Undergraduate Business: UMich (Ross) vs NYU (Stern)
Which is the better undergraduate business school in terms of placement, student quality, concentrations, grad school feeding, etc?
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UMich Ross. Plus UMich gives you a better social life.
from my experiences, i disagree. Speaking from an IBD Recruiting Perspective, NYU is better. Michigan will be more fun, but if we are talking about using the name and the experience, I think Stern is better. Once again, this is for IBD
Honestly these are two totally different schools, and you should be more focused on the environment/culture than the placement. Both these schools are very strong for finance.
Ann Arbor is going to offer a much more "stereotypical" university experience. Greenwich Village is right in the heart of downtown Manhattan, where you'll have direct access to one of the greatest cities in the world. Honestly, do you want to be downtown/hip/cultured or are you looking for quads/football/fraternities? Both are great options.
i'm a rising second-year Ross student. we placed 40+ students into IBD in a class of around 450. almost everyone who went through the grueling process landed on the street somewhere.
visit them, they are completely different school, I have friends at both. otherwise I'd have to say your chances are about equal and also very high for idb
desecrato: I think the number is around 80+ don't you think atleast 20% go into IBD?
NYU (CAS ECON) vs UMich (ROSS) (Originally Posted: 04/11/2007)
Which of the two is better for BB placement.
I figure that NYU cannot be beat because of location. But are Sternies stealing all of the jobs?
Also, Ross is HIGHLY ranked- just not the ideal location for NYC placement.
Opinions? Thanks
get into NYC wall st jobs
but if u are concerned, why not go to NYU work hard and transfer into stern?
Given my situation, it would be nearly impossible to get into Stern. Of course, I'de give it a shot.
Let's assume I'm not in Stern (but take some Stern classes) for the purpose of this comparison.
Slightly off topic questions: 1) What is the recruitment like at NYU (CAS Econ-Math)? Is it ridiculously impossible because you're competing with Stern students? 2) What is the recruitment like at UMich (LSA)? Is it the same situation as NYU's econ vs finance programs? Do all the Ross students get all the recruiting opportunities?
Being a current Stern junior who just went thru summer recruitment I could give you some insight. You need to work your ass off in terms of GPA (3.7-3.8+) as well as internships/extracurricular well before the summer internship recruitment process starts. The top banks are more than willing to accomodate CAS students, but the smaller, boutiques tend to stick to business students, for obvious reasons. PM me (both of you) so we don't clog the board with any more.
PM'd you
personally, this wouldn't be a hard decision
i'd pick ross...
great recruiting big 10 sports scene girls? (no idea how girls are there, but i'm sure the harvest is plenty)
i think you'd have an overall better college experience at michigan. you're also risking the possibility that you wouldn't be able to transfer into Stern.
Don't get me wrong- NYU's a great school that, IMHO, is as underrated at Michigan, but it's darned expensive. Cost shouldn't be the only factor, but $100K may be worth thinking about if you don't see NYU and U. Mich giving you drastically different opportunities in the next ten years.
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I'd pick Ross
explain..
I am thoroughly convinced that the fifty most qualified bankers coming out of Ross are much smarter than the fifty most qualified coming out of any east-coast school.
That said, NYU has a great location and lots of networking opportunities. Most I-Banks send their analysts to either Columbia, CMU NYC, or NYU for MBAs, so you're going to run into a bunch of future analysts and associates in your classes, anyways.
Tough choice. If you're absolutely sure you want to work for a New York I-Bank, then NYU would probably be the better choice. If you want to leave your options open- if you want to work outside New York City- the Ross school has the better national and international reputation.
Ross definitely places people well in NYC. also, if you decide you like the midwest, it places extremely well into top offices in chicago (CS, UBS)
Thanks for response, guys.
I would like to kick it in NYC after graduation. This is why NYU seems like the better option. But Ross does place well on Wall Street.
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I am an NYU CAS guy, I got a solid IBanking job. But, I will say it took a lot of work and a VERY strong resume. You just need to put in some hardcore work to get it, and have a good story as to why econ not business (mine was a conscious choice, mind you, I dunno if you'd rather go to Stern).
That said, Ross is awesome and my friends at Michigan love it. But, so is NYU, it's just a very different college experience (and one I have loved).
I am an NYU CAS guy, I got a solid IBanking job. But, I will say it took a lot of work and a VERY strong resume. You just need to put in some hardcore work to get it, and have a good story as to why econ not business (mine was a conscious choice, mind you, I dunno if you'd rather go to Stern).
That said, Ross is awesome and my friends at Michigan love it. But, so is NYU, it's just a very different college experience (and one I have loved).
