Do you have hobbies?

The question is fairly straight forward. When I started in business school I noticed that most of the fund managers or PM's who would come talk repeated a similar refrain. It was a point of pride to spend every moment thinking about investing. They would all say something along the lines of, I don't watch tv/I don't follow sports/I only read trade periodicals, etc. In school I assumed this was a form of the humble brag or justification for their out-performance (I do so well because I spend every second of every day working that's how dedicated I am). But I noticed among classmates this was true and now that I've been working for a year I hear similar comments from more junior analysts. I can't tell if this is just because they feel like leisure time is looked down up and they're trying to fit in or if they truly have no hobbies/interests.

So my question is do you guys actually do things for fun or do you only do something if it will make you a better investor? I enjoy my job, I enjoy reading biographies and investing books but I also enjoy following the NFL on sundays in the fall, reading fiction books just for enjoyment or going watch a movie from time to time. Is that really so crazy? I understand when undergrads on WSO talk about how they will spend every second of every day living the markets so they will become the next Carl Icahn but when I'm talking to people in their 30's and older I expected a different response.

 
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I'm still convinced there was one question that got me my current job:

Older analyst: "What do you like to do on the weekends?"

Gray Fox a long time ago: "My favorite thing to do on the weekends is to watch college football and drink beers with my friends."

Investing is a multi-discipline field that requires increasing amounts of qualitative judgment as more responsibility is assumed. Having hobbies, outside interests, and general intellectual curiosity is important. I always ask a similar question now when I interview people. I don't want to spend 50-60 hours/week with somebody that prays to Warren Buffet every night.

 

Never been one to watch TV (at least TV series), and we actually ditched cable entirely this month. I read "a lot" (20-24 books per year if not CFA studying), play golf, hang out with wife and friends and try to explore the city. Constantly looking for ideas to start my own business as well. Do a lot of mentoring, too. Gotta keep the mind active and not in front of the TV.

 

glad this was posted. I thought it was so weird that my couple of friends in PE/HF have the most boring social lives ever, and have no real hobbies. I know, I'm a huge warren Buffett nerd too, but have something outside of investing to talk about when we catch up.

that being said, since I work to live, I do have hobbies, mainly surfing, golf, and eating/cooking

 

Life is so much more than 10-k's and constantly being wired into the markets, investing and your career. If anything, having hobbies and having a varied life is a huge advantage over folks who bury their head in the weeds. Especially as you progress through your career, having those experiences, stories and hobbies not only help build rapport but make you a more interesting and, while purely anecdotal, happier from what I've seen.

 

Personally would NOT want to work with a bunch of people who had nothing going on outside the office. All of my non-coworker friends work in other industries, and I think it's really good at keeping me in-touch and just a generally well-rounded person.

 
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Running, Bodybuilding, MMA, and BJJ.
Bodyweight 80kgs. Body Fat 10%. Height 180cm.
Deadlift 140kgs. Bench Press 120kgs. Single Dumbbell Bicep Curl 30kgs. Squat 140kgs.

Gotta work on that DL bro looks garbage in comparison

 

Gray Fox is pretty pretty much spot on. What you do in your off time is far more important than being the absolute beast in your professional life.

For me? I love hiking, watching college football and drinking beer on Saturdays, watching hockey, cooking, screwing around making drinks, I've been slowly getting into photography (and that's on hold until I replace my old Nikon D700) and building furniture. Nothing says Total 180 from working in high finance than going antiquing, furniture shopping and keeping a good logbook of ideas and inspiration for building your own furniture. I'd rather not be bleary eyed, staring at a computer screen and thinking about my next trade/deal/investment thesis, and instead focus on designing and building a piece of beautiful furniture than I would be proud of. Some times you end up with amazing results, There is nothing more joyful than building a table out of cherry or walnut and leaving it unfinished and exposed to natural light until it reaches the beautiful color you are looking for and then some. Man... I can't help but think of a coffee table I built where the cherry, in less than 6 months, was a beautiful shade of red and the grains in the board really started to shine on their own. Even if it's not for my own use, woodworking is a hobby that has allowed me to give amazing gifts and develop a skill that most folks don't have. Plus... it's nice to have something I can brag about that very few of my friends can do.

 

does buying stocks and then regretting it considered as a hobby? cuz i'm pretty good at it

You killed the Greece spread goes up, spread goes down, from Wall Street they all play like a freak, Goldman Sachs 'o beat.
 

