Do Companies Ask for your Transcript to Check Your GPA?

Do the HR of BB's check your college transcript to make sure you
aren't a liar?

Does anyone know of anyone who played this little game of gpa inflation
and actually got in the door, despite how its completely unethical and
a misrepresentation that may get found out?

Is It Okay to Lie About your GPA?

The answer to this question is no. You should never lie about your GPA as there is a significant chance that you will get caught and you will loose your opportunity to work on the Street - especially considering the fact that people at each bank have friends at all the others.

GGekko:
I'm sure they have their ways to find out if they want to (alums talk to deans). Your school might kick you out as well. Then the only financial advice you'll be providing is the synergies involved with super-sizing your happy meal.

User @gqbanker" shared that you do need to provide your transcript:

gqbanker:
I don't know if it's different for summer internships, but the full-time offer letter says "On or before your start date, please bring an official copy of your college transcript."

That being said - there are some ways that you can manipulate your GPA is you are desperate.

afftar:
  1. If your major/concentration GPA is better, put it instead. The beauty is that no one really knows, aside from the school administration, what major GPA entails, which allows you to include/exclude grades from various classes. Obviously, you shouldn't go to far: as in, don't include History of Art in XIV century Japan into your Finance major GPA.
  2. Rounding off. 3.35001 is really 3.4, if you think about it.
  3. Including grades from summer classes/other colleges. Almost always justifiable.
  4. Other creative ideas. I had a crappy freshman year, so until my senior year I'd put something like "GPA after freshman year" on my resume. Obviously, I've got a question about it on every interview I had, but who cares, I got an internship.

But do know that if you put anything other than your actual cummulative GPA, they WILL ask you about it on an interview. Have a good excuse. Also, counterattack: if your grades have been going up, push that aggressively to demonstrate that you can learn from your mistakes.

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here are examples where tactical manipulation is feasible: 1. provided ur transcript doesnt list gpa as yales doesnt, you can jump it up .03 ex 3.1 to 3.4; no more 2. lets say you need a little boost. take classes at a community college this summer, get a 4.0 and average that into ur gpa at ur school. on ur CV write "cumulative gpa."

 
Daniel T Bush:
here are examples where tactical manipulation is feasible: 1. provided ur transcript doesnt list gpa as yales doesnt, you can jump it up .03 ex 3.1 to 3.4; no more 2. lets say you need a little boost. take classes at a community college this summer, get a 4.0 and average that into ur gpa at ur school. on ur CV write "cumulative gpa."

I am graduated and would never do this myself, the question was posed purely as a hypoethical. I already work in the energy sector and this more applies to a situation my friends and i discussed.

We just hypothesized that you could go to extremes to have a basically falsified transcript sent to whoever requested it and make it look legitimate. Of course, the time and effort to do this well would have been better spent studying during your undergraduate years, but this as a last resort.

For the record ,I think it would be pathetic to do such a thing.

 
Daniel T Bush:
here are examples where tactical manipulation is feasible: 1. provided ur transcript doesnt list gpa as yales doesnt, you can jump it up .03 ex 3.1 to 3.4; no more 2. lets say you need a little boost. take classes at a community college this summer, get a 4.0 and average that into ur gpa at ur school. on ur CV write "cumulative gpa."

I did that without realizing it (using cum credits as opposed to my current college credits). Do BB's get angry if you leave off summer community college from your "List of Schools" on the application?

 
Pimur:
Daniel T Bush:
here are examples where tactical manipulation is feasible: 1. provided ur transcript doesnt list gpa as yales doesnt, you can jump it up .03 ex 3.1 to 3.4; no more 2. lets say you need a little boost. take classes at a community college this summer, get a 4.0 and average that into ur gpa at ur school. on ur CV write "cumulative gpa."

I did that without realizing it (using cum credits as opposed to my current college credits). Do BB's get angry if you leave off summer community college from your "List of Schools" on the application?

i dont no the answer to that. however, i can tell you: in the official yale CV handbook, it instructs you to only put down yale. putting down a previous college is only necassary if ur claiming ECs from that previous institution.