Yeah but Detroit vs. NYC???? I'd say New York gives you the better value. Seriously Detroit's the kind of place that costs less to buy a house than to buy a car.
This is where a Lean Cuisine dinner costs $1.75 at Wal-Mart, not $5 at the mini-supermarket on Fulton street. If you're really poor, you can go with Banquet for $0.90 or buy a can of Ragu and a box of pasta that'll both last you several dinners for $2.
This is where rent runs $400/month for a nice apartment if you share.
This is where gas still costs less than $3/gallon.
This is where you can buy a pair of pants at Meijer for $10 and not be embarassed of wearing them around campus, since your fellow students spent $9 at Wal-Mart for theirs.
This is where you can get in-state tuition probably after a year and start paying ~$20K/year for an MBA education that's at least on par with every Ivy League school.
UMich Ann Arbor's MBA program may be one of the best deals in higher education in the US. You pay ~$60K at most over two years to double your value as an employee.
How many CAS guys got top jobs? (BB, boutique) What were typical jobs for econ majors?
What was your GPA? internships>? Did you feel like it was an uphill battle or did you reap the benefits on Stern?
opinions on pre-business minr?
Wow, that's a lot.. Thanks!
There's a CAS program that allows you to get a certificate in financial analysis or whatever...I think it was called professional edge or something along those lines....I'm guessing it might be worthless but I guess it's worth looking at.
Yeah I thought transfering from CAS to stern was like impossible...I know, I'm going to CAS next year.
You're gonna move to NYC after graduation anyways.
For now I'd highly recommend pimpin' out in AA, join a frat, watch Michigan go undefeated in Football next year and I highly doubt you'll regret it.
Plus Ross is just as good with recruiting as NYU.
that sounds nice man.. the whole deal with a true campus experience
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I thought at Michigan you have to start in their liberal arts college and then apply to get into Ross. It probably isn't hard but should be something to consider.
That said Ross students place well into top banking jobs. Somebody mentioned CS and UBS Chicago, but they send a lot of people to NY, including Goldman, Morgan, Lazard, CS Sponsors etc, and have also sent grads to CS/UBS LA.
Seeing the Michigan / Ohio St. game twice would be pretty cool as well, so if I had the choice would probably pick Mich. Congrats and good luck either way though.
A huge advantage that NYU has over any other school is that it is in NY. There are plenty of boutique banks that look for interns during the year, and they tend to hire kids from NYU and Columbia. The competition for these spots isn't nearly as intense as for the summer internship process, and getting IB experience before your junior year summer is a huge advantage in the recruiting process. If you have that on your resume and you are still at CAS, you will still get the good interviews, but like TheKing said, you should have a solid reason for not being in Stern. Ross is a great school, but if you really like NYU and are worried about getting an internship, try and get internships during the year to boost your resume.
Michigan in all categories... hands down.
If you want to know about NYU CAS and getting an IBanking job, send me a PM. I'm not going to advertise my business in the thread. But definitely feel free to PM me.
Undergrad - NYU Stern vs UMich vs UT BHP (Originally Posted: 04/11/2015)
HS senior here with a difficult decision to make between these three. I would pay roughly the same tuition at all three of these schools (out of state, from NY), but am looking to balance a good education / good career prospects with a decent social life. I was rejected for preferred admission at Michigan Ross, so I would have to do decently well my first year to get in the normal route (not too hard though - Ross has a 40% acceptance rate) If i choose Michigan.
Which is the better option overall here, considering finance and more specifically ib prospects, but also a social life?
Is this even a real question? Stern by a mile, if you said nyu cas then I would think twice.
Not taking into account the ivies & (stanford, duke, Berkeley) Stern has the best placement into IB.
I'd go UT BHP for the overall experience. You'll get the job you want from any of them if you apply yourself.
NYU is the easy choice here. However, the social life aspect is more difficult to gauge. If you are not from NYC, you might find the social scene there to be not your cup of tea, to say the least. However, I say you should still go to NYU. Odds are, everything will work out OK for you socially, even if NYU provides a worse college experience than the other schools you mentioned.
I don't think its as clear cut as some of the other posters here do. Stern does do extremely well in terms of placements but you mentioned that social life is a factor for you. NYU is not the typical college experience. If youre looking for that typical experience, you'd find that at Michigan and UT. I would also consider where you'd like to work post grad. If you wanna work in the south then UT BHP is a no brainer. However, if you're looking to stay in the northeast and specifically NYC, then Ross and Stern would place equally well. Therefore, if you want a social life and good placements, then I would say Michigan. Work your ass off to get into Ross though.