I ask everyone I interview about their hobbies/interests. I get really mad when they say "following the industry, reading trade rags etc." I have to spend 50-70 hours with someone, I want to spend it with a person and not a robot. If I wanted a robot, I would get a Roomba and at least get something out of it I couldn't get from a Bloomberg Terminal. As others have stated, I like hobbies that show some sort of curiosity. I will also talk sports with some candidates as the language/metaphors from sports can be really useful in explaining things.

 

I don't mean this to be a trolled comment, I'm genuinely interested: how much time do you guys have for hobbies outside of work?

I only ask because i find it very hard to keep hobbies due to the hours / unpredictability of work. I make sure I drag myself to the gym, but beyond that I've unfortunately had to give up hobbies because my work schedule doesn't allow.

For reference, I work at a large multi-strat on a fairly lean team (in terms of AUM to team members). I've been there about 2 years.

 

I make time. I have projects I've designed in off hours that I haven't gotten around to completing because my backlog is extensive and there are times when work takes precedence. I think I have some 2 dozen pieces that are fully designed and have completed the cut lists for. Even with the unpredictability of work, I make sure to take at least 1 weekend a month to spend time in the shop.

As for other hobbies, some I make sure I do daily (ie fitting in an hour a day to get to the gym or spending a half hour trying to work on a drink idea or variant for me to relax and sip on) or make sure that I can find time in the week to do them (I tend to prep my meals a few days out and will cook meals for 2-3 days at a time so I will spend 2-3 hours in the kitchen getting all the prep done and then find the time to cook and relax, or home brewing where I need a good 4-5 hours of time, but it's not all in one sitting). I block out time in my day that I need for me. It all comes down to balance.

If you say you find it hard to keep hobbies because of your hours and the unpredictability, it means you need to better organize your day and block time in to do hobbies because there are very few jobs that have requirements where you need to either keep a beeper on you or work 24/7 all the time. And even when I worked in an environment where I kept a beeper (and had a boss that liked to call 2 minutes after the beeper went off because he was an asshole), I made sure to block off even just an hour on some days to get time in for my hobbies and passions and would not stop until I reached a place that I could safely stop what I was doing, especially when working in a wood shop.

 

I always recommend running (long distance) as a good hobby for busy people. All you need is pair of good running shoes and bottle of water. You make your own schedules. And when you have time off/vacation, you can sign up for marathons around the world.

 

Enjoy European football (Mainly the English premier league), Tennis, skating and the occasional book. I used to be a huge book worm but seem to only read during vacations these days.

 

Video games, TV shows, and books. Basically the ones I could do mobile and/or at home at weekend.

Also used to be much into photography, but can't find enough time (or energy) to do that as often as before. Nowadays, only during a real, long vacation I would take my camera out.

Fortes fortuna adiuvat.
 
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I was seven when I first fell in love with a DCF model. I knew right then, and there that my destiny was to sit behind a desk, and do god's work in an enchanted place called Wall Street.

I'm utterly disappointed to see all of you be distracted by these useless things that just take you further away from the true path of a financier.

I think- therefore I fuck
 

When not studying, I try to do things as far from work as possible. I read a lot of 19th and early 20th century American literature (been going through a lot of Faulkner recently). Also, my girlfriend and I have been really getting into day or half day long hikes, really helps me clear my mind and feel at ease...or maybe I've just been reading too much Thoreau and Emerson.

"That was basically college for me, just ya know, fuckin' tourin' with Widespread Panic over the USA."
 

Speaking as one of those students. the markets are truly fascinating to me. I've gotten more joy from reading finance books than fiction in many cases. I do love to read in general though. But most of my free-time I willingly spend looking at different companies. In fact, I got in trouble at my job (dead-end min wage retail) for going to the sec website to look at HHGregg's 10-k when it got posted recently since it's not an 'approved site.'

My wife and I do set up regular weekly board game nights with our friends and we enjoy going out antiquing together (just picked up a Reagan/Bush '84 pin for put on my MAGA hat, wife was super embarrassed the whole time). I also read a lot of political books and news relating to politics. Relating to that I also study history, largely relating to Prussia and the German Empire as well as the Gilded Age. Bringing this back to antiquing I actually have a standing order at the same store I bought the pin that if an authentic Prussian or GE flag if one ever finds it's way into their inventory.

