Value of DU MSF?

So, I've got a bit of a situation on my hands. I'm 29 years old, 5 years combat military experience....and I have not been able to get into any MBA program in the top 30( stats: 710 GMAT 3.0 undergrad GPA, political science/computer science)

This leaves me down to completing an MSF program at Denver University. So far I haven't been able to get any job other than "financial advisor" scams.

At this point I'm pretty lost in the woods. What should my game plan be? Is there even a remote chance in hell of getting any kind of a job from this program? Would it be reasonable to try to transfer to a top school if I can demonstrate top tier performance at DU or am I just wasting my time trying to get anything?

 

I have a few friends who went to DU (undergrad and MAcc). University of Denver (DU) is a fairly well-regarded school in Denver so your prospects are greater than 0 for sure. So yes, there is a chance. What type of job are you trying to get into? Have you looked at any of the Big4 firms? I know they recruit quite heavily on that campus. DU has a large alumni network that is very receptive to people, start reaching out to anyone and everyone.

 

I'm looking for anything in IB or ER sectors. Preference for NYC but open to get started anywhere.

Failing that I want any job with a brand name employer that would help me get into a 1-year MBA later on down the line.

Catch is that I already have reached out to a lot of DU alum and the feedback was almost universally that their MSF program is a waste of time....but I may not have a choice as it's either that or move back in with my parents at age 29 and married.

 

If you are looking at MSF then you should look at other programs like Brandeis, Johns Hopkins, URochester, Santa Clara, SMU Dallas.

I think you will have a shot at them with those gmat scores (GPA might be a bit low but worth giving it a shot since you have a story about serving the country... take advantage of that) and will have a better chance of landing a job. Move fast as deadlines are close.

 

Not entirely sure what the problem is, but all the feedback I've gotten so far is "I don't see the connection between finance and your military career".

Applications were to Columbia, Emory, UVA, and Wisconsin...all dinged except UVA, which I am expecting a ding from given that I have not been offered an interview yet and the last day for interviewers to input their comments was the 27th of February.

Regardless, it's a little past prime for any new applications.....so I have to make the best of this situation.

Is there any gameplan that will realistically give me a shot at a better school next year or a shot at a good finance job? I obviously can't count on DU as they have a grand total of....ONE relevent internship posting available and that's direct through the finance department. Their career services center is useless according to both my own observations and what every single alumni I've spoken to has told me.

 
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Damn your posts are very unorganized.

What is your exact progression starting at 18. Did you got to an actual undergrad program full time or part time during college? What did you do directly after graduating college (i.e. the past x amount of years)?

If just bigger name companies are important don't also forget the possibility of going accounting route or outside the top 50 MBA's. WSO is MBB or BB IBD/bust. So therefore that's why there is such a heavy desire to go to a top 20 school. Also, some of the financial adviser jobs aren't scams persay. They are definitely cold calling and sales positions but not entirely scams.

So give use the background and the end all goal; as well as any limitations because it's kind of random to mention DU unless you're currently in Denver and can't leave.

"It is better to have a friendship based on business, than a business based on friendship." - Rockefeller. "Live fast, die hard. Leave a good looking body." - Navy SEAL
 
UTDFinanceGuy:

Damn your posts are very unorganized.

Did you got to an actual undergrad program full time or part time during college?
What did you do directly after graduating college (i.e. the past x amount of years)?

Four years, full time, at a military college followed immediately by military service until now.

So give use the background and the end all goal; as well as any limitations because it's kind of random to mention DU unless you're currently in Denver and can't leave.

As posted elsewhere, my current goal is simply to get to an IB position in NYC. It's a very generic goal but I'm not particularly picky. I'm open to learning any role or industry specialization at this point.

It's not random to mention DU because it's the only school I have been accepted to and my other job options are guaranteed to tank my MBA admissions chances: there isn't a single good MBA program out there which is going to take someone who's most recent position was as a part time cashier, a customer service rep(for a company that provides online trading platforms), or as an Ed Jones financial Advisor.

That's the extent of my options at the moment. Either do DU's MSF program or work for a near-minimum wage job as a financial advisor/customer service rep. There is no other restrictions that would point me towards DU. In fact I'd strongly prefer to avoid the program since their placements are shit:

http://poetsandquants.com/2013/04/06/b-schools-that-graduate-jobless-mb…

Edit: Formatting was lost. Only 41% of graduates have ANY job at graduation from the MBA program. Stats from the MSF program are not published but apparently worse.

