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china
 

History to M7 MBA?

mhwong13's picture
mhwong13
     
 
(Chimp, 3
 
Points)
 on 6/16/13 at 9:28pm

Hello WSO

First time poster here.

Here's my story in a nutshell: I graduated from a top 10 public in 2009 with a decently high GPA (3.7) in history. LOL @ me, right? I know, I know.

Since I graduated in the worst job hiring market since at least the 1970s, I decided to defer the real world for 1 1/2 years and took the now cliche route of teaching English in China. The upshot of that experience is that I am now decently fluent in Chinese, and have the certification to back it up (if it matters, I'm white).

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Avoid Bogus CRCC China Internship Scam

Mango's picture
Mango
     
 
(Senior Chimp, 20
 
Points)
 on 6/11/13 at 8:06pm

Just google "CRCC scam warning" and you will understand why you should not pay these thieves a single dollar to travel overseas to work for free! Don't be taken in by the fake reviews, $50,000 web site, or self-generated press and shill testimonials. They will steal $3000 and a few months from your life and you'll have only one thing to show for it - a lesson learned the hard and expensive way. For starters go here...

http://chinafraudpatrol.blogspot.co.uk

http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/2013/05/23/ch...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AlIhL...

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Managing Management (With Chinese Characteristics)

NiuShi's picture
NiuShi
      PE
 
 
(Senior Baboon, 207
 
Points)
 on 6/6/13 at 12:30pm
boss

We all have disagreements or don't see eye to eye with our managers all the time. If this is happening to you, take a deep breath and settle in. This piece hopes to help you navigate these potentially treacherous waters a little more safely.

First, it's usually a good idea to get a second set of eyes on the situation. If you have a amentor or another person you trust within the firm or industry, present them with the situation, but perhaps without all the details. They might have valuable insights to share.

But if you're in need of further ideas, take a look here for the Top 5 things NOT TO DO, Top 5 things TO DO, and 5 key takeaways in regards to disagreeing with your boss on a business decision.

Top 5 things NOT TO DO when disagreeing with your boss:

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Safest Place To Find A China Investment Banking Job?

Mango's picture
Mango
     
 
(Senior Chimp, 20
 
Points)
 on 5/30/13 at 6:28am

Hong Kong or Shanghai? Which is better and why? I read so many horror stories about employment fraud. Any suggestions from someone who made the journey already?

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5 Quirks of Chinese Colleagues

NiuShi's picture
NiuShi
      PE
 
 
(Senior Baboon, 207
 
Points)
 on 5/22/13 at 7:00pm
Sleeping on Laptop

Every office has their winners, but here are just a few of the goofy things you might encounter while working with Chinese colleagues. Those with China experience, definitely sound off at the bottom here.

1) Now while I’m sure what I eat in the office gives my colleagues room for pause as well, there are a few things that should never happen. Probably number one on my list thus far is eating hot dogs on a stick and milk for breakfast.

A close second is eating spicy peppers on the hottest days of the summer, both so that they sweat to cool off and also so they breathe more heavily so their mouth cools down too. It’s all about balancing their Qi, I am told. Which brings me to number 2.

2) There is no need for a Qi or FengShui App on your smartphone to help you with your work. If you are following your Qi app that is telling you to drink chrysanthemum tea in the late morning because your inner temperature is too cool, I’m going to go ahead and argue that you’ve got a shedload more to study about this whole Qi thing before you call yourself an expert.

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Ask me anything… I'm a Private Equity Analyst in Shanghai

NiuShi's picture
NiuShi
      PE
 
 
(Senior Baboon, 207
 
Points)
 on 5/19/13 at 12:00pm
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I'm currently a Private Equity Analyst in Shanghai, China. Academically, I graduated from a target school majoring in Economics and Chinese. I also spent my time at college as the president of an on-campus student organization related to Finance and Economics and a volunteer for a local school program. I have always had a nose for digging deeply into matters that I can't grasp as first, and thus trying to make sense of financials and business strategies in China seemed like a perfect challenge after college.

