How to become a PE analyst out of undergrad?
Hi guys, I'm going to attend Wharton this fall. I know that every year a few top students can get jobs at places like Silver Lake and Blackstone as private equity analysts and I'm just wondering how to get a job like that. Besides keeping a 3.9+ GPA, what else should I do? Any advice is appreciated!!
Are you positive you even want to do this? I can't speak on whether it is better, but I've heard some prefer to first get the experience and branding at a top bank first. Anyone have thoughts?
Really? I thought top students at Wharton usually go straight to the buy side
I would speak to your peers at Wharton. I think the top of the top do, but I've heard cases where those who could pursue it still sometimes choose banking knowing they won't stay and will hop to PE after two years.
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Btw PE/HF positions aren't exclusive to Wharton. Students at Stern, Ross, Haas, Stanford etc. have been known to get PE/HF offers out of undergrad as well. There are a lot of cons to starting on the buyside first.
Also a lot of people prefer banking first before hopping over to the buyside. Know several students at Stern & Wharton who had buyside offers and yet decided to stick with banking first. Top students are smart and weigh out the pros and cons of the starting on the buyside first vs starting off on the sell side.
I'm still in IB, but after going through multiple processes I can definitely see why PE firms prefer sell-side experience.
Disagree that there is value in having the IB experience rather than jumping straight to mega fund PE if you can. You can jump to a HF after a few years from PE if you want and will gain a much better fundamental investing skill set after 2 years of PE over IB. Honestly not even up for debate
Since nobody is answering OP's question:
You ideally need to SA at a good group at a BB, a year BEFORE your peers (in sophomore summer).
What about interning at a boutique PE firm AND their recent SaaS acquisition for the summer between sophomore and junior year? How "sexy" does that look on a resume when applying to BB IBanking for summer between junior and senior year?
I think PE Internship is a must, and you need to have a lot of dedication to learn financial modeling on your own time before applying to PE firms. As PE firms don't have the resources to train you like an Investment Banking would.
Why don't PE firms hire straight out of university/college? (Originally Posted: 02/18/2014)
A question.
When looking at AM firms, they are inclined to take someone straight from uni and training him/her to have an investment philosophy that would suit the company. Is one of the reasons why private equity companies don't do this that they don't have this kind of "philosophy" or that technically working in the private markets sphere is more difficult than in the public markets sphere or is it because they are not looking for a new hire to contribute to investment idea generation that early on than an AM does?
And one more question. How different is working in private equity in small-cap vs MF? If someone is interested to go end up in small-cap in the end, does it make sense to try to find experiences that would give the most direct experience?
Short answer: PE firms run lean and don't want to spend the money training and developing analysts when there are fields (e.g. banking) that produce candidates with the skillsets and experience they are looking for.
Pretty much it. PE firms keep their overheads low so that bonuses and comps can be better distributed. Also MM and BB PE firms usually need people who can hit the ground running, since their dealflow is pretty fast-moving.
A lot of MM PE firms hire out of undergrad if you go to the right schools
As goblan says a number of PE firms do recruit out of undergrad, including some MM firms and many of the larger funds. But they are far more interested in your technical knowledge than most banks because of the factors Hugh Myron talked about. I had interviews with a "upper MM" PE firm and both first and second rounds were 100% technical and went well beyond what is in the ib interview guides.
they do. i am a summer analyst at a MF this summer!
edit: i go to a semi-target. it was mostly networking (one of the senior md's went to my school and knew a teacher who i TA for) along with a killer gpa. currently doing an unpaid equity research internship while attending classes, which allowed me to talk about investing knowledge.
mrdraper - wrt your last question on working at small vs. large PE fund, hard to answer, all firms are different. Don't think any two MF programs are really the same, for example
In general - at smaller firms, environment is less structured (e.g., with smaller teams) and will be chasing smaller companies/investments, which are often less sophisticated vs. larger companies. Thus, more likely to be working with B/C-grade management teams, who are not accustomed to the level of analysis that most PE firms require - this could mean there's more opportunity for improvement within small/MM buyouts, but takes lot of work to get there. Obviously, there are exceptions to this, as there are plenty of small companies run by excellent managers, and vice versa
Also would point out that there are a LOT more small/MM PE funds than large PE funds, so there's often more competition for deals in the middle market. The extent to which this is relevant will depend on the small/mid PE firm's strategy (e.g., will be less relevant for small/MM PE firms that try to avoid auction processes), but will generally have more competition in the middle
Working in PE Firm straight out of college? (Originally Posted: 10/03/2017)
Hey WSO,
So I'm currently a senior in college and looking at job opportunities, and one job I'm currently looking into is at a boutique PE firm around Cleveland, OH. I've had two phone interviews which I thought have gone really well, and I'll be visiting the office next week for a formal interview and "meet the team", I believe. From what I understand, getting into PE straight out of college is a pretty difficult task. So my question would be if this would be a great opportunity that I should definitely take, or if I should weigh my options differently. From their website, most everyone on their team is an Ivy Leaguer as well, whereas I'm currently attending a Big Ten school. If not here, I'd probably be doing a rotational program in either capital markets or Asset Management. I'd also be more than happy to provide any more details or clarifications upon request. Thank you in advance!
" So my question would be if this would be a great opportunity that I should definitely take, or if I should weigh my options differently."