I also play pool at an amateur level and am playing in the ACUI College 9-Ball Finals this coming weekend (wish me luck!). Rarely watch TV or sporting events with the exception of golf and if I had more time (read: money) I'd actually play more than once a year as well.

I assume once I'm fully immersed in the markets after I'm done with school I'll grow more and more sick of it but for now it's still my #1 hobby and general interest.

TL;DR 1) Markets and equities 2T) Board game nights with friends and wife 2T) Antiquing 2T) Reading 3) Studying politics and history 4) Pool 5) Golf 6) Photography

Hoping for hedge life.
 

I think part of the problem is - and please correct me if I'm wrong - many MBA students who are going into HF or IM are coming from an IB background and feel like they have to be overcompensating 24/7.

Truth be told, when I was in IB / PE I had zero hobbies. Watching Netflix 30 mins a night or reading 10 pages of fiction felt like salvation to me. After ditching the big bucks and bright lights, suddenly I have time to shine my own shoes, do my own laundry, cook my own food, wash and wax my cars after driving them through lovely rural mountain roads, read about staining old furniture, gather supplies to refinish the cabinets in my house, read a fiction book a week, go to wineries whenever the hell I want.........the list goes on and on. Refinishing your cabinets may not sound like a fun hobby, but don't knock doing something with your hands until you try it - incredibly fun and satisfying, at least IMHO.

 

Also, these are the lamest hobbies. Reading and watching Netflix aren't hobbies. Have you people ever done anything fun? Rode a dirtbike? Gone snowboarding/skiing? Caught a striper? Played pickup sports?

I understand it's difficult when you live in a city (what 's there to do in a city besides eat/drink anyway?) and work nonstop, but come on.

 
tengleha:

Also, these are the lamest hobbies. Reading and watching Netflix aren't hobbies. Have you people ever done anything fun? Rode a dirtbike? Gone snowboarding/skiing? Caught a striper? Played pickup sports?

I understand it's difficult when you live in a city (what 's there to do in a city besides eat/drink anyway?) and work nonstop, but come on.

Reading is absolutely a hobby. There's nothing else I'd rather do with my free time then sit out in the sun / on the beach with a fascinating non-fiction book.

I've dirtbiked and snowboarded and both bored me to tears / struck me as pointless.

"My dear, descended from the apes! Let us hope it is not true, but if it is, let us pray that it will not become generally known."
 
Bobb:

Skiing gets expensive during the winter

K, but you should be able to afford it the summer.

 

Booze - Doesn't help that the liquor store right next to where I live has a rewards program...

Also trapshooting. Need to buy my own shotgun.

Seriously though I see people going out to get coffee regularly. I've cut that out from my daily schedule and if you think about it that shit adds up. Conservatively $3/day * 5 days/week * 52 weeks = >$750/yr

 

Golf can quickly ruin your budget as rounds add up especially if you play at decent courses and once/twice a week. That's when memberships suddenly don't seem as expensive. I'd also save an incredible amount of money if I didn't go out on weekends and stayed local rather than visit friends.. but that wouldn't be nearly as much fun.

 

Do you really think that 23 year old students and Jr. analysts, which represent the overwhelming majority of users here, have any money for hookers and/ or drugs (other than Adderall) ?

 

Scotches, preferably in sherry oak.

Golf, mostly from losing golf balls on the course.

Golf lessons, to avoid losing golf balls on the course.

"Successful investing is anticipating the anticipation of others". - John Maynard Keynes
 

When you start hosting, especially dinner parties, 2-4 times per week it can get expensive, but I generally get invited out as much as I host if not more so it works out. Keep in mind, that's the majority of my entertainment budget and it covers food too. If you ever want to feel like you're shelling out too much... start inviting people to your vacation home abroad.

 

Used to be golf until the green fees instantly went from 5 dollars as a junior player to 40-60 bucks when I turned 18. Now it is more gaming but I would like to pick up poker and boxing. I'm already built like mike tyson is now lol too heavy.

 

I think every guy at one point or another gets hooked on golf for a bit. I went through my phase last year, so much gear and gadgets, and then on top of that all the trips (I got hooked on playing great courses so have racked up stuff like Whistling Straits, Old Course, Kingsbarns etc etc), i never got the courage what the bill for the last 3 years actually was (but it does include an ex girlfriend haha).

Either way, wouldnt go back and change it even though im less into it now, was a blast.

 
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Skydiving. $75-$95 per jump until I get my license.
Traveling. Plane tickets and hotels ain't cheap.