 
An MSF would be a bad choice at any school. You have a good GMAT and 5 years in the military. You should be able to get into an T20 MBA program.

I don't have any other options. The "should" is irrelevant because I haven't, and even if I had the funds to do so sitting on my rear for the next year waiting to apply again would tank my admissions chances anywhere.

 

As a military veteran, most firms will fall over themselves to hire you. I'd maybe look to commercial banking (should be super easy for you to get on right now--seems to be a lot of hiring), spend a year there and re-apply to some of these schools that rejected you. Then you've bridged the connection to finance.

 

I've already applied to commercial banking jobs, and I've been turned on the basis of not having retail experience. As such the only jobs open to me are entry level teller positions. My concern there is that I doubt any top tier MBA program is going to even look at someone whose most recent job title is "teller".

 

Do you live in a black hole or something? There should be many openings for commercial banking credit analyst. Indeed.com lists several pages worth in the Denver Metro.

I think you need resume and/or interview help or something. Your situation seems preposterous.

Honestly, if I were you I'd try to get on with a federal contractor, get a top secret security clearance, and then you're set for life--maybe in a few years you get an employer-sponsored MBA and a big pay boost simply for having an MBA. Employers in that industry would suck the proverbial balls of a college educated military veteran, and employees with top secret security clearances pretty much can push paper for six figure salaries.

I'm suggesting looking at a different industry because you're wanting to break into one of the most sought after and competitive industries on planet Earth, and despite all of your advantages and the relatively robust hiring environment you haven't been able to crack the nut even at the retail entry level. Not everyone is cut out for this business--you need to be honest with yourself about whether or not you have the soft skills to get your foot in the door. The VAST majority of people don't.

 

I've sent out literally hundreds of applications for the job types you mentioned. Most of the job postings in the categories you've mentioned require 4+ years of experience in that specific industry, and as such my resume never even makes it past the automated screening.

So what the hell do I do with Denver University? Is there any game plan that will realistically give me a shot at a decent paying job?

 

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I graduated in 2007 in the teeth of the financial collapse, and plenty of my peers got really well paid entry-level jobs (especially in the federal contracting sphere). I think you need to post your resume on the resume forum and get feedback because there is NO reason in this hiring environment someone with your credentials should be getting screened out. The only explanation is that your resumes have been poorly constructed

 
DCDepository:

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I graduated in 2007 in the teeth of the financial collapse, and plenty of my peers got really well paid entry-level jobs (especially in the federal contracting sphere). I think you need to post your resume on the resume forum and get feedback because there is NO reason in this hiring environment someone with your credentials should be getting screened out. The only explanation is that your resumes have been poorly constructed

Sorry but I gotta call you on one thing. 2007 was a great year for finance. In fact it was a record year for Lehman for both hiring and gross revenue. There were a few storm clouds on the horizon, but even the smart folks figured it would be a modest recession. 2008 was a whole different story.

Agree with the rest of your post. I can't come up with a good reason for why OP's not getting interviews, and the résumé is a good place to look.

 
IlliniProgrammer:
DCDepository:

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I graduated in 2007 in the teeth of the financial collapse, and plenty of my peers got really well paid entry-level jobs (especially in the federal contracting sphere). I think you need to post your resume on the resume forum and get feedback because there is NO reason in this hiring environment someone with your credentials should be getting screened out. The only explanation is that your resumes have been poorly constructed

Sorry but I gotta call you on one thing. 2007 was a great year for finance. In fact it was a record year for Lehman for both hiring and gross revenue. There were a few storm clouds on the horizon, but even the smart folks figured it would be a modest recession. 2008 was a whole different story.

Agree with the rest of your post. I can't come up with a good reason for why OP's not getting interviews, and the résumé is a good place to look.

2007 was an atrocious year for hiring in real estate finance, which I work in.

 
DCDepository:
I think you need to post your resume on the resume forum and get feedback because there is NO reason in this hiring environment someone with your credentials should be getting screened out.
I'm going with this. 710GMAT, military experience, college degree......how do you NOT have a job? Something's not adding up and I think that having the collective input of WSO would iron out what the problem is.

I'm not in Denver but I do know that there is quite a bit of finance there: ER, IB, Commercial Banking, etc. You could also look at tier 2 and 3 consulting firms, they're much easier to get into and you might be able to score a position without needing an MBA. Reach out to as many military people on WSO as you can, they're a good bunch of folks. (I myself am not). One other thing......network with people directly. I have few nice things to say about HR, regarding them as lazy cock blocks who say asinine things like "there's no connection between military and finance".