 

They can't check your transcripts w/o your permission, but I'm sure they have their ways if they want to(alums talk to deans). Your school might kick you out as well. Then the only financial advice you'll be providing is the synergies involved with super-sizing your happy meal.

 
GGekko:
They can't check your transcripts w/o your permission, but I'm sure they have their ways if they want to(alums talk to deans). Your school might kick you out as well. Then the only financial advice you'll be providing is the synergies involved with super-sizing your happy meal.

I don't know if it's different for summer internships, but the full-time offer letter says "On or before your start date, please bring a an official copy of your college transcript." I doubt they want to see transcripts of the 2 courses you took at community college.

 
ExGSBanker:
Daniel T Bush:
the examples i gave are legitimate. you cant just lie and put 3.6 when you have a 2.9, it is just not feasible. what i listed is feasible and actually number 2 is not unethical

They are not legitimate. Cheating is cheating. And by the way a GPA of 3.1 with an addition of 0.03 is 3.13 not 3.4

.3, youre right.

 

I did..should I remove it? In truth, it is cumulative..including xfer credits. I felt that if I were ever questioned, I would be able to offer a reasonable explanation.

 
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I think it depends on a bank whether they check your transcript or not. Usually, if they need a transcript, they ask for it during the interview process and not after.

In any case, lying about GPA is a bad idea. It will backfire. Improving/hiding the real GPA on your resume, though, is a possibility. Here are the methods I used and/or heard other people were using:

  1. If your major/concentration GPA is better, put it instead. The beauty is that no one really knows, aside from the school administration, what major GPA entails, which allows you to include/exclude grades from various classes. Obviously, you shouldn't go to far: as in, don't include History of Art in XIV century Japan into your Finance major GPA.

  2. Rounding off. 3.35001 is really 3.4, if you think about it.

  3. Including grades from summer classes/other colleges. Almost always justifiable.

  4. Other creative ideas. I had a crappy freshman year, so until my senior year I'd put something like "GPA after freshman year" on my resume. Obviously, I've got a question about it on every interview I had, but who cares, I got an internship.

But do know that if you put anything other than your actual cummulative GPA, they WILL ask you about it on an interview. Have a good excuse. Also, counterattack: if your grades have been going up, push that aggressively to demonstrate that you can learn from your mistakes.

 

What if you've already graduated? Will taking community courses post-graduation allow you to re-calculate your gpa in the ways you've already listed?

Would doing it post-graduation for mba reasons as well as lateral transfer be unethical???

My friend is in this situation, I'm trying to advise.

 

Okay, two things:

  1. Taking community college courses after graduation is kinda stretching it -- you did not earn those credits while in college. I'd go with putting your major GPA there, provided it's better.

  2. The whole idea is pretty ridiculous, if you look at it. "Taking community college classes -> faking GPA -> tring to get a chance for an interview -> first round -> Superday -> offer" has such a tiny statistical probability of success that only absolute desperation can provoke one into going there.

 
patents555:
If you are going to list a "cumulative GPA" that includes the grade you received from some crappy community college you had better list the community college on your resume/CV.
you do not need to list the CC. if, however, you are claiming ECs from that CC, than a notation of the CC is required.
 
Daniel T Bush:
patents555:
If you are going to list a "cumulative GPA" that includes the grade you received from some crappy community college you had better list the community college on your resume/CV.
you do not need to list the CC. if, however, you are claiming ECs from that CC, than a notation of the CC is required.

What are ECs?

 

How is that not unethical? Let's assume that someone goes to a good university and gets a 3.0 and then takes some courses at a community college over the summer. You're telling me that it is ok to include the community college grades in a GPA calculation and list it as the university GPA on the resume/CV without even mentioning the community college?

If that isn't unethical, it certainly seems shady. Most universities that list GPAs on transcripts don't factor in the community college grades in the overall GPA.

 

I wanted to get some more opinions...

If an applicant combines both community college and 4-year university gpa before graduating and only listing the 4-year university, with the gpa clearly marked as "combined gpa", would HR rescind an offer after transcripts were checked?

 
mohae:
I wanted to get some more opinions...