I completed my 21st jump last weekend.

Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
 

Unplanned travel and booze are up there for sure. Also having a love for motorcycle and the track doesn't help one bit.

I wouldn't change a thing.

Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
 

Books and boxing.

I manage the cost of the former by buying second hand online. Cheaper and anyone looking at the pre-cracked my bookshelf thinks I've read more than I have got around to so far.

Those who can, do. Those who can't, post threads about how to do it on WSO.
 

Working on the private pilots cert (very slowly), culturing various types of jellyfish (I studied molecular biology and this is a skill leftover from my research days), equestrian (hunter jumper and a bit of dressage) and traveling (including having lived in a country in LATAM) for a bit... and the usual exercising (running, yoga, occasional pickup games here and there) and reading (books of different topics outside technology and finance/business).

 

I play the drums. There's nothing more liberating than smashing a series of pots and pans with sticks. You can actually go ape shit with that one.

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"Rage, rage against the dying of the light." - DT
 

Over the last 2 years, I've improved my life immensely with the following steps:

1- Threw out my TV. I occasionally pull The Office up on Hulu. TV is a suckhole. That includes live sports (and I played D1 athletics!). Be honest, what do you really remember about even the Super Bowl?

2- Bought a stack of books on Amazon.com. I read when I eat breakfast, on the bike at the gym, on the subway/train, before I go to bed. Nothing written in the last 50 years. Fiction and non-fiction. Also subscribed to a stack of well-written magazines/journals: no crappy Newsweek or People.

3- Exercise EVERYDAY for at least 30 minutes. I still hit the weights, but some days I just want to go for a jog, or ride a bike or do yoga or walk Central Park. or hit the sauna. Do these things with a friend.

4- Learned to cook. Do it with or for friends.

5- Visit a museum once a month

6- See a documentary or independent film once a month (no American Pie Part 14)

7- See live theater or a concert once a month (no cheesy musicals or pop concerts, only serious artists in command of their skills)

********************************* “The American father is never seen in London. He passes his life entirely in Wall Street and communicates with his family once a month by means of a telegram in cipher.” - Oscar Wilde
 
veritas14:
Over the last 2 years, I've improved my life immensely with the following steps:

1- Threw out my TV. I occasionally pull The Office up on Hulu. TV is a suckhole. That includes live sports (and I played D1 athletics!). Be honest, what do you really remember about even the Super Bowl?

2- Bought a stack of books on Amazon.com. I read when I eat breakfast, on the bike at the gym, on the subway/train, before I go to bed. Nothing written in the last 50 years. Fiction and non-fiction. Also subscribed to a stack of well-written magazines/journals: no crappy Newsweek or People.

3- Exercise EVERYDAY for at least 30 minutes. I still hit the weights, but some days I just want to go for a jog, or ride a bike or do yoga or walk Central Park. or hit the sauna. Do these things with a friend.

4- Learned to cook. Do it with or for friends.

5- Visit a museum once a month

6- See a documentary or independent film once a month (no American Pie Part 14)

7- See live theater or a concert once a month (no cheesy musicals or pop concerts, only serious artists in command of their skills)

Excellent list. SB, good sir.

Agreed on your first point, but I personally wouldn't go so far as throw out the television altogether (but your points for doing so are valid). I still appreciate watching 24 hour news, local news, educational programming, Le Mans, and Formula One.

I think it comes down to how you utilize television -- I try to keep up on current affairs around the world and am involved (trying to be) in my local community so watching the news helps keep me in check. I also enjoy educational programming on various subjects in science and humanities, which I feel can only benefit the viewer and enhance their knowledge. And then I follow sports car and grand prix racing, which in all honesty has been an outlet of mine for years, but it coincides with my real life passion of motor racing and automobiles.

The problem with television is the mindless reality entertainment programming which provides its viewer little or no value to the mind and ultimately wastes time overall. Television time used wisely can be fairly beneficial.

I also like your part on books. Finance related books are fine in their own right but kids please, pick up a Dickens, Fitzgerald or Asimov and take your mind on a journey of sorts.

In 1976, James Hunt broke the sound barrier through Eau Rouge only to retire before the event finished... following the race he had sex with three Belgian nurses at the clubhouse near La Source.
 
veritas14:
Over the last 2 years, I've improved my life immensely with the following steps:

1- Threw out my TV. I occasionally pull The Office up on Hulu. TV is a suckhole. That includes live sports (and I played D1 athletics!). Be honest, what do you really remember about even the Super Bowl?