After spending some time as an Analyst for a publicly-listed Chinese company, I networked my way to my current position through meeting a few members of the firm and eventually the stars aligned. At this point my role is mostly in portfolio company management and deal screening, but have strong exposure to the Directors and Investment Managers in the firm as well. I'm happy to speak about the daily life of a private equity analyst here in Shanghai, differences between PE in the U.S. and China, networking in China, and general topics related to finance in Asia.

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Emerging Markets Investment Guide

Kato's picture
Kato
     
 
(Baboon, 161
 
Points)
 on 5/2/13 at 6:27am
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Editor Note: This is meant to be a live and ongoing discussion and resource for anyone seriously considering investing abroad. Any questions whatsoever about living abroad, value investing, China, and cross-border private equity- shoot away.

Hi guys, I’m here today with a friend of mine, Dr. Jeff Towson. Dr. Towson currently runs the Towson Group, a boutique private equity group, and is also Professor of Investment at Peking University in China. Instead of working on Wall Street, he developed expertise in cross-border investing as head of Direct Investments for Prince Alwaleed of Saudi Arabia.

He has also published several books and articles on investing, the most recent being “What Would Ben Graham Do?”, an Amazon #1 best-selling book on emerging markets investing. He is currently writing another book on China with Jonathan Woetzel, of McKinsey’s Shanghai office. His writing can be found at www.jefftowson.com. In his own words:

Q1: I noticed Blackstone recently announced a $300 million scholarship for Tsinghua University and seems to have long-term ambitions win China. From your view, how well are foreign private equity firms doing in China?

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Goldman sachs gao hua in China

highhater's picture
highhater
      CO
 
(Baboon, 143
 
Points)
 on 4/6/13 at 8:21am

Can anyone provide info on how GS/Gao Hua has been performing in China this past year or so? What are their strengths?

I know most securities brokerages on the mainland make their money from cash equities retail commissions and that IPOs are dead but aside from that haven't been able to find much info on gao hua.

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The coming blood battle : China VS SK VS Japan

sanjose04's picture
sanjose04
      IB
 
(Orangutan, 336
 
Points)
 on 4/3/13 at 2:00pm
flag

Nobody really gave a lot attention between these three countries’ relationships that much, but I think the competitive landscape between these three countries can a have a big effect on the global economy in the future, which merits a closer examination.

Let me explain :

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LinkedIn Guy Who Seems Crazy

arbitrageur's picture
arbitrageur
     
 
(Chimp, 7
 
Points)
 on 3/13/13 at 12:10am

So I was just skimming LinkedIn and saw an article the UChicago page posted about the necessity of traditional college (posted 4 days ago, from The Atlantic).

There was a guy named Michael H. who posted a 19-comment long rant on it about how China is evil - it's hilarious, some excerpts:

"The Brave New World has been exposed as entirely preprogrammed by Chinese Doctors"

"Chinas Technology has the women as technoprogressives against their wil that are its concubines"

"iffeminate males get to do startups, EMH finance, and venture capital while I build countries"

"We have the list of the Professors involved and we know Chinas Technology alters all content. You may want to hide Eugene, your President"
(sic)

You get the point.

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America has nothing on Chinese Stimulus Plans

Addinator's picture
Addinator
      AM
 
 
(Senior Gorilla, 958
 
Points)
 on 3/4/13 at 9:45pm
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Just in case anyone was worrying about running out bonds to buy China looks to be gearing up for a massive push towards urbanization through a bond market reform.

I'll admit, I've long been critical of how the Chinese do things and certainly I'm dubious of the viability of this massive of an effort. There are major structural deficiencies in China and to think that local government are going to be able to foot the tab for much of this is a stretch. Last time I checked many localities in China were underwater anyway and they still have to deal with slowing growth and a lower class clamoring for wage reforms. Not that any of that is necessarily a deal breaker, but, certainly should be cause for concern.

