MSF vs MFE
I would like to know which degree is more useful towards breaking into IB?
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MSF or MFE question for a fulltime offer holder (Originally Posted: 01/29/2014)
TNA, I specifically asked for you becasue i know that you are one of the most well informed regarding MSFs and MFEs. I also welcome other inputs from anyone with knowledge in the area.
Profile 3rd year student at McGill 3.0 GPA in economics 2280 on SATs 800 on Physics, Math IIC and Chem SAT IIs GMAT:720
Experience 2 months strategy internship at Fortune 100 2 months audit season internship at PwC 4 months financial consulting internship at Accenture 2 months strategy consulting internship at Accenture
I see how all my experiences cater towards consulting and I have a full time offer from Accenture as well however, I would like to pursue graduate level education in MSF or MFE.
I love consulting work and it is very enjoyable to me; however, for personal reasons, I would like to attend a top MSF or MFE program in the UK or US.
In the UK, I am hoping for imperial college (would I stand a chance at Said, Judge, or LSE?) but i have not much information on what I should aim for in the US. Words of wisdom would be much appreciated.
GPA is fine, would be better if higher, but whatever. McGill is a great school so that helps. GMAT is great.
If you want to do an MFE I would suggest you take some math classes at a local school or something. You'll need to beef up those stats. I am sure Illini will have more advice along those lines.
As far as MSF goes, I think you'll be competitive at most programs you apply to (US and International). You're GMAT is strong, your GPA is not going to really hurt you, McGill is a respected and known school and you have good work experience.
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which jobs for mfe /msf (Originally Posted: 01/16/2015)
hi i have a finance master available with 3 routes (some classes are same, rest are on the "majors")
-investments and wealth management -financial engineering -banking and risk management
so i choose with of the 3 is better propably i wanna work in europe
generally i wanna have the options to work in financial firm 80% (bank, hf, so on) (i am not well informed yet, so i am open for all jobs, trader, analyst, PM) and an 20% chance for corporate finance
with each of the routes, which positions can i fill? thanks
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go through schools in areas you're interested in living and check it out
Thoughts on MSF / MFE Degrees (Originally Posted: 11/23/2010)
I'm considering doing a MSF/MFE degree with the intention breaking into IB. However, I have a low GPA (3.0-3.2 range) from a top public but I project a 700+ gmat score. Additionally, I've done internships at a BB MO, small VC advisory firm, large F500 tech, F500 PWM. I'm doing a major in economics and a minor in math (possibly a double major in math/econ if I want). Additionally, the other issue is that I'm not so much interested in MFE programs due to the quantitative nature of the degrees (took a 400+ financial math courses and wasn't a huge fan of them, although I took some finance courses and liked those). Realistically, can I get into any MSF/MFE programs that would give me a good shot at IB? If so, which ones?
I am surprised you can't get a H1-B with your qualifications...I thought that you basically needed a BA. With good work exp and a masters, I would think somebody would hire you as is.
With regards to your question, Vandy's MFin has great recruiting; on the other hand, I didn't even know GTech had a quant fin program. Vandy will definitely give you a good shot at IB, and ER for that matter.
MSF vs MFE for International Student (Originally Posted: 05/03/2011)
Hi,
I am in a very peculiar situation and I need to make a decision in the next week. I am an international student in the US on a dependent Visa. I did my engineering from a tier 2 for undergrad and MBA from a top school in my home country. I also worked in corporate banking as a credit analyst for close to 2 years.
Now I choose to obtain to a US degree just to increase my job prospects (cannot work on the current Visa). I have an admit from Vandy for MSF and Georgia Tech for Quant fin.
I understand they are two different program to compare but for an international student which degree would provide better prospects. Post graduation, I am interested in research/ IB roles. Second in my preference is analyst position in advisory/consulting companies such as Deloitte etc. Also, location wise, I prefer to stay in the South due to family reasons (Atlanta being the top choice).
I have an FRM certification and giving my level 2 CFA this june.
Any advice would greatly help...thanks
Thank you for the reply TNA.
I do realize my GPA is on the low side, and I am trying to bring it up as much as possible. I was originally doing a double major in math and econ and have around 21 credits of math courses with A- B+ mostly. Would that be too low a grade for MFEs?
Could you recommend some schools which I should be aiming for both in the UK and US if possible? I am looking for Financial Services consulting industry output or investment banking output strong schools.
That was exactly my perception when I first decided to move here but my efforts till now have proven me wrong.
