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by hopefulfuturebanker User's RSS Feed (Senior Monkey, 89 Banana Points Points) on 7/21/10 at 8:21am

Why do people who have just started or never done banking always say private equity is the next step. Is it just the easiest answer? Is the pay and lifestyle really that much better? Also, doesn't it suck that you no longer have a large group of people your age to hang out and bitch to? What are the actual pros and cons of each for people that have actually done it?

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Have you checked out Mergers

by zbb User's RSS Feed (Baboon, 168 Banana Points Points) on 7/21/10 at 9:14am

Have you checked out Mergers and Inquisitions?

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Well I'm currently not in

by suchislife User's RSS Feed (Senior Monkey, 80 Banana Points Points) on 7/21/10 at 10:09am

Well I'm currently not in banking. I would say at least speaking for my self, that PE offers a gate way into real business, for example if you ever wanted to own a corporation and build upon that platform and create an internationally competitive company private equity might offer the skills to do just that.

I might be naive in saying this but I see PE as a tool to change industries and truly create something great down the road. I currently see a lot of growth in Central, South, America, and the Caribbean (Dom. Rep.) the problem in these areas is that most of the industries are controlled by large family owned monopolies, in order to compete you must have some muscle behind you equity wise as well as debt wise, thus I see PE as a way to eventually compete in that arena and truly strive to do something great. Is PE the only way to achieve this? NO but sill it is one of the ways to do it.

I might be naive but that's my 2 cents.

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I second zbb. Here's the

by Frabjous User's RSS Feed (Baboon, 103 Banana Points Points) on 7/21/10 at 10:22am

I second zbb.

Here's the direct link the the most important post:
http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/investment-banking-exit-opportunities

My personal opinion: probably a lot of people aim for PE, at least initially, because it's the "default" answer. Just like M&A is the default answer for undergraduates who don't have a good idea of how banking works and just like m. consulting is the default answer for people who are really undecided on what to do. Nothing wrong with that: not many have a clear idea of what they want to do at the age of 21, and IBD/consulting are flexible/prestigious enough to allow good opportunities afterwards, so I guess they are a good safe bet.

Going for PE because it's a "default" seems less excusable to me.

Personally, I've started thinking about PE in the last couple of weeks because it seems that there's some part of that sector which overlaps somewhat (in skills and transferrability) with venture capital and strategy/restructuring, and prepares you somewhat for entrepreneurship. Now, I am anything but sure about this, so I am getting some feedback from alumni and people who know something about the field even if they are not into it.

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Because PE is amazing. You

by CompBanker User's RSS Feed Certified User (Neanderthal, 2258 Banana Points Points) on 7/21/10 at 11:01pm

Because PE is amazing. You get paid a great deal more than bankers and you work a heck of a lot less. Your income is incredibly stable due to management fees, so even if a downturn comes you're still going to get paid. Bankers and other service providers respond to you --- you set the pace. If you need an extra day to get something done, it is never a problem. If you don't call someone back, nobody is going to call you out on it. Even as an associate I've got service providers sending me small gifts and offering to take me out to sporting events. Honestly, it doesn't get any better.

To top it off, the work can actually be very interesting. I travel a lot, and travel is much, much more fun when you're only working 50-60 hour weeks. You get to enjoy dinners, have drinks at the hotel bar, go to the hotel pool, etc. I actually look forward to getting new deals in house, and often times I request to be put on certain deals that I find interesting.

So, yes, PE is everything that it is hyped up to be. Unfortunately -- so is banking.

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CompBanker

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CompBanker, Do you work at a

by TheHungryOne User's RSS Feed (Baboon, 104 Banana Points Points) on 7/21/10 at 11:43pm

CompBanker,
Do you work at a MM firm?

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Of course.

by CompBanker User's RSS Feed Certified User (Neanderthal, 2258 Banana Points Points) on 7/22/10 at 7:23am

Of course.

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Frabjous's picture

A question for you, then: I

by Frabjous User's RSS Feed (Baboon, 103 Banana Points Points) on 7/22/10 at 7:53am

A question for you, then: I know that almost everyone here around gets horny when they hear KKR and so forth, but name recognition aside, isn't there an overwhelming advantage in working at a MM? I mean, generally speaking, don't you have a better contact with the seniors & more view on different aspects of the deals ==> better learning opportunities?

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CompBanker, sent you a PM.

by jc100021 User's RSS Feed (Baboon, 125 Banana Points Points) on 7/22/10 at 9:31am

CompBanker,

sent you a PM.

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I've read the m&i posting,

by hopefulfuturebanker User's RSS Feed (Senior Monkey, 89 Banana Points Points) on 7/22/10 at 9:59am

I've read the m&i posting, but just wanted real testimony from someone who has done it. It's insane for me to imagine that by then end of 2010 headhunters will be contacting me for the next job and I just started. I'm just trying to get a decent understanding of the options. How hard is it to land a mm pe job from a top bb coverage group not Goldman? I know some people are doing it next year in my group, but don't know te difficulty.

