We support Israel. Why?
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better ask senator j. william fulbright what happens when you criticize america's greatest friend in the middle east.
I read a book a while back, titled: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy. One of the most insightful pieces that I have read on the subject. AIPAC didn't find it as entertaining though.
Co-sign on the book. Loved it. Prominent Jewish folk like Dershowitz, Choen, et al werent too pleased though.
You guys might enjoy this piece about mearsheimer from the atlantic a couple months ago(one of the coauthors of The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy)
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/01/why-john-j-mearshei…
Evangelical Christians
Jews + Christians.
Though I do think we should support our Allies including Israel, and if the U.K. or Canada were equally under threats of terrorism (Muslims wanting to wipe them off of the map) then we would similarly stick up for them
piano score not melodramatic enough brah. recommend changing to another tune. Perhaps, something from wuthering heights?
I was told that in order to be a congressmen or senator in the US, you're not allowed to have a dual citizenship, unless it is the israeli one.
Meaning, a congressmen could have the US/Israel citizenship but not the US/French citizenship for example.
Can someone confirm this?
From what I've read, I believe that US citizens can an serve in a foreign military as long as they are not commissioned officers, and that nation is not engaged in hostilities with the US (or presumably its allies). It's a very grey area.
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_780.html
I'd heard the same goes for a military commitment. A U.S. citizen can sign up for the Israeli Army Reserve but, obviously, can't join other foreign militaries. Is this true?
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At the end of the day, I'm glad that Israel was created. It was about time jewish people could have a place they called home. Specially after the horrors committed by those piece of shits Nazi's against them.
By the way, did you guys know that there was jewish officers/soldiers serving in the 3rd reich during WWII?
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Do you have a valid source?
And all it took was to displace another people from their homes and to channel their anger into occupying/torturing/killing/segregating of the people they've displaces(Palestinians in case you didnt follow)
There was no palestinian state.
There was no formal Palestinian state, but that piece of land was under the "Syria" governate of the Ottoman Empire. People were living there, regardless what you want to call them, it wasn't an empty piece of land no one had noticed until that point. The people living in that area were displaced and are put under the severe and illegal military rule of Israel today. Today were refer to them as Palestinians.
And regardless of the whole nonsense Israel treats the West Bank and Gaza as detainment camps, restricting water, electricity, food, and foreign aid in general form coming in.
Did anyone see the Jewish soldier attack a Danish protester? Pretty brutal. The fucking irony of it is that these protesters were deemed 'provocateurs' and 'planning acts of violence'.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/EjulCOnVkh0
We support Israel because they're one of the only stable regimes in the Middle East. I don't mean kind, fair, virtuous - I mean stable. There's another stable government in the Middle East - and we support that one too. It's called Saudi Arabia.
Both of these countries exercise strong control over any radical elements present in their country - through force/repression if necessary. Israel reigns in Hamas, and Saudi Arabia reigns in its own radical terroristic elements (to a certain extent, it only reigns in activities in its own country - not speaking for the Saudi's sponsoring of radical elements in other countries). The point is that neither of these countries' radical elements would ever acquire nuclear weapons and point them and the United States. Their governments exercise enough power to prevent that from happening. That case can't be made for other countries - the Arab Spring pointed out how unstable the majority of the governments in the Middle East are. I'm not saying whether this policy is right or not, but it's a geopolitical reality.
The Saudi government is, in regards to the majority of people, way more radical than its population.
Secondly your forgetting another critical ally Turkey. They are a member of NATO, Muslim majority, Democratic, stable, and one of the largest populations, economies, military's in the region. We really dont "need" israel for much of anything.
Also say we did value Israel for strategic reasons, the sheer amount we give them in military, political, and financial aid is ridiculous especially for a country as developed as them. An Israeli gets more US taxdollars than an American welfare or social security recipient. In addition the US continues to forgive all debt owed by Israel.
They are way more of a burden than any help.
It's more radical than its population in terms of social reforms, but what I'm talking about are radical elements that can take control of a state's arsenal and direct it towards terrorism. That will never happen in Saudi Arabia.
I agree Turkey is a key ally. I agree with all your statements about Turkey. The issue though is that Turkey will never provide as much as strategic support to America as say, Saudi Arabia, because Turkey's influence is minimized by Russia beside it. We can only have so much influence/use Turkey strategically with Russia lurking close.
For the amount of foreign aid, support, etc we send Israel, is it a burden? I suppose you could ague that it is, but them being a burden is much more preferable to radical elements taking over the Israeli state in our absence and using it as a mechanism to direct terrorism against us.
I am Jewish and I oppose any and all foreign aid/military aid/entangling alliances. Israel, however, has been one of the few nations to allow all citizens to vote, Palestinians are not citizens, in fact there is not a cohesive Palestinian identity/nation. The West Bank and Gaza were "occupied" as a result of foreign agression, Israel is willing to create a "Palestinian State", however they refuse the 1948 lines. Also if you think Israel should hand both of those back to the Palestinians then the US should hand the Southwest back to Mexico, the Mexican-American War was obscenely unjust. Is Israel perfect? No, but they are held to a different standard than any other nation is, it's treated as a virtual pariah state, most of the surrounding countries don't recognize them as sovereign, if you want to ask why support Israel why not ask it about China, Saudi, Egypt and any number of other nations.
I agree with the previous posters - no one in here (I think) is questioning Israel's right to exist and prosper. The issue at hand is the blind, unconditional, and asymmetric support the US contributes.
i don't care about whether israel exists. if they do great if not whatever. i don't see why we need to fork over $3BB a year when they are an advanced first world economy with a $120BB GDP, tolerate their meddling in our domestic politics (can you think of any other foreign head of state coming over here like Bibi and hectoring our president with DEMANDS) via AIPAC and its sister organizations, and sell the technology we give them to sworn enemies like China?
if the existence of a jewish state is so important carve out a piece of austria and give it to em, they are the ones who supplied most of the SS manpower. or give em a piece of new hampshire and make jon stewart the king. building a jewish squatter state in the middle of a bunch of angry arabs will go down as one of the dumbest moves in the history of man.
PS. i don't give a shit if they are a "democracy." democracies also do dumb and evil things like electing hitler and invading vietnam.
melvvvar, you're missin the big picture, bro. 3bb is fuckin prestigious.
if you are a fan of the zionist mission of eretz yis'roel ok it made sense to support israel up until 1972, but come on, they are a wealthy country with 300+ nukes and are the military superpower of the middle east now and a big economy to support it all. time for our young protege to make good on their own and get the fuck off the american gravy train. having arab kids wake up next to their dead parents with a shell casing with the Raytheon plant number and "MADE in USA" stenciled inside doesn't make us friends so it's not like our devotion to our wonderful pal didn't come without cost.
bro...
what part of my post didn't you understand?
oh right on mang prestige. it takes me a while.
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