If an applicant combines both community college and 4-year university gpa before graduating and only listing the 4-year university, with the gpa clearly marked as "combined gpa", would HR rescind an offer after transcripts were checked?

u neednt list the cc. just put the 4 yr. write gpa.
 

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best angle would be become an assistant as a back door in then work on something like a CFA so they don’t even think of asking you for a GPA and hope for the best. If you have a felony it would be extremely tough unless somehow erased

 

If you transfer credit from other universities, like summer classes and even AP scores, to your main university, then it all gets included in your final official transcript and GPA calculation. Colleges generally will award a certain grade and credit for certain types of transfers, and it's not necessarily 1:1 (for example, they might not give you an A and 3 credits for a class at a community college, you might just get a pass). It even gets counted when your school calculates cum laude awards, etc. As long as all that stuff is officially there on your transcript, it's fair game. If your school doesn't include such things, well then I'd say you're out of luck.

 

I do know of a certain individual who faked his grades and is now working for a big bank and they love him as well...

they never asked for his final transcript....if they like you at the interview i think you are pretty much set..

besides, i dont see how they can access your transcript unless you bring it yourself..they can't call your school and order it on your behalf.

 
maestro_3:
I do know of a certain individual who faked his grades and is now working for a big bank and they love him as well...

they never asked for his final transcript....if they like you at the interview i think you are pretty much set..

besides, i dont see how they can access your transcript unless you bring it yourself..they can't call your school and order it on your behalf.

sure. bro, they all require grade verification. if you forge then youre kick out.

 

It's hit and miss, most places are able to do it, but some don't. The guy at merrills forgot what school I had gone to, but some guys had FBI style background checks. It depends, and is risky.

 

From my experience the majority do not. I received analyst offers and only 1 of the 3 BB did request an official copy.

Neither did 2 of the Big 4 (only applied at 2).

I know you would never consider doing it, and were just curious but - You probably don't want to begin your career on the foundations of unethical and illegal actions...

Or maybe you do, but you could end up like Scott Thompson!

 

Kinda of scary that all these boards are filled with people blanting lying about the most importent part of their resume. Is this adverse selection on these blogs or are like 20% of applicants doing it?

 

my guess is that it's more adverse selection. the liars feel compelled to respond and chime in to try and justify their reprehensible (and pathetic) behavior. hey liars, ever heard of earning it? you will keep lying about other things in your life and related to your job and you will get caught.

...reminds me of the lyrics to this song: "if you don't lie you don't have to remember what you told her." have fun remembering what you lied about, and have fun trying to convince yourself that "everyone does it". (or even " a lot of people do it") because the truth is most people don't lie.

 

Wow, you put 3.4 when it was a 3.1?

How far do you think we can push it and still get away with it? I wouldn't add more than 0.2 onto mine to be safe.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if lying happens a lot. I don't do it, but I know a lot of people that do because they figure GPA is only used to get your foot in the door. Once in an interview, everyone is supposed to be equal, right?

I think it's BS, but thats what they say.

 

This is what happens (at a top bulge), assuming you come from a target: 1. They gather the resumes collected on your schools resume submission site 2. You post an unoffical trascript on the site, this entails self reporting all your grades 3. They find the people they want to interview, typically those with 3.0+ and some work/EC experience 4. They interview you once, twice, three times 5. If you last, you are hired 6. Some on the first day, others long before, you bring in an offical transcipt 7. The offical is sent to HR 8. HR will compare offical with what you put on your resume 9. If they are roughtly the same, i.e., +/- .1, thats it 10. If there is a discrepancy, you are fired

 

they should really make it more known, WAAAY too many people lie on their resumes thinking they can get away with it. Hell just look at that guy who changed all his grades to 4.0. If they made it knowledgeble prior to applying that all transcripts will be scrutinized, they'd a) be able to weed out a lot more people b) give honest people a better chance.