2- Bought a stack of books on Amazon.com. I read when I eat breakfast, on the bike at the gym, on the subway/train, before I go to bed. Nothing written in the last 50 years. Fiction and non-fiction. Also subscribed to a stack of well-written magazines/journals: no crappy Newsweek or People.

3- Exercise EVERYDAY for at least 30 minutes. I still hit the weights, but some days I just want to go for a jog, or ride a bike or do yoga or walk Central Park. or hit the sauna. Do these things with a friend.

4- Learned to cook. Do it with or for friends.

5- Visit a museum once a month

6- See a documentary or independent film once a month (no American Pie Part 14)

7- See live theater or a concert once a month (no cheesy musicals or pop concerts, only serious artists in command of their skills)

Awesome list. +1 SB

 

MMM, more thoughtful post than the beat down one. Thanks.

I think the camraderie of sports can be uplifting though. I'm not super-competitive anymore but I am still semi-competitive and enjoy pickup and organized basketball leagues. It's a good way to exercise and accomplish something as a team with other people. Have some brewskies after and have some laughs with people not from work.

I also enjoy playing live poker. I agree with you that if you are doing it for the money then it is not a hobby and more of a job. But if you consider it entertainment (buy in to a tournament for the same amount you would spend on a nice dinner) and can easily let go of a loss then it is pretty fun.

When you have kids, watching them pursue their interests can become your greatest joy in life.

 

My longest-running, stress-busting hobby has definitely been heavy metal music. I love the stuff. I can listen to it for hours on end and not get tired because it's so rich and diverse. 95% of my other friends don't get it, but in my mind, they're the ones missing out, not me. In fact, that idea is what makes it so appealing, in a way--we metalheads really do believe we have the greatest music on the face of the earth, and nobody else knows about it.

Honestly, I've got a broad range of hobbies--like you, Midas, I love trying out new things. Heck, I'm not even above putting my life in danger--I've done that whitewater rafting, spelunking, and climbing mountains. The only things I will not do involve drugs, unhealthily huge amounts of alcohol, or anything that would get me in trouble with my church--no seances, ouija boards, or any of that crap.

Everything else is fair game.

Metal. Music. Life. www.headofmetal.com
 

Well, I'm a cinefile, so I do need the TV, but I try to watch classics, indies and foreign films somewhat regulalrly. I'm a die hard hockey fan, and have found that it is a hobby as much as it is a passion. The same holds true for college football. I love reading and am quite happy I have a Kindle as a result. I can't tell you enough how picking up reading as a hobby is a great way to relax.

Beer - but not in the traditional sense. When I say beer, I'm talking about the brewing of it, not the drinking of it. In college I took up home brewing. Now that's a labor intensive passion of love. If you stick with it, you will find yourself enjoying it. When I finally have the space, I plan to pick it up again, as I miss the experience of doing it.

Building furniture - Again, it is a space intensive hobby, but when I was younger, I found myself in my dad's shop building furniture him and even creating a few pieces of furniture for myself. When I finally have the space and capital, I plan to pick this up again, as nothing says pride more than putting your hands to work and creating something that shows both beauty and function.

Still, there are a number of things I want to learn, like how to fly fish, cooking and cinemetography just to enjoy my own passions even more or find new ones to expand my horizons.

 

(1) Play in a band; few things are more therapeutic than plugging in a Les Paul into a Marshall stack and just cranking it. (2) Cars or bikes -- learn to fix cars, race them, mod them, etc (3) The gun range, clay shooting, hunting (if any of that floats your boat) (4) Shop craft (woodworking, metal) - as someone mentioned, building furniture, building musical instruments, etc (5) Beer or wine making (6) Team sports in a community league - I'm sure running is fun, but playing team sports allows you to feel like a kid again doing something fun with the guys. Could be ice hockey, baseball, basketball, curling, rugby, MMA, boxing, whatever.

Or just about anything that is physical - that involves making stuff or doing stuff with your hands. In my view, finding active activities where you're involved as a player or doer and not just as a spectator.

This is especially important for guys who work in office jobs where you're not really engaged in much physical activity. And having something outside of work where you're making/doing stuff with your hands that produces something very tangible is an essential counterpoint to the sedentary aspect of working full-time in an office. Otherwise, it's real easy to get up in your head, and end up a neurotic curmudgeon.