Well, it depends on what your ultimate career goals are (or what you think they might be). Don't just do something because people on here think PE is "cool" or the promised land.
You should definitely ask if they've ever taken on junior guys right out of college before and where those guys are today.
Some positives are that you're immediately on the buyside and don't have to deal with a lot of the BS in IB. Downsides (relative to your other opps) are that the learning curve will likely be much steeper (PE firms aren't set up to teach people how to do stuff) and there likely won't be a formal training program, small firms are inherently riskier, etc.
PE out of college...what's the pay? (Originally Posted: 06/08/2007)
So, I'm curious...we hear every once in a while about making the leap straight to PE.
I know we are easily able to find what banker pay looks like on this site...
but how about PE? what does a first-year PE analyst usually get paid?
also, meant to add:
generally, what do PE pay structures look like? is bonus similar to the base salary (like banking) or do you get more of your money up front in your salary?
my friend got hired straight out to do pe in DC and he's getting somewhere around 55k with a 10.5k bonus
Real Estate PE or Buyout?
Do you know which firm?
interesting...would have thought it to be higher. any details about they type of firm he's working for?
Aren't the hours generally better in PE than IB?
wow, and i thought my question was borderline-rookie.
Out of all those groups, the only one you can check is Blackstone, bc none of the others hire undergraduates, and i'm not sure where you could find a Blackstone estimate.
The words of Carlyle Asia's director are:
"You have to be a genius who already knows everything he could learn from investment banking and who's accomplished a lot for us to even consider you[to hire you out of undergrad]
thanks for the reply, warhawk. you may be right that blackstone is the only PE firm to regularly hire out of undergrad, but i do know for a fact that warburg has done so in the recent past, if not regularly...
I think the roles for associates right out of undergrad vary quite a bit, but aren't a lot of associates spending most of their time doing market research, cold calling people, and sourcing deals in general?
If so, what do people in this kind of role generally get?
know a friend who's interning w/ ms peg this summer. college junior. not acct/fin background. hours are absolutely brutal, though. at the end of the day, you have to contribute something to justify the money and the "glory" of being a pe analyst you get right out of college, and the least you can do is by putting in additional hours (supposedly worse than banking counterparts at ms)
note that this is only for the hk office. not sure about ny/lnd..
I'm going into MM PE straight out of college (not NYC, cost of living for the city I'm going to is very, very reasonable) and my base and bonus are higher than those listed for the DC job on here. Not as high though as ibanking for a BB (but lower cost of living plus much fewer hours worked - 60 vs 90) more than makes up for it.
I know a kid who works as an analyst for a PE group within a BB that is co-invested in a deal with us. He works less than analysts in the IBD but more than me in terms of hours. Pay scale is exactly the same as the banking kids.
My first year PE analyst comp was 50k base and 25k bonus (no sign-on bonus). This seems relatively "light" but it was a start-up fund when I joined and we have closed on several multi-billion dollar front page type deals since then so my compensation has improved significantly.
I work 60 hours a week and rarely if ever on weekends.
PE after school (Originally Posted: 11/02/2014)
You got offers from both? Take CCMP. Better name and better program.
CCMP is legit.
Audax has a sweatshop reputation, no idea about CCMP.
Echo the above on Audax. In addition to stuff on glassdoor (if I remember correctly, don't feel like looking it up now) 1-2 people I know have described it as a thankless sweatshop, as have some people at the top that I have met and looked it. Can't comment on CCMP though.
thanks guys! any info on CCMP would be super helpful. appreciate the insight.
Audax is definitely a sweatshop, but it is very well respective. You'll do a ton of deals and you'll get a lot of experience. Similar to investment banking, it is like "bootcamp." They don't pay that much relative to other PE firms because they hire an army of junior folks to dive deeply into every detail of every opportunity.
Bottom line: Great place to learn and position your career, but you'll work like a dog.
Both great places to launch your career. CCMP is already an "MF" as far as I'm concerned, so if that's your goal and they will career track you, I suppose that choice makes the most sense. It also has a better brand from a recruiting standpoint than Audax.
However, to echo compbanker on Audax -- the analyst program gets a bad rep because it's a meat grinder from a work-life balance standpoint... but honestly as an unencumbered 22yo you should seek out that kind of early career immersion, in my opinion, given that all of your 22yo competitors are going to be running equally hard at the big banks. I have also seen quite a few former Audax ppl at at upper MM and megafunds for their associate years, so I doubt you'll have a problem matriculating into an MF program if you want to go that route out of Audax. More importantly, Audax does so many f'ing deals that the kids who do 2-3 years in that program end up having more notches on their deal bedpost than most VPs at larger funds, and in my experience have the skillsets to reflect that.
As a meta/market comment: Audax -- along with a small handful of other institutionalized MM PE shops -- is uniquely set up to win auctions while still generating compelling returns. I bet if you look at market share in intermediated deals, Audax and maybe 10 other firms are doing 10% - 20% of total deals in a given year, with that percentage increasing over time. Consequently a lot of smaller MM vanilla buyout shops that are more focused on deal artistry (aka JAMMBFs) are essentially homeless right now. So while it may not be CCMP today, I would be long Audax from a brand reputation standpoint.
I'd be interested in hearing your further opinion on this, especially the reasons Audax is set up differently. Genuinely curious.
Do you have offers from both? Are both in the NY office?
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