 

but don't you think your chances for an offer will be slightly lower, if they have 20 people with 4.0 who lied on their resumes to whom they extend an offer?

for example: Lets say they have 100 spots to fill, but they offer the job to 150 people. Now in theory you'd qualify for spot #131 based on your gpa etc, but because of the people who lie on the resume hoping to slip thru the cracks, you don't even get an offer, because you end up being #151.

And background check they don't advertise on the application etc, so some people might not even know there is one. (i.e. that guy who made his gpa out to be 4.0, got the job, but then got fired a few months later)

 

exactly, this is why its good that Investment Banks are recruiting so early, because this way if you don't get a job in IB, there is plenty of time to find something else, and then you can always try again after you get your MBA.

But hey, I'm an optimist, so I can always see the good side of things...so if I don't get an IB position, I'll just look at it as getting 2 years of 9 to 5, instead of 2 years of 8 till 2.

So I win either way hehe.

 

They should've just done well is school so they wouldn't have to lie to make themselves attractive. Is there any sort of blacklist among wall street firms of people who have been fired because of lying on resumes ? Seems like lying will get you caught and then you have to explain yourself at future interviews, probably fruitlessly

 

zala still at it? I took the liberty to read thru the investment banking forum threads at vault for the past year all 4000 threads, and you are just as big of a douchebag on there, as you are here.

Some things I picked up from there. a) you talk a lot of shit b) you claim to be some hotshot target school student, yet you never proved it c) you pass off wrong information that you picked up from someone else, and claim it as your own.

A person like you is nothing special, there are dozens like that on each forum. Usually they are very young, have nothign going for them in real life, so they come on the forums and try to pass themselves off as experts, just to get some respect from other people.

So I'm going to take a few guesses about you, a) your gpa is probably in the 3.0 range b) you are a social retard c) you faint when a woman touches you, even from a hand shake d) you are probably not from a target school like you claim to be, I'm not going to say community college, but probably 3rd tier College, that noone even heard of on Wall Street. e) you are either a skinny guy who hasn't lifted 1 weight in his life, or a fattie that hasn't seen his toes since the 6th grade.

E-thugs like you don't bother me at all, its actually quiet amusing to me, so you should probably stop trying to get a rise out of me.

But hey you can always call me a faggot, to make yourself feel better.

 

if I know my ethugs...and I think I do, Zala will spew off something along the lines off: "yo yo yo, I have hundreds for friends, I have sex with super models every day, I drive a 760il, I can bench press 1000 pounds, and my dick is 12 feet long", with either posting googled/myspace pictures or not posting any "proof" at all

 

sometimes they dont check though. i do know people who outright lied about work experience on their resumes. i also know those who got 3.0s and morphed em into 3.5s. sometimes they get caught, sometimes they dont. its not worth the risk though. think about it, lets assume you get hired. you buy a bunch of suits/shirts/ties and you get an apartment. you prolly drop 10k on that shit. all of a sudden your 22/23 and unemployed with an apartment in nyc. honesty is the best.

 

"c) you pass off wrong information that you picked up from someone else, and claim it as your own."

if i'm gonna bring up secondhand information that isn't really mine, i always start off with "i heard that...." or "supposedly,...."

"E-thugs like you don't bother me at all, its actually quiet amusing to me"

is that why you went on a three-paragraph rant?

 

This whole resume scrutiny thing seems to be the case with the top US Bulge i-banks, but how about the "lesser" regional banks or ones in Canada. Anyone have any experience with the top 5 CDN i-banks? ie. RBC, TD, Scotia, CIBC, BMO? Do they keep official transcripts on file as well?

 

livingthedream:

you're telling me admin staff have been fired for fudging their CV's for retail banking jobs??!! you're kidding, right? who the f*ck would really care for an admin job?!

and yeah, in what way are they bullshit?

 

most ivys dont list a gpa on the transcript. they compare the gpa listed on the res with the gpa on the trascript. i worket in hr my soph year of college. we simply held them both up together. if they were roughly the same that was it.

 

What if your gpa is rounded up .3 pts to the nearest tenth on your resume but your transcript has all the correct grades? Do you catch alot of flak? If so I should not have taken my friends advice.