Bullshit.

Entry level positions are going to teach you the job, little to no experience is really needed, and military guys (and gals) usually come in with most juvenile bad habits broken a long time ago.

EDIT: look what just posted: //www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/denver-opportunities

Get busy living
 

I'd do the Denver program if it was free, you loved skiing and your plan was to be a credit analyst at Bank of the West.

MSF is a bad idea. You have the stats for an MBA program. Tons of military guys do an MBA. Something else is going on. I'd get feedback and help before you waste time and money doing a random msf and ending up right where you are now.

I realize some of this advice must be maddening, but if you can't get a look at any type of finance gig after 5 years in the infantry, I don't think an MSF will magically help you.

 

Actually, TNA, what little feedback I've gotten may indicate that my undergraduate record is the problem (3.0 from a school that is ranked in the 60's...in the Southeast Region).

I think that people's perception of "everyone wants military" is a bit skewed. If you look at previous posts everyone who went to a service academy has had an easy time, but if you look at other previous posts those vets who have not have frequently been unable to get even entry level jobs.

I was only able to get one piece of feedback from an interviewer at Wisconsin who was talking about how he wasn't sure about my fit for the program. As he'd already mentioned another miltiary applicant who had been accepted I decided to press him on the point. His response was, and I quote, "Well...a 3.9 is a lot different from a 3.0".

So far the feedback may indicate that nobody wants someone with a 3.0 from a bottom tier undergraduate program.

To address your last point: I've gotten rather aggressive responses for "financial advisor" type positions, including several unsolicited recruitment attempts. I'm just not particularly keen on it because there's next to no "finance" involved in the positions: you're a door to door salesman.

 

Ok - I am really intrigued about this one. I am a Veteran, and read many Veterans' resumes/applications.

1) Many Vets have worse gmat scores, and some have worse GPAs than you. Some of them come from worse schools than you.

2) Almost all are able to gain admission to multiple T15 schools.

What else are we missing? How well are you able to interact with others?

 
Easy_C:

I think that people's perception of "everyone wants military" is a bit skewed. If you look at previous posts everyone who went to a service academy has had an easy time, but if you look at other previous posts those vets who have not have frequently been unable to get even entry level jobs.

I'm sorry but this is just making excuses. I did ROTC not the Academy, served in a support type role not a combat position, had a 3.0 undergrad GPA and am currently at an M7 school. Of the military students here probably 1/3rd did not attend an academy.

The reality is you have a poor GPA from a no-name school and unfortunately there is nothing you can do about that now. You've been in graduate school for the last 1.5 years, also at a weak school. What is your GPA there (better be a 4.0)? What are you studying and why are you taking those classes? That is also something that is likely a big question when you are applying to MBA programs right now.

 
MilitaryToFinance:
Easy_C:

I think that people's perception of "everyone wants military" is a bit skewed. If you look at previous posts everyone who went to a service academy has had an easy time, but if you look at other previous posts those vets who have not have frequently been unable to get even entry level jobs.

I'm sorry but this is just making excuses. I did ROTC not the Academy, served in a support type role not a combat position, had a 3.0 undergrad GPA and am currently at an M7 school. Of the military students here probably 1/3rd did not attend an academy.

The reality is you have a poor GPA from a no-name school and unfortunately there is nothing you can do about that now. You've been in graduate school for the last 1.5 years, also at a weak school. What is your GPA there (better be a 4.0)? What are you studying and why are you taking those classes? That is also something that is likely a big question when you are applying to MBA programs right now.

Yea I keep coming back here because I want someone to tell me otherwise but OP sure seems like he's making excuses. From a straight stats / experience standpoint (I read your resume), a t-30 business school should be a breeze.
 

I also don't have much of a choice. I get a housing allowance if I'm in school full time, so at a minimum this allows me to buy more time before I'm homeless.

Is there ANYTHING I can do while in the program? Even if I'm a 4.0, top of the class superstar am I boned?

 

Bro how many vets have you reached out to? I'm a vet, msf, and professional working in the industry. Response rates from vets are very high across officer, enlisted and all services.

 

Addressed in additional essays. I've been taking some classes part time both to familiarize myself with topics where my knowledge was lacking and to start building an alternative transcript.

Again though it's too late for applications. What the hell do I do now that I'm stuck with Denver University and an MSF program?

 

It may not sound like it so far, but I am grateful for the help.

The catch here is that "Making Excuses" is difficult when I don't even know why I've been rejected. I can't even get as far as identifying a problem to make excuses for. All I've been able to do is speculate.

