Wells Fargo FAP
I am about to begin my work in the Wells Fargo Financial Analyst Program. Has anyone on this site gone through this program? If so, is there any information you could give me on what it was like, information you learned, if you feel it benefitted your career, or anything at all you would like to share. Thanks!
A lot of Wells Fargo "lifers" in the bank. For such a large back, they can afford to have financial analysts floating around not doing shit for a few years. FAP really is designed to mold the future leaders of the bank and politely kick out the analysts that it doesn't work out for. After FAP there are three options. You become a credit analyst which is the worst placement. Credit analyst just do basic credit checks on companies and uncomplicated analysis on whether you can make a loan. Then the next best thing is portfolio managers. These are the ones that manager the products and services for clients that are already doing business with the bank. This job is more so designed at keeping the clients with you, however you're not really doing any new business or generating any revenue, just making sure nothing goes wrong with the clients and that they stay in good standing with the covenants. Where you want to be is to become an Associate level/AVP -RELATIONSHIP MANAGER. I can't stress this enough. Relationship managers are the ones that bring in the new business, generate revenue for the bank, and make the most money. Their salaries are about $120,000 and you can get to this level 2.5-3 years after starting FAP. Not bad for someone who isn't working 100 hours weeks and who didn't graduate from Harvard or Wharton. They also get a bonus but it's not that big, probably less $30k or so. CMTP is bragged about as this super selective program, but I've met several people who turned it down and just moved on to becoming associates/RM's.
You were either recruiter by HR and placed into a specific group, city, and business line, or were selected directly from one of the offices and divisions. Obviously, Corporate Banking is the best place to be. And it's also a lot better to be in an industry group that is consolidating a lot and getting a lot of business as opposed to just being in a group that covers a specific region. The best industry groups to be in are Tech and Healthcare. Healthcare industry is consolidating like crazy so there is a lot of deal flow. Specifically within Healthcare, Life Sciences is the top vertical within that group. Those guys in Healthcare in the Palo Alto and Boston offices are absolutely killing it right now.
The biggest thing that I would warn and caution you about is that there is competition. Maybe the colleagues aren't as intense or talented as IB kids at bulge brackets, but there certainly is completion among kids that did well academically at their semi target and non target schools. What you have to be careful is that though the work you are assigned is legit and makes you think, it's not nearly as hard as investment banking. So in IB as long as you complete your job, your excelling in your career. In Wells Fargo FAP it os very easy to sort of just go along with the flow, get the job done to where you are just doing what you're told, however this isn't enough to stand out. You have to do a VERY good job and go above and beyond on yor assignments to stand out and look promising g to your superiors. Think about it this way. If in IB you just did as you were told and finished the assignment you'd get sort of like an "A" on performance since the work may be more challenging. In FAP if you just did as you were told and completed the assignment, your performance level would be a "B" since the work isn't as complicated. You really have to take initiative and go above and beyond. This isn't that difficult and many analysts dont know this.
Also FAP is designed so that in your early years, it's a technical job where you get your "reps" in, learn the technicals and business, and hem eventually it becomes exclusively a sales type of job once you become a relationship manager.
Good luck!
That was an excellent write up, thanks for the advice! You seem to have a lot of knowledge about the program, have you gone through it yourself? I am lucky to be working in a small city where I will be one of two analysts and they really intend on sending us the relationship manager route. I will definitely work my ass off and show initiative. One more question, does the salary remain the same throughout the initial 2.5-3 years or are there increases? My first year all in should be ~75-80k and that seems like it would be a large jump if it stayed at that for 3 years then jumped to 120 base as first year manager. Thanks again for the advice.
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Lateraling in is certainly doable, although I am not aware of the politics that it takes to do it and the affects of it on work relationships. I know a couple senior guys that went from securities to be heads of corporate banking groups and one FAP girl that moved to equity research at Wells. You have to wait at least a year, and keep in mind that you can't do it without your boss finding out and his best blessings. If you don't make it, you might have shot yourself in the foot since they really invest time in you.
Don't forget the part I said that Wells is run like a bunch of small businesses, any many times another group or divisions success doesn't benefit you, so it's kind of salty to leave your group or boss for IB without their explicit blessings and approval.
This was awesome. Very much appreciated.