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Don't just do it because it

by fk User's RSS Feed (Senior Monkey, 67 Banana Points Points) on 7/22/10 at 12:05pm

Don't just do it because it is the logical "next step". If you live and breathe executing deals, go for it. If you see it as a good platform to do something else later, go for it (but do think about what that something else is and actually stick with your plan). If you just like getting paid a shitload of money for work that isn't super hard and is semi-stable then go for it. But most (I'd say shops that compbanker work at are the exception and not the rule) shops are still totally focused on financial engineering and the associate role is basically the banking analyst role with a little more responsibility and a little less/more predictable hours.

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I've recently became

by schifm08 User's RSS Feed (Senior Monkey, 91 Banana Points Points) on 7/22/10 at 4:11pm

I've recently became interested in PE because as it currently stands, it's my best shot due to a few contacts I have. I've put in over 270 applications and resume/cover letter submissions for analyst positions in M&A and am still very interested. But I really want to hear and learn more about PE.

Comp, can you either post on here or send me a PM of what a week is like for you?

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schifm08 wrote: I've recently

by CompBanker User's RSS Feed Certified User (Neanderthal, 2258 Banana Points Points) on 7/25/10 at 10:50pm
schifm08 wrote:

I've recently became interested in PE because as it currently stands, it's my best shot due to a few contacts I have. I've put in over 270 applications and resume/cover letter submissions for analyst positions in M&A and am still very interested. But I really want to hear and learn more about PE.

Comp, can you either post on here or send me a PM of what a week is like for you?

Impossibly difficult question, I've been at my shop for about a year now and so much of it just depends on what stage of the deal process you're in or what project you're currently undertaking. Maybe a few broad categories will help.

New Deal Evaluations: This could take up 80% of my time or 5% of my time in a given week, depending on what's going on. Overall, it's where I spend the majority of my time. This involves the following:
- Reading offering memorandums (I probably read about 1 a week recently)
- Reading / marking up documents of 3rd party providers (Legal documents, industry reports,environmental reports, IT reports, etc. etc.)
- Conducting phone calls and responding to requests from lenders regarding an opportunity. Often involves answering the same question a bazillion times and sending over a new LBO model every time someone makes the most minor tweak.
- Analyzing data in a dataroom or provided by a company. Talking to management / bankers about the company.
- Discussing the opportunity with the team.
- Preparing presentations/documents to our investment committee for investment approval.
- Facility/diligence visits.

Portfolio Company Monitoring: Usually 10% of my time, but every few months it will be 75% of the week.
- Reviewing company materials (monthly reports).
- Responding to 1-off questions or comments from management.
- Preparing or assisting in the budgeting for the following year (some CFOs do this alone, others require a lot of hand holding).
- Special Projects (this could literally be anything).
- Attending Board meetings / dinners / misc phone calls (just a couple days each quarter).
- Refinancing a portfolio company that is busting covenants (this recession has made this a more common experience for many associates, i'd imagine).

Internal Projects: Not a significant part of my job, usually just a day a quarter to compile reports.
- Preparing reports on our portfolio to our internal team and limited partners. (Ultra-lame, nobody likes this)
- Improving internal procedures, such as adding functionality to our LBO model or other templates.
- Company events (summer party, winter party, deal closing party ... yes, lots of partying!)
- Going to Boston Red Sox games with service providers that want our business (probably went to a half-dozen games in my first few months on the job, usually as a tag-along with the senior guys, but recently I've been getting my own, personal invites).

Of course there are a number of other things that are a part of the experience, but they are more one-offs. For example:
- Selling a portfolio company.
- Fundraising.
- Recruiting the next class of associates.

That's pretty much it. I probably spend about 1/3rd of my time on the phone or in meetings. As for travel, according to my "files," I spent 52 of my first 365 days on the road.

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CompBanker

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CompBanker's picture

Oh and, please go easy / have

by CompBanker User's RSS Feed Certified User (Neanderthal, 2258 Banana Points Points) on 7/25/10 at 10:51pm

Oh and, please go easy / have patience with the PMs...

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CompBanker wrote: schifm08

by Guest1655 User's RSS Feed (Senior Orangutan, 400 Banana Points Points) on 7/27/10 at 1:43am
CompBanker wrote:
schifm08 wrote:

I've recently became interested in PE because as it currently stands, it's my best shot due to a few contacts I have. I've put in over 270 applications and resume/cover letter submissions for analyst positions in M&A and am still very interested. But I really want to hear and learn more about PE.

Comp, can you either post on here or send me a PM of what a week is like for you?

Impossibly difficult question, I've been at my shop for about a year now and so much of it just depends on what stage of the deal process you're in or what project you're currently undertaking. Maybe a few broad categories will help.