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Chinese Gold Farmers

olafenizer's picture
olafenizer
      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,008
 
Points)
 on 2/19/13 at 6:30pm
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In case you missed it, there’s been an ongoing, sustained effort by the Chinese government to hack foreign governments, companies, newspapers-- basically anything or anyone with a computer. As usual, the Chinese government is trying to play coy in the face of a mountain of evidence. It really doesn’t surprise me though; it’s just another example of the country’s “why figure it out for ourselves when we can just steal it” mentality.

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The Fundamental Difference Between the US and China

olafenizer's picture
olafenizer
      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,008
 
Points)
 on 1/29/13 at 8:30pm
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In the comments from my post last week about differences between the US and China, a few people had expressed interest in what Chinese people see remarkable about our culture. I think the biggest thing that almost in a sense fascinates Chinese people about our culture is our spirit of individualism. China is, and has been, a collective culture for thousands of years.

This is also the biggest thing that divides our cultures.

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Appearance vs. Substance in China

olafenizer's picture
olafenizer
      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,008
 
Points)
 on 1/23/13 at 6:30pm
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Have you ever wondered if all the new stuff they’re doing in China is really everything it’s chalked up to be? It’s a perfectly legitimate question to ask, especially so because in China appearance is far more important than substance. This isn’t meant to be a value judgment, to say that this is good, or bad, or whatever. That’s just how it is here, and this is one of the major ways in which working in China is different than the west.

Every society in some way has the concept of ‘face’, but the Chinese take to a whole new level. There’s a whole art, almost a science to it. There’s a defined procedure as to how to exchange business cards (with two hands, among many other things) how to receive a gift (try to decline it at first, but once you accept it, don’t open it in front of the person who gave it to you), the list goes on. Doing things correctly allows you to ‘gain face’ and consequently you will see your social standing rise. Not following procedure will cause you to ‘lose face’ and your social standing falls.

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Killing Me Silently: Beijing's Smog

olafenizer's picture
olafenizer
      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,008
 
Points)
 on 1/15/13 at 6:45pm
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Working in an office in and of itself usually wouldn’t expose one to hazardous conditions. The city in which one lives could have its fair share of dangers though. Crime is a given; all big cities have their fair share of crime, but it’s usually isolated in certain neighborhoods. The truly awful smog in Beijing the past few days has made me to give a little more thought to the silent killer that is pollution.

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**

JacquelineWann's picture
JacquelineWann
     
 
(Chimp, 5
 
Points)
 on 1/11/13 at 11:48am
panda

Hi monkeys

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Your Thoughts on 2012

Asatar's picture
Asatar
      O
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,113
 
Points)
 on 12/27/12 at 10:00am
Your Thoughts on 2012

So 2012 is essentially over and it's been an interesting year by all accounts. I think it's been a fairly bad year, both geopolitically and in terms of finance (although for myself it's been quite good!). Some of my key moments of 2012:

  • LIBOR - Global hatred of bankers reached new highs this year with various scandals including money laundering, derivative mis-selling and of course, LIBOR manipulation
  • Heightened tensions in the Middle East - Iran, Israel, Palestine, Syria, all of these have been involved in conflicts of some sort and it seems like this will only escalate further in 2013
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China Is Headed for the Pits in 2013

olafenizer's picture
olafenizer
      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,008
 
Points)
 on 12/26/12 at 10:05am
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A few days ago, I gave Miss Cleo a call and got some ideas about a different perspective on my comments last week. Specifically she told me that I was painting too nice a picture and wasn’t being critical enough in my views. So without further ado, here are the same points told from a slightly different perspective.