Are you an experienced hire? Most recent college grads start in the summer, with anywhere from $65k-$80k base salary. They usually ask you what your requested salary range is, which is bullshit I think, as they are trying to save a couple grand smh. Also another thing to know that is that Wells Fargo & Co. is a large banking conglomerate and the bank has essentially several miniature business within it. Each office has its own P&L as well. Some people usually get signing bonuses of 10% salary and 10% for performance bonus. They quoted me $70k base, and around $8k signing and $8k year end so about $85k your first year. Base increased about 10% each year, so $70k*(1.1)(1.1)(1.1) so about $94k your third year. Remember that after your third year they might kick you out the bank saying there is no role for you, or you might not get the Relationship Manager role. Some people get promoted to Associate and might have to wait 1-2 years before becoming an RM. All RM's I know are very clean cut and somewhat attractive looking people, there is undoubtedly a certain "type" that becomes an RM. This is a terrible analogy, but I'm sure you're able to get the description that I am trying to convey. Think about a fraternity member or sorority sister with a very good GPA... that's the typical Relationship Manager.
Also when I say each office has it's own P&L, basically each office has to try to stay below certain level of expenses, so there might not be enough money for your city's office for you to become an RM, despite performance.
Is the yearly 10% base increase standard across the program?
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If you currently have a job, then it is fine to negotiate. If you are fresh out of college, then it is a "fuck off, you don't want the $65k? We'll take any one of the other idiots in our resume pile." lol
FAP is a great program with a great bank, but the work you are doing isn't special or difficult. When you have a company as large as Wells Fargo, you need the early career programs to get the fresh college talent into your pipeline. It is standard fiduciary duty type of thing. $65k is the standard and very fair for Wells Fargo. It is on the low end of the industry. Corporate Banking Analysts at Citi or JPM make $85k base, but that's a different type of program.
Wells Fargo Financial Analyst Program Disucssion (Originally Posted: 04/14/2016)
Can someone who is currently in or went through the Wells Fargo Financial Analyst program give me an idea of what the program is like?
Wells Fargo FAP lol
What group are you going for? All these questions hinge on that
Wells Fargo FAP: Interview updates? (Originally Posted: 10/28/2013)
I got the notification that I made it to the next round, filled out the location form a while back, but haven't heard anything since. I emailed the guy who heads recruiting a week or so back and he said its just taking some time to contact all the offices to figure out where all the open spots are.
Has anyone heard anything since? I've got other opportunities coming up and they said the in-office interviews would be in late October/early November.
PM me. I may be able to provide some color.
You guys care to share what your experiences were like? Also, don't know much about the FAP, what are the stats on it?
HAHAHAHA, what were they thinking with that name? Although I'm thinking WF came up with it first.
Wells Fargo 2018 Financial Analyst Program (Originally Posted: 10/02/2017)
Hey everyone,
I had my first round interview last Friday for the WF FAP. Did anyone interview for a specific group or are 1st rounds just general? Also is anyone familiar with the recruiting timelines?
Thanks
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I just completed my final interview Oct nov 3 and got my offer by the 15th.
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Hey folks, I am just finishing my 1st year in the Financial Analyst Program and it is going very well. I am part of MMB, and the RMs and Portfolio Managers that I am working with have been very helpful. Coming with an IB background none of this work is really earth shattering, but there are still some challenges.
Question for those who have gone through the program, I was told that once I complete the 2nd class I would receive a bump in both pay and bonus (right now I am offered a salary but every hour over 40 I receive overtime pay). Does anyone know what the increase is? I am in Texas.
Hmm curious why you went from IB and into MMB?
So it's been a few years since I graduated from the whole FAP/CMTP shebang but as an analyst you should expect ~8% salary bumps. Bonus will be 6-10%. Interesting that they pay OT now.
The real pay jump doesn't come until you become an RM2 after CMTP where base salary is $85-90k and bonus target is 25-35%.
I changed due to the work life balance. Life is a bit easier (even if the money isn’t the same). If I were still single, and didn’t have kids IBanking would be fine, but I just wasn’t able to manage my time wisely and I ended up missing out on a lot of my children’s events.
Once you have kids things change.
I have the written assessment/case study today. Can you recall what you assessment was like?
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