Rising Junior Summer Internship

I've been looking trying to get an internship in line for this summer (Preferably in IB, PWM or related). I'm not sure where to find a lot of them, heres where I am so far.
-Applied to a total of 31 paid internships and 3 unpaid internships.
-Another 10 (9 paid 1 unpaid) or so to be completed this weekend (Need to make a CL for each mostly)
-I've cast my net fairly wide: Paid: US Anywhere, Unpaid: Hometown only. I've also applied to pretty much any finance/business related position, not just IB PWM related.
-Examples of above: Finance Intern at small tech startup, treasury intern at marketing firm.
-Most of the above have come from my school's career site and internet searching. 3 of them (two corp fin and one a MM M&A firm) I got from networking and had them ask for my resume.
-I've exhausted my school's career site, an interschool career site, and a few other job boards (which weren't too helpful in the end).

As current sophomore I'm not sure where to either look for internships or begin the networking process. My last primary resource that I haven't exhausted it my schools alumni database (Which I am cross-referencing with Linkedin for updated info).

My main questions are: What is a good resource to find firms that are offer internships to rising juniors?

 

I know JPMorgan Sophomore Honors program is competitive. I got dinged.

Citigroup offers Sophomore Rotational Program, Lehman Brothers has a sophomore program for minority students, Morgan Stanely had a sophomore program but I heard that got rid of it this year at least, Goldman Sachs hires sophomores for their Investment Management positions (which are GSAM and PWM).

You could also look into boutique investment banks who are less strict about hiring only Juniors (rising seniors) for their summer programs.

Why are you so set on JP Morgan?

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soulsearching:
Morgan Stanely had a sophomore program but I heard that got rid of it this year at least

I know for fact the MS soph rotational program is alive an kickin': I prepped a friend of mine for the interview, and she got the job.

 

The programs are geared towards minorities and women. JP Morgan, and Lehman are explicit about this, the others are not, but looking at the interview schedules in my school this is the case for them as well. I think GSAM is the exception [I am doing it this summer].

This isn't to say you can't get in as a white male. It is just really difficult. The stats are ridiculous.

There are alot of opportunities in finance outside of IB that you can do as a sophomore that will be good for your resume. You can also try to work for free at small boutiques. Given this market though... chances aren't great.

EDIT: For the record, the sophomore opportunities at GSAM extend well beyond PWM - this is unique. Many BBs offer PWM (especially regional offices) internships that even freshman can get.

 

thanks for your guys' feedback. so would you all say the gpa cutoff is 3.5? what kinds of work experience/student involvement would they be looking for? what types of freshmen get those PWM internships? (i.e. stats?)

 

I would agree that the gpa cutoff is indeed 3.5. In terms of work experience/student involvement, I've long felt that as long as you can speak intelligently to what's on your resume, as well as show some sort of excitement when speaking about such things, it will be seen in a good light. Granted, any internship in financial services as a sophomore in these bad times can be considered good. PWM internships are good, but so are junior stockbroker internships. Just keep trying man. As for stats regarding PWM internships, the only ones that I've known who've gotten them have either ridiculous grades, or through a family connection.

 
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You should also look into Private Wealth Management internships. I know there are a bunch of those, especially out here in LA. It's a lot of gruntwork... looking stuff up on bloomberg and whatnot, but it gets you ready for the research aspect of consulting.

What type of work would they have you do for the mortgage bank? I'd say thats the best option, behind what I just suggested. I say this because think about it: you've had one internship already, they want to see you've had experience in the real world prior to their firm giving you experience as well. It would look better to have a little diversity, rather than being in affordable housing for two summers. That could potentially bring the question up of why you are thinking of "switching" from that area, into consulting. The mortgage bank will essentially give you experience in a different aspect, allowing you to look at businesses on multiple levels, which is sort of what consultants like... I'm guessing.

 

^ Either that or just ignorant. OP, most students don't have finance-related internships after sophomore year. They're commonplace on WSO and they're becoming more and more widespread, but they still aren't required to get an internship after junior year. In fact, almost all BB banks don't even hire any rising juniors for internships. So yes, your internship will be a solid experience that should put you in a good position for SA recruiting next year.

