No it 100% would not. Everyone freaks out about a single class or single grade or W. No bank is going to rescind an offer and go through the process of trying to find a new candidate based on something so small. Your candidacy is involves many aspects of your life and background. Don't get hung up on this.

"I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
 

I wouldn't freak out. Sometimes it takes HR a bit to get everything together. Also, keep in mind we are going into the holiday season; you may not be top priority at the moment. So, just because you haven't received your written offer doesn't mean you don't have a job. Everyone is cutting costs; maybe they sent it snail mail or something.

I would say if you haven't heard anything by the end of the year you should send a follow up email saying you haven't received anything in the mail and that you just want to make sure there wasn't a mix up in the mail. That's what I would do at least. Did they give you any indication as to when you should receive the written offer?

 

They said I should get it by the end of the year. What worried me was the fact that the person hasn't called me to ask me where to send it to. The reason why I'm so paranoid is because one of my buddies at the same bank IB division got laid off recently.

 

I agree with xqtrack; I wouldn't be too worried. This type of stress is tough to deal with though. I got my offer a little over 2 months ago; there was a brief period in which I stressed because of all of the announced layoffs. At the end of the day it's out of your control and its not worth losing sleep over (easier said than done I admit).

What you really need to remember is that you are not costing the company anything right now (with the exception of a signing bonus, which I believe do not usually go out until 1Q09).

 

They aren't going to give you an offer one week and then rescind it the next. Offer letters are typically sent for next day delivery, so they still have time. Heck, it could be a matter of the HR person just procrastinating and being generally lazy. Flipping out is the last thing you need to do right now.

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whatwhatwhat:
you are completely fucked

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My friend got an offer from a Fortune 500 company. His GPA is above 3.0 but he got a bad grade in one particular class that might be relevant to the position. And now he's scared if the company might take the offer back coz of that one bad grade. I told him to chill and that he's thinking too much. It's not like he's lying bout it or something. It's just that they never asked for his transcript in the whole application process. But what do you guys think?

 
gstackle32:
Yep, definitely can be a dealbreaker. Especially if the class is in any way related to finance or accounting.

Oh really? Well, he's got a lot of good work exp.. He's just scared that this one grade might take away his chance to get his dream job... Would HR be concerned with it? I mean he already got the offer.. So he's well qualified for it.

I don't know what the whole transcript process works... Is it like HR is just gonna check the accuracy of it and be done with it (for admin purposes only) or are they going to analyze it and report it to higher-up if they see a bad grade?

 

Your friend has made one of the biggest crucial mistakes in his career, but luckily it's early on. He should phone HR and try to get in contact with the person who interviewed him. If he explains the situation and tells the truth the firm will likely appreciate his honesty and might overlook it when they ask for his transcript from the school.

Make sure he gets on the phone asap.

 
Determined:
Your friend has made one of the biggest crucial mistakes in his career, but luckily it's early on. He should phone HR and try to get in contact with the person who interviewed him. If he explains the situation and tells the truth the firm will likely appreciate his honesty and might overlook it when they ask for his transcript from the school.

Make sure he gets on the phone asap.

I mean he did not lie or hide it. It's just that no one asked him to submit his transcript when he went through the whole interview process.

Update: He said he'll just submit his transcript. Then wait and see if the HR will ask him bout that class or not. And if they do, he's gonna explain what happened with it..

What do you all think?

 

forreal....this doesn't matter. 1) he didn't lie/deny anything 2) no one cares about one grade from one class that may or may not be pertinent to the job. just chill

 

Can't tell for sure. Since it's a regional boutique you could be okay. Best to contact the specific folks that want to give you the internship and fill them in --- by phone and not email. If they're on board they can lead the way with a call to HR dept and then you'll likely be fine.

"Hey guy who wants to hire me, I just noticed on the employment app that I received from your HR department that there's an expected GPA of 3.5. I think I'd be a great fit with you and fellow guy who wants to hire me + hopefully lighten your workload + I'm really looking forward to working with you, but I only have a 3.2 GPA. However, I think my (fill in blank) offsets that + hope you do too. Still want me to fill out the app? If so, any chance you could pave the way for my soon-to-be-returned completed app by making a call to HR?"

Don't just send that completed app back and cross your fingers; be proactive!

 

You've already sent them your transcripts, correct? I think if it was a big deal they would have checked your transcripts and ended the process once they found out you didn't meet the GPA requirement. I'm sure the GPA requirement is an HR thing meant to thin the stack of resumes that come in, and your future boss has more than enough power to override that. But it might be a good idea to reach out preemptively so the first your boss hears of it isn't when HR sends him an email telling him you don't meet the GPA requirement...

 

You've already sent them your transcripts, correct? I think if it was a big deal they would have checked your transcripts and ended the process once they found out you didn't meet the GPA requirement. I'm sure the GPA requirement is an HR thing meant to thin the stack of resumes that come in, and your future boss has more than enough power to override that. But it might be a good idea to reach out preemptively so the first your boss hears of it isn't when HR sends him an email telling him you don't meet the GPA requirement...