 

You can't round up .3 to the nearest tenth, because .3 is three-tenths. I think you probably meant 0.03. I wouldn't ding somebody for reporting a 3.7 when they actually had a 3.67... but I would ding somebody for reporting a 3.7 when they actually had a 3.4.

 

Mis Ind good detective work. My bad. I didn't feel fuzzy at the time, especially since on some online aps you could only select your GPA to the nearest tenth.

 
roadie2:
On a related note:

Do Banks/Employers check SAT scores? Are they even still listed anywhere?

They should be listed on your trasncript, I am sure they can call your school and ask as well.

 
kamilbas:
roadie2:
On a related note:

Do Banks/Employers check SAT scores? Are they even still listed anywhere?

They should be listed on your trasncript, I am sure they can call your school and ask as well.

Really? I can look at my unofficial transcript online through my school's online system and it just lists at the top what high school I was admitted from and what my major is. Then it's got my grades below it, and a cumulative GPA at the bottom. Anyone know if unofficial transcripts and official transcripts look the same, just that official transcripts are sent straight from the school whereas I can personally print an unofficial one out right now? In that case, my school (an ivy) doesn't list SAT scores on my transcript...I've never heard of schools doing this before.

 

think about it like this...

can your parents just call the uni up to verify results, NO.

you make a request to the uni to send it to the firm, they verify the shit out of it to make sure you aren't a lying dumb idiot who they should fire.

 

The firm has to have your permission before accessing transcript, right?

In that case, they'll probably ask you after initial interview screening since it would greatly increase the paperwork they'd have to look at. Or maybe even after firm. Probably varies like IBAnalyst says.

 
ThoughtMan:
The firm has to have your permission before accessing transcript, right?

In that case, they'll probably ask you after initial interview screening since it would greatly increase the paperwork they'd have to look at. Or maybe even after firm. Probably varies like IBAnalyst says.

they do ask for your permission. I also believe that some schools require that you give them additional approval beyond signing your paperwork in your offer letter/HR package.

 

I think when you return your signed employment contract (which comes with your offer letter), they ask you to provide official certifications of your qualification, which means you are to provide your transcript after you receive an offer.

Of course, if you lied in the resume, i wouldn't be surprised if they pull back on offer.

 
dvd56x:
Does anyone know for sure? If they don't see the transcript, people can take easy classes to boost their gpa.

I think it was 50/50 in transcript before/after offer. HR/outsourcing firm does not discern between easy & hard classes. So yes, a lot of people will take easy classes to boost up their GPAs. Although bankers will not look at the transcript class by class and look at the grading curves, we're all more impressed with a 3.2 Quantum Physics major versus a 3.8 MRS degree.

 

Depends. Lehman asked me for after I had submitted my resume and after the first round of interviews but well before anyone was offered a job. Some I've seen ask to attach an unofficial copy with your resume & cover letter. Others haven't said a thing about it.

 

Actually, for neither full-time or summer did I have to submit an official transcript. All they asked for was certification that I had graduated. Of course, I signed dozens of sheets of paper authorizing them to do pretty much whatever they wanted. So, they very well could've asked for one from the university with it, but I never sent them anything.

However, if you lied on your resume, pretty much assume they will find out.

--There are stupid questions, so think first.
 

A lot of firms won't ask for transcripts, but they require a release to access your academic records, and will hire a risk assessment company to run a background check, which includes verifying your academic records. But please, lie. I would love to have one more scumbag blackballed on the street.

 

Do comapanies really care about your major? I mean I have met guys who work for some big firm and they majored in stuff like government, IR and history. Granted these were guys who graduated from top 20 schools, but does the major really count that much in the hiring process?

 

I know so many people at my school who say "Emphasis in Finance and Accounting" (that's the concentration for 99% of the students), but they haven't even taken any finance/accounting electives yet. Sure, they probably plan to, but still. I guess if they know their technicals, it doesn't even matter.