 
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I'm sorry...I honestly wasn't trying to come off as a douche. Its just that alot of ppl ive spoken with seem to have sophomore banking internships so wasn't sure how commonplace they were. I really appreciate the help. Thx

They're rare. If you know a lot of people who have them, you're hanging around people who are most likely the heads of finance/wall street clubs, the people who have had their sights set on IBD for a while, etc. While these are the people who will end up with jobs, there are many, many more slots as well. The fact that you're interning at a bank in NYC after sophomore year will help you tremendously if you do your work, take something away from it, and know how to be personable in an interview. Considering that you go to an upper target, I'd say the ball is totally in your court as to whether you'll end up getting a SA position or not for next year.

 

Hey,

It is great you have a boutique lined up for your sophomore summer. I am kind of in the same position as you (rising junior); however, I have been reluctant to apply to boutiques because I want to teach myself financial modeling; hit the ground running if I do get hired (I know it is really late).

Could you elaborate on how rigorous the interview was? What types of technical and behavioral questions were you asked? How did you find out about the boutique (cold-call)?

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Hi!

So I actually heard about the place I was working at from friends who had worked there previously. I then applied to the bank directly via our career site. Long story short...my friends who worked there went to Columbia and I went to a similar school that is much more finance-centered (...you probably can guess which). Because of my relatively heavy training in finance, I wasn't really asked any serious finance questions. They mostly just wanted to make sure I was a normal human being. They asked me about what I did for fun...which led to about a 15 min discussion of wakeboarding and crew.

From there, they asked me about my previous job and about my grades and how I was doing in my finance and accounting classes. Finally, I did a little research previously on spin offs....so the dude at the last second threw in a question about why a company would want to do a merger. Nothing huge though. The funny thing is...one of my friends was also hired by the bank...and apparently the same dude that interviewed me asked him tons of finance questions with very little behavioral stuff. Haha me might just have been having a good day when I came in to meet with him. PM me if I can be of any more help!

 
Husky32:
How would you differentiate from the BB's like JPM/GS/MS, the UBS/RBS/CS's of the world, and the Lazards/PWP/HLHZ/BNP Paribas's and Moelis and co's of the world in terms of how hard it is to get in for a rising junior?

They're all probably about equal in terms of difficulty because you'll have to network to get a spot as a sophomore unless you are applying to some specialized program (eg diversity, rotational). I know UBS has a fairly large rotational program for sophomores, but I don't think it includes rotations through IBD or any other front office positions. JPM has a diversity program for sophomores I think. Boutiques (at least well known ones like you posted) are probably less likely to take a sophomore because of the smaller intern classes.

Also UBS and CS are definitely BB's... You should disregard a lot of the negative comments about banks on this board because they are mostly jokes and beyond that it depends a lot more on what group you are in than what bank you are at (eg Barclays Nat Res is far better than the average GS/MS/JPM group).

 

Yeah JPM has two diversity programs: a frosh/soph program for URM and then a frosh/soph program for minorities. Whats the UBS rotational like, I've never actually heard of it, but do know some guys in BO/MO spots for UBS though (ops and trader support) so that might be a part of it. And whats your opinion on Barclays/RBS M&A? I know their pretty legit for DCM but their both on the decline for M&A and I guess its still "Bulge Bracket" despite their inherent flaws and probably easier to get into than one of the well known boutiqes

 
Husky32:
Yeah JPM has two diversity programs: a frosh/soph program for URM and then a frosh/soph program for minorities. Whats the UBS rotational like, I've never actually heard of it, but do know some guys in BO/MO spots for UBS though (ops and trader support) so that might be a part of it. And whats your opinion on Barclays/RBS M&A? I know their pretty legit for DCM but their both on the decline for M&A and I guess its still "Bulge Bracket" despite their inherent flaws and probably easier to get into than one of the well known boutiqes

Barclays would be a great place to be, it's a bulge bracket bank just like the others (and shouldn't be any easier to get into than any others). In terms of M&A traditionally they haven't had an M&A group, rather each industry group has a dedicated M&A analyst, but I think just recently they merged them into a standalone M&A group. They're at the lower end of the bulge bracket in terms of M&A rankings I think, but being at any bulge bracket bank is still great. They did some high-profile deals last year, most notably Kinder Morgan - El Paso.

