isn't exactly a financial center.
My GPA here is a perfect 4.0 and I do not see that changing any time soon. However, the more involved and informed I have become in the investment banking internship/career search, the more I am seeing the importance of university brand name when it comes to getting hired.
So my options are as follows:
1) Stick it out here at USF. Graduate with a great GPA (hopefully remains 4.0). Shoot for an IB/VC internship, and if not, apply to top tier graduate programs (i.e. MPA from UT Austin, MFE from an Ivy, etc.)
2) Apply and transfer to a selection of target and semi-target schools of which I could probably get accepted into, including; Cornell, University of Toronto, UC Berkeley, NYU, UNC Chapel Hill, Wake Forest, U Michigan, etc.
Regardless, I would just much rather land an internship and entry level job straight out of graduation. I don't want to be the kid who goes to graduate school because of unemployment, only to find himself overqualified and under-experienced for future work. So this decision is more about which option will have a better chance of landing me a GOOD internship/entry level.
transfer.. just imho
Thanks for the reply, but do you mind elaborating a little bit more? What makes you say transfer? Prestige? Alumni networks? Location?
thanks!
I second the transfer option
Also, hate to throw in the last second curveball question. But I am pretty much guaranteed a job at a top 10 accounting firm in Manhattan upon graduation, regardless of what school i go to. So would graduating with a 4.0 from USF and working for a prestigious public accounting firm for a few years give my resume the boost I need to land a BB job?
Thanks!
Transferring is preferred because it puts you at a school where banks recruit on campus, thus giving you a far better chance at landing an internship than applying for positions from a non-target. In regards to the accounting job, the accounting job won't help you get into a bulge bracket job directly. The only way it would help in regards to BB investment banking is if it put you into a good business school.
On cost - Well if you get a MFE that's probably more expensive than 2 years of college right? Princeton's program, for example, is about 70k for 2 years.
On social network - do you care more about getting a job or going to parties? If you talking about professional social network... How much is your current network going to help you, really?
On schools - not sure about the others, but pretty sure that Cornell, NYU and Berkeley (if you want to work on the west coast) gets very good recruitment. Cornell is not too far from NYC, and needless to mention, NYU is in prime location and a lot of companies would do OCR there just because it's in NYC, let alone the fact that it's a good school as well. Notre Dame is good from what I understand, but it's more Chicago focused, but correct me if I'm wrong. If you're into banking (as opposed to S&T), UVA McIntire (not so much the college) gets decent recruitment as well. All the major BBs hire on campus. Don't know about Northwestern at all but I can't imagine it being bad.
Just a couple notes - UNC is going to be a bitch to actually attend because you are a business major transferring as a junior. You can't transfer directly into Kenan-Flagler as a junior, you have to attend UNC for a semester and then apply. This will make graduating on time really hard.
Don't apply to Berkeley - that's 55k that could be better spent elsewhere. With all the shit the UC system is going through, you can find better choices.
You absolutely need to consider schools without business majors. The best schools don't have them for the most part.
You should be considering: Notre Dame (you would do econ here), Northwestern, UChicago, UNC, UVA (McIntire), Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Cornell, Duke, NYU, Columbia, and some others.
As someone who did the exact same thing you're considering, it's absolutely going to be worth it.
accounting and prestige don't go together
I transferred from a school like USF to NYU and it was the best decision I have ever made. Transferred sophomore spring, graduating a semester early, and working at a HF as an analyst doing trading in January...TRANSFER. Trust me, by senior year, parties will be lame, and you will be disappointed you didn't get to do what you actually wanted. Building a social life is tough, but do-able, and you'll be able to recruit with everyone. I wasn't even in Stern at NYU and got plenty of interviews, and my GPA was a good amount worse than yours. You need experience, and you aren't going to get that Tampa.
Thank you all so, so much for the responses. They more than confirmed what I had already been leaning towards. I'll be working on my transfer applications for the rest of this winter break.
This is an extremely late comment but as I was just searching around on here reading posts about this topic, what did you decide on? I'm in the Tampa area as well with the same question regarding transferring or not.
Curious to know what ended up happening
Non-target, transfer questions (Originally Posted: 09/20/2016)
I am an undergraduate at a top-35 (non-target) school whose focus is not finance.
I have transferred to this school from a bottom-100 school, and am currently starting Junior year.
I am considering transferring to Cornell. Assuming I get accepted, should I transfer, and will my path through this many colleges look bad to recruiters?
I go to a non target as well. In my opinion, worry about building your network. Most likely if you transfer now, it will be hard to adapt. Most people will already have friend groups. It will also be hard to gain any leadership positions on campus. Just try to network within your school's alumni, it is your best bet. Ultimately you are the only who can make this decision. Hope I helped out.
Although it might seem appealing to transfer again for recruiting sakes, I am pretty sure employers will not be happy to see 3 different UG schools with 3 different gpa's on your resume.
They may have questions like: "Why did this person change between 3 different schools?" and "Will their assumed unhappiness cause them to jump ship from a potential job quickly?". And if you don't have a really good justification for that, other than "I did it to get into IB", then you may lose your chance.
