Wondering about MBA after getting offer from BB

Hi I just received an offer from a BB in NY and I was wondering if anyone can educate me on how the whole MBA thing works.

1) I'm sorta in middle/backish office (product control and compliance) and like everyone I want to work my way to front no matter what it takes. In order to do this, does one need an MBA at some point? The reason I ask is because I'll be taking my CFA level 1 in June and plan to finish all requirements and levels as early on in my career as possible. Can one replace the other or are either of them vital for FO.

2) When the hell does one even get the time to go for their MBA? How does that work for those that get their MBA after they get their job? Do they take a year off from work or something and are they just welcomed back or are night classes usually taken or maybe online classes? Not even sure how people would have the time for night classes either. How many years do they work before people go for their MBA?

3) Do the BB typically pay for the entire cost of a business school to get the MBA. And I hear working at a BB can get you into a ivy school or something like Havard business school. Is this true? Do those schools require you still have really high GMATS score whatever or are they more 'laxed since you work at such a top BB? And do you already need to be in front office to get the chance to go to an amazing biz school.

 
Best Response

1) CFA may or may not help you get to FO, depends on what kind of role you want (Asset Management, IB etc). MBA is a relatively easy way to get to IB from back office work.

2) Work for a few years then do an MBA full time is most common.

3) Business schools aren't going to be super impressed by back office BB work, because they are inundated by front office BB applications (and those aren't super impressive to them either). BB won't pay for your MBA.

 
notthehospitalER:

3) Business schools aren't going to be super impressed by back office BB work, because they are inundated by front office BB applications (and those aren't super impressive to them either).

I have to disagree with this, given our fellow simian @"OpsDude" being BB back office and now in a MBA business schools ">M7. care to comment braj?
 
thebrofessor:
notthehospitalER:

3) Business schools aren't going to be super impressed by back office BB work, because they are inundated by front office BB applications (and those aren't super impressive to them either).

I have to disagree with this, given our fellow simian @OpsDude being BB back office and now in a MBA business schools ">M7. care to comment braj?

I will say it's rare for BO/MO at MBA business schools ">M7, but not unheard of...I'm not the only one. To get in:

1) Try not to get stuck into BAU/repetitive work. Lead projects, show accomplishments, show growth. I led global projects, with a strategic edge (even if it was ops strategy). I had some cool stories to tell.

2) Get promoted quickly, get ranked highly, etc

3) Keep in mind, adcoms have a different internal schema of what a good job is than wallstreet. Accountants and traders are probably even more rare than BB ops for this reason, due to lack of transferable skills.

4) In addition to point 3, try to go for a top 3 BB ops. GS looks great on your resume from a bschool perspective, even if its ops.

5) Get a high GMAT. The higher the GMAT, the more the schools will excuse "silver" work experience


6) Even if you get into a school ranked 8-15 (which is more common), conversion rates are very high for IB, and you should have no problem getting in.

 

BB front office roles aren't impressive to MBA business schools ">M7 schools? That's a joke. I worked as an IB analyst for 2 years at a BB and was accepted to 2 of the 3 MBA business schools ">M7 schools I applied to. Nearly everyone of my friends with the same work experience achieved the same outcome applying to business school. I have seen so much unwarranted, negative feedback from anonymous posters on this website who say it is nearly impossible to gain acceptance to the MBA business schools ">M7 as a male in finance. Don't listen to these haters.

 

To clarify:

@masterg I never said BB FO roles aren't impressive, I said they aren't super impressive to MBA business schools ">M7 schools - I was directly responding to OP's question that asked whether MBA business schools ">M7 schools are more relaxed when considering BB FO experience. All my research has pointed to the fact that being FO at a BB for a couple of years alone will not get you in - you need more, whether that's work experience, extracurricular activities, standout projects etc. Never said BB FO work can't or won't get you in.

@the brofessor similarly, didn't mean BO can't get you in, but that BO work alone at a BB won't get you in because of the BB name. @OpsDude sounds like he agrees.

 

I have enquired about the same thing as someone who wants an MBA but also likely wants to stay in IB. Consensus is no, they never will, because they can promote you directly to associate without an MBA - so why would they pay for an MBA if the end result is the same (or better) for them (you moving to associate, and without leaving for an MBA doing it sooner)?

 

You can compensate for your lower GPA by obviously doing well on the GMAT (with a balanced q/v score) and maybe taking one or two business related courses at a local university and getting A's(not sure when you would have time to do that). A 3 year analyst stint combined with your organization involvement, decent GPA and a solid GMAT score would make you comp. for top schools.

 

So I'm guessing the term is used to refer to banks competing for the biggest deals? or is it simply people's perception of the largest full service i-banks? (post wall street armageddon) i.e: MS,GS,JPM,BOA/Merr,CS,Barlehs,Citi,Deutsche,UBS

Not that it really matters, but what is the distinction in that case between Global Debt issues versus M&A when it comes to this term?

 

Again, bulge bracket "technically" refers to the bank listed on the top of a prospectus. However, your list might all be referenced as bulge brackets. Basically, use this metric. Think of a bank. Is it a major boutique (lazard, moellis, etc)? Is it a smaller boutique? Is it a middle market bank (jefferies, etc)? If the answer to all those questions is no, you can probably refer to it as a bulge bracket.

 

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