More Outbound Investment / M&A

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3 Things to Watch for in China in 2013

olafenizer's picture
olafenizer
      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,008
 
Points)
 on 12/18/12 at 6:35pm
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Olaf has looked into his crystal ball and sees a bright future for China in 2013. Naturally there still are serious problems that pose an existential threat to the ruling party (property prices, bank capitalization, demographic trends, wealth gap, etc.), but my feeling is that these won’t come to the front burner quite yet. So without further ado, I present my predictions:

More Outbound Investment / M&A

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College senior, accepted to GSB, Wharton but denied 2+2. Should I accept and not look back or wait to apply to HBS in 2-5 years?

shiitakesurprise's picture
shiitakesurprise
     
 
(Senior Chimp, 22
 
Points)
 on 12/14/12 at 4:18am

I've read multiple assessments of HBS vs. GSB vs. Wharton across exit opportunities, school culture, brand, etc. Aiming for future in Asia, so increased brand name of HBS does come into play. Never experienced the west coast. Highly interested in VC and finance environment, but limited previous experience. Consulting-bound after college in MBB in US, though not likely for more than 5 years. Original long term plan was to facilitate growth for company in China, but have often been told, "don't close doors [to entrepreneurship, finance, options in US], you're just a college senior."

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Mining Company Trading At Negative EV?

Asatar's picture
Asatar
      O
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,113
 
Points)
 on 12/12/12 at 5:01am

Just some high level numbers but I'm looking at a small cap zinc mining company which operates mainly in China and has a 90% interest in another mining company with significant exploration rights in the area.

Currently they're trading with a market cap of roughly $80mm with less than $1mm of debt and over $90mm in cash. Total liabilities only come to about $23mm. Tangible NAV / share is $0.87 and their share price is closer to $0.5.

Cash burn rate is roughly $10mm per annum and this thing is a cash cow with massive net operating cash flow and fairly consistent operating expenses.

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The Magnificent Seven

olafenizer's picture
olafenizer
      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,008
 
Points)
 on 11/20/12 at 6:46pm
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Last week the Party wrapped up its 18th Congress and announced who gets to be part of the management team for the next five years. There were a lot of questions and what-ifs revolving around what exactly the outcome would be since the guys at the top are notoriously reclusive. In the end though there was only one real surprise: that Hu Jintao broke tradition and handed over control of the military immediately, rather than hanging on to the post for a few more years as his predecessors had done.

The world is applauding China for completing a relatively peaceful leadership transition. Aside from the whole Bo situation, mostly everything has gone according to plan. Even the new management is just as dry as the last bunch. But this is actually what causes concern for me, the fact that the new crop does not include the ‘reformers’ the country really needs.

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Foreign Takeovers by State-owned Enterprises

EnergyAlberta's picture
EnergyAlberta
      IB
 
(Baboon, 139
 
Points)
 on 10/29/12 at 8:00pm
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This past week, we saw the market impact of Investment Canada’s decision to initially reject PETRONAS’ (the Malaysian State-owned Enterprise) proposed takeover of Progress Energy Resources, a Canadian oil and gas company. In order to approve a takeover of a Canadian company, Investment Canada requires sufficient evidence of a ‘net benefit’ to Canada.

While this net benefit test is, at the moment, quite vague, the broader issue is the takeover of Canadian companies by SOEs with an even higher profile case in that of CNOOC/Nexen. Of course, this issue is not directly relevant to the U.S., but what are your thoughts on takeovers by SOEs in general? Should they be treated like any other corporation – ExxonMobil for example? And for my fellow Canucks out there, what are your thoughts on selling our resources to SOEs?

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I Love You Like A Love Song, Baby

olafenizer's picture
olafenizer
      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,008
 
Points)
 on 10/9/12 at 6:30pm
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Shortly before the beginning of the weeklong holiday to celebrate the founding of the PRC, former golden boy Bo Xilai was officially expelled from the Communist Party and formally charged with a variety of crimes, one of which was that he "maintained inappropriate sexual relationships with many women". While a public allegation such as this is likely to ruin any politician’s career, it’s a little bit different in China…

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Any funds hire ugrads in China (Beijing/Shanghai/Hong Kong)?

mmzzcc's picture
mmzzcc
     
 
(Chimp, 2
 
Points)
 on 10/4/12 at 12:43am

I know KKR recruiting in BJ, any other opportunities for ugrads?

