Trump Administration Drafts Executive Order to Reform H-1B, J-1, L-1, E-2 and B1 Visas
"President Donald Trump's next target in his administration's immigration policy will focus on what Silicon Valley fears most: the work-visa programs that tech companies rely on to hire tens of thousands of workers each year, according to a report by Bloomberg.
The executive order is still a draft, according to the report, but if enacted, it could mean major overhauls in the way tech giants like Apple, Microsoft, and Amazon recruit their employees. Under the order, companies would have to prioritize hiring American workers, and if they must hire foreign workers, then they must prioritize the most highly compensated, according to the report.
"Our country's immigration policies should be designed and implemented to serve, first and foremost, the U.S. national interest," the draft says, according to a copy obtained by Bloomberg.
"Visa programs for foreign workers … should be administered in a manner that protects the civil rights of American workers and current lawful residents, and that prioritizes the protection of American workers — our forgotten working people — and the jobs they hold," the draft states.
Trump's order affects a number of visa programs including H-1B, L-1, E-2, and B1. H-1B visas are commonly used among tech companies to recruit high-skilled workers from overseas when they can't find domestic talent to fill positions."
Doesn't the UK have something similar? As in you need to present a very pressing need to hire someone foreign?
Not sure I really support this. People with a college education have single digit unemployment and make plenty of money. The unemployment amongst college grads is mainly from people with say liberal arts or niche degrees.
You severely overestimated Trump's intelligence. He's an excellent marketer and manipulator, but he is an imbecile with regards to anything and everything else.
Trump is a hammer and he's looking for a nail; unfortunately, to an imbecile like him, everything looks like a nail.
Trump is far from an imbecile and other countries have something similar. This could have minimal impact to Visa workers since the US doesn't produce large numbers of native engineering and computer science graduates. That being said, I personally don't think college educated Americans need preference when competing with jobs. Non-college educated workers are an other thing.
UK has something similar, but its lip service.... you choose the overseas hire, make the offer (verbally), then you have to post on a few websites for 30 days (tailoring the posting to be super niche so it cant be filled by anyone but your candidate ... "Swedish speaking Moroccan required with fluency in Mandarin and no taller than 5'3", ideally with experience in experimental particle physics and fashion design"
The U.S. federal government does this exact same thing with hiring. I was chuckling as I was reading your statement.
Those who have offers from US IB who need H1b1 sponsorships might get their offers reneged, if trump reforms the Visa system? Also J-1 visas are also affected so, people who are going to do summer internships may also be in jeopardy.
I honestly think Trump will f**k up bad. Look, every country in the world is supporting educated immigration and we all know why, yet US is going to limit it. Well those people will find their jobs in other countries that will be very welcome to take them. Oh, and it also will raise SG&A costs for companies doing business in US.
Yes, but it's not supposed to make sense. It's suppose to please his electorate. And his electorate really believes limiting skilled immigration will magically recreate high-paying jobs or something like that. Hell, even if it doesn't at least "it will keep these damn foreigners away".
When you have people who seriously advocate that limiting student visas (student, mind you, not work visas) is good since "it means more places for American students" it's no surprise that immigration restrictions have appeal to certain people.
Limiting international students is especially idiotic, since they bring in so much revenue for universities relative to local students.
So much for a free job market
My hunch is that most tech companies aren't prioritizing Visa internationals just to save a few bucks, although that might be a secondary benefit. They have a business to run. And the issue is that there is a noticeable lack of good programmers and STEM background people in the US, as compared to places like India, China, probably Russia
That's not a problem you can fix with a hammer
But you can fix with Devos! /s
Sure, let's hurt highly educated workers and taxpayers that desperately want to be Americans and contribute to our country's future, in order to help, in Trump's words, losers who can't compete on their own merit but happen to have been born here.
I've been reading "Chaos Monkeys" by Antonio Martinez, and he asserts that the H1B Visa system is basically legalized slavery where the employer imports people, pays them way below market, and holds them hostage by threatening to fire them (and thus making them eligible for immediate deportation). No idea if this is true, but if so, some reform might be necessary.
Definitely not the case for west coast tech workers, but it could be the case is fields that are more saturated. Tech doesn't have nearly enough skilled workers right now and will pay through the fucking nose to get them, international or not.
Was there a specific industry that book was written about?
Tech. California. LOL. I don't know. Just thought it was interesting that he wrote about this topic. He was using the example from Adchemy where one of his co-workers and prospective startup business partner was being basically blackmailed by the company, saying that he if left they would report his situation to ICE and have him deported.
This Quora explanation was sent to me the other day. Thought it was interesting.
The spirit of the change is encouraging - a lottery system for immigration makes absolutely no sense - but the devil appears to be in the details. For example, there are some unintended issues with a "US education degree" being a criterion. Let's hold salary equal, e.g. for an investment banking job. The Trump qualifications would carry the perverse incentive of favoring a foreign student at a mid-tier state school over graduates from Ivey in Canada, Oxford in the UK, Tokyo University... does it really make sense?
A better system to accomplish the same thing, off the top of my head, would be to increase the number of H-1B slots in step with the US employment rate: if US unemployment goes down, increase the number of slots, if unemployment increases as in a recession, decrease the number of slots. Therefore, the 85k slots should now be much higher, but in a recession, it would make sense to pare it down.
I hear what you're saying but once foreigners know the rules the best and brightest will attend US universities. The market will adjust for the new rules over time. Also, just because you don't have a US degree doesn't mean you won't get a Visa--it just means you won't rank as high in the calculation. I don't see them filling 85,000 slots per year with foreign US university graduates. Regardless, it is a huge step up from a Visa lottery.
But I do like your idea about increasing and decreasing availability with the employment rate.
Careers for H1B in the age of Trump (Originally Posted: 01/05/2018)
All, Want some advice. With the new restrictions on H1B (and more coming), how are you planning your careers?
My simple transfer to another employer was just rejected.
I am now wondering if MBA makes sense? or if its best to just move and start from scratch somewhere else?
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