RBS I don't think has ever really been considered a BB and they have been cutting a lot of jobs in IBD as they are still owned by the British government and having to deal with all of that. You shouldn't be ruling out any firms of this level for a sophomore internship, but long-term you'd be better off at any of the BB's or solid boutiques than at RBS.

 

RBS really isn't a BB but they rank on league tables for DCM and they rank like 14th overall for banks so they aren't your worst option. RBS is cutting jobs but more than that working full time is whats really the problem since their base salary is fine but the bonuses are always small in comparison to their competitors. BTW I will have boutique IBD experience in NYC or PE experience going into my search for the Sophomore internship so how much would that help in making my candidacy more credible

 

Also anyone know anything about Citibank M&A and how hard they are as opposed to BAML IBD? LOL I'm basically trying to figure out the easiest, least "regarded" BB group of M&A so that I wouldn't be taking a step backwards next year, any guys know something completely random like JPM ECM that might be slightly easier to get into? Also I've been hearing a lot lately about how Wells Fargo IBD is really on the move and improving

 
Husky32:
Also anyone know anything about Citibank M&A and how hard they are as opposed to BAML IBD? LOL I'm basically trying to figure out the easiest, least "regarded" BB group of M&A so that I wouldn't be taking a step backwards next year, any guys know something completely random like JPM ECM that might be slightly easier to get into? Also I've been hearing a lot lately about how Wells Fargo IBD is really on the move and improving

Most banks don't hire interns directly into specific groups, rather they just give out generalist offers and after accepting an offer you are assigned to a group. Some banks do recruit for IBD and ECM/DCM separately though and ECM/DCM might be slightly easier to get into. Truthfully though your best bet anywhere is by networking, and your best chance is the place where you develop the best relationships.

 

BAML has a sophomore combined S&T/IBD program. They only accept 4 or 5 interns a year though. My friend did a tech internship her freshman summer at BAML, told HR she was interested in S&T, got a recommendation from her manager, and then interviewed for the sophomore S&T/IBD program and got the offer.

 

I would like to ask the same question. If there are any experienced headhunters you guys can recommend that would be really appreciated...

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for distressed hedge funds its Hinton Rose - the rest goes through networks or personal connections most of the time - but as I said in another thread, cast your net wide (e.g. talk to all larger headhunters and mention what specifically you are looking for). Its not that structured over here so while some headhunters may offer a range of roles in the same vertical most roles come by randomly and hence through random headhunters that may normally not cover that vertical. Some offer L/S only but then have some special sits funds in there and also the other way around. Similar story for merger arb etc.

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Honestly an IB experience as a rising junior is impressive. There is no need to exaggerate on your resume. Say what you did, in the best way possible of course, and be ready to explain it.

If you didn't do some highly sophisticated model with multiple debt tranches, just say that you didn't. They aren't going to thing "lol, what a moron. 19 years old and can't tackle a LBO solo". Cut yourself some slack. You are a sophomore. Most kids were working McJobs after freshman summer, if anything.

 

Looks great. I would change 'professional GPA' to 'Major GPA' and move it up to the line starting with "bachelor" You could work a little bit on your bullet points for your most recent internship...they aren't terribly substantive (ie no numbers). but it still is better than most for a sophomore summer. under your fraternity, i wouldn't start a bullet with "responsible for", that is pretty nitpicky though. also, don't end your bullets in periods, it looks a little bit tacky.

put your skills at the end on the same line. add a line for interests, i think it is important for banking/banking interviews.

overall, very good resume. depending on your school you should be in good shape for i-banking interviews for next summer with the help of a little networking.

