URGENT: Calculus 3 vs. Intro to Excel

This summer I can take either

Cal 3 (multivariable) intensively
or
"Intro to Spreadsheets" intensively

Cal 3 would be a killer for the summer

I feel that Excel might be more practical, but it's not exactly a financial modelling course

Any advice?

 

Depends what you wanna do my man. Most finance jobs don't need Calc III. If you wanna get into IBanking / Corp. Finance / Equity Research definitely go for the Excel course. I took a Basic Excel course, and found learning to model fairly easy because I knew Excel pretty well.

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IDK if you aren't doing any math beyond calc 3 then I'd actually say do the excel course. Calc III is definitely the most useless of the calculus series in terms of learning new/useful information. Partial derivatives you could easily teach yourself, lagrange multipliers and maximizing in more than one variable is self teachable also and most everything else is useless in everyone's(save an engineers) life.

Think you'll ever need to know how to calculate how much liquid can pass through an object, or how to do a triple integral to solve for the area of 1/4 sphere? Calc 3 is not a math course with any real critical thinking, it simply uses what you already know and takes it into functions of more than one variable. I also took differential equations while taking calc 3 so it isn't even necessary for that. Long story short, if you're not doing analysis on manifolds anytime soon this class is pretty useless.

 
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jktecon:
IDK if you aren't doing any math beyond calc 3 then I'd actually say do the excel course. Calc III is definitely the most useless of the calculus series in terms of learning new/useful information. Partial derivatives you could easily teach yourself, lagrange multipliers and maximizing in more than one variable is self teachable also and most everything else is useless in everyone's(save an engineers) life.

Think you'll ever need to know how to calculate how much liquid can pass through an object, or how to do a triple integral to solve for the area of 1/4 sphere? Calc 3 is not a math course with any real critical thinking, it simply uses what you already know and takes it into functions of more than one variable. I also took differential equations while taking calc 3 so it isn't even necessary for that. Long story short, if you're not doing analysis on manifolds anytime soon this class is pretty useless.

are you high or something? Calc 3 is the most important calculus course. It is used in statistics, game theory, economics, etc... The reason you take Calc 1 and 2 is so that you can finally take Calc 3.

 
lifeofpurpose:
jktecon:
IDK if you aren't doing any math beyond calc 3 then I'd actually say do the excel course. Calc III is definitely the most useless of the calculus series in terms of learning new/useful information. Partial derivatives you could easily teach yourself, lagrange multipliers and maximizing in more than one variable is self teachable also and most everything else is useless in everyone's(save an engineers) life.

Think you'll ever need to know how to calculate how much liquid can pass through an object, or how to do a triple integral to solve for the area of 1/4 sphere? Calc 3 is not a math course with any real critical thinking, it simply uses what you already know and takes it into functions of more than one variable. I also took differential equations while taking calc 3 so it isn't even necessary for that. Long story short, if you're not doing analysis on manifolds anytime soon this class is pretty useless.

are you high or something? Calc 3 is the most important calculus course. It is used in statistics, game theory, economics, etc... The reason you take Calc 1 and 2 is so that you can finally take Calc 3.

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lifeofpurpose:
jktecon:
IDK if you aren't doing any math beyond calc 3 then I'd actually say do the excel course. Calc III is definitely the most useless of the calculus series in terms of learning new/useful information. Partial derivatives you could easily teach yourself, lagrange multipliers and maximizing in more than one variable is self teachable also and most everything else is useless in everyone's(save an engineers) life.

Think you'll ever need to know how to calculate how much liquid can pass through an object, or how to do a triple integral to solve for the area of 1/4 sphere? Calc 3 is not a math course with any real critical thinking, it simply uses what you already know and takes it into functions of more than one variable. I also took differential equations while taking calc 3 so it isn't even necessary for that. Long story short, if you're not doing analysis on manifolds anytime soon this class is pretty useless.

are you high or something? Calc 3 is the most important calculus course. It is used in statistics, game theory, economics, etc... The reason you take Calc 1 and 2 is so that you can finally take Calc 3.

Different schools treat calc 3 differently. Some schools combine multivariable and vector calc into Calc 3 and others split them into Calc 3 and 4. Maybe that's where the confusion lies here. Because the vector calculus portion of Calc 3 has been completely useless to me in all my years of college as a math major, although it is used extensively in physics. Multivariable calc (which is very very easy) is useful for probability/statistics, economics, etc. Vector calc is not.
 

Surely? Economics is a social science, thus it is rare that an undergrad has to take multivariable calculus to graduate. Financial math is filled with so many highly theoretical results that it defeats the point of studying the subject at its basic level.

So I actually hope students aren't forced to learn the mathematical sides of these subjects, as they may never be able to separate theory from reality. And to answer your question no many (probably safe to say most) decent schools don't require calc III to graduate.

 
jktecon:
Surely? Economics is a social science, thus it is rare that an undergrad has to take multivariable calculus to graduate. Financial math is filled with so many highly theoretical results that it defeats the point of studying the subject at its basic level.

So I actually hope students aren't forced to learn the mathematical sides of these subjects, as they may never be able to separate theory from reality. And to answer your question no many (probably safe to say most) decent schools don't require calc III to graduate.

Where did you go to school?? At my school and all of my friends' that I can recall we were required to take Calc III for economics. You couldn't possibly take intermediate micro without knowing partial derivatives and multivariate optimization. Similarly for econometrics, you can't really learn OLS without understanding matrix math and other calc 2/3 topics. Econ may be a "social science" by classification, but any real econ work requires moderately heavy math.
 

NO kidding and most schools don't require it. Look up even Harvard econ's required courses. Math in economics is a tool which in all actuality is not required to understand the subject. partial differentiation and optimization like I said are so damn easy to understand you could take max 2 weeks out of a course to explain it in full detail if it was so required. These are not new concepts, it's the same old concepts being presented so I would say you wasted a lot of time taking calc III if you only needed these two fairly simple concepts. Calc III is for engineers for the most part who need good understanding of flux and divergence, or calculations of 3d volumes and surface areas.

It is useful for mathematicians but at its undergraduate presentation most times the rigor isn't even there as much as Calc II. If OP wants to go to Econ grad school or study math in more depth then sure study Calc III, but the course will not be much in terms of useful applications.

 

Well I studied at two different universities. In the first we had just two calc courses, however we took multivariable in the second course (all engineers had calc at high school so the program was pretty dense). However, when i transferred to the second university, they considered those 2 courses as equivalent to three courses. I think the states follows the 3 course calculus curricula if I am not wrong since most people dont study calculus at high school.

thurnis is right though, the real use of calc 3 is the multivariable calc which is useful for many other disciplines. However if you covered that in calc 2 there is no need for calc 3.

 

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