 

Ya when I applied through my school job board my transcripts were sent along to them as well. I also noticed that the job descriptions were different between the careers page and the job board, so not really quite sure what's up with that. That's a good idea about emailing them though, I'll definitely try that out thanks!

 

If you really want this not to be recorded, I would suggest hire a lawyer (~$1000) and plead not guilty. Go to court and make the judge 'drop the case'. Then you won't have to worry about anything.

 

People get warrants without knowing about it all the time... not sure how one gets a drug paraphernalia warrant without knowing, but it happens

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough. "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.
 

I'll pass a drug test no problem. The arrest was years ago and the pipe legitimately didnt belong to me. It was my girlfriend's and i put it in my bag to give to her the next time I saw her and just forgot about it.

 
Startop:
I'll pass a drug test no problem. The arrest was years ago and the pipe legitimately didnt belong to me. It was my girlfriend's and i put it in my bag to give to her the next time I saw her and just forgot about it.

It's funny how pussy can destroy your life.

 

Since you were arrested, the charge is going to be on your record regardless of if you pay the fine to remove the active warrant. A lawyer will be able to help you to expunge the charge but that will take 2-3 months, depending on the state (the process can vary by state, and some states it's difficult to expunge even minor misdemeanors). Unfortunately, nobody on this forum is going to be able to give you a good answer. You should be prepared to discuss the charge (worst case scenario), assuming it will be discovered on a background check. My advice is to be honest and to take responsibility.

However -- you should get a lawyer now to remove the active warrant, knowing that the arrest will still be on your record until the expungement process is completed.

 

My bank doesn't sponsor internationals. They made it clear to me.

My problem is not that - I don't need to be sponsored in a few months.

My problem is that I listed U.S permanent resident as my work authorization on my resume when I was interviewing and applying and I think they hired me based on that assumption..

Now I don't have a SSN basically until I get my work permit in march.

 

I should add - everything else on my resume is totally accurate (work experience and education and grades and can be verified), and I don't do drugs and have never been arrested before thus not a criminal and have good credit history, my only concern is not having ssn right now. I am very worried, I worked hard for this interview.

 

I would call HR and your hiring manager ASAP to let them know. Legally, you lied to them about your immigration status. Although you are married, you are legally not allowed to work in the US without proper documentation, work Visa or permanent residency. Better to get in front of it then have them start thinking otherwise before coming to you...

my 2 cents

 

As others have said, I don't see how you have any other option than to call them and explain the situation. Best case scenario, they make clear that your employment is contingent on you obtaining the work authorization by your start date (and they may withhold any signing/relocation until then). However, to be honest, there is a non-zero chance they will take back your offer for lying on your resume (in post financial crisis / high regulation world, banks tend to look for any flags on character...whether it's fair or not).

Hindsight's 20/20, but it will look like you are letting them know now since you got caught--it's not like you can make up a SSN. As I'm sure you've realized by now, you should have probably discussed this during the recruitment process to make sure it was ok (so you didn't potentially waste your time or theirs), but there isn't really much to do about it now.

In either scenario that plays out, calling HR sooner rather than later will be best--it will either put your mind at ease, or if they do pull your offer it will give you a chance to scramble to find something else. Good luck.

 

I remember when they called me giving me the offer - they told me that the offer is contingent on me passing my background check and drug test and present my work authorization on the first day of employment, I don't remember it exactly but I think that's what the HR told me.

 
AllDay_028:

Every one of these threads should just have an automatic "call HR, talk to them, be upfront, and you'll likely be fine" stickied to the top and then close the thread.

Seriously.

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Needadvicepls:

Should I call or email them??

Not sure what's the best means of communication here.

If I call - hi HR! This is XX, I was asked to input my social on the consent form but I don't have a social! Here is why - .....

Like this? I am not sure they will take it well.

If you have a pressing question or concern that needs to be carefully explained, do you call or email (hint, there is a correct answer here)?

Doesn't matter how they take it, you have to tell them regardless, so you need to get in front of it and talk them through it. Stop posting on here, there is no advice you are going to get that will be helpful other than "go talk to HR". Your offer could get rescinded, but that's a decision you made when you lied earlier. Most likely it won't if our explain everything up front. If you attempt to hide this from them, you'll definitely have your offer rescinded, though.

 

They already saw this thread and they decided you're a liar and not worthy of working there. I would expect to continue being ignored until you get a letter from HR in a couple days that says your offer has been rescinded. They probably already put you on the inter-bank recruiting blacklist (yes such a thing exist) so forget about getting an offer elsewhere. You are fucked

 

Dude, get it together. Also, put your conversation into e-mail. What is in writing cannot be lied about down the line. If you are going into a panic attack about not being able to handle the situation that you put yourself into, I would reconsider the industry you are joining. Looking forward to your future threads when your VP yells at you.