 

DCM involves a lot of market analysis, watching levels and pitching - it's definitely different than S&T, but those are a few similarities. The best way to go about making the S&T switch is to highlight your relative strengths and experiences from DCM as they could be applied to S&T. Highlight the pitches you have worked on, any market analysis, and then any other projects that you may have worked on that are just generally noteworthy. While it's far from exactly the same, it should show some similarities, and, considering IB is often considered difficult to break into, that alone should help to work in your favor.

The next thing will be to get on contacting your network, and get the word out. Have a compelling reason why S&T, when you've already done banking. I did S&T first, then moved to banking, and one of the bigger issues will be to have a valid and actual reason for your decision to pursue S&T instead of banking. Even MD's on the IB side should be able to help, as they will be in contact with S&T people at least in the commodities or global rates groups, so reach out and show an interest (without, of course, insulting your IB contacts). I've seen a few people do it with less contacts, so rest assured, you've definitely got a shot. Best of luck to you sir.

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As @wsoanon said, it will be very difficult because you are a sophomore.

One of the reasons for this is because employers want you to focus on school the first two years of college, to establish your self as a student. If this is done smart and disciplined students will have well established a GPA that is representative of their capabilities.

I recommend you really focus on studying and bringing your GPA up, taking finance related courses, and network/join finance & accounting clubs. That should be your first priority.

 

I'm at a T2 school as well, with about the same experience as you, but a much higher GPA. In the meantime, keep networking while you bring your GPA up. Personally, I'm looking to get something along the lines of PWM for the summer. I believe it's the best course of action to prepare me for a IBD internship junior year.

 

That does make sense. Can people offer advice on networking? I've read my share of material on networking, but it's still difficult. I'm not good at it, but i definitely try. I go to the networking sessions that are held at my college and I go into a conversation amid a group of 5 to 6 people. I find it difficult to stand out sometimes, but i ask questions whenever I can. I do have the contact information of the people i meet, such as an md, recruiters, and 1st and 2nd year analysts. I actually met one analyst multiple times and I hope she finally remembers me without having me to remind her where we met before.

In a lot of responses to thank you emails, they say that I could reach out to them. should i take advantage of this seemingly empty gesture and call their bluff? Should I ask for an informational interview or something when I am in nyc?

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You don't necessarily have to be in the same place to have an informational interview; when they say feel free to reach out, shoot them back an email at some point asking for 10-15 minutes to chat over the phone. Ask them about their background, their current firm, how they came there, and about what internship/analyst programs they offer. If it's gone well, then at the end you can even straight up ask how can you best position yourself for one of these positions.

Read the Mergers and Inquisitions articles on networking; they're really helpful. Most of the contacts I found came from our alumni database or from looking up people in firms (a lot of MM/Boutique banks including elite ones have all their employees from Associate/VP upward).

 

well, did you at least do enough so you can write resume points relevant to IB? Especially if you are doing your internship abroad, what you actually did will be important since you can't write "Well-known bank name NYC

 
J_monkey:
well, did you at least do enough so you can write resume points relevant to IB? Especially if you are doing your internship abroad, what you actually did will be important since you can't write "Well-known bank name NYC

I intern in the channel sales department at the Asset Management company. I had a project where I put together a file that I copy and pasted information about different mutual funds. Other than that I haven't really done shit.

 

Do something worth talking about in an interview and placing on a resume. If you currently not receiving any tasks worth talking about then seek them out.

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It is to prove that you can hold down some sort of desk job. In addition to showing up to work on time at the pool or McDonald's, you now need to show up dressed appropriately and do something that involves the skillset from your college degree for $10/hour.

Think of it as a transition between prior summer jobs and an internship at an investment bank.

 

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I maintain a shitty gpa as well. A professor and now close friend of mine told me that its important to address it. Do so confidently and express your interests/concerns/etc. around it and you end up making yourself look alot better. I've had now multiple internship opportunities where the person whom I send a cover letter to actually emailed back just to note their respect for my openness about my 2.9 GPA. You will get people who are turned off by the gpa, but youll also get people that will say something along the lines of "Oh yeah, i remember freshman year! I barely maintained a 2.0, I'm just glad to see your drive, other analytical skills, etc." Say something like "Regarding my gpa, I hope that you can see my potential in more than a number. Freshman year was a real adjustment period for me. While I may not have maintained perfect grades, I was able to learn to code Excel macros and get bloomberg certification during that year, all while maintaining division one varsity athlete status."