Best bet is to stick it out and do a lot of networking with alumni and to attend any and all information sessions/ career fairs. Just my opinion, but all the best on whatever you decide to do.
I disagree... you do not need to put all three schools, just the school you obtained the degree from.
first, switch your major to finance ... much easier than switching schools. ... if you don't have any social reasons hlding you back then do it. but for the sake of the people you will be interviewing with, major in finance
Transfer to a Target (Originally Posted: 05/12/2010)
I am going to villanova next year and am in the business school. they have this half internship/ half class thing at the London school of economics will that look good for transferring? If villanova isnt a target how is recruiting for investment banking/ hedge fund? If I do really well fresh year 3.7+ should I try to transfer to a target? anybody know if VSB is hard, heard from others that it isnt?
I would assume villanova would be a semi target.
To internal transfer from Penn's college to Penn's Wharton school, you need a 3.8. Coming from Villanova, you should be shooting for a 4.0 not a 3.7. But you don't need to go to a target to get into banking; you should try, but it is not like villanova is a back-water school, you can get into IBD from there. It will be a hell of a lot harder, and it will bust your balls, but it can be done. Plus, I know for a fact that Villanova has awesome looking girls, I've fucked several. Get bitches, fuck bitches, work hard, and then get your IBD job. Good luck bro.
I actually go to nova so I though I could chime in. I would say the Villanova name hasn't helped or hurt during interviews. It's a semi-target at best. There are however quite a few very successful nova grads on wallstreet so the contacts are there but you have to find them yourself. Talk to some smart juniors or seniors and they'll tell you how its done. Keep your grades up and you'll have no trouble getting at least a handful of interviews at respectable firms.
And on the London thing, DO IT! I did it and it was without a doubt the best few months of my life. The internship was alright, looks very good on paper, but the real reason to go is for the experience. Drinking with your mates every night of the week after classes or after getting off work, and talking with some local chaps is way more than you could ever expect as a second semester freshman at any school.
I say go to nova, work hard first semester, play hard second, keep the grades decent and just network like crazy. The connections are there to be made at nova. good luck with it. And remember these will be the best years of your life, don't just put the head down and study, enjoy it too.
anybody else go to nova here that could help, or know if Nova has some rep. on wall street?
There are a few but I don't know there names on here, I just joined not that long ago
I went to London this past semester, if "thepuh" went, there is a very good chance we know each other very well. We're #7 now, still not target, but talking with seniors, it's apparent that opportunities are here. If you're Ivy material, why not shine here, rather than get lost in the crowd at wharton? Seniors have gotten offers from Goldman, JPMorgan, Credit Suisse, UBS, BMO etc. Most of the bigger firms only recruit for mid/back office, but that's to the entire student body. Networking at Nova is great, and Nova alum on the street are feverish to build their school's repetoir. Everyone I've talked to has been helpful in facsilitating opportunity.
Went to a "non target" (for free) need to transfer (Originally Posted: 08/16/2016)
I am 19 and about to start my sophomore year at Oakland University, a school I chose to go to because of free tuition and room & board.
The problem: I want to become an investment banker, an unfeasible goal coming from my university. I currently have a 3.8 overall GPA and completed 39 credits BEFORE my sophomore year. (with an upward trend in grades)
notable classes: Macroecon (4.0), Calculus (4.0), Comp II (4.0) and my lowest grade: Microecon (3.5 first semester)
I consistently volunteer as an IT consultant (over 100 hours and counting) at Gleaners Community Food Bank in Detroit (I extracted mass amounts of data from the food bank's Outlook calendars and organized it into Excel spreadsheets along with other IT tasks)
I currently work at my school's Bloomberg Terminal computer lab and have a good understanding of its functions. I generally have a better understanding of finance than most students my age (i.e. DCF, EBITDA, and other comps). I also run a small car-customization service, tutor students, and mentor a student with Asperger's syndrome.
I need to go to a "target school," which schools should I consider given the background information I provided? Also, what schools should I rule out?
What can I do to enhance my application? Can anyone give me tips/advice to improve?
Any response would help. please hear me out; It is my dream to become an Investment Banker, and I'm not some kid who decided this after watching "the Wolf of Wallstreet"
Well I don't know your test scores, but schools rather close to home that are GREAT west coast "targets" would be something along the likes of Stanford, Cal Berkeley, CalTech (if you're feeling "quant-y"), UCLA, USC. I'd guess those are probably the best schools out there to consider, primarily Stanford, UCLA, Berkeley I'd imagine being the top 3 in Cali. Again, look into the GPA and average test scores for those schools; you'd be surprised how much more difficult it is to transfer to these "target schools" as opposed to having just started out there. Don't be discouraged, it's just a lot more difficult. I'd tell you to look at class profiles and see what students there have or what previous transfers have grade-wise and score wise. Again, you were a bit vague on the details you provided so just look into those types of schools and see what they require and look for. Good luck!
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