It's also not the question. Any applications will have to wait till next year because it's too late now. I need to know what I can do now that I'm stuck in this situation of going to a shit MSF program and if there's any way I can dig myself out of this hole.

 

Ok, so you have no finance education or experience, but you're sure you want to work in IB? You live in CO presently? Here's what you do:

Forget DU MSF. That's a $90,000 program, and it's only going to help you if you have a Denver based finance job you are looking to move up in. Complete waste of time for your situation. Do not do that.

Go down to CU Denver. Apply for their MSF. It's 18k all in.

Get a job. Bank teller, mortgage application processor, data entry clerk, anything. Sexy finance jobs will come later.

Finish your MSF, get an FP&A job. There are tons of openings in Denver, constantly. You might even be able to get one as you are still finishing the program.

Work in your low-level (but still good) financial analyst job for a year or two.

Reapply to top MBA programs. Get into good business school, immediately apply for summer associateships.

Finish Internship

Finish business school

Apply to IB Associate Jobs

Timeline: 4-6 years

 
23mishima:

Ok, so you have no finance education or experience, but you're sure you want to work in IB? You live in CO presently? Here's what you do:

Forget DU MSF. That's a $90,000 program, and it's only going to help you if you have a Denver based finance job you are looking to move up in. Complete waste of time for your situation. Do not do that.

Go down to CU Denver. Apply for their MSF. It's 18k all in.

Get a job. Bank teller, mortgage application processor, data entry clerk, anything. Sexy finance jobs will come later.

Finish your MSF, get an FP&A job. There are tons of openings in Denver, constantly. You might even be able to get one as you are still finishing the program.

Work in your low-level (but still good) financial analyst job for a year or two.

Reapply to top MBA programs. Get into good business school, immediately apply for summer associateships.

Finish Internship

Finish business school

Apply to IB Associate Jobs

Timeline: 4-6 years

Yea this is like a worst case timeline IMO. I would veto the MSF, find some sort of managerial job at a company. It looks like you have experience in logistics / project management. Go find something similar, get another 6-8 months of experience, tune up your application / interview skills and I think you'll get in. I noticed a couple of grammar mistakes in your resume, too.

A lot of people don't have previous financial experience and go directly into IB after an MBA. You have the stats. You have good military experience and at a typical college. I guess I don't see the point of switching industries and losing 4-6 years of your life b/c of it. As it stands, you can get into a T-20.

In my mind, you basically have two options: go all in finance which basically makes 2-3 years of your military experience worthless. My thought process is your experience is already enough for an MBA, so by taking an entry level finance role, getting an msf, then getting an FPA job, you're basically using those 2-3 years to get into an MBA when you don't really have to.

The other option is to go all in on your current experience, find something similar at a company in CO, then go through the application process again in the fall. You'll have more $ so get some guidance through the process (not saying go all out w/ consulting but it sounds like you need some sort of guidance). That way you're starting your MBA a year and a half from now instead of 3 and a half years from now. Again, this is all from my subjective viewpoint that your current experience is sufficient and that a lot of people go into an MBA completely switching industries.

 

I don't think the MSF (at least at DU) is the right route. Either apply for a top 20-30 b-school and in the mean time find something to do OR apply to a better MSF. You need to read more into this site and maybe hire an admissions consultant because the tools certainly exist you just need to piece together the right story. Once in at whichever Bschool / MSF network like mad and convince someone (likely a boutique) to spot you an internship. From there it's on how well you perform.

Its quite clear you don't want to go to DU, so why go? You're not in a corner and have plenty of options.

 

Thanks, I'll fix the mistakes and keep looking. I'll try to get what I can but so far the job opportunities I've been able to get a resume past the automated screening for are all near minimum wage jobs that are going to do more harm to my B-school application than good.

mishma:

Is there any reason you suggest CU-Boulder over DU besides cost? Cost isn't an issue as I'm going to have use a certain amount of my GI bill benefits either way, and I was able to talk DU into covering the difference. Either option will take up the same amount of my benefits and will cost nothing out of pocket....plus DU has the advantage of starting more quickly and If accepted somewhere good in next year's round of applications I can be done with the MSF before I start the program, which should give me a huge leg up on my peers in terms of academic preparation.

 

OP,

To echo what others have said, something seems missing from your story. Did you finish ROTC and actually commission following school?

Either way, I don't see how a going to a regular school is holding you back at top-30 schools. Maybe if you had got rejected from all M7 programs, then we could start talking about undergrad pedigree. But dings from Wisconsin? They likely take people from normal state schools all the time...