 

if your transcript doesn't say that you are an econ MAJOR then it's a lie. you can have an emphasis in anything you want but they can easily find out what you are majoring in by asking you for a copy of your transcript.

 

Up until what point of your career, would employer care about your GPA and request a copy of your college transcript? Say, you graduated 5 years ago, worked in other industries (both finance related and non-related), and it's going to be your first Ibanking job. Would employer still ask for your college GPA and demand to see your transcript?

 

Get the transcript and send it in. If there were no grade requirements and you didn't lie on your resume they most likely will not reneg on your offer. They just need it to prove you graduated that's about it. Congrats on the job in this market.

I fulfilled my requirements of advice and reassurances now for the snide comment. Dude stop being a fucking pussy

 

I think you'll be fine. If they read your resume which doesn't have a GPA on it I don't think they're expecting you to have a 3.8 that you just randomly forgot to include. I'm sure they expect it to be pretty low (although you could still surprise them). I'm curious though, how did you end up landing an interview/getting the offer w/o listing your GPA on your resume. I can't imagine they would take that over all the 3.8+s applying without a damn good reason. Are you Michael Porter's son, triple majored at Harvard, and are applying to Monitor Group?

 

hahahahahahaha this is now a classic thread wonderful - MIT - arguably the best school in the country... 3.4

i'm gonna go crack another one to that. Dude chill out, you will be fine - you goddamn genious, you write it like you got a 2.3 a 'nova...

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The OP sounds like the coolest person to ever step foot on MIT campus. Hilarious. Good laugh I needed that.

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Where does it say he has a 3.4? The fact that his GPA is out of 5 makes it pretty clear that he is at MIT, however he said that he pulled a 4.5/5 in his LAST two years. Am I missing something?

 

3.4 out of 5 is equivalent to 3.4/5*4=2.7 out of 4. 2.7 is not a good GPA.

Everyone who bashed the OP deserves to be bashed themselves; for not being able to connect the dots. Unless ofcourse you didn't read the entire thread, but then you would have had no right to bash the OP in the first place.

To answer the OP - dude don't worry they will not rescind your offer, I am sure that you are competent to do the job, and if you get the job done then it is a matter of fitting in (sounds like you are doing well in this category).

 

why, do you plan to lie about scores/gpa? never a good idea.

if it's no good, don't put it on your resume (sat scores, can't really help gpa). if they ask, tell them the truth. don't mean to sound self-righteous but there's this little thing called ethics.

 

What is the general cutoff for putting your SAT scores on your resume? I go to a top school...but my SAT scores are slightly below average when compared to that of my peers.

 

oh if it isn't the guy who lied about his SAT scores and is new asking the exact same question, again.

don't worry man, they don't ask for that stuff. considering that you have no gain from telling them the truth now, why bother? take it from an expert ;)

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The practice puts me on edge for some reason. I have nothing to hide, but don't like to feeling of have to 'look over my shoulder' if I round my GPA up. What if someone has a problem with that? I don't want this to be an ethical issue, just one of facts so I can know what to expect. So do they request SAT scores? Official / unofficial transcripts?

 

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  • Goldman Sachs 19 98.8%
  • Harris Williams & Co. (++) 98.3%
  • Lazard Freres 02 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 03 97.1%

Overall Employee Satisfaction

March 2024 Investment Banking

  • Harris Williams & Co. 18 99.4%
  • JPMorgan Chase 10 98.8%
  • Lazard Freres 05 98.3%
  • Morgan Stanley 07 97.7%
  • William Blair 03 97.1%

Professional Growth Opportunities

March 2024 Investment Banking

  • Lazard Freres 01 99.4%
  • Jefferies & Company 02 98.8%
  • Goldman Sachs 17 98.3%
  • Moelis & Company 07 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 05 97.1%

Total Avg Compensation

March 2024 Investment Banking

  • Director/MD (5) $648
  • Vice President (19) $385
  • Associates (86) $261
  • 3rd+ Year Analyst (13) $181
  • Intern/Summer Associate (33) $170
  • 2nd Year Analyst (66) $168
  • 1st Year Analyst (202) $159
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (144) $101
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