Be a Longhorn. You'll get the same opportunities more or less (more in TX and the South), the college experience will be far better than NYU and the weather will be far better than Michigan. Coming from someone who went to school in the northeast: live where the weather is nice. Winter sucks, especially in college. Girls or boys, whichever is your bag, look much better wearing shorts and light sweaters in January rather than jeans with long underwear, three layers of shirts, wool sweaters and a parka.
Dont go to NYU, NYC will always be there - go to UM or UT and have a real college experience. You'll have no trouble landing the job you want from any of the aformentioned schools.
If you are confident you can get into Ross, this is a no brainer to me. I've been through the recruiting process at multiple BBs and Ross places lights out, and I mean better than Stern, in the East Coast.
Come to UT. I go here and it is an incredible school and you'll have the time of your life in Austin.
OP -- I assume you are new here, so you should know that the people who have a gold star next to their name are confirmed to be working in the industry and the people without it may be in the industry or may be a junior in high school.
Keep that in mind when you read the comments here.
All your options as good. Best strategy is to get good grades, take smart classes, and get good internships, early.
As long as you apply yourself, write good essays, etc. I'm sure you'll be able to get admitted into Ross. That being said, I think it comes right down to the wire between Stern and Ross - both have great IB/Consulting recruiting efforts. However, if you believe you want to be in Houston FT, or in the Energy/Power industry, UT Texas might be your best bet - you'll have a good answer to the "Why Houston?" Interview question, and access to many of the top E&P companies. Like AprilSprings mentioned, it's important getting good internships and taking smart classes.
Overall though, these are three superb schools with great programs. Congrats on getting all the acceptance letters! It's an awesome feeling. Wherever you go, you'll be good to go man. Congrats again and good luck!
University of Michigan Ross (Not Preadmit) Or NYU Stern? (Originally Posted: 08/01/2015)
Im currently deciding between NYU and Umich. I plan to major in business, most likely finance aiming for PE or VC. I am already in Stern, but ill need to apply to Ross after Freshman year and there are no guarantees. NYU will cost about 50k more than Michigan. Also, experience wise I'm already working for a VC firm doing investment research and menial tasks. I'm going to continue my work through college. Last summer I had an 8 week internship at a private wealth management company.
Normally I would say take Michigan over NYU (they're practically equal in terms of opportunities, but Michigan has a significantly better college atmosphere.) However, as I recall, it's quite difficult to get into Ross if you were not pre-admitted, so I would take NYU in this case.
I'd have to agree with this and go with NYU.
I'd choose UMich for the better college experience and cheaper cost. Ann Arbor must also be significantly cheaper in cost of living too. I'd choose UMich and try to get into Ross.
The difficulty of getting into Ross as a freshman will vary depending on who you talk to - my take: if you have at least a 3.6/3.7, are legitimately involved in at least one significant extracurricular activity, and don't screw up your essays, you're in, pretty much end of discussion. Now if you don't do one or more of those things, you're in trouble, but the way I like to look at it is if you can't motivate yourself to check those boxes your freshman year (and rest assured, it doesn't take a genius), then you're likely not cut out for the IB/PE/VC path anyways.
A bit harsh, sure, and of course one's drive and motivation can change down the road, but if your heart is truly set on finance, you need to have the confidence to approach an uncertainty like Ross admissions and get the job done (especially considering it's not like Ivy League admissions where you can do everything right and still not get in - if you do everything right, you're getting Ross, no questions asked).
Disregarding the Ross uncertainty, Michigan over NYU is a no-brainer in every other regard - the overarching college experience is just flat-out superior, and it's cheaper.
I'm overwhelmed by the NYU Stern calls..
I think OP should check out some rankings in general - MBA Rankings, Ross > Stern. Thus I don't need to say much about why Ross is harder to enter than Stern.
Then you should checkout any reputation University-wise rankings, Umich > NYU about everyday.
I'm setting some facts straight, and I also do want to note the location advantage of NYU Stern, which is about the only thing that makes your question legitimate.
Ross
competing against IB-hungry Stern undergrads is probably still more intense than transferring into Ross
I would think that NYU would be a no-brainer, with costs not in mind. Being in NY allows you so much access to networking at such a young age, Not to mention, Stern is the perfect b school for finance majors. At the same time, if you've already worked some VC and that's what you want to go into, the school probably doesn't matter that much since you're already strong on the right path.
I would say UMich is probably the better call if you are willing to really work freshman year to keep your gpa up and get into Ross. In all honesty you cant go wrong with either, but they are very different schools (in terms of social life, student body, etc.) so you should also make the decision based off which one suits your personality better because that's where you'll most likely be more successful anyways. I had the same situation where I was accepted to UMich (not Ross) and another top 10 business school direct admit. I ended up saying no to UMich and I'm super happy with my decision. Good luck!
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