...
 

Another HR just reached out to me saying that they understand I will be able to provide with a social in a few months and asked me to update her once I get a social.

My question is - in my reply, should I just tell her I will do that as simple as that and leave it like that or attach all the supporting documents I currently have for my immigration case from both the immigration services and from my lawyer?

Thanks.

 

Thanks for the reassurance. This is for a regional office that I networked to get interviews so it would earlier. Most of my upcoming interviews are in December/January.

So in conclusion, would it be dumb of me to email the recruiter and mention that I didn't include my previous school on my resume? I feel like then the recruiter might forward the information to the whole team and they could decide altogether to rescind my offer.

What if I do accept the offer and let this play out without saying anything. I believe background checks are around April/May. If I do get my offer rescinded in May it will be way to late for me to get an internship at any reputable bank.

 

Just don't take a full class load. Talk to your registrar's office, most schools will only require you to maintain 'half-time' status to be considered a matriculated student. For instance, at my undergrad the average class was 4 credits, so the average semester was 16 credits. I took 5-6 a semester to carry 18 credits and graduate early, but that's irrelevant to this. If you carried a minimum of 8 credits, you were still considered a matriculated student and were eligible for OCR, student services, etc.

If you are encountering financial difficulty, minimize the cost of attendance any way you can: - take fewer classes - get a work-study position (now more doable given fewer classes in your schedule) - beg, borrow, beseech previous professors to give you TA positions that the school will pay you for (usually in the form of tuition deduction)

Failing that, get a loan. Do it through school if possible, because the Family PLUS, individual Stafford and Perkins loans will have lower interest rates than private loan providers. If you have to, go get one from whatever bank you or your parents have a savings/checking account with; they almost invariably offer an interest rate discount to existing customers.

It may not seem worth it, but trust me, you have such high future earnings potential from a career in this industry that it would be stupid to potentially risk it all by having your offer rescinded because you weren't willing, able, or resourceful enough to bootstrap your way through a self-induced extra semester at college.

Hope this is helpful.

I am permanently behind on PMs, it's not personal.
 

Forgive my ignorance, but I'm curious- if I'm not mistaken and am correct in assuming that you already have enough credits to graduate (as your post said), why not just graduate? Why would they rescind the offer if you graduated before you said you would and are able to start at the same time, if not earlier?

 

Talk to your advisor, definitely. I strongly doubt the Registrar will allow you to graduate effective May 2013 even if you could have. There's a SMALL chance you could have the graduation date be August 2013 (most colleges do this, to my knowledge). You ***might be able to graduate in December without taking any more classes, but what a waste of time.

Basically, just talk to your advisor. If you don't get an answer you like, whine some more, if that doesn't work, talk to the Dean of your college. While colleges would like everyone to think all the rules are set in stone and no exceptions can be made, this is rarely the case.

 
wharton2wallstreet4life:
From reading these threads it seems like a lot of people do that whole "slight inflation" gpa maneuver. However, it seems unlikely to me that HR will have either the time or inclination to even bother doing that much of a check on someone who is only going to be around for 2 months tops? Anybody know anything definitive about how this works for summers?

Are you kidding me? What do you think HR does besides this shit?

To the original dude, you are a liar, no matter how you phrase it, you lied on your resume. 3.22, in no circumstance, rounds to 3.3. Pray that they don't look at your transcript, because I have seen people not get FT offers because of shit like that.

 

I don't think you'll get an offer rescinded, but you could start off on the wrong foot.

If it was greater than or equal to 3.25 when you applied, you would be absolutely fine. If it wasn't, you could have some explaining to do. I think it was a stupid thing to do (for the marginal benefit, if any at all, you gained, you are now worried about losing your job; not what I would call an intelligent move), however you probably won't lost your job.

You just better hope HR doesn't decide to inform your group of what happened. Starting off with a lack of trust will be an easy way to end up in the bottome bonus bucket.

 

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Yea, however, they probably will not mind the slight difference if you can explain that it was an accident.

 

The GPA on your resume should be the GPA through your last semester/quarter completed. I believe rounding is OK e.g. 3.25 to 3.3.

Some online applications only allow GPA entry to one place. 3.24 = 3.2, 3.25 = 3.3. Some "unofficial transcripts" have a GPA calculation.

3.22 to 3.3 is definitely a major stretch. What companies will do, I don't know. If there is an "intent" to deceive it does not look good.

 

yeah renege it.

"I do not think that there is any other quality so essential to success of any kind as the quality of perseverance. It overcomes almost everything, even nature."
 

lol who gives a shit that your teacher thinks you suck at interviewing, as long as you get the offer from the bank, that just means the interviewers think you are good at interviewing. thats all that counts.

 

You will always have second thoughts and start questioning your decision. I wouldn't suggest stirring things up prior to your starting. You may be better off completing 1 year and then lateral to a new bank in the city of your choice. If you're lucky, your own bank may keep you and send you over.

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