Alex Chu www.mbaapply.com
 

wtf, how are sports not hobbies or something that relieves stress? The theme of this post is good but you can't really try and be an authority on what is a hobby and what isnt. How can you say entrepreneurship isnt a hobby for some people? People are different, and therefore the list of things that YOU dont think are hobbies should be labeled as such, instead of some prophetic existential statement.

Midas, you seem to have a huge resentment for anything that may have a connection to society. Its all nice and pretty to think what life would be like as someone who is careless, but I would argue that most people on this board get utility from success and achieving goals, regardless of whether you think this is society driven or not.

 
IlliniProgrammer:
Do what you truly enjoy. A hobby that gives you a good excuse to get out of the god-forsaken city is usually a good hobby- but make sure you can afford it first.

Some pal you are. I make a post secretly hoping you'll come in here and discuss your cool hobby in detail...meanwhile, you're all up in my Geodon stash running through them like they are Skittles.

EDIT: then he removes "voices in head" nullifying my humorous response...ouch!

 

So many people list the same "hobbies that aren't" because they're all safe-plays from the standpoint of fear of ridicule or rejection from some cookie-cutter group. That's why we have the derisive term "guilty pleasures" for those things we secretly enjoy, but feel we must self-deprecatingly label in order to dismiss them and not appear different or dorky or, god forbid, unmanly.

 
San Ford:
So many people list the same "hobbies that aren't" because they're all safe-plays from the standpoint of fear of ridicule or rejection from some cookie-cutter group. That's why we have the derisive term "guilty pleasures" for those things we secretly enjoy, but feel we must self-deprecatingly label in order to dismiss them and not appear different or dorky or, god forbid, unmanly.

Or maybe because those are things people do enjoy. Ever think that popular things arent just popular because they are safe options in terms of how society views them, but because their popularity stems from those activities actually being enjoyable.

 

Shhh, I am trying to keep the dragon-slaying that went down at 40th and West Side Highway secret- the archangel Julia told me to. But WisconsinEngineer just felt the need to come out and post it in all caps using my account. I thought I'd deleted it in time. I'M NOT A MUGGLE!!! I HEAR THE VOICES!!!

Translation: Midas caught me trolling again before I had a chance to delete my post.

As for my favorite hobbies? Let's see...

-trolling WSO with weak attempts at humor that I later delete. -Hang Gliding (up in the Catskills) -Dungeons and Dragons -wreck diving (generally on the Jeanne)

 
IlliniProgrammer:
Shhh, I am trying to keep the dragon-slaying that went down at 40th and West Side Highway secret- the archangel Julia told me to. But WisconsinEngineer just felt the need to come out and post it in all caps using my account. I thought I'd deleted it in time. I'M NOT A MUGGLE!!! I HEAR THE VOICES!!!

Translation: Midas caught me trolling again before I had a chance to delete my post.

As for my favorite hobbies? Let's see...

-trolling WSO with weak attempts at humor that I later delete. -Hang Gliding (up in the Catskills) -Dungeons and Dragons -wreck diving (generally on the Jeanne)

What happened to parasailing? Thought you were huge on that? You actually got me interested enough to do some research. Will definately get into that one day.

Either way, my hobby is collecting coins. Sort of fell into it in college by accident one day after searching for the world's most expensive coin and the rest is history. I went to the mall a couple weeks ago and as I was walking by the food court I saw 3 seniors just sitting there without saying anything and checking out each other's coin collections. It was 10 a.m. on a Saturday. I wanted to join them but I was running late somewhere.

" A recession is when other people lose their job, a depression is when you lose your job. "
 

I can understand not counting some sport-related activities, but I think golf has all you could want in a hobby. Now it certainly would depend on your motives- if you go out every Saturday morning just to deep throat the boss/clients that's one thing. If you really enjoy the game (basically meaning you're willing to go out there by yourself, put time into practice), there aren't too many other ways I'd like to spend four hours. You can enjoy the outdoors, play a game you will never master, spend time reflecting, and relieve a lot of stress. Of course it can cause it's own stress, but it's a good kind of stress. It's also something that you can be passionate about your whole life. Walk, rather than ride, whenever possible- I feel like those walks alone up the fairway are some of times when my thinking is most clear. It's not quite the same if you spend half the time with your buddies in the cart trying to throw down some beer. That's when it's not a hobby, and also when I want to hit into you.

 

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Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.
 

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My drinkin' problem left today, she packed up all her bags and walked away.
 

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