Violence Erupts on Berkeley Campus

This isn't a protest, this is denying people the right to hear other points of view. Every student who exceeded standard protesting should be expelled and arrested if possible.

Another examples of the fascism of the left. Btw, this isn't the fiRst time this guys been shit down. schools attempt to charge him for security, financially silencing him.

Both the far left and the far right can go fuck themselves, those are my thoughts.

It clearly shows that this kind of stunt has institutional support, there was no arrests, yet there's a million of videos out there clearly showing these "protesters" violently attacking people and destroying property. Looks at these quotes....

“We won’t put up with the violent rhetoric of Milo, Trump or the fascistic alt-right,” said a Berkeley history student who declined to give his name. The student, who was dressed in black and wore a face mask, carried a banner that read “Queers bash back”. He said he identified with the “antifa” (anti-fascist) movement.

“We are willing to resist by any means necessary,” he added.

Lana Wachowski, another protester, defended using extreme tactics to deny Yiannopolous a platform. “The moral imperative is to win,” she said. “There’s something to be said for fighting according to a code, but if you lose, people are going to die. People are going to get deported.

“It’s absolutely acceptable to use violence. They are 100% certain to use it against us.”

I saw the pictures/videos of the unconscious guy getting beat on the ground with pipes/shovels and the girl getting pepper sprayed while giving an interview. Absolutely unreal. And apparently the police were told to stand down.

Knowing some friends who were at other schools in the UC system, I'm assuming it is a fun place.. So I am wondering if they are just bored in their dorms with nothing better to do but riot because anarchy looks like fun? Or if they are just batshit crazy....

isn't it awesome to know you will be infinitely more successful than these peasants?

Really unfortunate that this happened at Cal. They really should be secure enough with their position to let him speak... as hearing different viewpoints is absolutely core to the history of that University. I do enjoy seeing students being active across the UC system right now (including my alma mater in La Jolla). While I probably don't agree with everything (or even most) of what they're protesting at this point, I think it's a really critical part of the student experience, and its good to care about SOMETHING. Just wish they would do so peacefully.

Given Godwin's Law has been suspended for the term of Trump's presidency, I'll make some broad comparisons to Nazi Germany.

After Hitler got into the Chancellery around 1933, he worked on winning over the German middle class and establishment. This meant distancing himself from the street brawlers of the SA and giving the NSDAP a respectable face that the middle classes were willing to accept. Among other things, this led to the Rohm's putsch/Night of the Long Knives and the rise of the SS (more crisp, professional and acceptable to the middle class). Less personal and property crime, less anti-semitic statements, more a look of the people your mother would be happy having over for tea.

I think we're at a point in US history where Trump's base and the dyed-in-the-wool anti-Trump camps are both baked in. However, there's a large middle ground who can be swayed.

Where these types of radicals in the anti-Trump, "antifa" movement do themselves and the country a disservice is punching Nazis, property damage and denying people the right to speak. That sort of stuff alienates the middle class and drives them to greater sympathy for the Trump side of things.

The radicals may detest the boring middle road population, but winning over that middle road, middle class population is vital for any side of politics in a land of 51/49 election results.

Unfortunately, I fear the Romantic notions of the left radicals will overcome rationality. We live in age increasingly dominated by Romantic thinking, on all sides. This does not end well.

EDIT: If I was going to head deep into loose 1930s Germany comparison, I'd say Bannon may be purged like Rohm was. In Bannon's case, he'd be a convenient fall guy on whom Trump could pin the fuck ups of the last few weeks. Like Rohm and the SA, Bannon was useful for getting Trump into office. His usefulness may have been exhausted in that and Trump may now try to create a more respectable front to convert more of the non-deplorable centre into his base. Even if Bannon is exiled from the Whitehouse, large swathes of the deplorable base aren't going to flee to anyone else. Many have bought into Trump's Romantic cult of personality.

On the other hand, I don't see Trump as tracking neatly along a Hitler path, suspension of Godwin's Law notwithstanding.

EDIT EDIT: Much of the same tactics re: winning over the centre, pinning your failures on fall guys etc can be applied to many experiences in politics, not just 1930s Germany. I just happen to be focused on 1930s German history at the moment.

EDIT EDIT EDIT: To distinguish further, I don't think Trump has a pathological hatred of any specific ethnic or religious groups like Hitler did. I see him as a populist who will seize on whatever currents take him where he wants to go. At this point in US history (like many), religion and race are pretty powerful currents that a populist can harness. In the age of Huey Long, wealth inequality was a more powerful current.

So, unlike 1930s Germany, I'm less worried that Trump is running a deceptive cover while he plans for a Final Solution of any type. On the other hand, as Trump looks like an unprincipled populist demogogue, I'm more worried about where the tide of populism could carry him and/or where he may lead it.

This is pretty terrible. That said, just as a point of reference re: Cal, the University and student body are pretty vehemently pushing back on this having been done by anyone affiliated with the University. There was a peaceful protest going on earlier when masked agitators showed up, who according to the university, have shown up at other Berkeley protests. Similar to what happened when you had a few masked people incite violence in DC when the otherwise peaceful women's March was going on.

See here: http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2017/2/2/14482840/anarchists-uc-be…

Take that fwiw, but all in all shit like this can't be tolerated and, as much as I think Milo is an absolutely disgusting human being, he has as much right as anyone to his viewpoints.

If I were Milo, I'd launch a campaign about Berkley students being anti-gay. He could easily pull the "They made fires as a way to symbolize the burning of fags" angle. Nothing would ruin these snowflakes self esteem like being called homophobic.

Post-election, I have heard many on the far left talk about resisting/fighting back by any means necessarily, civil war, and the like. And we have obviously seen violent behavior almost exclusively from the left (fact).

Maybe it is the lack of protests from those with a more conservative bent, but do liberals really think that if there was any sort of civil war type conflict between the right and left, the left would win? I giggle every time I think about it.

Similar violence erupted on NYU's campus last night when a Vice News reporter came to speak.

Since TNA has gotten his liberals are intolerant rant out of the way, let me present an alternative viewpoint:

We aren't always perfectly rational beings. Sometimes, we'll absorb new ideas and take action without really considering what these ideas mean. For those that have studied a bit of social psychology, you'll know what I'm talking about.

Milo has openly called African Americans apes while stating that members of the LGBT community should be "forced back into the closet". He makes a living by empowering the worst kind of ignorance. Do you really think ideas like that deserve to be heard (and thus spread), just for the sake of free speech?

This isn't a debate about what the corporate tax rate should be. These are openly extremist positions that even Trump wouldn't take on. No sane person would. Milo tries to spread these ideas because it gives him attention, furthering his influence and career. Just personally, I would probably react the same way as these UCB students if I saw someone trying to take away the happiness of my friends and community for his own selfish reasons.