New Deal Evaluations: This could take up 80% of my time or 5% of my time in a given week, depending on what's going on. Overall, it's where I spend the majority of my time. This involves the following:
- Reading offering memorandums (I probably read about 1 a week recently)
- Reading / marking up documents of 3rd party providers (Legal documents, industry reports,environmental reports, IT reports, etc. etc.)
- Conducting phone calls and responding to requests from lenders regarding an opportunity. Often involves answering the same question a bazillion times and sending over a new LBO model every time someone makes the most minor tweak.
- Analyzing data in a dataroom or provided by a company. Talking to management / bankers about the company.
- Discussing the opportunity with the team.
- Preparing presentations/documents to our investment committee for investment approval.
- Facility/diligence visits.

Portfolio Company Monitoring: Usually 10% of my time, but every few months it will be 75% of the week.
- Reviewing company materials (monthly reports).
- Responding to 1-off questions or comments from management.
- Preparing or assisting in the budgeting for the following year (some CFOs do this alone, others require a lot of hand holding).
- Special Projects (this could literally be anything).
- Attending Board meetings / dinners / misc phone calls (just a couple days each quarter).
- Refinancing a portfolio company that is busting covenants (this recession has made this a more common experience for many associates, i'd imagine).

Internal Projects: Not a significant part of my job, usually just a day a quarter to compile reports.
- Preparing reports on our portfolio to our internal team and limited partners. (Ultra-lame, nobody likes this)
- Improving internal procedures, such as adding functionality to our LBO model or other templates.
- Company events (summer party, winter party, deal closing party ... yes, lots of partying!)
- Going to Boston Red Sox games with service providers that want our business (probably went to a half-dozen games in my first few months on the job, usually as a tag-along with the senior guys, but recently I've been getting my own, personal invites).

Of course there are a number of other things that are a part of the experience, but they are more one-offs. For example:
- Selling a portfolio company.
- Fundraising.
- Recruiting the next class of associates.

That's pretty much it. I probably spend about 1/3rd of my time on the phone or in meetings. As for travel, according to my "files," I spent 52 of my first 365 days on the road.

Awesome post.

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I've recently became

by hangers10 User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 4 Banana Points Points) on 7/27/10 at 9:21am

I've recently became interested in PE because as it currently stands, it's my best shot due to a few contacts

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CompBanker Excellent post,

by Cmoss User's RSS Feed (Senior Baboon, 221 Banana Points Points) on 7/27/10 at 3:38pm

CompBanker

Excellent post, how did you get into PE?

www.directpointe.com

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CompBanker's picture

Cmoss

by CompBanker User's RSS Feed Certified User (Neanderthal, 2258 Banana Points Points) on 7/29/10 at 9:50pm
Cmoss wrote:

CompBanker

Excellent post, how did you get into PE?

Two years of slugging it out in middle market M&A followed by applying to PE shops.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CompBanker

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Biggest adjustment I've dealt

by TheKing User's RSS Feed Certified User (Senior Gorilla, 818 Banana Points Points) on 8/2/10 at 9:03am

Biggest adjustment I've dealt with since moving from MM IBD to MM PE is the difference in urgency. As CompBanker said, there just isn't the same insane deadline pressure as there is in banking. Maybe this isn't true for the KKRs and Carlyle's of the world, but at my MM firm, there aren't kill-yourself, work-all-night deadlines. This has been (and likely will be) the hardest adjustment for me to make by far (but a very nice adjustment at that.)

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Less work, get paid $200+ /

by Classic User's RSS Feed (Baboon, 170 Banana Points Points) on 8/8/10 at 4:13pm

Less work, get paid $200+ / year, $250K+ at the bigger funds. If you get a good place that has chill hours, there's no real downside.

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CompBanker, Are you Pre-MBA

by TheHungryOne User's RSS Feed (Baboon, 104 Banana Points Points) on 8/9/10 at 10:52pm

CompBanker,

Are you Pre-MBA or Post-MBA? For the most part, are you enjoying PE? Do you plan on staying in it for the long haul?

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CompBanker's picture

TheHungryOne: I'm Pre-MBA.

by CompBanker User's RSS Feed Certified User (Neanderthal, 2258 Banana Points Points) on 8/19/10 at 8:41pm

TheHungryOne:

I'm Pre-MBA. I'm really enjoying PE, this is definitely what I want to do for my career. I do want to go to business school and will be taking a 2 year hiatus from PE if I get into one of the schools on my list. Then, straight on til partner (let's hope...)

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CompBanker

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If asked in an interview you

by Marcus_Halberstram User's RSS Feed Certified User (Neanderthal, 2244 Banana Points Points) on 8/21/10 at 4:31pm

If asked in an interview you need to say "the money motivates me, but the love keeps me grounded"

I personally, got into IBD in order to have access to PE jobs. I didn't want to be a banker when I was in college, I wanted to be a PE guy.

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I know this is a PE thread so

by lever up User's RSS Feed (Senior Monkey, 72 Banana Points Points) on 8/24/10 at 11:39am

I know this is a PE thread so obviously most of the comments have been regarding PE - but what do you guys think the advantages of PE over hedge fund work are?

I have a few years before I have to make that decision but am currently thinking about both.

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