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As a buy side research associate/analyst in China/HK, do I ever have any exit opportunities back in the U.S.?

tkaelle's picture
tkaelle
     
 
(Chimp, 7
 
Points)
 on 10/3/12 at 9:25pm

I'll be starting as a junior on the research team of a large U.S. AM firm based in China. I'll be working both on companies listed in China, and also Chinese companies listed abroad - mainly in HK and the U.S.

Will I ever have the chance to transition back to the states also in an AM/HF research role? If so, would it only be with specialized emerging markets funds? If it makes a difference, I invest in U.S. equities in my personal portfolio, but I obviously won't be touching those in my work.

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Chinese Sausage Fest

olafenizer's picture
olafenizer
      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,008
 
Points)
 on 10/2/12 at 6:30pm
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I’m not talking about the last time I went out to a night club in Beijing (although there may actually be some correlation). This is about the demographic challenge hitting China that is only going to get worse in the future. The proportion of the working-age population is beginning to decline, and will continue to do so, with major implications for the country’s economy.

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Big Things Happening in China Next Month

olafenizer's picture
olafenizer
      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,008
 
Points)
 on 9/25/12 at 10:00pm
da hizzouse

If there was ever a time to pivot your attention to China, it is now. Major events are going to be happening over the next few weeks. We got kind of a head start this year with the Bo Xilai soap opera, but things are going to come to a head next month. And you should be following it because it’s what happens in China is going to influence the world much more than the presidential election.

The trial of Bo Xilai

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why chinese student feel so piss off when we are comparing india and china

Zalachenko's picture
Zalachenko
      O
 
(Monkey, 58
 
Points)
 on 9/25/12 at 5:58pm

im going to china next year so im interesting in chinese culture and stuff , i have found that chinese students in my uni are very upset about the comparison between china and india .
I was talking to a chinese student about india and china and he was so angry with it because he said india and china are not comparable and seems like chinese
dislike indian a lot , everytime i mention the word"chindia" chinese student would be very unpleasent with it , why? is there any issue between chinese and indian?
(i think it is because china is well developed than india and chinese are kind of proud of china they are very patriotic )

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Does india have a higher standard of living than china?

Zalachenko's picture
Zalachenko
      O
 
(Monkey, 58
 
Points)
 on 9/25/12 at 2:50pm

Does india has higher quality of life than china ?
They are both fast developing countries, but which offers a better life?
China has 5 times more GDP than india...but india is democrat country, thoughts?

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After over one year in the making, the <strong><a href="http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/2013-wso-compensation-report-full">2013 WSO Compensation Report</a></strong> is here! Access to the FULL 108 page 2013 WSO Compensation Report is <strong>100%...
2013 WSO Compensation Report has Arrived
Where do i even start..I learned so much from this forum. The brutally honest opinions, sincere willingness to help, the technical information and random tips on everything has been absolutely crucial for me landing this offer. Coming from a non-target I didnt get that 3rd year SA position at...
Thank you WSO! Got my FT Offer! ADVICE NEEDED
When I first started as a PE analyst, I constantly struggled with judging the amount of time I should spend on reviewing sourced deals. How much time is enough to really get a handle on the company’s revenue streams? How granular do I need my analysis to be on industry threats? With this...
Misguided Efforts: A Cautionary Tale
Fellow Primates, We are looking for 1-2 students on each campus to help WSO in its sales efforts to student clubs/career centers, and overall promotion at your school both online and on the ground. Below is a description of the position and benefits...thanks in advance for your help! <a...
WSO is Looking for Campus Reps For Summer/Fall 2013 (and beyond)
Any Asset Management people here who could give me some insights on it, such as the nature of the work, the pay, the hours, the potential for career advancement, ect? I was looking into IB before but I've decided that I would rather pursue a career that's more intellectually...
Asset Management a better choice than Investment Banking?
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If you could be the richest person in the world with your dream job only as a public virgin forever would you do it?
Many of the questions that have come in surround recruiting for front office Wall Street careers from a non-target so we’ll start with some ideas for recruiting, move on to interviewing, preparing for the job and finally long-term career management advice. Before we begin, it has been...
Stand Out as a Non-Target: Recruiting (Part 1 of 4)
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