Even if it's in conversation, just know how to address it. Maybe not so much in the investment banking world(I dont know much about it), but especially in things like trading, theres alot of guys out there that know that things come down to more than a gpa. Confidence is key.

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Yeah, I would agree with Ipso facto and say that they're probably pretty comparable with regard to recruiting. I would focus on other factors like school size and cost of attendance.

 

Hopefully you have a leadership position in a finance club and a high GPA. Do something meaningful this summer if you can't find work. Go save kids in Africa, double your money day trading, found a startup company, etc. Or officially start a company called Something Capital Management LLC and create a internship at a "fake" hedge fund.

 

I agree mostly with what Globan said minus the creating an internship with a "fake" hedge fund, I could definitely see bankers finding this disingenuous and calling you out in an interview. I think a summer service experience might be a very good bet. No one is going to look down on spending a couple months doing service in South America, Africa, even a poor region of the U.S.. If you actually have good intentions and think you will gain something from it that would be a good route to go. Additionally, I would try reaching out to alumni at your school and see if you can create something like an externship with their firm by working for a week or 2 or just shadow them for a couple days. This way you could at least have something finance related on your resume and someone from you school may be willing to help you out. Not having anything on your resume would definitely hurt you significantly, you have to be able to show them you did something with yourself this summer.

 

Take summer class and ask your professor to assign a "fake" research project he'll oversee unofficially. Ask your school's investment fund if you can cover some stocks over the summer Write articles for Wikinvest (dunno what it's called now)

DONT save kids in Africa and DONT start a new company and definitely DONT make up a fake company internship

 

I would highly recommend trying to intern at UBS Wealth Management if you can - that would open a lot of doors in terms of people to speak to and network with for landing a junior summer position. The hedge fund experience would be more ideal if you're interested more in S&T down the road -- that would be preferable than Wealth Management for you to sell yourself as a trader/sales person.

Coming from a non-target you still have a lot of options if you can contact alums from your school starting now, and try to learn more about what role/firm you'd ideally like to be at for the summer after junior year. Once you figure that out, it'd be a lot easier to advise you on what to do this summer in order to get there.

I've written posts for students coming from non-targets and how they should break into banking/consulting in the link below. feel free to get in touch.


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You need to find an internship with as much financial exposure as possible. I'd suggest looking into smaller banks or just spend some time doing the standard IB prep courses to differentiate yourself.

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I would say stay at the PE startup. I worry that the MO work, regardless of if you're at a BB or not, would not be as relevant and the PE work would be seen as more significant during the FT recruiting process. I wouldn't switch just because of a brand name firm.

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By the way I did not mention that the PE is unpaid and I am not technically employed by them ( no SS attachment and wouldn't show on background check) which is another reason why I'm leaning towards doing both given the BB is part time. The way I look at it is I'm basically volunteering for the PE firm, which to me says that it shouldn't be a problem, but like I said I'm not experienced in this. With that said, I have been told by several bankers the importance of having a finance brand name on your resume, regardless of the actual work or position.

 

Just an initial observation: You have way too many entries. Stick with 3 or 4 and expand on those. Reading your resume was like reading an essay.

Also, if you're going to block out organizations'/firms' names, you might as well block out all of it, along with the location. I already figured out where you go to school with a simple Google search.

 
Beretta:
Just an initial observation: You have way too many entries. Stick with 3 or 4 and expand on those. Reading your resume was like reading an essay.
Disagree. Too much space dedicated to "Leadership Experience" and I suggest cutting bullets or losing one of those clubs entirely in order to save space. "Professional Experience", on the other hand, is quite strong and OP should expand upon these internships - very diverse in activity and location and will certainly set him apart.
 

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From 10 rejections to 1 dream investment banking internship

“... I believe it was the single biggest reason why I ended up with an offer...”