Long-term goal = PM (any asset class, public markets).
This is the only input needed to differentiate between the two. This to me is the equivalent of saying you want to be a senior strategy consultant and then asking WSO what you should pick between William Blair and BCG.
It should be pretty damn simple, if you want to be a PM, go where the senior employees are PMs.
lasampdoria:
William Bair hands down. PIMCO is a sweatshop, but if you're willing to stick it out you will have a great name on your resume.
Las, buddy, you do realize you just said an asset management shop was a bigger sweatshop than an investment bank, right? There's no way this is the case. Sure, there are very different (possibly worse) stressors in AM, where one's performance is actually fucking quantifiable, but in terms of sheer hours worked, a sweatshop-y day at a mutual fund is like the greatest day ever in IB.
“Millionaires don't use astrology, billionaires do”
Also, particular concern is the reputation of the product group at PIMCO. Their other groups have a bit longer of a track-record (account, PM), but not so much information about this one.
I don't think the answer is so clear. It depends on what sort of position he is looking for in the long term. And I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Blair - it has a great name and is well respected on the street.
Appreciate all the comments (wish I had some silver bananas to hand out). Acknowledging the banking bias of this forum, could each of you elaborate a bit more on your answers? Again, I can understand the banking route, but looking to find more about to the pros/cons of the PIMCO position.
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those are.. two very different jobs. will you provide more information on the jobs, and what you're looking for?
William Bair hands down. PIMCO is a sweatshop, but if you're willing to stick it out you will have a great name on your resume.
But, if you want to be a PM down the road, you should obviously go to PIMCO.
So the answer is: Depends.
Different indeed. Can't link, but Google "pimco product management" to see the type of work.
Long-term goal = PM (any asset class, public markets). I understand the IB route, but not so much the latter.
This is the only input needed to differentiate between the two. This to me is the equivalent of saying you want to be a senior strategy consultant and then asking WSO what you should pick between William Blair and BCG.
It should be pretty damn simple, if you want to be a PM, go where the senior employees are PMs.
Las, buddy, you do realize you just said an asset management shop was a bigger sweatshop than an investment bank, right? There's no way this is the case. Sure, there are very different (possibly worse) stressors in AM, where one's performance is actually fucking quantifiable, but in terms of sheer hours worked, a sweatshop-y day at a mutual fund is like the greatest day ever in IB.
Also, particular concern is the reputation of the product group at PIMCO. Their other groups have a bit longer of a track-record (account, PM), but not so much information about this one.
Blair.
Don't mind me... just couldn't stand the thought of hearing Gross any more than I do.
I don't think the answer is so clear. It depends on what sort of position he is looking for in the long term. And I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Blair - it has a great name and is well respected on the street.
Blair for culture, Pimco for name. I've met people at Blair and they were really cool guys.
Lots of love for Blair on the forum recently. A little surprised but I guess nothing foster more goodwill than a hiring spree.
Appreciate all the comments (wish I had some silver bananas to hand out). Acknowledging the banking bias of this forum, could each of you elaborate a bit more on your answers? Again, I can understand the banking route, but looking to find more about to the pros/cons of the PIMCO position.
Sent you a PM psv
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