 

Correct. Finished ROTC (in Simultaneous Membership Program status at the time), and commissioned immediately upon graduation with all of two weeks before I left for training. I did just have an issue brought to my attention where one of my raters may have sunk my application. Needs confirmation.

I am feeling in a bit of a better mood so here's what I'm thinking. Let's say I crush it with a 3.8 or higher GPA(going for higher, and likely since I already taught myself most of the material that I've seen on the syllabi I've looked at). I'm also going for IB or WM internships locally. There are local boutiques that recruit interns from DU and I have some connections that may allow me to get a brand name WM internship....it's not what I want to do, but the WM internship would be with a bulge bracket firm so I'd benefit considerably from the branding. I'm also trying hard to bring up my GMAT quant score (there's no room to improve my verbal) by setting a rule that I'm going to complete 5 700+ level problems every day. I'm also going to be going into my internship already able to build a complete valuation in excel.

What could I pull off with that resume + military experience? Is that going to compensate for my age?

 

Argh I've been holding back to comment, but finally cannot handle it anymore. As everyone that comes to seek advice on WSO, he/she already made up his/her mind and just wanted validation. But when we the community give him/her the cold harsh reality, he/she then begins justifying the decisions. Frustrating.

To Easy C: Everyone's pretty much right. You going to DU is a waste of time and money, neither of which frankly you have a lot of at the moment. You have $28k to your name? You can afford to have @MBAapply or @BetsyMessar work on one application for you and leverage that for 4 other schools. I will venture to guess your essays just plain sucked ass judging by your posts in this thread. You have a great background, decent stats for military, but some godawful story telling skills. That skill is necessary especially for a career on the sell-side.

Your age doesnt mean shit at this point, and neither does your GPA. You need to get your mind out of wasting $95k+ on DU and aim higher. How can you say you tried to get into a T30 when you only got rejected from 4 schools? Last I checked, there are 30 schools in top 30.

You can do a quick check on how DU alums fare in IB here: https://www.linkedin.com/edu/alumni?id=18014&facets=&keyword=investment…

Watch this video and get motivated:

Then watch this one to get amped up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_iKg7nutNY

MBA admission is a game, just like Game of Thrones, and at this point you're just some rando in King's Landing when you could be a Kingsguard or some shit

 

I'm not trying to justify the decision, I'm more or less stuck. The fact of the matter is that I haven't been able to get any job in the area except for entry level, minimum wage jobs that will permantly kill any chance I have. Every other job gets automatically rejected by the online system because I don't have X years of industry experience. Every top school is just going to throw an application from soemone who's most recent job title is "teller" in the trash and if I decide to wait it out I'm going to be homeless before it's time to start in 2016.

I DO NOT want to go to Denver University, but at this point my GI benefits and scholarships mean that it's the only option I have if I want to keep a roof on my head (aformentioned teller jobs don't even pay the rent on a 1-bedroom apartment, let alone food and other expenses). While I am pursuing other options I"m not particularly hopeful that they will pan out. Any halfway decent trader knows you trade on probabilities, not hope, and as such I have to make the best of DU......and I'm trying to make the best of it by gaining a transcript, recommendations, and internship experience that will position me well for the class starting in 2016/2017.

 

Do a finance related cert program. It will give you another GPA and give your resume a gap filler. In the meantime do whatever for work, volunteer at the VA, whatever. Build the ECs. Start networking. Applying online with your unique resume isn't going to do anything.

I'd suggest you start reading more on this forum as there are endless posts about how to network, how to apply to B school, etc. MSF is useless for you.

Get your essays reviewed by someone professionally. You need to learn how to sell your story. Reach out to fellow military guys at top b schools.

Denver isn't your only option, you are making it your only option.

 

Allright I'll look at it, but as mentioned I'm not too hopeful: I've got all of two weeks to find a job with some managerial bent to it, and I've been looking since last June with several hundreds application submitted and no calls back except for either financial advisor, customer service, or entry level retail jobs. I have attempted to network aggressively where I live without much luck, and I have been advised by a half dozen career counselors that unless I have a nursing degree or IT certifications the only jobs I'll find where I live are retail(as supported by some PM's I've received about this thread).

And yes, I agree that the degree is wothless. The only value that I can get from it is eligibility for internships which are going to benefit me immensely by giving me new recommendations (I found out that my most recent supervisor sunk my application after promising to support my applications) from a bulge bracket supervisor.