Then I decided to get a Masters and take up electives I haven't studied during B-school.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I am of the opinion that Vandy's general MFin would help better in obtaining non-NY positions compared to a more niche Quant Fin. BTW the program at Georgia Tech is called Quantitative and Computational Finance and is a joint program between their B-School, the famous Industrial Engineering DEpt (ISYE) and the Dept of Mathematics
An MSF is a generalist graduate degree in finance. Think pieces of all three levels of the CFA, with some other elements mixed in. In truth a masters in excel and powerpoint would be the best degree, but absent of that the MSF is the most directly related.
Now can you break in with a MFE (MAcc, MMS, insert random grad degree)? Absolutely. But you'll have to sell it and it will be slightly more difficult (depending on prior experience, program and personal skills).
In general, if you want to apply to banking positions and feel the need for a masters I would lean towards an MSF.
None because you don't have adequate english skills.
Depends on how high you can score above 700 on the GMAT.
I don't think it would be unreasonable to say that a 3.2 from a top public with 730 on the GMAT could place into Vandy.
...Anthony, am I wrong?
Vandy will have better placement in general; the school is better known for business/finance. And yes, it will place very well in the south. I actually cannot think of a better school for that region.
@"IlliniProgrammer" He can answer your MFE questions.
As for MSF programs, I can see you being competitive at Claremont, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, etc. All the regular suspects. Internationally, I am not as comfortable with giving odds, but check out LSE, Imperial, Bocconi, SSE, etc etc.
You have a good profile and will only get better if you can bump that GPA up a little.
well, why waste time of other people if you dont want to contribute in anything. I am just saying, i didnt think i pass some sort of examinations, if you dont know to answer, please remain silent.
well, why waste time of other people if you dont want to contribute in anything. I am just saying, i didnt think i pass some sort of examinations, if you dont know to answer, please remain silent.
I'd go the financial engineering route. I'd need more info to really answer appropriately, but FE programs tend to be more forgiving for non English speakers.
gpa to low for mfe
So... why do you want to do an MSF with a full time offer from Accenture? Is it because you want to live/work in the States? Usually, at least here in the States, MSF's are geared towards individuals that lack work experience and didn't find suitable offers after undergrad. If you get a decent offer then you should accept it and, after a few years of working, you should aim for a top 15 MBA. I guess in Europe, where the MSF is more of a mainstream degree, things are different.
MFE is a quant degree, doesn't have anything to do with IB
Because my fiancee got an offer from oxford medical for her phd and i would like to move to england with her thus i am looking for english or top north american msfs to up my chances in job searching in the UK
Well, an American MSF won't really do much for you in the U.K. and it will cost you a lot. Also, doesn't Accenture have an office located in London? Either way, if you want to work/live in Europe then you should definitely go to school in Europe (especially true for MSF). I'm quite sure that Bocconi or HEC Paris will give you a better shot in London than Vanderbilt or CMC would, and I'm positive that Imperial, Warwick, LBS would give you a better shot.
Just to clear some things for OP,banking and risk management will most likely land you in a BO/MO role in IB while the financial engineering route will lead you to Algorithmic trading(unless you're really keen on putting the effort to be good, I wouldn't suggest enrolling if you will only be average). So,in my opinion Investment and Wealth Management is going to be the best choice for yourself - anyways, it doesn't really matter what route you've chosen because most banks care about what you know rather than what you have studied.
Vandy places a lot on their interview. I have known people who had amazing stats, but bombed the interview and didn't get admitted.
With that said, this stats, mentioned above, would give you a great shot at Vandy.
Only look at an MFE if you are really comfortable doing very high level math and programming. That is the core of the program.
What about IE, ESADE and HEC? I know almost nothing about them, but you might want to look into the continental schools.
I am not very interested in continental schools although I appreciate the input.
Would I have a shot at any of the good international MSF (ie. Imperial/LSE/Oxford/etc.)
The UK has a bunch of really good MSF programs. Obviously check out LSE, Imperial, Warwick, Queens, UCL, etc.
IMO, you need to decided if you want a European MSF that can get you a job in London or do you want to study and be in London right now. It seems like you really want to not only work, but go to school in London. If so then the answer is really easy. Just make a list of schools in the UK offering the degree and apply to all of them.
Honestly, your profile is pretty strong. I don't think you will have much of an issue getting into LSE or some other very good schools.
You have no hope. Give up.
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