What kind of kids do you think will be the most successful in the long run?

From what I've seen:
-Students of lower middle class that made it to a top 20
-Students that screwed up in HS then picked their shit back up together later on

 

People who fucked around in high school and early college and went to a mediocre state school to graduate without debt and still don't know what they want to do with lives. Ahem.. here's to being hopeful.

 
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People who fucked around in high school and early college and went to a mediocre state school to graduate without debt and still don't know what they want to do with lives.
Ahem.. here's to being hopeful.

Agreed

 
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Really interesting topic. Are we measuring relative success or absolute success?

I think that community's points are valid if measuring relative success. That is, a minority who came from a poor area that then went on to a top 20 UG and then to an M7 becomes a partner at MBB. That's pretty damn successful.

But if we are measuring absolute success--F500 CEO, a senator, college president--then there is no questions (unfortunately) that being white, male, and from an upper-class family with established roots is the most likely set of traits which lead to those elite positions.

 

I also agree with the part about failing. We all fail at some point, either personally, professionally or both. The earlier that happens, and thus we can learn our proverbial lessons, then the more time one has to become successful as a wiser person.

 

Success is extremely relative.

How to be successful:

  • Work hard / hustle to allow yourself to be given opportunities to succeed.
  • When opportunity arises be aware and savvy enough to make the best of said opportunity
  • Rinse / repeat
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Simple As...:

Success is extremely relative.

How to be successful:

- Work hard / hustle to allow yourself to be given opportunities to succeed.
- When opportunity arises be aware and savvy enough to make the best of said opportunity
- Rinse / repeat

thats about it

 

My best friends dad is the CFO of a F50 company. He has always said that to be very successful you have to have 2/3 following traits-extremely bright, very likeable and hard working. Those kids with all three are almost unstoppable.

"I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
 

I think that we focus a lot on the outliers, i.e. the CEOs of F500 companies and those few entrepreneurs that reach stratospheric success. But realistically, most of the people who we knew from high school that will become successful will be "ordinary" (ex. secure $250k-$1m annual salaries by their mid-late 30s). And if I were to predict those in my high school who are most likely to be successful, I think the top three traits are:

1) Went on to complete college- Yes, some famous entrepreneurs never finished, but frankly, they're in the minority. Completing college requires some degree of intellectual capacity and drive. This is probably the key indicator in most cases--for most people, the lack of a degree severely limits your opportunities. And yes, the engineering or accounting major is more likely to attain financial success than the music or art history major.

2) Likable disposition- Be careful to differentiate between "disposition" and "personality." I think that you can improve your personality in college to become more likable; but dispositions are more innate and difficult to change. Those who have always been bitter, excessively-sassy, cynical, overtly "fake", or otherwise unlikable face some serious headwinds in college networking and in employment interviews. That said, they can't just be blithely likable, there needs to be some savvy mixed in there too.

3) Supportive families/friends/significant others: Those from "good families" will naturally tend to have more opportunities, better connections, financial support, and proper guidance. But even in the absence of a supportive family, those who surround themselves with like-minded high-achieving friends or have a significant other who "gets it" will be better-positioned than those who associate with less-than-ideal individuals.

 
Jake Flash:

But realistically, most of the people who we knew from high school that will become successful will be "ordinary" (ex. secure $250k-$1m annual salaries by their mid-late 30s).

In which parallel universe do you live where this is possible?
 
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Jake Flash:

But realistically, most of the people who we knew from high school that will become successful will be "ordinary" (ex. secure $250k-$1m annual salaries by their mid-late 30s).

In which parallel universe do you live where this is possible?

Why not? That range is accurate for people in upper management at a F500, medicine, law, owning a small business and as you probably know, finance.

 

Usually the ones from affluent/supportive families or the trouble makers that aren't in prison.

Kids from affluent/supportive families becoming successful was explained great by the poster above.

Trouble makers usually are the ones that are not afraid to to take the big risk in their late teens early twenties.

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definitely agree with the OP about the poor (smart) kids who've hustled all their lives. massive chips on their shoulders and no entitlement issues. as long as they can fit in culturally, those kids will thrive anywhere and everywhere.

 
kidflash:

definitely agree with the OP about the poor (smart) kids who've hustled all their lives. massive chips on their shoulders and no entitlement issues. as long as they can fit in culturally, those kids will thrive anywhere and everywhere.

Are you describing yourself?

Either way, you're right.

 

Lot of good posts on here, I tend to agree with Jake Flash. Though to the OP's original question, I would say a big part of it is just raw intellectual power and the desire to turn it on. I know of a few people who were bums through high school and college but were blessed with high IQ's. One of them became extremely determined when he was in his mid 20's and is now ridiculously successful in his early 30's. There is no way he could have done what he has done without having an IQ north of 130. Similar to pro athletes who don't start playing their sport until their senior year high school. It doesn't matter for some how far they are behind because they can make it up with their god given ability. Of course that alone won't cut it. They do have to be personable as well.

 

interesting write up. would like to hear some insight from more seasoned folks

I'm on the pursuit of happiness and I know everything that shine ain't always gonna be gold. I'll be fine once I get it
 

Smarts and work ethic are way overrated; I learned this the hard way. That is not to say that they are useless. To the contrary, they are very useful when one has a very specific, life changing task to achieve. This is when one puts one's nose to the grindstone and carries on.

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"He that hath a beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no beard is less than a man." ― William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing
 

The two most important things are: #1 Like ability and networking skills to get into the right place at the right time. #2 The will to act on opportunities and the intelligence to execute (See above).

For #1: Read any of the @"CompBanker” posts on the topic to get an idea of how it works.

"He that hath a beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no beard is less than a man." ― William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing
 

1:55 to 2:05 (but you gotta watch from the beginning to get his reference)

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"I do not think that there is any other quality so essential to success of any kind as the quality of perseverance. It overcomes almost everything, even nature."
 

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