Would I be wrong in assuming that + a higher GPA will take me further than having a great recommendation as a bank teller + a certificate"?(both of which will take the same time to complete). I'm a little bit biased because those admissions professionals who I've been able to get through to have told me as much.

 

Spend a few grand on an admissions consultant, craft a better story, and apply round 3 to B-schools in the 15-30 range. You're cornering yourself for no reason, and I echo the sentiment that a $90k MSF is a waste of money given you could get one at a better school for a fraction of the price.

If you are hell bent on getting a job and working for a couple of years prior to applying (which I think is a bad move given your age) why don't you try for some sort of consulting job at Deloitte or something comparable. I find it incredibly hard to believe a vet in your situation can't land a job with a big firm even if it isn't front office IB. Firms like Deloitte and JPM love veterans.

 

Ok as a former 23 year senior enlisted guy I have to ask. BTW everyone here is not going to bash you but ask you very pointed questions because it is in the details that will help your venture.

Did you research any of the amazing Veteran programs at three BB's (JPM/GS/BAML) before beginning this journey?

Did you build a network before getting out?

I have seen several postings pretty much saying that you sold yourself short and honestly I think that you did. That is ok take it as a lesson learned and re-establish your plan.

Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum
 

As a recently separated officer I feel some of your pain. However, I also busted my ass and got a top 20 MBA(part time) while still on active duty and networked into a job before punching out. And that was with a GMAT(because excuses). You've got to get better at telling your story and convincing people that you "fit" at XX school. It doesn't hurt to get recommendations from people are aren't going to bone you, either, but you learned that lesson the hard way.

That being said, is the reserves not an option for you right now? ie affiliate and take a 6 month set of orders or something to float you until next years MBA recruiting season? Maybe someone else can enlighten us on how that would look to an MBA admissions board, I really have no idea, but at least you're not homeless in 6 months or whatever.

Also, and I'm not sure how the Army does things, but in the Navy if you complete an enlisted commissioning program it's a minimum 10 year service commitment after that. Which means most guys retire and aren't getting out at 6 years or whatever. Is there some reason that that didn't happen here? Something that could be a red flag to admissions? I've seen dumber things happen.

 

U of Minnesota - Carlson is making a big push to hire vets, and places well in banking and ER. I'm graduating from there this spring with an associate offer at an elite boutique. Several first years have locked up internships at places like Houlihan, Blair, and Lazard. Apply to Carlson!

---- Not a wannabe anymore.
 

I have friends at Texas A&M University's MSF. They like it. You won't likely make it to NYC out of there, but IBs from Houston and Dallas; Big4 for positions in Houston, Dallas, NYC (though, tax mostly from what I've heard), and elsewhere; and F500 recruit at A&M. It's a new program, but there are Aggies all over the country, and they are notoriously committed their network. And A&M loves the military, a lot, so that may play to your advantage.

 

Was just having a conversation with someone today about my significant lack of pity for people who aren't willing to help themselves.

I believe that if there is something you want to do, you can find a way to do it - and by "do it" I mean satisfy the general goal. If you "can't", you're either not working hard enough or you're not working the right way.

I, like many of the others on the thread, have a hard time believing your situation given your background and gmat score.

That being said, thank you for your service. If you'd like to talk about your resume or how you're "selling" yourself to employers and these MBA programs, I would be happy to offer any advice or help. Many F500 companies have programs for helping veterans find jobs in various fields. Try googling Walt Disney's veteran corp. employment program. Should at least be able to find a financial job there.

We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us. - Charles Bukowski
 

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  • Harris Williams & Co. (++) 98.3%
  • Lazard Freres 02 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 03 97.1%

Overall Employee Satisfaction

March 2024 Investment Banking

  • Harris Williams & Co. 18 99.4%
  • JPMorgan Chase 10 98.8%
  • Lazard Freres 05 98.3%
  • Morgan Stanley 07 97.7%
  • William Blair 03 97.1%

Professional Growth Opportunities

March 2024 Investment Banking

  • Lazard Freres 01 99.4%
  • Jefferies & Company 02 98.8%
  • Goldman Sachs 17 98.3%
  • Moelis & Company 07 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 05 97.1%

Total Avg Compensation

March 2024 Investment Banking

  • Director/MD (5) $648
  • Vice President (19) $385
  • Associates (86) $261
  • 3rd+ Year Analyst (13) $181
  • Intern/Summer Associate (33) $170
  • 2nd Year Analyst (66) $168
  • 1st Year Analyst (202) $159
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (144) $101
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